26 Sep 2018 23:38:59
Three way trade option:

WPG to TOR: Trouba
TOR to CGY: Nylander
CGY to WPG: Hanifin

Thoughts?

1.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 02:29:57
No from Winnipeg. We're better off keeping Trouba for our playoff run this year and looking into moving him next year if we have to.

2.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 04:41:36
Calgary just acquired Hanafin why would they trade him?

3.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 13:48:32
I know, right Joe? Why would Winnipeg want to trade Trouba for a younger, better defenceman signed for less money and for long-term with no doubts about wanting out of Canada who is not consistently plagued by injuries and plays on the left hand side where Winnipeg has considerably less depth? It's like they don't know anything about hockey! They are such homers!

4.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 14:51:10
The only problem with that, is that Trouba is much better than Hanafin and is RHD as opposed to the easier to find LHD.

5.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 15:07:52
unsportsmanlike
Trouba will bring a better return at the draft. I can't see Calgary trading Hanafin this soon. Also if Trouba is so poor and injury pron why would the Leafs want him as he will want an 8 year $7+ mil contract in a year?

6.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 16:01:48
Won't happen. but one if the better 3 way trade proposals I've seen.

7.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 16:43:47
Who said leafs want Trouba lol.

8.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 16:47:45
Maybe in your comically biased opinion, he is. Hey Cody Ceci shoots right. You should totally trade Morrissey for him since he shoots left.

9.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 18:20:11
Well you are proving you don't watch the Jets or really know anything about the players. Suggesting that the sheltered second pairing defenseman Hanafin is better than a top pairing defenseman is just outright homerism.

No matter, the Leafs aren't getting Trouba, give it up.

10.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 18:45:08
I would want Trouba on the leafs, with a long term contract so we never have to talk to him and his agent. On ice only, I’ll take Trouba.

But Marcus, much like me saying I would take Colin Miller back as the main piece in a Nylander trade - miller is cheaper, locked up for more years and in a position (RHD) we need far more than a RW. That is all worth something. That’s not saying straight talent they are equal players. But hanifin at even 80% the player, younger, with a $4.9mill cap hit for 6 seasons, and plays the position jets were actually looking for in return for Trouba makes a ton of sense. Troubas a good Dman that thinks he’s worth far more than he is. He isn’t a god. Realize that.

11.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 18:54:15
I rarely miss a game, as a matter of fact. Being retired and having NHL Centre Ice affords me the luxury of watching more hockey in a week than you probably do in a season. This "top pairing defenceman" you speak of was sheltered far more than Hanifin has been throughout his career playing behind Buff and even occasionally Myers. Only recently has he had that honour bestowed upon him.

Hanifin is the more valuable player and unwillingess to trade Trouba for him straight up illustrates your bias which has already been well-documented on this site.

And I could care less about the Leafs getting Trouba--I'm not a fan. The team I cheered for as a kid isn't even in the show anymore.

12.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 19:49:42
Jim, I understand the points you're making and they are valid. What I'm saying is that your point about taking Trouba on ice is the main one. Being a contender the Jets can't afford to take a drop off to Hanafin this year. Yes, contract negotiations with him have been a pain in the rear, but since he's signed now, there is no reason to downgrade this year. Next summer we'll see.

Unsportsmanlike, you mean Trouba was sheltered by having to drag around Mark Stuart, the worst player in the NHL, as a rookie and still putting up good numbers? Anyways, who cares about 3 or 4 years ago. Trouba is undoubtedly better now, which is what matters now. Your well documented bias against Trouba is showing, when you can't admit you are flat out wrong about who is better.

13.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 19:57:29
Who did you cheer for unsportsmanlike? Hartford, Quebec?

14.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 20:06:56
Unsportsmanlike you hit that right on the dot 👍🏻 Trouba is good but I still don’t understand how he’s viewed as a top 10 dman in the world lol doesn’t even make sense and he’s barely been top pairing throughout his career on Winnipeg lol he’s a good top 4, not quite top pairing especially behind buff.

15.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 21:56:36
Mark Stuart, the worst player in the NHL would be a worth gold if he was still in the jets star studded line up. Let’s just say Trouba goes to the leafs Joe, is he still the super human defenseman you make him out to be?

16.) 27 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 22:29:25
I’ve always thought Trouba would be a good fit in Toronto. Same age as Rielly, opposite hand and plays a little more physical. Seems like a perfect long term pair to me. That being said, they would our top pair on a balanced D-core. We would have a solid 4 because we wouldn't have any studs. Rielly is our #1 D, but he’s not your typical #1 Dman the way Weber, Kieth, Doughty Karlsson etc is. And same as Trouba. He would be #1 here, but almost by default. He’s not viewed as an actual #1 Dman anywhere outside Winnipeg. And to be honest, not even in Winnipeg by management because if they felt he was a legit #1 RHD at 24 years old, they’d be happy to pay him his $7.5mill for 8 he wanted.

