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21 Dec 2019 01:25:32
To TOR:
Josh Manson
Ryan Miller
To ANA:
Andreas Johnsson
Cody Ceci
Jeremy Bracco
2019 3rd Round Pick
TOR finally gets that big, right handed, stay-at-home defenseman to play with Rielly and also potentially solves their backup situation for the year.
ANA needs help with goal scoring so Johnsson (on a good contract) and Bracco head the other way to potentially help them turn that around. Ceci is thrown in for cap purposes and the 3rd rounder is there to hopefully balance that a little (considering ANA is not looking like a playoff team this year, that seems promising for them).
Thoughts?
1.) 21 Dec 2019 11:31:11
Manson has more value than you think. Ceci would be negative value. Swap the 3rd for a second Amanda be closer.
2.) 21 Dec 2019 12:38:46
Ceci is having a better season then Manson. Manson has regressed.
3.) 21 Dec 2019 18:20:39
Miller won't waive his NTC for Toronto, his wife is an actress hence living closer to LA works for both of them.
16 Jul 2019 08:29:44
To TOR:
Jack Campbell
2021 4th Round Pick
To LAK:
Garret Sparks
2021 3rd Round Pick
LAK has Petersen in the minors who I think they'd prefer to play in the NHL this year and so, Campbell would be on his way out to make space and Sparks would go to them and run their AHL team.
Campbell would come to TOR and help take a good amount of pressure off Andersen.
Since both goalies are on just 1-year deals but Campbell is the better goalie, TOR sends a 3rd and LAK sends a 4th; any decent draft picks are of use to LAK in their current form.
Thoughts?
1.) 16 Jul 2019 11:41:39
I posted a similar trade a while back to be cut to pieces.
I had FGauthier and Sparks to the Kings for JCampbell.
Let's see your responses.
2.) 16 Jul 2019 17:56:56
The upgrade from sparks to Campbell is more than the difference of the picks.
Campbell for sparks and a 2nd.
3.) 16 Jul 2019 19:53:49
Jack Campbell has played a total of 38 NHL Games, what has he done to prove any more worth?
4.) 16 Jul 2019 20:20:49
NHL games don’t matter pinball, it’s the same reason Gusev is treated as a god on this site despite never setting foot on NHL ice.
5.) 16 Jul 2019 21:49:25
Jones played 34 when he got traded for a 1st.
6.) 16 Jul 2019 23:19:25
In 31 games campbell had 2.30 gaa, and. 928 sv% that's a pretty good season sitting behind l. a.
In 20 games, sparks had 3.11 gaa and .902 sv%.
It's a small sample size, but a big enough one to compare the 2 and judge campbell to be more valuable.
7.) 17 Jul 2019 04:49:41
No need to do head to head comparisons. Anyone who has seen Sparks play knows he is garbage. I could see Leafs make a trade for a backup no problem. I’m surprised they haven’t dumped Sparks already actually.
8.) 17 Jul 2019 19:31:16
is pinball and justaleafsfan the same person? weird how they both post awful trades and then put "thoughts? " at the end.
19 May 2019 19:01:45
A few offseason moves for the Leafs.
Trades:
1.
To TOR:
Eric Staal
Jared Spurgeon
2020 2nd Round Pick
To MIN:
Nazem Kadri
Kasperi Kapanen
Nikita Zaitsev
2020 1st Round Pick
2.
To EDM:
Connor Brown
To TOR:
Colby Cave
*Re-sign Hainsey 1-year $1.5M*
New Lines:
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Moore-Staal-Bracco
Marleau-Cave-Mikheyev
Rielly-Spurgeon
Muzzin-Dermott
Sandin-Hainsey
Andersen
Sparks??
Thoughts?
1.) 19 May 2019 23:37:31
Dont trade Kappanen.
2.) 20 May 2019 04:08:06
I actually think these are pretty good
3.) 20 May 2019 22:14:26
Line combo's you have listed are incorrect. Marner's last game as a leaf was about a month ago as he takes his RFA offersheet bucks and leaves with a grin on his face. Lucky kid.
