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11 Feb 2015 01:31:10
TOR: F Joffery Lupul, F Mike Santorelli
NYR: F Carl Haeglin OR F Chris Kreider
Just a theory I've been tossing around. Rangers get Santorelli, a guy who they've been wanting and Lupul, an injury-prone winger, but also a heart-and-soul guy who can put up goals. Toronto picks up a younger winger who could help the Leafs rebuild, partially. Let me know what you think.
1.) This is a very easy no from new york.
2.) 11 Feb 2015 05:53:54
Lupul heart and soul????
seriously. apparently one of the most self centered guys out there
3.) @predsfan Don't know where you got that from, been one of the only Leafs to play with heart. Also one of the classier Leafs as well.
4.) Lupul is negative value he has a horrible contract and is always injered no team will take him unless it's a bad contract swap
09 Jun 2014 22:24:27
TOR: C Nazem Kadri
CHI: D Brent Seabrook
Toronto gets a top 2 d-man to play with Phaneuf, while Chicago saves a bunch of cap and get their 2nd line centre (winger once Teravainen makes the team).
TOR: D Cody Franson
TB: '14 2nd round pick
TB gets a RHD to play w/ Hedman, and makes up for probably losing Salo, Brewer and Öhlund to retirement. Franson no longer had a spot in TO, so this saves some cap.
TOR: G James Reimer
WIN: '14 3rd round pick
Reimer's a local boy who has a great chance to become the starter there. He wasnt beating Bernier, so this is Reimer's redemption.
TOR: D Tim Gleason
Any team: 4th round pick/low level prospect
Cap dump.
Draft Ehlers/Nylander/Ritchie (in that order) at 8th and either Siebenaler/Thomas/Moran w/ Tampa's 2nd.
Let Bolland, Kulemin and Ranger walk, but RESIGN Raymond. he's worth it.
Sign Stastny and Greiss
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Stastny-Gardiner
Raymond-Holland-Clarkson
D'Amigo-McClement-Bodie
Ext: Smith, Leivo, McLaren
Seabrook-Phaneuf
Gunnarsson-Rielly
Granberg-Brennan
Bernier
Greiss
*Some people will object to Gardiner playing forward. This past season and probably the next one, the Leafs will be lacking a consistent 2nd line player. Gardiner has all the necessary offensive skills to be a productive 2nd line player. Given his past as a d-man however, he does have the defensive tools as well. I think playing w/ Lupul and Stastny could help Gardiner's transition to forward. *
**Also, the third defensive pairing may look weak, but both have proven beyond a doubt they deserve some NHL time. Just in case however, they should add a veteran depth D-man**
1.) Bro. in no world does Kadri get you Seabrook, Leafs have to add significantly.
As you pointed out, he's a top 2 dmen.
Use 1% of your brain and detect, that a #2 defensemen is worth WAY MORE than a #2-#3 center.
No way CHI would consider this swap if TOR doesn't add
TB is in need for a good defender, not an offensive dmen and mediocre defender in Franson
If Halak got a 4th, Reimer will get a 4th or 5th, not a 3rd
2.) How can you think that Kadri is a 2nd-3rd line centre? He's a good 2nd with potential to be a 1st line. Chicago's cap is getting tighter and tighter. Toronto is taking on that cap hit and giving Chicago just what they wanted: a young solid 2nd line centre. If I'd edit this, it might look like:
TOR: Kadri, Finn, 3rd 2015
CHI: Seabrook
Franson is not a 'mediocre' d-man, he's a young offensive-minded d-man with room to improve. Tampas already got defensive minded players in Aulie, Sustr, and Gudas, so adding Franson for only a 2nd is a good deal.
Halak's been bounced between 3 teams this last season and was a backup for most of it. Reimer had an off season after leading the Leafs into the playoffs. Reimer's also an RFA, while Halak is a UFA. Therefore, Reimer for a 3rd is perfectly plausible.
3.) To leafs: Seabrook and 1st 2014
To hawks: Kadri and 1st 2014
Makes more sense! Swap 1st rd pick
To leafs: Gudbranson
To panthers: Gardiner and rights for Bolland
Let Kulemin, Ranger, Orr walk
Sign Komarov, Statsny and Raymond
Trade Franson to Wings or lightning
Trade Reimer to jets or flames
Jvr, Statsny, Kessel
Lupul, Bozak, Clarkson
Komarov, Holland, D'amigo
Bodie, McClement, Ashton
McKegg, Leivo, Smith extra forward!
