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10 Sep 2018 12:21:29
Mathieu Perreault (C - 4.15 Million x 3 Years) + Marko Dano (RW - 0.80 Million x 1 Year) to the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for Lawson Crouse (LW - 0.85 Million x 1 Year) + Laurent Dauphin (C - 0.70 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Winnipeg trades away 4 million in cap space, and although Perreault is a good 40 point man, for 4 million as a 3C with Adam Lowry and a top heavy team, he seems like an accessory. In order to resign Laine/ Trouba/ Myers, etc. the Jets will need to shed cap. Crouse hasn’t developed as expected, but he's a top10 pick from only 3 years ago - could become a decent 3rd Liner for WPG at cheap. Perreault may be able to get more, but teams may see WPG as needy for cap space, and valuations for guys like him may lower.
- Arizona acquires a really good 3C who can move up the lineup, as the total transition on the team continues. Unlike WPG, ARZ is more of an offence by committee, and can afford to have a higher cap player lower in the lineup. Crouse may hurt as a loss, but with many younger stars, Crouse, who hasn't fully developed, may be a viable trade piece.

Arizona Lineup:

Clayton Keller - Derek Stepan - Christian Dvorak
Mathieu Perreault - Alex Galchenyuk - Richard Panik
Brendan Perlini - Dylan Strome - Michael Grabner
Vinnie Hinostroza - Brad Richardson - Christian Fischer
(Marko Dano, Nick Cousins)

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Jason Demers
Niklas Hjalmarsson- Jakob Chychuryn
Alex Goligoski - Jordan Oesterle
(Kevin Connauton)



Winnipeg Lineup:

Kyle Connor - Mark Schiefele - Blake Wheeler
Nikolaj Ehlers - Bryan Little - Patrik Laine
Lawson Crouse - Adam Lowry - Jack Roslovic
Brandon Tanev - Laurent Dauphin - Andrew Copp
(Nic Petan, Mason Appleton)

Ben Chiarot - Dustin Byfuglien
Josh Morrissey - Jacob Trouba
Dmitry Kulikov - Tyler Myers
(Sami Niku)

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 10 Sep 2018 15:45:28
Winnipeg would say no. This trade makes them worse this year and they don't need to move Perreault this year. Next year might be a different story.


2.) 10 Sep 2018 16:56:32
I believe that both Crouse and Dauphin would have a hard time making the Jets as they have Petan, Appleton, Vesalainen and Lemieux fighting for spots on the team. However I do think Crouse could be a good addition if he was the type of player that would use his size on the 4th line, but Perreault is one of Maurices favorites. Interesting trade though.


3.) 11 Sep 2018 14:22:06
I personally would do this trade, it would be hard for me to let Dano go as he is still a fairly young piece with some potential though. as joe said it would make jets worse this year and they only need the cap next year if they did a trade. Island also made a valid point of crouse and dauphin potentially not being able to make the team with other players fighting for spots.
I do like your explanations for why each sides to this, but maybe add a prospect or pick from jets as arizona is taking on all the extra salary?


4.) 11 Sep 2018 16:10:46
@pkane, how do you agree with both jets fans that jets shouldn’t make this trade as it is presented and then end by saying “jets add a prospect or pick”?! If you think it doesn’t make sense for Winnipeg as it sits, why would them adding more valuable pieces make it better?


5.) 11 Sep 2018 18:50:36
Pkane on some whack stuff.


6.) 12 Sep 2018 09:20:55
what i was saying was from a jets point of view i would do it, from arizona point of view i'd want something extra for taking on the extra salary.


 

 

10 Sep 2018 11:26:55
Suzuki and Tatar for Patches.

Def more than I could have ever imagined for Patches. that's Suzuki + 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 2nd, altho Tatar ain't worth all that now.

MTL makes a very good deal imo, and Tatar could easily be shipped off at the deadline.

This is the side of McPhee that Vegas has to be wary about. he's super hasty. and I feel that this could bite him badly, like with Forsberg/ Erat.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 10 Sep 2018 12:21:11
And a 2nd round pick.