17.) 28 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 23:24:38
Leafs17, that actually would be funny if Trouba ended up in Toronto. In Leaf fan's eyes Trouba would immediately go from a run of the mill second pairing defenseman to an instant tie for the best defenseman in the league (tied with Rielly of course) and a generational talent to boot, giving the Leafs a total of 23 generational talents.

Where in Winnipeg we just value Trouba for what he actually is. A young, top pairing RHD that matches up against the toughest competition every night and consistently wins those matchups.

18.) 28 Sep 2018
27 Sep 2018 23:31:45
But getting back to the original post. The Jets wouldn't make the trade because they are giving up the most valuable piece and taking back a lesser piece without being compensated for it. There, plain and simple, without calling any of the players in the OP bad players.

Next summer it could be different, but there is no reason forthe Jets to make this trade now.

19.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 02:51:22
aight let's just not trade for any more jets players. they don't want to improve, they don't need rentals, they're too good, but are also too good to need to add young oieces. They don't nee to trade UFAs like Myers but also don't need rentals like Duchene at the expense of logan stanley.

in all seriousness tho, i'd 100% take hanifin than trouba as a leaf fan. better defensively, better all round player imo, better contract, younger. i don't know, troubas a good dman, but his asks are insane, and he's worse defensively imo.

even tho trouba is a rhd while hanifin is a lhd, i'd take hanifin. and i'd take hanifin or nylander. but hanifin>>>trouba.

20.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 03:11:12
Sure Joe, you can believe whatever you want. You a flat earther as well?

I choose to exist in reality. Where Hanifin is a 21 year old all-star defenseman (another accolaide that Trouba has yet to achieve, but to be fair, the all star game is after New Years and Trouba is usually hurt by November) that is younger, cheaper and under long term contract compared to your over-rated buddy Trouba. Sorry to trigger you with facts about who is more valuable. I'll let you get back to delusional island with NBR and Pinball.

21.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 05:42:06
Topshelf, that is fine, if you prefer the inferior player, more power to you.

Unsportsmanlike, lol, you're actually trying to use all star selections as a player valuation. I thought you said you watch hockey. You can't with that kind of reasoning. Hilarious. Again, if you prefer the worse player, that's great, because neither of you are getting Trouba!

22.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 11:14:41
trouba for marner + nylander + kapanen + rielly.

book it.

23.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 11:20:30
Sure -- career accolaides like all-star selections, fantasy rankings, dynasty lists -- you know, things that are grounded in reality empirically vs. you just saying Trouba is more valuable because it doesn't hurt your feelings.

24.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 14:57:32
Unsportsmanlike, you should have pulled out the big guns and looked into their plus minus ratings. I mean if you're going to judge on stupid things based on things like each team HAVING to have an all star selection or fantasy (grounded in reality, lol), then go really silly.

I prefer things like advanced stats, you know, things ACTUALLY based on reality and on hockey.

Sorry reality doesn't line up with your homeristic views.

25.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 15:40:37
Tell these Jets homers Hedman is better than Trouba and they'll disagre.

26.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 15:49:36
if your going by advanced statistics, why do you call Gardiner barely a top6 dman? lol, not advanced stats, just call urself a homer.

27.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 17:14:14
Came up with a simple four-step get rich quick scheme:

1. Join marcus's fantasy league
2. Draft Winnipeg players
3. Take advantage of his blatant homerism and trade said Winnipeg players for much better players (you can scroll through the archives on this site and pick a few dandies like Trouba and a first for Karlsson or Morrissey for Hanifin; there's plenty to choose from) .
4. Win pool and profit.

28.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 17:20:49
Yeah, look up advanced stats on Jake Gardiner. You said he couldn’t crack jets roster lol

Relative shot attempt metrics he’s 2nd in the NHL among defensemen over the past 3 seasons, relative goals against (takes a little more of the quality of scoring chances given up), he’s 9th. While putting up 31, 43 and 52 points over that span lol so you’re an advanced stats guy, but Gardiner couldn’t play top 6 in Winnipeg and Trouba is a #1 Dman?! Lol you’re a joke.

29.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 18:30:56
Well if we're making stuff up now, it is much easier to argue points. I have NEVER said Gardiner couldn't crack the top six. He's a second pair offensive defenseman, nothing wrong with that.