Phanuef, Seabrook
Rielly, Gudbranson
Gleason, Gunnerson
Brennan, Granberg, Finn extra Defenceman
Bernier
McIntyre
4.) Hey Draisaitl_94, I love how all you do is bash pretty much every post on this page unless it has anything to do with your team. I especially love how you extrremely criticize and bash Toronto trades specifically. If you seem to think you know who is worth what and the value of other teams players, why don't you try and post some trades for yourself and your team, or even post a trade that you believe is fair for another team! Toss you biasism to the side when you do though and check your emotions at the door cause I gaurentee you would be bashed just as hard for your stupid posts as you comment on things!
5.) I really like the franson deal, but the other deals probably won't work
6.) Rather keep Gardiner, he's got untapped potential just waiting to burst. Not a bad idea with the Hawks-Leafs trade, although I'd prefer to keep the first. Also completely forgot about Komarov, I'd like to see him come back.
7.) Also, don't care who we sign, but JVR-Bozak-Kessel has got to stay together, it worked wonders this season. Clarkson wouldn't be playing 2nd line. Instead put in Raymond, who you forgot. Shift everyone down a line (RW) from there, (71-3rd, D'Amigo-4th) and voila.
8.) If you want a top 2 Dman.
How about Kadri and Gardiner to Chicago for Seabrook, high prospect, and a 5th rounder ummmm. WHY? You have Gardiner why you need Seabrook to be with Phaneuf. Think of keeping your Dman together and get better forwards to help ones that are currently good on your team.
9.) Very good post goforthewin
10.) Halak was UFA and Reimers an RFA at Draisaitl 94. I bet you Reimer gets a 2nd just like what other unproven goalie with upside got like Bishop, Bobrovsky, Bernier and Lindback (didn't pan out) heck even Retto Berra got a 2nd
11.) Thanks Beleaf. Figured I'd go for simple trades as opposed to the half roster for Weber/Kopitar/Malkin trades. In my opinion they're all close to fair value and address needs for both teams.
*Side Note* Another very common thing on this site is people have players valued based on personal opinions, instead of observations - i. e. 'Phaneuf is a 3/4 d-man, he's worthless'. No. He plays against top lines and gets blamed for a team collapse. Although his contract isn't the best, he's still a top 2 D and NHL teams know that. His value is more than people credit him with. Its just sad to see.
12.) There is absolutely no way Kadri will get you Seabrook. If you look at the Blackhawks roster and there contracts you'll notice that they will be tight and up against the cap next year. However they get a massive cap relief the following year ($29 million). Financially they will be fine fitting under the cap. Even if they weren't and they won't just give away a player like Seabrook away. Not even for your modified deal of Kadri, Finn and a draft pick. If Chicago management have internally decided that they plan on moving Seabrook to free up some cap they will be getting a hell of a lot better offers than that.
13.) Draisatl 94 is spot on though
14.) I like you GoForTheWin. You aren't stupid like most people on this sight. And you (unknowingly) agree with me that Gardiner would make an incredible forward! Great post. Hopefully you can teach Nonis a few things. Or get back Burke. Either one.
15.) Lol, I think I'm not too far off since I got more Believables than Unbelievables.
And as I said numerous times, I did post a number of trades, most of them for my team, but also a few for others and most of the time I did not get bashed.
I don't say everyone always agreed, but some said Team A loses, some said Team B loses which shows that a trade can't be that bad, if its not even clear who loses it.
But in this case, it is clear.
Sorry, but Kadri is not a potential first line centre. If he would be, Toronto wouldn't trade him, because they desperately need a #1 center.
Only thing I said is, TOR needs to add.
TB does need a GOOD defensive dmen, Aulie, Gudas and Sustr are either not good YET or will never be elite.
Tampa does not need an offensive minded defensemen in Franson, which is the reason I think this trade doesn't adress TBs need.
Dont get too excited about Reimers value, just because he is a hero in TOR because he once brought them in the playoffs, lol.