4.) 29 May 2019 19:44:17
If I’m the Wild, I make this trade. Need to figure out a way to get Rask in a deal though.
29 Jan 2019 00:30:38
Leafs acquire Jake Muzzin from the Kings for Carl Grundstrom, Sean Durzi and their 2019 1st Round Pick. Source: Leafs Twitter
19 Jan 2019 22:30:46
To TOR:
Josh Manson
Max Jones
To ANA:
Andreas Johnsson
Nikita Zaitsev
Jesper Lindgren
Jeremy Bracco
2019 1st Round Pick
TOR gets a big, right-handed defenseman in Manson who excels on the defensive side of the game and can allow Rielly to be a lot more involved with the offense and a young, big power forward in Jones who can get under the opponent's skin and play a role similar to Hyman's in that he can get into the tough battles and grind for the puck in the corners and get it to Matthews. This would also mean that both Matthews and Tavares have this sort of grindy player on their wings instead of entirely skill (which as recently evident has not seemed to be entirely effective for the Leafs.)
ANA gets a young, offensively-talented player in Johnsson when they are in desperate need of goals from somewhere, a fill-in replacement for Manson in Zaitsev, a good defensive prospect in Lindgren (an area in which they do not have a great selection to choose from at the moment), an extremely talented playmaking winger in Bracco and a 1st round pick for this year if they miss out on the playoffs and want to stockpile more prospects.
Thoughts?
1.) 19 Jan 2019 23:16:47
Anaheim gives up two young roster players for Zaitsev an overpaid player who was a signing mistake and 3 players that will have problems cracking the Ducks lineup. Two get those two players off the Ducks the Leafs would have to add a good roster player and much better players from the minors.
2.) 20 Jan 2019 00:00:25
Johnsson > Jones, not by much though.
Rest of the package doesn't get Manson.
If it's Manson we're going after, imo, its going to take Kapanen + Bracco + 1st or something based around Nylander without the inclusion of Jones.
And islandjet, quit the hyperbole. The Ducks just lost 12 straight, Johnsson doesn't have 'problems cracking the Ducks lineup'.
3.) 20 Jan 2019 01:46:29
I’d love Manson but I actually agree with islandjet this time. Kapanen or Nylander would have to be in there and I’m not sure what Anaheim’s cap looks like.
4.) 20 Jan 2019 08:29:03
How is it Johnsson > Jones?
Jones is a 20 year old first round pick enough said.
5.) 20 Jan 2019 14:03:28
Johnssons what, three years older and has 21 points in like 40 games in his rookie season. I even said ‘not by much’. Johnsson’s done something at the NHL level atm, and Jones still has to prove himself there. I get where your coming from with the potential side, but Jones’ junior numbers aren’t all that eye catching that show that he’ll develop into better than what Johnsson’s producing right now.
And I even said, if we want Manson, you take Johnsson and Jones out and add like Kapanen/ Nylander to the package.
6.) 20 Jan 2019 14:38:24
TSS you have to realize how ridiculous that sounds, Jones is considered one of the ducks top prospects, Johnsson is at most a 3rd line guy. Just because he’s in the NHL because he had 3 extra development years to get there doesn’t make him better or more valuable. We don’t live in a world where every player in the NHL is better/ more valuable than every player outside it. Having success helps Johnssons value because he wasn’t a very valuable piece before but I still don’t think he’s as valuable as a 20 year old first round pick who at this point seems to have met his expectations in development.
7.) 20 Jan 2019 16:38:31
Jones is pretty close to 21 and really hasn't shown much to this point I agree the trade isn't great but it's mostly ruined by the inclusion of zaitsev.
8.) 20 Jan 2019 17:29:23
Puljujarvi is a 20 year old 1st round pick and he’s still complete trash at the nhl level. Lucic litterly out produces him. Draft position means nothing.
9.) 20 Jan 2019 18:03:27
I mean, if we're going by draft position, we can look at a guy like Lawson Crouse who was drafted only a year before Max Jones, plays a similar style, and has busted out pretty hard in Arizona, even if they give him playing time.
