14 Aug 2018 13:56:12
Detroit Trades
Nyquist

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Joshua (Big-10)
2nd Round Pick 2019
6th Round Pick 2020

Red Wings are in some Cap issues and with more of a rebuild underway and Nyquist to become a UFA after this Season this makes sense for them, plus Leivo will be a regular in the NHL finally which he deserves.
The Leafs add to there Top 6 and Babcock knows Nyquist well from his Detroit Coaching days, it also sets up another Trade to get a Defenceman with either Connor Brown or Kapanen plus there 2019 1st Round Pick being the center pieces.
Ok this post isn't a Panarin Trade Proposal and really does make sense for both Teams.

Thoughts ?


1.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 14:16:27
I think you need help.


2.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 14:56:38
For this return, I think Detroit is better off just letting him walk at the end of the year.


3.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 15:20:29
Similar to the Skinner Trade everyone and Detroit has to get the Cap Space down, to say #memarcusjoe that the Wings would rather Nyquist walk than get that in return tells me you are only looking at this Season for Detroit who won't make the Playoffs with or without Nyquist and Detroit doesn't care about the future or the Salary Cap rules.
I do believe on here people see it's a Pinball Post so of course it's slammed.


4.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 15:46:11
Actually Pinball, it's just that if you want a team to trade with you, you need to give them an incentive. You've offered two players with a low percentage chance of becoming 4th liners in the NHL. Along with 2 picks that have an even lower chance of making it to the NHL at all. So, why would they trade him? They can likely get at least that return and probably more at the deadline from a contending team and they've been able to use him for half a season.


5.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 17:55:58
mwmarcusjoe Nyquist was a 4th Round Pick so to say a 2nd Round Pick isn't worth anything makes no sense, the only reason Leivo isn't a regular is because the Leafs forwards are to deep and he has scored in every league he has ever Played in he just needs to play, Nyquist is a UFA and not as good as Skinner is and Carolina got less, so I see a trade even though you see Nyquist as more than what he is.


6.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 18:05:06
yeah no thanks,

You want nyquist start think rental price 1st and b prospect. Possible retention for a better prospect. Easy 20 goals and 30 assists. COuld produce more with a better team.


7.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 18:12:32
Pinball, exactly as Redwing1 says. The Wings will get more trading him at the deadline. They have no obligation to do the Leafs a favour and take a lowball offer just because you want them to. No matter how much you try to rationalize it.


8.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 18:19:07
Ok #redwing1

Nyquist for Leivo, Joshua, 1st Round Pick 2019.

Is that enough?

I would do that if I where Dubas also.


9.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 19:11:57
Few things to consider:

1. Skinner may be the more productive player over Nyquist but also is way more injury prone which lowered his value. Nyquist is healthier and could use a change of scenery.

2. Detroit has been under Babcock's coaching for so long that many players are tired of him. I think even Nyquist can attest to this, so him wanting to go to Toronto based on familiarity may only be one sided. You would have better luck with Glenndenning instead.

3.With Zetterberg's likely injury, he will go on LTIR. So we don't need cap space immediately. We can get it easily by deadline trading these players. There is not a big rush.

4. If we trade Nyquist as a rental, we will still have enough room to maximize his value. We obviously won't get what Tatar got but we could still get a 2nd, 3rd and ok prospect. Maybe even more with retention.

5. @Pinball, your last deal still only gives us a first of value and two useless players. I think we could get better elsewhere if that's TOs best offer.


10.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 19:18:33
Again the Wings are over the Cap by almost 4 million, they have to shed salary before preseason not at the deadline mwmarcusjoe.
Salary Cap rules are in place and Detroit is over the Cap.


11.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 20:00:58
Skinner is injury prone #Datsyuk_Fan13?
Skinner in 4yrs has missed 8 games Nyquist 6 games only 2 more games than Nyquist, so before you post know your facts, Skinner is a better player than Nyquist again that's a fact, also what Carolina got for Skinner is still less than my proposal, Carolina set the bar for 50 point wingers going into there last year before being a UFA and weather it's the Leafs or another Team what I proposed is about right. Again that's fact.