I HAVE actually said the Jets don't NEED Gardiner and wouldn't want to downgrade from Trouba to Gardiner.

But you guys continue to made stuff up so you can feel better about being blind homers. Lol 😆.

30.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 18:36:18
It's really funny how you Leaf homers can read and understand advanced stats for Gardiner, but can't read our understand them when it comes to Trouba.

I'm still waiting, for months actually, for you to provide any. ACTUAL evidence that Trouba is a bottom pairing defenseman as you contend. Why haven't you provided that? Oh yeah, because there isn't any.

Leaf homers lol.

31.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 18:38:24
Unsportsmanlike, you're funny. No connection to reality at all.

32.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 19:05:35
no one said trouba isn't a good dman.

everyone said trouba isn't god.

trouba is good, but youve consistently said gardiner isn't good. like genuinely ‘second pair, garbage d who won't xrack the jets’.

trouba is a good dman. he isn't worth a younger, extended LHD of himself w less offence. and neither is gardiner. Lol. stop tryingb to say cery trade involvibg the jets is bad. that's all we ask. cause they aren't all that bad.

33.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 19:36:41
Topshelf, again you still have to make stuff up to try and make yourself feel better about your blind homerism. I have NEVER called Gardiner a garbage D. Instead, unlike most on this site, I call him what he is, a second pair defenseman, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't make him bad just because the Jets don't need him.

All I ask, is that you realise that trades don't take place in a vacuum. Just because the value looks good, doesn't mean the team should make the trade. Especially, when the offered player doesn't fill a need.

Whether you think Hanafin has more value because of his contract is irrelevant. The Jets are contending and downgrading, skill wise, from a player they need to one they don't, makes them worse.

Make an offer that helps the Jets and you may get some takers. Unfortunately, that is hard to do, because as much as you hate to admit it, the Jets are pretty damn good and don't have a glaring weakness they need to address like some teams.

34.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 19:47:16
Yeah. had to have this difficult chat with Rambo a while back about being disconnected from reality.

When you have fans of all different teams on this site calling you out for being biased, it might be time to take a good, long look in the mirror. These aren't voices in your head; this is not some conspiracy trying to undervalue Jets players on this site. This is about your long history of stating that trades that are lopsided in the Jets favour or at least fair as not being good enough.

But hey, if living in your alternate reality helps protect your fragile mental ecosystem, have at it.

35.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 21:03:28
memarcusjoe
You are wasting you time trying to reason with some of these hockey experts. Unlike the some of these posters your trying to reason with you look at a trade proposal from a point of view that includes how it affects the Jets not only in the present but future. If that makes you a homer then so be it. Better to be a homer than a no nothing. We'll have to wait for the next trade rumor to hopefully have a real hockey conversation.

36.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 21:07:25
Hanifin is is no way better defensively than Trouba. Ask Canes fans. When they saw the trade they all said Hanifin had upside but was a tire fire in his own end.

Trouba doesn't have the offensive upside as your typically #1 dman and makes some bad passes but he is elite defensively.

37.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 21:31:59
Unsportsmanlike, so, now your argument is "well, all the other Leaf homers agree with me, so I must be right" lol. That and "well, anything and anyone that doesn't use actual player abilities, agrees with me", so again I'm right.

38.) 28 Sep 2018
28 Sep 2018 22:33:00
Pointing out that you have displayed the tendencies of a homer consistently on this site is not an argument, and illuminating that fans of the Leafs, Oilers (everyone on this site really) have also chronciled your bias is not proof of an argument any more than you could consider a group of people agreeing that water is wet as proof of the fact that water is indeed wet.

You do you man. Keep living that dream. Let me know if you want to but some land in Antarctica. Incredible investment opportunity.

39.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 02:26:54
I have said all along I would take Trouba for sure. Never said he was a bad or a 3rd pairing guy. But you did say Jake Gardiner couldn’t crack jets roster lol

However, I just read over those replies and really got a laugh out of leafs fans being called ‘no nothings’ hahaha. The irony of that insult jumped out and screamed at me lol it’s like calling someone an idiot while misspelling idiot!

In all seriousness tho, Gardiner is better than Trouba in Defensive advances stats and puts up far more offense. So how Trouba is a ‘#1 Dman’ and Gardiner is ‘2nd pair offensive man, nothing more’ is astounding.

40.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 04:52:25
I would suggest then, since Gardiner is a super star, that you hold onto him, quit trying to pawn him off on unsuspecting teams and quit begging for Trouba. The Leafs really shouldn't need Trouba with all this defensive elite talent.