Jones is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. But really, if we're talking a matter of appx. two years of age, one guys in the NHL playing 2nd Line minutes [Johnsson >>>> guys like Connor Brown who are 3rd liners] and one guy still has to prove his worth, I'd be taking the proven guy. Only time that isn't the case is if the prospect really is top-notch, but really, Jones is basically #50 in the NHL, and his style of player just isn't as popular in todays NHL.
Plus, Jones' AHL production and OHL production really doesn't tout him as much better than Johnsson. His +1 year was 36 in 33 and his +2 year was 24 in 29 - hampered by injuries a lot too. His inaugral AHL season wasn't terrible, 24 in 32 is pretty good, but Johnsson's rookie year was 47 in 75, the next year, PPG [54 in 54]. You can't call one to be a 'top prospect' and the other to be 'a 3rd line guy', when their statistics in the same league at the same age were basically identically. And draft position isn't anything to be crowned over, just because Johnsson's a seventh round pick doesn't mean I'd take Frederik Gauthier over him [both were 2013 picks]. I put Johnsson in the same talent range as Kasperi Kapanen, and tbh, I'd value both higher than Max Jones atm - unless Jones proves at the NHL level he's better, i'm sticking with that.
10.) 20 Jan 2019 18:31:06
Vbb, you're completely wrong and why you hate every player on Edmonton? Draft position means alot, that's why players drafted higher are more likely to make nhl then guys drafted 150th, can find late bloomers late but the chance of a guy being drafted 6th, very slim chance they'll ever play a game in nhl.
11.) 20 Jan 2019 20:41:14
TSS, you’re right in saying we don’t know who’s better until Jones is a NHL regular. But unless the ducks have given up on Jones and I doubt they have because he’s 20, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Johnsson. His potential is higher.
VB would you be saying that is Puljujarvi was a point per game in the AHL? The Oil management is garbage not Puljujuarvi. I get more and more confindence in him being a good player as the season goes on.
12.) 20 Jan 2019 20:55:55
Atta boy vb.
13.) 20 Jan 2019 20:57:08
He was itching to bring in Puljujarvi oh yes he was.
14.) 20 Jan 2019 23:01:41
Jones = 2× Johnson lol.
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05 Mar 2017 20:35:23
The consensus amongst most Leafs fans is that a young right-handed defenseman is essentially needed to make the team better.
I think an offseason trade of some sort to a western conference team can be in the cards that could be of help to both teams and I think that the main piece in any trade from the Leafs perspective would be JVR due to his low cap and his high offensive output.
Some teams I think the Leafs could target for such a trade are Anaheim for Brandon Montour, St. Louis for Jordan Schmaltz and San Jose for Dylan DeMelo or Jeremy Roy. I do think that the St. Louis trade would be the least likely of the 3 because they are already fairly deep on the LW however, San Jose could use a successor for Marleau moving forward and Anaheim desperately needs an offensive catalyst for Getzlaf and Perry.
Being a trade between the conferences, JVR would not be much of a plague to the Leafs as compared to if he were traded within the conference.
What trade of this sort would you make if you were the Leafs? Personally, I think Anaheim would be the best fit but San Jose is a good option as well and St. Louis, if they bite, also has solid trade potential.
1.) 06 Mar 2017 18:43:52
If I were the leafs I'd just try to resign him if you can get fair value (1st and top 4 Dman. )
2.) 06 Mar 2017 21:19:01
A 1st annnnd top 4 Dman? JVR gets a top 4 Dman back (depending who it is maybe a slight add aswell), he'd et a 1st and good prospect but would never get a 1st and top 4 Dman imo. Not with no term and UFA coming up next year.
3.) 07 Mar 2017 17:32:38
blues just traded Kevin shattenkirk. Why on earth would they trade jordan schmaltz their highly toted prospect and former 1st round pick on an ELC contract for a mid rung left winger they don't need making about 3.5 million more and leaving the blues light on the right side?
Please explain to me why. i'm all ears.
