02 Jun 2018 11:32:32
Ok guys let me try reach your insane standards.

Hypothetically say ottawa is in full rebuild mode this year.

Ott : Hoffman, Ceci, chlapic, and gaborik

Ari : 5th overall

Hoffman plus chlapic should be enough to get the 5th and adding Ceci should be enough to convince the yotes to take on gabby contract as well.

Then,

Ott : 5th overall, 22nd overall, and Ryan

Mon : 3rd overall, and pacioretty (don't resign)

Patches and Ryan have been linked to trades for each other all along, Montreal still gets a top 5 pick which they can use on tkachuck but adds a mid rounder as well with the 22nd.

Then,

Ott : karlsson, Smith, and Paul

Bug.

1.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:10:48
BRO. Please. Understand something.

Hoffman is worth a pick about 10-15. he's not anything that special. he's a goal scoring wingman, hardly any defensive prowess, and plays on the most easily replacable position in hockey.

Ceci is maybe worth a second. he hasn't shown anything and just came off a terrible capaign, and has been regressing over the past few years. If he gets traded, he gets slightly more than Nathan Beaulieu did when MTL traded him.

Chlapik is a decent prospect, but if anything, makes up for Gabroiks contract, if that. Probably not tbh.

And there's a big difference between 5&10. there's a select top5-6, and then the talent level drops, and its assumed Boqvist will be at 5, so he is certainly worth more than that package.

If a trade was to happen for the 5th, it would prolly be:

ARZ: 5th Overall, Jason Demers, 3rd ROund Pick
OTT: Mike Hoffman, Logan Brown, 25th Overall.

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And that Montreal trade is awful, the difference between the 3rd overall and 5th overall is about a 2nd, so basicallu, a little less value than the 25th. however, with Ryan thrown in on top it kinda balances out. but with Patches in it too? HARd, hard pass from MTL.

2.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 21:40:16
This is really bad hoffman abd some craps so like 15 milliom in salary.

3.) 03 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 22:44:28
Chalk up another L for Rambone.

4.) 03 Jun 2018
03 Jun 2018 04:31:47
First off I didn't think it was going to post this which is why I posted the other 1.

Secondly top shelf slapper get real bud Hoffman scores 60 points annually playing with top 6 guys sure but none of those guys he plays with outside karlsson are considered elite and can play both wings and center. that's hardly as easily replaceable as you think it is and is also why I keep saying you under value sens players. if he had a legit stat like Tavares on his line he's a point a game easy thus making him worth a top 5 to 10 pick at the very least whether you agree or not!


And Ceci is coming off a pretty good personal season when you look at all the variables like playing with five or 6 different partners in 2nd half and carrying a pilon named Phaneuf for last 3 years, he's actually gotten better and still only 23 to 24 years of age with time yet to improve more. if we could have gotten hall straight up for him 4 years ago then yeah maybe his value goes down just a little bit but as far as a 2nd rounder? Not a chance! Mid to late 1st tops!

No way on earth is the 5th worth Hoffman brown and a 22nd not 25th. Hoffman is a stud and brown will be a stud maybe even better than Hoffman. even Dorian goofball trades so far look good in comparison to that and some of those were atrocious at best.

Patches contract and Ida status next year and Ryan's contract cancel each other out as Montreal needs scoring Ryan provides that. Montreal also has cap space to add him for the 3 to 4 years he's got left. on top of that patches and Ryan rumors on real sites in straight up deals have been circulating so it's not far from reason. and for the last time what 25th are you talking about? The trade in question is not with Toronto involving the 25th it's with ottawa and involves the 22nd.

5.) 03 Jun 2018
03 Jun 2018 11:37:14
Hurr Durr you guys undervalue muh senators Bobby Ryan so valuable derp.

6.) 03 Jun 2018
03 Jun 2018 12:37:31
I'll be the first to tell you I overrate my players but boy this is bad. Let's start with the Montreal trade because I believe that's the worst one because it's so simple yet you don't see it. let's break it up. I'll give you Pacioretty for the 22nd pick. Montreal would probably want more but let's pretend it's even at the deadline so he doesn't even have a year left. You're left with the 5th overall pick and Ryan for the 3rs overall pick. Ryan has negative value dude. He's a cap dump. He's one of the most overpaid players in the NHL.

You have to give up assets just to get rid of him. He doesn't close the gap between the 5th and 3rd pick, he widens it. Ottawa adds big time. As for the Arizona trade. Gaborik is another player who is severely overpaid. But let's live in some fantasy world for 2 seconds where Ceci actually cancels out Gaborik (he doesn't) . You actually think Hoffman is worth anything close to the 5th overall pick? Do you not realize how much that pick is worth? Hoffman is a 60 point scorer. As a Flyers fan the first comparable that comes to mind is Brayden Schenn.

You know what he got? A late first round pick and another first round pick (which was projected to be in the mid 20s) to take on Lehtera's contract. Due to age and contrast status, Schenn was probably worth more than Hoffman. Hoffman isn't worth a top 10 pick. Out of all the players you mentioned his biggest comparable is Pacioretty. Do you think Pacioretty is worth a top 10 pick? I don't. You bash Pacioretty for having one year left, Hoffman has 2.

That isn't much more. The fact that you compared Pacioretty to Ryan is laughable. Pacioretty is a 30-40 goal scorer making 4.5 (? ) million. Ryan is a 3rd/ 4th liner making 7.5 (? ) million. Pacioretty has positive value, Ryan has negative value. And Ceci? Worth a mid to late first? Hahahaha. Most Ottawa fans want to get rid of this guy for peanuts. Only time he was worth a first was back in 2012 lmao.

7.) 05 Jun 2018
04 Jun 2018 21:48:08
You're ignorance on trade values is unbelievable Flyers. I'll say it again, you're unfailing sens players emensly.

Ill explain ok. the Taylor hall trade happened in 2015 for adam larsen. before that trade became officiall a trade was worked out hall for ceci straight up that edmonton went to new jersey instead so they wouldn't have to wait for eugenes approval. that approval wait had no effect on cecis value. in the 3 years since Ceci has become a better player than he was that years thus his trade value doesn't drop anywhere near a 2nd rounder or later.

And schenn when he was in Philly was nowhere near Hoffman's value. Hoffman puts up 60 points a year playing with guys like turris sometimes stone who's usually on the other line and Ryan and he can play center too. scheme put up 50 point a year up to that point playing with the likes of voracek Simmonds couturier Giroux and Hartwell in his prime 3 of which are usually in the top 50 in the league points wise and 2 who are or were as good as stone and turris. so yeah Hoffman is definately worth top 5 to 10 on his own no doubt about it.

As for patches value vs Ryan's value you're crazy if you actually believe there is a difference there. patches is coming of his worst season yet and is in his contract year where he will certainly expect a raise. on top of that his numbers this year are identical to Ryan's, difference being that Ryan played with over 10 different liberated while patches played with the group of 2 or 3 guys he used to playing with. on top of all that locker room history affects trade value too and while Ryan is a great guy behind the scenes, patches has history in locker room that's not that great. just ask subban.

I'm still not seeing the negative value in Ryan as the guy does put up top 6 point totals and is NOT a 3rd liner. he's over party by 2 million tops but he's far from the only one. if he has negative value because of an extra 2 million dollars then that means guys like Jonathan toews, anze kopitar, and Ryan johansen etc are all negative value as well seeing as how their point totals don't match their contracts and I think we all know that's not the case at all so why single out Ryan for that kind of garbage and not mention them?

Ryan and patches value are not only equal but they also have been rumored to be traded straight up for each other on much more credible sites than this one.