Btw, I don't bash I just say what I think and obviously, more often than not, the trades Leafs fans suggest are terribly one-sided.
Your's wasnt terribly one-sided but overvalueing the leafs IMO.
16.) Kadri is a 2-3 center who will max out as a 2. Especially on a team with toews. he's solid but not worth seabrook alone. that's like saying ryler johnson is worth seabrook he just isn't sorry to burst your bubble. he's not even top center on a team people complain needs a top end center. As for franson he's offence oriented which Tampa has an abundance of they need a stay at home type d man or their d won't improve much. Franson is also not a top min d man even on a weak Toronto d. he's barely top four on a competing team. He would only get bigger minutes in tampa because brewer and gudas have both showed they will tire out playing more than third line minutes. I wouldn't want franson on my top line. I can reimer getting a third but itd be. a 1a/1b situation with pavelic reimer wasnt great this year and struggled at the world championships. Gleason could likely get you that late pick or low prospect to the right team.
06 Jun 2014 00:22:24
EDM: C Sam Gagner
CHI: D Nick Leddy
BOS: LW Brad Marchand
ARI: D Keith Yandle
TOR: D Dion Phaneuf (15% retained), 2014 1st, Rights to C Dave Bolland, 2014 3rd
FLA: 2014 1st, D Dmitri Kulikov
BUF: D Tyler Myers
EDM: RW Nail Yakupov
1.) Yandle>>>marchand
2.) Phoenix is going to be in need of top 6 forwards with guys like Vrbata and Doan leaving, which means Marchand's value is worth more to them. Phoenix has a defensive logjam, and moving Yandle to make room for guys like Gormely could be an option for them. If anything Boston adds a low level prospect.
3.) Dion with salary retained and our first is worth fla kulikov and their first
4.) I also just realized a reason why kulikov doesn't wanna play with fla anymore is because there's no russians on the team and he wants to play with more russians. Leafs don't have any russians I don't think cause kuli is probably gone
5.) Wings might be a good option for Kulikov. Then Wings can sign Nikitin so Kulikov can have a Russian Partner.
So Datsyuk can be fed by Kulikov and Nikitin.
6.) Almost all Russians get homesick now. 1st trade maybe, it certainly helps EDM does it help DET? NFW on the second trade BOS would kill for that move. 3rd, does not seem to be enough for the 1st overall AND Kukikov. 4th, sure why not, two lost souls searching for the promised land and it fills the needs of both teams EDM defense and offense for BUF. 2 DEALS! 2 NO DEALS! (SBR 2017)
7.) MY bad, Leddy plays for CHI! DUH!
26 May 2014 00:58:29
TOR: D Dion Phaneuf (10% retained), 2nd Round Pick (2015), D Andrew MacWilliam
EDM: 1st Round Pick (2014)
TOR: C Fredérik Gauthier, 1st Round Pick (2014, TOR), Rights to C Dave Bolland, D Matt Finn
FLO: 1st Round Pick (2014)
TOR: G James Reimer
WPG/CAL: Conditional 4th Round Pick (2015, becomes a third if Reimer starts 25+ games)
Draft Ekblad 1st
Draft Draisaitl/Reinhart/Bennett 3rd (in that order, depending on whos taken 2nd)
Roster Needs:
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-?
Raymond-Holland-Clarkson
D'Amigo-McClement-?
Franson-Gardiner
Gunnarson-Rielly
Granberg-Gleason
Bernier
MacIntyre
*Im not saying this will happen, i'd just like it to happen theoretically. I think Ekblad will replace Phaneuf, just not this year. Phaneufs value is a lot higher than most 'armchair GM's' believe, he took the blame for an entire teams collapse. EDM also get a tough-as-nails defensive prospect in MacWilliam, + a 2nd in a deep draft. FLO already has their top 2 centres in Barkov and Hubeardeau, so Gauthier is their perfect 3rd defensive centre of the future. They only move down 7 slots, get the rights for Bolland (who has ties with Tallon) and a prospect D-man in Finn, whos captain of the OHL Champs and possible Memorial Cup winner Guelph Storm. *
Id appreciate replies, positive or negative. Thanks
1.) If you do not believe this will happen why do you post it when a million others already post something nearly the same? no chance that a team can trade for 2 picks in the top 3. This site is full of dreamers and not people who like realistic proposals I guess
2.) Dream on!
