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29 Jun 2014 02:27:24
The "Press" seems to think Florida turn down some great offers for the #1 pick. I would love to know what the Leafs, Flyers, Canucks, Oilers, Etc were offering?
Any ideas, let's discuss.

Cheeks27

1.) From what I've heard it was the 6th and 24th pick and Shinkaruk from the Nucks, B. Schenn, Lecavier and their 1st but the Panthers wanted Simmonds, and apparently the panthers were trying to get JVR + from the leafs and they easily declined


 

 

09 Jun 2014 18:08:36
As Leafs fans we must be prepare for not much in the trade scene. What we have is not what other teams want or at least won't give Leafs fair value. The players Leafs want to move won't bring back enough talent. Maybe draft picks.

Cheeks27

1.) Not true we have a few players with good value that could be moved


2.) Unfortunately the players with good value Leaf want to keep. Phaneuf will be under valued as will Kadri. Leafs will have to over pay to move these players. Probably better to keep them. I hear JVR name mentioned and I want no part of that.


3.) ^ To suggest that Toronto won't trade anyone bc no other team wants what Toronto has is more than a little offside.

With this said, any trades will be more focused on cutting salary. Gleason, Clarkson, Lupul and to a lesser extent Phaneuf would likely all be moved if it were possible. Clarkson would be extremely tough to move (Toronto would have to move him as part of package with a player with big upside). Same with Gleason to a lesser extent, though I think Toronto could move him to a team that needs D help. Lupul has value, but I doubt Toronto would get back another top six forward, so does it even make sense to move him?

IMO Phaneuf has a lot of trade value, but to the right team. And it's highly unlikely that Toronto will get back a D-man in that trade (or at least one that can contribute at a level close to what Phaneuf does), so in that respect it's a tough trade to make.


4.) Phanuef has trade value if you retain a lot of salary. At $7mil, his value is limited. But he won't be traded anyway.


5.) What I tried to say was that any players Leaf will want to Trade have major issues (Huge Salary & Cap hit, Long contract Etc. )
Clarkson is unmovable but he may find himself in Toronto, No one will take that chance.
I think anyone interested in Phaneuf will want Leafs to retain or won't give value as he has Baggage!
What is Gleason really worth?Not Much!
Lupul, injury prone and won't bring much back, so keep him.
I don't think trading the kids is the answer.

So leafs may make trades but they won't appear to win many of them.

Your thoughts?


6.) ^ I think the likelihood of trading any of those listed players is unlikely (even of the conditions were perfect) bc trades aren't all that common. The only point I was making was that those players could be traded but in very specific circumstances


 

 

25 May 2014 18:25:56
Let's assume we did not sign Phaneuf to his large contract. Then he could have walked away with the Leafs getting NOTHING. That being said, what ever we get for him could be considered a Bonus.
So if Leafs really want to move him and free up $7 Mil. , per season to sign a more useful player or players all Leafs have to do is find someone to take him and accept the best offer.
This is a real way to "Change the Culture" of this team and seems to me to be relatively painless.

Note: If anyone is concerned about getting nothing or almost nothing for him. Leafs are getting 7,000,000 LARGE back in their Budget!!

Cheeks27

1.) He won't be traded because no one wants that contract. If he somehow actually got moved, leafs would have to retain some salary so they wouldn't be getting that $7mil back in the budget as you say. It was a dumb signing.


2.) Agreed!


3.) IMO Phaneuf at the time was worth the $7MM. He has to take on a lot of roles. Top D-man, Captain, Enforcer, Physical play, PK, PP. He may be a little too expensive but not really that bad considering everything. (SBR 2017)


4.) Was not dumb if he went to open market he woulda got more then 7


5.) Phaneuf is reluctantly played on the pp I think. He's big an physical and can be a decent defensive guy but I think that for the pp franson gardiner and reily are the defenders I'd be lookin at for the point.


6.) I think 7 Million might not seem to bad after this summers round of free agents.


7.) ^ Phaneuf doesn't reluctantly play on the PP. He was scoring 50% of his points on the PP when he was in Calgary. IMO that's where he can excel.

The issue with Dion is that he cannot be the the best D-man on the ice on any team, at a minimum he needs a strong defensive partner.


 

 

 

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18 Nov 2014 20:43:59
To get Malkin you would have to rip the team apart. Then all you have is Malkin and what's left. Don't even go there. Look for smaller pieces.

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Sorry Draisait_ , I thought you meant to add the 2 of 3 to the original proposal of Bozak, Gardiner Lupul and a 1st.
My bad.

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To Draisaitl_94;
I THINK you know hockey but your HATRED for the Leafs is distorting your thinking. Your above statement is just plain ridiculous. Please rethink your comments and respond.

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01 Nov 2014 20:19:32
No way is Schenn worth more than Gardiner. Typical down play of the Leaf talent by Draisaitl_94. It looks to me like a fairly even trade. Two young talents trying to find themselves.
I would make this trade, the second one who cares.

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You have to remember Leafs would be releaving Carolina of a huge contract. No 1st rounders required. Kadri, Gardner, and a 2nd is plenty.

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TO ALL OF THE ABOVE:
Phaneuf has his faults but he will be very hard to replace and his 7 Mil will appear very ordinary as time goes by. The leafs had a complete breakdown from the Coach to the smallest player but Dion seem to take the majority of the blame.
I don't love Phaneuf but he has become the whipping boy for Leaf Fans most of whom know little to nothing about Hockey.
Firstly how do you replace his minutes. He needs his minutes reduced so he not a lame duck out there.
I believe he should never have been made captain, especially with his track record. What's done is done but maybe with Shanahans help Leafs can make the Phaneuf experience work.

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Who is really WORTH their contract.
1. Have an old contract and are underpaid.
2. Have an old contract and are not worth it.
3. Sign a new contract that seems to over pay them.

Phaneuf was worth the deal when it was done. I feel history will show it was not a bad deal. The way the season ended has coloured every ones thinking.

All that said if Leafs can make a deal that benefits the Team and helps change the "CULTURE" it should be done. Getting Phaneuf out of the Spot Light would be good for him and Florida might be the right place.

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I love all these predictions except I don't think we need to take back Jovenoski the rest is enough.
Phaneuf has been so much degraded I think his best spot may be to stay in Toronto.

Go Leafs Go!

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Trade Phaneuf for a any 1st and a 2nd or what ever it takes.
Free up $ 7 mil/per and we need a 2nd.
This is "Cultural Change"
Use Phanuef's $ 7 Mil for 2 defencemen, and play the kids.
Carlyle's signing was a mistake, but that may be solved by mid-season.

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What I tried to say was that any players Leaf will want to Trade have major issues (Huge Salary & Cap hit, Long contract Etc. )
Clarkson is unmovable but he may find himself in Toronto, No one will take that chance.
I think anyone interested in Phaneuf will want Leafs to retain or won't give value as he has Baggage!
What is Gleason really worth?Not Much!
Lupul, injury prone and won't bring much back, so keep him.
I don't think trading the kids is the answer.

So leafs may make trades but they won't appear to win many of them.

Your thoughts?

Cheeks27