13 Jan 2017 20:47:32
Two trades for Colorado at the deadline:
Trade 1:
To TOR:
Erik Johnson
To COL:
James Van Riemsdyk
Roman Polak
Trade 2:
To OTT:
Gabriel Landeskog
To COL:
Thomas Chabot
2017 1st Round Pick
Explanation:
With trade 1, Toronto gets that big right-handed d-man that can play big minutes with Rielly and can really improve their defensive depth and Colorado gets a new face in the locker room that fills the void left by Landeskog really well. Roman Polak acts as the fill-in player who fills Johnson's spot for the remainder of the season. This will be similar to the Andersen trade in that Johnson's contract with the Leafs will be determined before the trade happens (this also means that Johnson won't be lost at the expansion draft) .
With trade 2, Ottawa gets a forward that they can use to really bolster their offensive core for their playoff push and who fits in due to his young age. Colorado gets a top defensive prospect as well as a 1st round pick all that can be used to build towards the future.
Thoughts?
1.) 14 Jan 2017 00:33:17
Colorado can keep Erik Johnson maybe Barrie
24 May 2015 02:49:03
Realistically, I don't think the Leafs will (nor should they) make any trades at the draft or in the offseason unless they are getting good value for their veteran players. With Babcock as the coach, I firstly think that he is going to take a season to evaluate the roster and see who he likes and who follows his systems and ways properly and who doesn't. Also, for players like Kessel, if he can perform well under Babcock and get to at least his standard 35 goals 80 points type of season, his value can be replenished from last season and even if we don't make the playoffs next season, he can be traded for a lot more. I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade them but as Shanny keeps emphasizing, we really should be patient with all of our decisions.
What do you think about this?
1.) 24 May 2015 08:18:28
So when there is already very capable people involved to make some decisions on how to rebuild, you want to not do anyhting for a year and let the new guy take a look and help make decisions in a year? And in the meantime slow the rebuild process down a valuable year. That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Its not like Babcock lived under a rock the last few seasons. He does have a good handle on things. Hence why he chose to sign there.
2.) 24 May 2015 20:32:34
@yep
You see, that right there is impatience. Everyone in the Leafs organization is preaching patience for now and for the future yet the fans keep pressuring them to make changes and make them fast. Babcock has 8 damn years on his contract, he needs at least one season to see what he's got to work with, just like Shanny needed last season. The way you make it sound, the rebuild will take 2 years and then we'll win the cup. Great banter man. Rebuilds can take 5+ years to happen and if you expect all of the massive changes to happen in the 1st official year of the rebuild, you're dreaming.
3.) 24 May 2015 22:29:43
Your right we need to be patient but what your talking about is icing a team that isn't good enough to make the playoffs and isn't bad enough to tank are you serious bud be real here the best thing for the leafs to do is to trade phaneuf and Kessel to be traded. They are both poison on this leafs team. Trade them now and let Babcock work with lupul and bozak to see if they are apart of the future if not then trade them. But saying we should keep them is ridiculous! They clearly aren't apart of the future so why keep them when teams are going to be paying a premium for top 4 dmen and elite goal scorers
4.) 25 May 2015 01:47:29
@Leafland
I agree with what you said but I think even more patience can be applied, trades such as Phaneuf and Kessel I would make at the trade deadline if we know for sure we aren't even close to making the playoffs (I don't expect it anyway but with Babcock, you never know). As I mentioned before, if you trade them now, you will almost just be selling them; you won't get as much trade value for them as you would ideally want. That's why I say give those players at least until the trade deadline to prove their worth to the team and Babcock and if they start playing good again, the decision can be made if they are to be kept or traded and if they are traded, you would be getting far more value for them than you would be if you trade them right now. That was the point of this post. Ultimately, taking it slow and making calculated is key.
So to summarize, keep them till the deadline, if we are in a playoff spot (1% chance of happening), keep them and if we get eliminated, trade them in the next offseason. If we aren't close to making the playoffs by the deadline, trade them then. Good seasons can replenish and improve their trade values.