12.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 20:43:02
@Pinball

I was referring to Skinner having had multiple concussions in his history. He is finally starting to show signs of recovery.

Concussion issues even in the past still hurt trade value.

If h gets another one, then those many games played the last 4 years you mentioned are pointless.

I agree Skinner is the better player but doesn’t mean everyone else will sell for that low.

Also the Canes took this deal because they didn’t want to risk lowering his value, an injury or poor production would have hurt it.


13.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 20:46:05
I’ll just say this. There is absolutely no way Nyquist should get what Skinner got. I think a 2nd for Nyquist is more then fair but even just giving a 7th is redundant from a Toronto POV where would he even play?

A team like Columbus will probably acquire him for a 2nd or a 3rd + a prospect. Teams are starting to become reluctant to trade 1sts and no one will give an Unconditional 1st.

I feel like just the username it’s self is leading to hate.


14.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 20:50:22
Also in regards to cap space, I am pretty sure LTiR will end up covering most of this.

If not then we will make a trade and get the return we like, so far I’m not loving the Leafs proposal you mentioned so don’t count on the leafs getting Nyquist.

P. s I looked up and found a fact that the last trade between Wings and Leafs was March 24, 1998


Not expecting another one anytime soon.


15.) 14 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 21:23:45
I just don't think the Skinner trade set a bar (TBH I don't think there is ever a bar ) . Mostly because when there is a good player to get and there is no NTC then a biding war happens ya it might not get super high. IK we all think our GM is stupid at times but they also look to what they think is best for the team. For all we know Skinner could have been sold low due to them just wanting to trade him and his NMC affected some of those trades.


16.) 15 Aug 2018
14 Aug 2018 23:14:31
That's true ctc and also the prospect they got back could have been higher on there radar then most people think he is.


17.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 05:36:06
Nyquist isn’t really anything special tho no team will start a bidding war.


18.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 17:27:01
Why is there an argument about nyquist on here.
after the leafs detroit is my second favourite team, nyquist really isn't that great highest points in season was 54, 4 years ago. he has had 40, 48, 43, 54, 48 over his past 5 years in the league. He is not worth a 1st as a bunch of guys on here are saying (could he get a return with one, honestly I wouldn't be surprised. i won't overestimate nhl gms)

on the the return, a 2nd + 3rd/ 4th probably gets him. With Lievo he easily makes the red wings top 9 (without nyquist) would you take any of glendenning/ bertuzzi/ frk over him? i sure as hell wouldnt. he doesn't fit on the leafs forwards core because they have at least 12 fwrds better than him.

I'd love for Det to get a 1st for nyquist but i'm not sur eit will happen. also why does nyquist fit on the leafs? the only forwards I take nyquist over are brown, ennis, lindholm who will most likely be tor's 4th line. (for what its worth nyquist is probably better than kapanen/ johnsson right now but i take that youth and upside over him our top 9)

Wow I just wasted my time on Gustav Nyquist. i swear he better get the wings a 1st now.


19.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 20:44:28
Skinner had his injuries earlier but they weren’t missing tons of time. And over his last 5 seasons, he has 140g while missing a total of 18 games. An argument of Nyquists durability over skinner does not hold water lol.


20.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 21:59:22
Big Z, well said. You’re dead on. Only guys he could beat out are guys we expect to put up his type of pts (45-55) down the road and they’re dirt cheap right now and need the experience. Extremely counter productive.


21.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 22:34:39
We don't need more offence.


22.) 15 Aug 2018
15 Aug 2018 23:07:29
Big Z is right 100%.


23.) 16 Aug 2018
16 Aug 2018 21:14:37
That is what everyone is saying. But for some reason every leaf trade proposed has been for a fwd and they don't need that and we all see it and disagree because of that fact not value wise.