Since you're now relying on making stuff up, please point me to the post where someone said Gardiner wouldn't crack the Jets lineup. I know you can't, because it hasn't been said.

But I know as a Leafs homer facts, although interesting, have no bearing on your arguments.

41.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 06:12:54
Again, I’ve never said Gardiner is a superstar lol he’s a good top 4 Dman. I’ve never said Trouba is bad. He’s a good top 4 Dman. Would be top pair on Toronto. But don’t talk about not using facts.

Fact - you said you rely on advanced stats for your assessments. Correct?

Fact - over the past 3 seasons Gardiner is a top 10 Dman in Defensive catagories of advanced stats.

Fact - Trouba is not.

Fact - CF% of 55+ is considered ‘elite’

Fact - Gardiner career CF% 53.6. Gardiners playoff cf% (including his awful -5 in game 7 which I’m sure you will bring up) is 53.3.

Fact - troubas Career CF% is 48.1, playoffs 47.3.

Fact - over the same 3 years Gardiner has 126pts in 243gp (.52ppg)

Fact - Trouba has 78pts in 196gp (.40ppg) over the same span.

Fact - Gardiners a +7 CF relative player and in only his rookie season was he ever a negative CF at -0.01% while Trouba Is a -4 CF% relative to teammates over his career and never been in the positives for a single season.

Fact - Trouba has more D-zone starts than Gardiner.

Fact - I’m going to bed.

42.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 11:36:06
Jim gardiner stats are better cause he doesn't kill penalties and is not used as a shutdown dman like trouba. Trouba is better defensively no matter what way you spin the stats. Gardiner is better on offence although he does get more and better quality powerplay minutes which helps a little. I like gardiner and have said it several times on here but both guys on same contract I take trouba every time so would just about everyone.

43.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 14:18:07
@Habby

Nah, nah, we all know that Gardiner isn't good defensively. Leaf fans do, most people do.

But, if we're solely using 'advanced stats' as Marcus claims, then Gardiner is far superior.

For that reason, you simply can't use advanced stats.
For that reason, Marcus should admit he's a homer. He claims to be going off of advanced stats ONLY [FACTS FACTS FACTS! ], when really, Gardiner is a far superior advanced stat dman than Trouba.

44.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 16:54:05
Spin it all you want but Gardner is a defensive liability that the Leafs will have the pleasure of re-signing for $7 mil next year. He's part 6 in the Leafs venture into big time cap problems.

45.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 16:57:48
All I did was point out that a guy who says advanced stats is everything, and says Trouba is far better than Gardiner can’t have it both ways. advanced Stats say quite the opposite. An eye test say Trouba is a lot better defensively, than Gardiner. Gardiner far better offensively than Trouba.

So if you consider both offense and Defense, and also consider both the eye test of actually watching them play and advanced stats, both players are good top 4 Dmen like I said all along. But one is not a superstar and one poor lol just not reality.

46.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 17:05:43
And when there was talk of a Gardiner for Myers swap, these same jets fans said no way because Gardiners numbers are inflated by the PP. want another fact?

Jake Gardiner had 15 of his 52 pts on the PP last season

Tyler Myers had 17 of his 36 pts on the PP

Both played all 82 games.

So Marcus shouldn’t be talking about using facts and dumb arguments.

47.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 18:12:37
Unbiased Jim
Stats don't show how many times Gardners defensive liabilities have hurt the Leafs when they needed him the most, and not only during game 7. He's a 28 year old pending UFA that will want $7 mil per year who makes the same mistakes now that an 18 year old rookie makes. But consider how pathetically weak the Leafs defense is I guess he is their good d-man.

48.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 18:18:09
Yeah leave the advanced stats to guys like james tanner and let him make a fool of himself by using them.

49.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 19:17:57
I’m not usually a big advanced stats guy at all. Marcus is the one who said use them lol then they show complete opposite of what he said they would, so now don’t use them? Haha figure it out guys, come on.

50.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 19:19:01
If you are going to use advanced stats to try and prove a point, you need to use ones that keep the playing field level.

So, if you go by 5 on 5 points over the last two years Trouba is ranked 9th for defenseman in the NHL. So, on a level playing field Trouba, who according to Leafs homers, has no offence, is far ahead of both "Leafs offensive juggernaut" defenseman Reilly and Gardiner.

Then if you look at what is generally accepted as the best advanced stat for rating the defensive ability of defenseman, xG, Trouba is again near elite at the top of the pack while Reilly and Gardiner lag far behind.

When you level the playing field and don't cherry pick stats here and there, but instead look at the whole picture, Trouba is superior to both Gardiner and Reilly offensively and defensively.