2.) 10 Sep 2018 12:57:01
There is also some cap retention by both teams this year is a wash pretty much but Vegas retains 500 k each of the last 2 years on tater contract.


3.) 10 Sep 2018 13:28:31
Bergevin did well, I’ll give him that. Tatar was apparently a must go, salary and roster spot wise, so it’s esentially Suzuki and a 2nd for patches with a bit of retention. Good return for a guy that it was pretty public he wasn’t going to be back.


4.) 10 Sep 2018 15:58:44
Not to bad. Tatar can probably score 20 to 25 this season, Really hope Suzuki turns into a top 6 player. , any of you guys back East see him play much in the OHL? Any feedback on him?


5.) 10 Sep 2018 16:02:43
I think it's a good return probably slightly more then I expected. suzuki was Vegas 2nd best prospect IMO and tater should be able to at least replace the 17 goals pacioretty scored last year and they get another decent draft pick. Suzuki scored 100 points last year on a somewhat defensive team. I think 72 of his points were primary and the next closest point total on his team was 69 I believe. Has good speed and can play in all situations can play center but I think he will be winger when he turns pro.


6.) 10 Sep 2018 16:05:46
Apparently the trade is contingent on patch signing "long term " in Vegas.


7.) 10 Sep 2018 16:06:21
Also jim tater still has value as we'll he just couldn't fit in with Vegas I'm sure if the habs decided to trade him again they could get something useful in return especially at 4.8 mil preseason instead of 5.3. He might never get what Vegas paid for him again. But I think he could still get a 2nd and a3rd right now at least.


8.) 10 Sep 2018 16:58:35
Good trade for the Habs. Flip Tatar at the trade deadline for picks or prospect then it becomes a great trade for the re-building Habs.


9.) 10 Sep 2018 17:56:48
what are you talking about with all the pick crap

You got Suzuki who isn't even a top 50 prospect in most top 50 propsects. He hit thirty in 1. A 2nd round pick and thomas tatar

for

A signed patches. That haul is underwhelming

What happened to the 1st, top c prospect and a good nhl player for a rental with 1.5 years left.

I think berg did get a good prospect but his super high expectations soured a lot of teams on patches and basically made him settle for that package. Not very good.

ROR got a 1st, 2nd, Tage thompson, Sobotka, Berglund.

Patches got 2nd suzuki, tatar

MTL should have gotten more for a signed patches.


10.) 10 Sep 2018 18:42:20
A lot of people are actually saying Montreal got an underwhelming return. Which I agree a bit, but I also think that was the best Montreal was going to get.


11.) 10 Sep 2018 19:14:49
It's more then fair IMO. But like everything else everyone won't be pleased with it . If the habs had got mcdavid for patches there would be some complaining that we took back too big of a cap hit. nick suzuki is on every top 50 prospect list that holds any merit. He's a real good prospect on top of that we get a consistent 20 goal scorer on a not too bad contract and a 2nd in the 45 to 55 range. I'd say that's pretty good for a player who svored 17 gòals last year. O reilly didn't have a down year if he did he wouldn't have got as much either on top of that he was already signed long term and he is a center. I hope your not trying to imply max could have got o Reilly cause I'm pretty sure habs offered that deal and buffalo said no.


12.) 10 Sep 2018 19:43:58
Idk how people here can say he got an underwhelming return imo.

In general, our trade evaluations were that Patches value had dipped and would get a 1st and a meh prsopect. He got Suzuki, Tatar who can probably get a 1st if he bounces back and a 2nd. And Suzuki is a good prospet too - and he plays a position that Montreal is desperately in need of. Maybe I’m an extra bit high about Suzuki, but I’m the fathest from a Hab fan and I think Bergevin may have saved his own a** and job with this.


13.) 10 Sep 2018 20:04:02
O’Rielly is not a fair comparison at all. Different position, player type, age, contract situation etc.


14.) 10 Sep 2018 22:16:37
Very underwhelming especially now considering its 5 years of him. He's apperently one of the super elite scorers of the last decade or so, 5 years of him should have gotten more, no?