3.) Burke did it in Vancouver. (Sedins)
12 May 2014 02:22:18
VAN: D Alexander Edler
TB: RW Brett Connolly
Why VAN does this: Vancouver is probably heading towards a rebuild, so dealing some of the veteran players isn't out of the question. They shed some salary cap in Edler and get back a hometown boy and former 6th overall pick in Connolly, who has the potential to be a future first line sniper.
Why TB does this: Connolly won't get many more chances to crack their lineup, as guys like Palat, Johnson and Kucherov have already passed him. Getting a player like Edler would help stabalize their back-end. The Swedish connection between him and Edler also wouldn't hurt.
1.) I do like the idea of trading Edler to Tampa and I think he would waive his NTL to go there but Edler straight up for Connolly is not good enough maybe Purcell + Connolly makes more sense. Fairly even cap hit too.
2.) Tampa wants a right handed d. And a good d. Not elder. Connolly or purcell for edler should be enough don't get greedy he's a bottom pair player.
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08 Jun 2014 04:08:58
2014 Mock Draft
1: FLA - D Aaron Ekblad
2: BUF - F Sam Bennett
3: EDM - F Sam Reinhart
4: CAL - F Leon Draisaitl
5: NYI - F Michael Dal Colle
6: VAN - F William Nylander
7: CAR - F Nick Ritchie
8: TOR - F Nikolaj Ehlers
9: WIN - F Brendan Perlini
10: ANA - F Kasperi Kapanen
11: NSH - F Jake Virtanen
12: ARI - F Ivan Barbashev
13: WAS - F Jared McCann
14: DAL - D Haydn Fleury
15: DET: - D Julius Honka
16: CBJ: - F Kevin Fiala
17: PHI: - F Sonny Milano
18: MIN: - G Thatcher Demko
19: TB: - F Alex Tuch
20: SJ: - F Dylan Larkin
21: STL: - F Jakub Vrana
22: PIT: - F Nikita Scherbak
23: COL: - F Brendan Lemieux
24: ANA: - F Robby Fabbri
25: BOS: - D Travis Sanheim
26: MTL: - F David Pastrnak
27: CHI: - F Josh Ho-Sang
28: TBL: - D Roland McKeown
29: LA: - D Jack Dougherty
30: NJD: - F Nikolai Goldobin
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31: BUF: - F Nick Schmaltz
32: FLA: - F Adrian Kempe
33: STL: - F Connor Bleackley
34: CAL: - D Anthony Deangelo
35: NYI: - D Jack Glover
36: VAN: - D Marcus Pettersson
37: CAR: - F Brett Pollock
38: ANA: - F John Quenneville
39: BUF: - F Ryan Donato
40: OTT: - D Johnathan Macleod
41: NJD: - F Brayden Point
42: NSH: - F Eric Cornel
43: ARI: - F Ryan MacInnis
44: WAS: - G Alex Nedeljkovic
45: DAL: - D Dominik Masin
46: NSH: - G Kaapo Kahkonen
47: CBJ: - D Blake Siebenaler
48: PHI: - G Mason McDonald
49: BUF: - F Spencer Watson
50: TBL: - D Andreas Englund
51: SJ: - D Aaron Irving
52: STL: - F Justin Kirkland
53: SJ: - D Dysin Mayo
54: CAL: - D Brycen Martin
55: ANA: - D Ben Thomas
56: BOS: - F Austin Poganski
57: NYI: - F Hunter Smith
58: ARI: - F Vladislav Kamenev
59: NYR: - G Brent Moran
60: LA: - F Chase De Leo
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My thoughts on the first two rounds. I do think there will be trades (esp. for Floridas 1st) but I stayed with the current order. 2nd round might be shaky, but first round I like. Most picks address team needs, although a few aren't necessary.
Leave your thoughts. Yay? Nay? Who do you want your team to take?
1.) Detroit will go for a Right wing in the first
2.) Vancouver will go after the Richie or Virtanen unless on of the first 5 ate available.
