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25 Nov 2014 07:11:59
Carolina - kadri, Gardiner and lievo
Toronto - skinner and sekera
Then trade Lupul for a 3rd pick
1.) 25 Nov 2014 14:45:42
Nice try. Skinner is worth more.
2.) I know right. It's probably because he's not a maple leaf. I'm sorry that leaf players over value their player sometimes but non leaf fans under value them more. Carolina is shopping the face of their team. Looking for a new look. Skinner is good but not worth more then what JVR can get in the market. Just saying
3.) You kadri gardiner and lievo , aren't worth that much but lupul could get a bit more
4.) 25 Nov 2014 18:34:33
Um, I never said anything about JVR.
I'd say they're worth about the same. JVR is a super good contract for what he's doing.
But the above trade is just not enough to get Skinner. Simple as that.
5.) I know you never mentioned jvr. I was just comparing value. Value that most anti leafers will say JVR is worth a 2nd pick. Due to skinners concussions and higher pay I believe most teams will not give much more then what I posted. Plus this allows them to have more confidence in moving E Stall. They get a second line center and a struggling defencman that have potential to florish under a different coach.
6.) Same as Lupul. He is only worth a 3rd in this cap world we are in due to his constant injuries that limit teams interest. Teams making good money can pay an injured player as long as he's on ltir they are fine because his contract doesn't effect the cap. But teams like Carolina, Arizona can't hold onto those players
7.) ^ I agree in part Drais. I don't think Carolina would trade him for Kadri, Gardiner and Leivo, but if I were Toronto I wouldn't give up any more than that.
He's a talented player but his injury history is concerning and I could easily see him and Kadri having similar career numbers for that reason. So you're not necessarily getting a massive upgrade.
8.) 25 Nov 2014 21:51:33
Lupul is better then a 3rd round pick. for sure
9.) 26 Nov 2014 09:00:28
@Killa: Whoever says JVR is worth a 2nd is just dumb. JVR is one of the premier PWFs in the league, able to score 30, maybe 40 one day.
But Skinner is very talented, too. He's a bit younger, I think, an excellent skater, has a nose for the net and goalscoring touch. Carolina is just in a bad situation.
JVR has Kessel to play with. I know Skinner has Staal, but I don't think they played on the same line alot.
Whatsoever, JVR isn't worth a 2nd, he's worth more than a 1st (not talking top 5-10 next year, but generally).
@THEGR81: perfect assessment, I agree. No way CAR trades him for that, I think he's one of the few pieces they wanna keep and rebuild around. At least that's what I'd do if I was CAR. But it may also be true, that TOR would not be willing to give more. But then you just don't get him.
21 Nov 2014 00:11:43
Toronto - J Stall
Carolina - Phaneuf
Both are over paid and need a fresh start
Toronto - Byfuglian
Winnipeg - Franson, Kadri, 3rd
Toronto gets a new face on the backend and Winnipeg gets 2 good prospects to play and grow with their current roster age group.
1.) So Kadri and Franson are prospects now?
2.) Would NEVER give that up for Buff
3.) Alright. My bad. They are not considered prospects. Lol was that the only thing you decided in commenting on Benn? If there is any grammar errors please let me know
4.) Yes, it would be better for the Leafs if they ship out Gardiner than Phaneuf and Franson.
10 Nov 2014 05:39:18
Gardiner and a 2nd to the Rangers
Kreider to the Leafs
I posted this before but since people feel the need to flood the forum with 15 trades at a time. I never had a chance to see anyone's comments.
1.) 10 Nov 2014 06:21:41
lefa have to add, quite a bit.
2.) Defencemen are at a all time high right now you have to give to get
3.) Lol kreider is not that good, go try to find a young and up & coming defenceman from some other team
4.) 10 Nov 2014 18:15:22
defensemen are worth a lot yes, but they simply aren't worth what you want them to be worth. gardiner is playing horribly right now while kreider is on 70 point pace.
5.) He won't get 70 points buddy^ 50ish is possible
6.) 10 Nov 2014 20:29:16
did I say he was getting 70 points? if you read I said 70 point pace, while gardiner is off to a horrible start. one guy is at a high in value, and raising it, while the other's value is falling, its not hard to see. i'm a leaf fan so don't accuse me of just hating on the leafs for the sake of doing it like some others do on here.