15.) 10 Sep 2018 23:25:42
Not with how he played last year. value went down.
I'm happy with the return, wish the 2nd was a 1st but it's all good.
To be honest, I'd really like to see patches playing along side Stasney. Unfortunately it will be on a different team, but he has never had a reliable center to play alongside. Vegas made some great upgrades this off-season.


16.) 10 Sep 2018 23:37:24
I think it is fair value for both sides. Habby you’re right about not pleasing everyone. However, “ that’s pretty good for a guy who scored 17 goals last year” is different from what you would have said yesterday. Is Pacioretty on the decline now that he’s gone or is he still the 30+ goal scoring leader that you thought he was for years?


17.) 10 Sep 2018 23:56:11
It’s definitely a different tone. When I would say he would not get a great return coming off a bad year, I was told I was wrong. Now I admit this is better than I thought they would get, but this is what I’ve said about when a guy leaves, your opinion changes in a hurry. It did with galchenyuk too. For the last 6 months while surrounded by rumours he’s been “a 35 goal scorer” and you ignored people saying he’s only as good as last year unfortunately. Now it’s “good for a guy with 17 goals”.


18.) 11 Sep 2018 00:11:23
As a Habs fan. and Patches fan, I'll say he just had a down year. I don't know if he (or almost anyone) was able to take the pressure of being a Habs captain, especially on one of the worst seasons in the franchise history . He gets a fresh start in Vegas, with a lot less pressure. . he doesn't have to be the main kog in the offense. this may he the season he finally hits 40 IMO. and I hope he does. was a class act in Montreal, and a really good player for the team.


19.) 11 Sep 2018 00:26:04
Actually leafs 17 it's more then I expected or would have paid. Don't lump me in the delusional category. And it has nothing to do with being or not being the player he was. All though even at 4 years Vegas is still taking a chance on him. Also at 7 mil in Vegas apparently montreal would have had to pay 9.5 per year to match it and he wasn't worth that in his best year. i liked pacioretty as a player and actually stood up for him on times when he slumped every year in the playoffs but knowing now for sure which I suspected all along that he asked for a trade last year really makes m think when the going gets tough he would sooner disappear then face it. that being said he was good for the habs except for last year when he was awful but it was time to move on I'm glad they didn't resign him to a huge contract and I'm super glad they got this good of a return.


20.) 11 Sep 2018 00:27:30
But in case your referring to my comparison of him with simmonds I still think he has slightly more value then simmonds.


21.) 11 Sep 2018 02:04:12
The reason I brought up the 17 goal season jim was cause that's what most of you guys were tossing around. Pretty good return for a 17 goal scorer hey. Also a lot of you said he wouldn't get much of anything in return cause bergevin wasn't dealing from a position of strength. pretty good return IMO I'm quite pleased with this patch could score 40 with Vegas and suzuki may never pan out but this is still a good return at the moment. One of the main reasons other then patch was playing hardball and would have never signed here for 4 years 28 mil is he doesn't really fit in with the type of forward group the habs are putting together now. They are going younger and faster up front and eventhough he's still good he's getting older and slower. fits in better with Vegas as most of there team is over the age of 25.


22.) 11 Sep 2018 02:06:50
Essentially it should be good for everyone involved. Less pressure on pacioretty and a fresh start should help him regain his form habs get a good prospect a decent pick and a player with some skill who will out score patches totals from last year that they can keep or potentially trade again.


23.) 11 Sep 2018 04:21:02
I was referring to every habs fan saying he is a 30+ goal scoring leader. Not just you. One bad season surrounded by all the controversy and now he’s a 17 goal scorer. I’m guessing he bounces back but who knows. I think it was a good deal for Montreal, especially if Suzuki turns out to be good. For the record, I’d take Simmonds in a heart beat and I stayed out of that conversation.


24.) 11 Sep 2018 14:23:41
i don't like that vegas gave up suzuki in the deal, i liked him as a prospect but for a player of caliber of patches you need to give up a big piece, so i understand. it fit bot team's needs and montreal could be dangerous down the middle in a few years once their center prospects develop. good trade for both teams.