5.) 25 May 2015 03:07:34
Hahahahahahahaha! In no way shape or form did I even hint to them winning the cup in 2 years. I don't even think they will win a cup in 10 years! Get a clue. i'm saying that you have true hockey knowledge in true professionals, they don't need a year to evaluate what's going on, they understand fully what's going on. I would love you guys to not do a thing and waste a valuble year of the rebuild. That would be hilarious and taking two steps back.
6.) 25 May 2015 09:01:26
Jesus. Do you even know what you're talking about? Did you pay attention at all at this last trade deadline? You know why they weren't traded then, right? Because they were waiting until the off season so teams could take a better look at their lineup and have more cap space to make things work. You don't make many hockey trades in mid season (deadline), they usually happen in the off season. Teams didn't have much cap room to make a Kessel or Phagnuff trade happen at deadline, now seasons over, certain contracts are off the books, cap has gone up, now is when teams have more ability to make big moves (for big money players).
07 May 2015 02:17:08
So apparently the Red Wings aren't impressed at all at the development of Mantha this far. By saying that have they lowered his trade value? I think it's possible that either this season or by the end of next season, he may end up on their trading block if he doesn't perform at the level he's expected to. Perhaps then the Dion Phaneuf to Detroit for Mantha (obviously with more pieces) trade can happen. What do you guys think about this?
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10 Feb 2019 22:36:21
CAR would ask for more for Pesce IMO, maybe Kapanen and another prospect or a pick. BUF won't take on Zaitsev's contract without more incentive to the deal, especially as they inch closer and closer to contending for a playoff spot. The 3rd trade I can see working out though.
08 Aug 2018 00:16:27
@vb You're right, he's not a "top prospect" but on a team like Carolina, he'd easily become the backup to Darling and potentially even become the starter over time if given the starts.
@Crazy You're also correct however, the point I was trying to make with that was that Gardiner is great offensively, he ranks 30th among defensemen in terms of points over the past 5 seasons, a lot of which were with the Leafs at the dead bottom (or close to it) of the standings. He's only had less than 30 points in 1 FULL season of his career and so, the 52 points he had the last season really is the cherry on top in terms to his offensive game and on a team that doesn't have very many major offensive threats like Carolina, that goes a long way.
05 Aug 2018 21:05:22
Anaheim laughs at this and never bothers dealing with us again LOL.
24 Jul 2018 05:18:35
I actually like this deal for both teams, Lehtera can be a 4th line center or AHLer for TOR and we get another RHD in our pool (something we can definitely use) and PHI gets rid of the cap while adding some potential goal scoring in Leivo (who TOR can replace from within the system) .
24 Jul 2018 05:12:44
Faulk just isn't the type of D-man we need. We can get more offensive D-men like him straight from the Marlies and keep Nylander in the process. We need a D-man that's good in both zones but particularly, in our own zone.
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25 May 2015 01:47:29
@Leafland
I agree with what you said but I think even more patience can be applied, trades such as Phaneuf and Kessel I would make at the trade deadline if we know for sure we aren't even close to making the playoffs (I don't expect it anyway but with Babcock, you never know). As I mentioned before, if you trade them now, you will almost just be selling them; you won't get as much trade value for them as you would ideally want. That's why I say give those players at least until the trade deadline to prove their worth to the team and Babcock and if they start playing good again, the decision can be made if they are to be kept or traded and if they are traded, you would be getting far more value for them than you would be if you trade them right now. That was the point of this post. Ultimately, taking it slow and making calculated is key.
So to summarize, keep them till the deadline, if we are in a playoff spot (1% chance of happening), keep them and if we get eliminated, trade them in the next offseason. If we aren't close to making the playoffs by the deadline, trade them then. Good seasons can replenish and improve their trade values.
24 May 2015 20:32:34
@yep
You see, that right there is impatience. Everyone in the Leafs organization is preaching patience for now and for the future yet the fans keep pressuring them to make changes and make them fast. Babcock has 8 damn years on his contract, he needs at least one season to see what he's got to work with, just like Shanny needed last season. The way you make it sound, the rebuild will take 2 years and then we'll win the cup. Great banter man. Rebuilds can take 5+ years to happen and if you expect all of the massive changes to happen in the 1st official year of the rebuild, you're dreaming.