7.) Gardiner, Biggs, 3rd
for
Kreider
8.) @leaffan no from NYR
05 Nov 2014 07:15:59
Edmonton - Bozak, Gardiner, Lupul and a 1st
Toronto - Hall and a roster player
If we are ready to overpay for Stall. Why not overpay for a better player.
1.) I don't think they trade Hall. At least not for those Players. Hall is too valuable. You'd have to start with Reilly if you wanna make Edmonton think about it.
2.) 05 Nov 2014 14:23:02
Yes, 2 out of JVR, Rielly and Nylanders would have to be included. And you still add from there.
Hall is delivering more than 1PPG playing for EDM. Not too bad.
3.) To Draisaitl_94;
I THINK you know hockey but your HATRED for the Leafs is distorting your thinking. Your above statement is just plain ridiculous. Please rethink your comments and respond.
4.) With Lupul and JVR, they don't need another top 6 winger.
5.) 06 Nov 2014 08:19:01
Thanks a lot Cheeks, but a combined 41-7 for benn14 and me seem to prove me right.
Whats your problem? I don't even hate the leafs. Only thing I don't like is a big part of their fans totally overvaluing each and every player.
Hall is a #1 pick, a franchise player despite playing mostly wing which is impressive enough to begin with.
EDM really isn't a good team, but he puts up 1+PPG every damn year.
So, I think TOR starts with 2 out of these 3. JVR is great, I love him. But Hallis arguably better and has a way higher ceiling. Nylander hasn't proven anything yet, but has some good value.
Thats what EDM would want to have back for someone like Taylor Hall. No one forces you to pay that price, but I think you have to pay that price if you want to get Hall.
Thats not undervaluing leafs players, but being realistic trade value wise.
6.) I agree with Drais. Bozak, Gardiner are both good players. But Hall is agruably already one, if not the best LW in the League. He has now played 257 games for 98 - 137 - 235 in 5 seasons.
Compare that with JVR. 336 games for 100 - 100 - 200 in 6 seasons.
Playoffs not included. (JVR in 46 games 13 - 9 - 22)
So you agree that they have to add to JVR if they want to trade for Hall.
Thats not undervaluing. At least not in this trade proposal.
So overpaying for Hall is not Bozak, Gardiner, Lupul and 1st it's more like JVR, Reilly + pick or prospect. Even then I'd keep Hall.
7.) @draisaitl_94 I know hall is really good but don't you think that's a bit of an overpayment I mean don't get me wrong I hate the leafs but jvr and reilly+ is too much because jvr is good but not enough but then you say reilly, I get that jvr alone isn't enough but when you say reilly you go to an overpayment because reilly will be monster, then you say + so then its just you're hatred of leaf fans proposing a trade to your oils franchise player
8.) @Cheeks
I agree that Toronto has to overpay for Hall. But the operative word in that sentence is "overpay". In other words, it's an overpayment to send 2 of JVR, Rielly or Nylander + other pieces.
So if you're looking for a consolation prize, it's maybe that Hall isn't worth that much in a vacuum trade but he is worth that much in a real world trade.
9.) Yeah your comments did make me think over the proposal and I really never offered a player that shows a huge potential on becoming a building block or a franchise player for the Oilers. Jvr or Reilly would have to be added. Not both. But Percy or another decent prospect would have to be involved. I would love hall on the leafs and also would love to see Reimer on another team. Maybe Lupul, Reimer, kadri and a first. I guess no matter what I say I will be told I'm overvaluing leaf players. But it goes both ways. Leaf haters undervalue leaf players because they have arguebly the biggest fan base. :p
10.) 07 Nov 2014 16:49:03
@caryprice31: of eaf fans proposing a trade to your ois franchise player? I'm a TBL fan, so Hall isn't my franchise player.
As I said: You could very well argue that JVR + Rielly is too much, but I guarantee you that you won't get Hall for anything below that.
Lupul, Reimer, Kadri and 1st isn't anything that replaces you Hall.
Hall is en elite player and would already be a superstar if he was on a better team. You don't get superstars for an often-injured aging 2nd liner, a goalie that's borderline between good backup and bad starter, a #2 center that has yet to live up to his potential and a 1st pick that might not even be in the lottery.