25.) 11 Sep 2018 18:46:53
Good trade for both teams right now. Give it a few years and Montreal could be the real winners depending on how Suzuki develops, who that 2nd round pick is, and either how Tatar does or what they get for him if traded.


26.) 12 Sep 2018 09:22:46
Mostly what i was trying to state is that Patches was suppose to, (By habs fans and sports Analyst) haul in way more than a 40-60 ranked prospect a 27 year old 15-20goal scorer (who is not worth a 1st unles 50% retained and i still don't see people doing that) and a 2nd in the 50 - 62 range.

The expectations for patches last year at deadline was (using blues as examples)

Thomas, 1st rnd pick and a roster player or
Kyrou, Kostin 1st roster

LA
Vilardi tofolli +

There was a lot of crazy rumors. There were several Articles that sports writers were writing about getting robert thomas. It was crazy and out of control.

Now you get Suzuki a 2nd and tatar and your ok with that. I think its a little more back peddling like Buffalo did with ROR and less accepting an underwhelming haul.


27.) 12 Sep 2018 15:00:32
We'll redwing you can be a fool and believe everything the media says or you can look at it realistically . If you believe the report la offered vilardi toffoli and their 1st I think you would have to be a fool. And even still if this trade happened there would be some who would still say it wasn't enough. Plus the blues said last year they were not trading thomas or kyrou so both those rumors are out the window. The habs got a consistent 20 goal man a top 30 to 40 prospect IMO and a 2nd which I feel will be around 50th . Even if pacioretty gets back to 30 goals that's still a good return. Let me ask you this patches at 7 mil scores 30 and tater at 4.8 scores 22 in a cap world wouldn't that be close to even?


28.) 12 Sep 2018 19:34:49
Call me a fool then because the expectations from fans and media had you getting a kings ransom. You got pretty much nothing. A cap dump due tatars high salary for his production a crappy second pick and suzuki who is even ranked in most top fifty prospects. I am not trying to knock you Suzuki is a good looking younbg player but the pick at 50-62 is not looking good.

Shattenkirk got a 1st a c/ lw in Zach sanford who actually played in the playoffs and was pretty good till injury and another pick 2nd round conditional pick.

That seemed underwhelming.

We ended up using that pick to get center Brayden SChenn. So yes it was a very underwhelming return for MTL. I think you just are in denial and won't admit it.


29.) 12 Sep 2018 20:13:43
I don't have time right now I may get on later though to point out some of the things you are wrong about. But your starting to sound like someone who said all along they would get nothing for pacioretty and now that they did you are in denial . Lol.


30.) 12 Sep 2018 21:27:30
1st off I don't see how a guy goes from getting a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd at 5.3 mil to being a cap dump at 4.8 mil. Especially after about 30 games. Tater is a more consistent 20 goal scorer then pacioretty is a consistent 30 scorer cause tater has got 20 goals every year except his first full year when he got 19 goals in 73 games. He's not a cap dump by no means at least not yet. Suzuki is a top 50 prospects whether all these lists you talk about have him on it or not. I read a list yesterday that had joe veleno ahead of brady tkachuk and filip zadina so maybe it was that one. the 2nd pick is Columbus so it's probably around 50th.


31.) 12 Sep 2018 21:31:56
So shattenkirk got a first 27th overall, that future superstar zach sand ford and a 2nd. So let's just compare montreal gets a 2017 13th overall pick a 2nd and tomas tater soooo
13th pick = much better then a 27th pick
Tomas tater = much better then zach Sanford
2nd = 2nd. Hope that helps!


32.) 12 Sep 2018 21:37:39
The schenn trade also cost you another 1st along with the one they aquired in the shatt trade. So if montreal trades tater again for a 2nd and drafts a 30 goal winger would you say they won the deal then?


33.) 12 Sep 2018 22:52:21
I think the habs did great. Patches is coming off a terrible season and returned a top C prospect, A replacement and a 2nd round pick. Suzuki seems drastically underrated in this situation.