You can't have it both ways. So, Jim and Slappers shouldn't be making dumb arguments with cherry picked stats, unless they are prepared to admit they are wrong, especially on the offensive abilities of Trouba and Gardiner.

51.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 20:54:57
I guess we’ll see how things play out. Somehow the leafs with their “pathetic” defense are still rated above the jets in Vegas odds. I guess someone must think the leafs forwards, goalies and coaching staff are FAR superior than the jets.

52.) 29 Sep 2018
29 Sep 2018 21:05:13
This is not the first time we’ve heard Joe say that the leafs are “begging” for Trouba. I thought you’d be smart enough to understand the circumstances, I was wrong. There is not a ton of young, RH defenseman available. Being that Trouba is the 3rd best defenseman in the league after Byfuglien and Myers, he should be playing a bigger role. This is why you hear Trouba’s name in trade proposals.

53.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 02:18:51
Lol good read! From a neutral (Canucks fan) I'll take Trouba over Hannifin.

54.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 02:51:09
Another hilarious post by a Leafs homer, Vegas odds. Lol. Who cares about Vegas odds. The games are played on the ice and last season the Jets finished far ahead of the Leafs, even though the Leafs played in probably the easiest division in the NHL and the Jets played in the toughest.

Then in the playoffs, despite the Leafs getting their preferred matchup and having a relatively easy route, the Leafs still ended up as first round fodder. While the Jets made it all the way to the conference finals, despite having the toughest route.

I know it is hard on Leafs fans that the Jets have accomplished more in less than 10 years than the Leafs have in over 50.

The smart money is on the Leafs being first round road kill once again and the Jets advancing far past that.

55.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 03:56:12
Although, Leafs17, I do appreciate a Leafs homer finally coming out and admitting that the reason they are always begging for Trouba, is that he's a damn good defenseman and young to boot. Something that every team in the league wants and the exact reason the Jets won't trade him for a downgrade.

See it wasn't so hard to admit that!

56.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 06:48:46
Must be leaf homers that posts the Vegas odds. I’m not thinking the leafs are winning the cup but you seem to have planned the parade for the jets.

57.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 06:56:46
I do understand that the game is played on the ice, however, I do believe that the people that make the odds are smarter than ”memarcusjoe”. Someone gets paid to pick the odds, someone doesn’t.

58.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 18:03:09
I love how I wrote, “ there is not a ton of young, RH defenseman available” and Joe turns it into me thinking every team in the league wants him. What a tool.

59.) 30 Sep 2018
30 Sep 2018 18:23:26
That is always the mark of someone who doesn't have facts or knowledge to back up their statements. Start calling names like a six year old. Lol.

No matter how much you beg. You still can't have Trouba!

Another huge fail for a Leafs homer.

60.) 01 Oct 2018
01 Oct 2018 04:17:06
Trouba is greedy and selfish and injury prone, he wants full time pay to work only part time hours. Nylander is greedy and selfish and soft like a marshmallow. He wants to be paid like a superstar, when all he really is only lucky to be the 4th wheel (or is that 5th wheel if we include Marleau) on Leafs monster truck of a team.

I would love to dump Nylander for RHD, but not for Trouba. I’d be wanting someone who is a little more team oriented and not willing to hold team hostage during contract negotiations. Let’s face it, if you think negotiations with Nylander haven’t been going so well, just imagine negotiating with Trouba next year.

Both Nylander and Trouba can take their play somewhere else that wants to overpay them. Both are very good players, yes, but their actions off the ice seem to indicate a “me first” philosophy and sets a bad example to their teammates. Jets are in very similar situation as Leafs right now, and if they overpay Trouba, it could lead to a devestaring cascade effect where everyone on the team coming up for renewal will be pushing for more money or holding out. Stop the bleeding at the source. Cut out the cancer before it consumes the rest of the team.

61.) 01 Oct 2018
01 Oct 2018 05:26:22
LeafsGM says it pretty dead on. And MemarcusJoe, what has Winnipeg acomplished in 10 years that leafs haven’t in 50? Lol they haven’t won the cup. They went to one west final. Leafs went to a west final too lol and a cpl east finals. I don’t get it.

62.) 01 Oct 2018
01 Oct 2018 05:34:51
Jets made the playoffs once since returning to Winnipeg before this season. They were swept in the 1st round. This year made the conference final and lost in 5. Where is the team success for the ‘last 10 years’ that other teams are supposed to envy?! Lol jets have a good team, I like their roster and their chances, but rubbing in the last 10 years as a success is a joke. Last 10 months?! Sure, You’ve got something there lol.