Just not going to happen.
11.) @Draisaitl_94 I honestly think, that you are the best 'commenter' on this website currently. Although, you comment what you think is wrong, on 'bad' posts. Never good, like 'yeah, I guess that works' or good job. But, that's my opinion. Otherwise definitely one of the best on this webiste
12.) Sorry Draisait_ , I thought you meant to add the 2 of 3 to the original proposal of Bozak, Gardiner Lupul and a 1st.
My bad.
13.) 08 Nov 2014 08:53:43
@NHLFunFacts: Oh well, thanks Sir! And you're right, but part of the reason for it is, that approx 3/4+ proposed trades on here are rather unrealistic. But I should really do that, too, I agree.
@Cheeks27: Oh haha, no no. That'd be too much of course. And wouldn't work cap wise anyways.
14.) 08 Nov 2014 11:46:11
Yes, nhlfunfacts, Draisaitl offers the most balanced, insiteful, and unbiased comments.
15.) There is too much posted about this. All that needs to be said is:
You're clearly a leafs fan who lives in a fantasy world because this trade is garbage.
16.) I would like to visit the fantasy world that Leafs fans live in one day, it seems like a magical place where career AHLer's are demi-gods worth more then Stamkos, and human Pylons acquired from Calgary are revered as the best defencemen since a kid from Perry Sound, ahh Leafs fans they sure are lucky!
17.) @Chirp I very much enjoyed when you didn't post rude things on peoples trades. Just tell them no and why that doesn't work. Or even just click the unbelievable. There is no need to be rude. None of the posts on this website are 'garbage'. They might not be realistic but people put time into this not for it to be called garbage. Thank you.
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IMO
02 Jul 2014 22:29:25
Clarkson, Franson and a 2nd for Mike Richards and a Regehr
Leafs should make an offer to sign Steve ott
1.) 02 Jul 2014 23:08:20
LA should throw in Kopitar and Doughty and I think a deal would be made.
2.) 03 Jul 2014 00:09:34
Would love to have Ott on t.o
3.) Kings have a couple of Stanley Cups over the past few years with very few differences between the teams that won them. You really think they have any interest in making big sweeping changes like this? They don't.
4.) 03 Jul 2014 06:02:15
Ace come up with something more original
5.) Nyuck nyuck nyuck ace. I notice you never have any valid response but a silly wise crack at the end of peoples posts. Richard for Clarkson is a cap dump for la. Franson sweetens the pot and there has to be cap space coming back for them to sign franson (which I think he will fit perfectly in la). The second pick was to silence the leaf haters that come on sites just to troll. Obviously it's not going to happen
6.) 03 Jul 2014 14:50:41
Teams that win the Cup twice in 4 years don't trade for Clarkson
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07 Nov 2014 02:48:08
Dion Phaneuf for Simon Garfunkle
Leafs need a change in scenery and the fans need some harmony in there life. What other better way to do that then making Simon Garfunkle the new Captain. He doesn't even have to play. He can sing in the pressbox and at least Phaneuf is no longer a leaf.
1.) I.
Nevermind.
2.) Killa. Here's a medal. You have earned it. Please. Make more.
LMFAO! You crazy? Any trade regarding a leaf player automatically consists of overpayment. Leafs must add 2 first round picks and retain all of Franson contract.
Same as Lupul. He is only worth a 3rd in this cap world we are in due to his constant injuries that limit teams interest. Teams making good money can pay an injured player as long as he's on ltir they are fine because his contract doesn't effect the cap. But teams like Carolina, Arizona can't hold onto those players
I know you never mentioned jvr. I was just comparing value. Value that most anti leafers will say JVR is worth a 2nd pick. Due to skinners concussions and higher pay I believe most teams will not give much more then what I posted. Plus this allows them to have more confidence in moving E Stall. They get a second line center and a struggling defencman that have potential to florish under a different coach.
I know right. It's probably because he's not a maple leaf. I'm sorry that leaf players over value their player sometimes but non leaf fans under value them more. Carolina is shopping the face of their team. Looking for a new look. Skinner is good but not worth more then what JVR can get in the market. Just saying
Alright. My bad. They are not considered prospects. Lol was that the only thing you decided in commenting on Benn? If there is any grammar errors please let me know