3.) I would rather canucks get Ehlers
4.) Detroit is in need of a RHD, they've got enough prospects on the wing. And to the second comment, I thought that too, so just swap Ritchie w/ Nylander (a Skinner-Lindholm-Nylander line could look good in the future)
5.) I think the Leafs would take Virtanen over Ehlers if he's still on the board.
6.) Virtanen will not drop to eleventh and Goldobin won't drop to 30th he is ranked 14th by Central scouting and is the top right winger in the ohl
7.) I really want the Leafs to nab Ehlers, so there's that. Also, I was going off THN's Draft Preview and a bit of the CSS, so that might be why some players are higher/lower than expected
07 Oct 2013 04:25:47
Will people stop with the ridiculous trades?! Gardiner will not be dealt, he's a key part of our d-core and just because he isn't playing like an Erik Karlsson doesn't mean that he must be traded. Same goes for Reimer. He had a bad game against Ottawa, and now everyone is throwing him under the bus. We brought Bernier in so that we have a 1A and a 1B (and i'm not going to bother saying who is who) If one gets injured, we've still got a great goalie. If one has a bad game, we've got a great secondary. We're playing fine with the team we have now, so there's no need to blow up the team. If we're doing well at the deadline, then we pick up a depth forward or d-man in case of injury, not some superstar centre which costs us an arm and a leg.
Go Leafs!
04 Oct 2013 21:06:31
Some people need to step back and look at this logically. Phil Kessel signed this contract to stay in Toronto because Tyler Bozak signed to stay here. Therefore, stop putting Bozak in trades. He's also currently our 1st line centre, so despite the fact that there are better 1st line centres available, he's the only one we have right now. We're 2-0 for a reason, so stop unneccesarily blowing up the team with pointless trades. We've got 3 solid lines on forward once Clarkson comes back, and a very good defensive core, not to mention one of the best goaltending tandems in the league.
Go Leafs Go!
1.) I still think we could use an upgrade on D although I think that could happen once Franson and Ranger get up to speed, and Gardiner gets some confidence but yeh we have one of the deepest forward groups and goaltender groups in the league
2.) Leafs are 2 - 0 due MOSTLY to Reimer and, to probably an even greater degree, Bernier. That's not a jab at the leafs, its just the way it is. Reimer kept the leafs in it vs MTL, and Bernier stole the game vs PHI.
3.) Can't say I agree with the Bozak-Kessel argument. Meaning I am sure it helped, but ultimately his decision to stay has more to do with the direction the team is going/how much he likes the city
@predsfan Don't know where you got that from, been one of the only Leafs to play with heart. Also one of the classier Leafs as well.
If you actually bothered reading Habs12's post, you'll notice he never traded for Ribeiro. If you're going to trash a post, at least get your facts straight.
My main point was that Detroit is the team in need, therefore they include more (or ask for less). Toronto has no reason to do this in the first place, so why would they give up more? As Shankar also pointed out, Biggs is still a prospect. He isn't valueless whatsoever.
Overpayment by Leafs. 3rd + Franson should be enough, no need to include Biggs.
Nearly every single one of your posts has been so biased towards the Habs, its not even funny. Although Pacioretty is good, if I'm Winnipeg, I'd only do a one - for - one for any of the players you listed, and that's just for value. (They aren't giving up Schiefle or Ehlers). Adding Desharnais doesn't really help either, he may put up points but he's tiny and has a bad contract. Definite NO from Winnipeg.
Pretty much exactly what I think, great job. Really hope Toronto nabs Ehlers, been a while since they've nabbed and developed their own scoring sensation.
Both equally as bad. To the original poster, top 4 is right but in wrong order, no way that Ekblad not only falls to 4th but is passed up by Edmonton. @Charles Xavier, i'm a big fan of Ehlers, but i'd take (and so would Calgary) Reinhart 10/10 times. there's also no way he'd drop to 5th, most drafts have him going at 2nd
I really want the Leafs to nab Ehlers, so there's that. Also, I was going off THN's Draft Preview and a bit of the CSS, so that might be why some players are higher/lower than expected
Detroit is in need of a RHD, they've got enough prospects on the wing. And to the second comment, I thought that too, so just swap Ritchie w/ Nylander (a Skinner-Lindholm-Nylander line could look good in the future)