34.) 12 Sep 2018 23:47:16
Also where are all these top prospect lists that don't have him in the top 50 I just took the time to find 5 and they all had him between 23rd and 38th, 23rd is a little high IMO but the 30 to 35 spot is just about right.


 

 

03 Aug 2018 14:51:27
Buffalo Sabres Lineup:

Jeff Skinner - Jack Eichel - Sam Reinhart
Connor Sheary - Casey Mittelstadt - Kyle Okposo
Alexander Nylander/ Scott Wilson - Patrick Berglund - Evan Rodrigues
Vladimir Sobotka - Zemgus Girgensons - Tage Thompson
**Danny O’Regan, CJ Smith

Rasmus Dahlin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Marco Scandella - Lawrence Pilut
Nathan Beaulieu - Jake McCabe
*Matt Hunwick

Trade Bait: Jason Pominville, Johan Larsson, Zach Bogosian, Casey Nelson, Nic Baptiste, Matt Moulson.

I think that BUF should package all of these pieces together (or a majority of them) to alleviate cap and allow these players to have places to play.

Trade:
(RW) Jason Pominville + (LW) Johan Larsson + (D) Zach Bogosian + (LW) Nic Baptiste to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (D) Jon Merrill + (RW/ IR) David Clarkson + (G) Oscar Dansk + 2020 2nd Round Pick + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Pominville >> Clarkson (Even though Clarkson counts towards IR)
Bogosian > Merrill (Main idea here is to get rid of Bogosians Contract, despite Bogo being better)
Larsson/ Baptiste.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 03 Aug 2018 16:03:27
Lines aren’t bad really don’t think Dahlin will start to year on the 1st pair that’d be a huge mistake he’s 18 and not ready for top pairing minutes and I feel like Tage Thompson will be a little bit higher in the lineup.


2.) 03 Aug 2018 21:59:33
You’re right vbb, you know the disagrees are just Habby lol you could say Montreal is in the province of Quebec and he’s going to disagree with you. His time of the month.

But yeah a lot for buffalo this year depends on goaltending obviously. I like ROR and thought they would be worse without him but after seeing how much they got for him and how little they just gave up for skinner, I’m impressed. Going to be a lot more competitive than I expected, that’s for sure. If Hutton is as good this year as he’s shown in spurts last year, they should might battle for a wild card, or atleast play some meaningful games after February.


3.) 03 Aug 2018 22:35:41
Yeah I agree but I’m not very confident that Huton can effectively handle the workload as a starter but time will tell I think in a few years they’ll start to become a top team as Dahlen and their future draft picks develope.


4.) 03 Aug 2018 22:38:54
I only disagree to your post jim. I'd appreciate if you stopped the name drops lol. If you got to use my name in your posts to make them better then really what does that say about you lol. i actually agree with vbbb here which is somewhat rare lately.


5.) 04 Aug 2018 15:00:22
Hard to say where they put dahlin. Probably depends on preseason if it's first or second pair. Some players thrive on being thrown into the deep end.


6.) 05 Aug 2018 05:09:53
Habby, you click disagree on mine 5 times and agree on yours 5 times lol who’s the one that needs help? Again, I don’t relate my self worth to this, have a full life outside. Keep livin the dream kid.


7.) 05 Aug 2018 05:16:35
Jim what makes you think I do that. are you so sure your right all the time that other people can't hit the disagree button on your post. So it must be me cause heaven forbid someone else disagree with you. and I ain't no kid big boy I've seen my team win a few cups and on it was on a colour tv too.


8.) 06 Aug 2018 20:40:28
Because you’re the only response after most of mine with all the unbelievables, and as pkane pointed out on the last page, after you and I argued, there’s even unbelievables on the confirmed trade i posted lol has you written all over it.

I’ve told you this before, I don’t measure my self worth in your responses. You need to click believable on your own and unbelievable on people you don’t like to make yourself feel superior. Nothing I can do to stop you, and I wouldn’t anyway. You clearly need that in your life. Mines real good man.


9.) 06 Aug 2018 21:43:25
So like my reply above this one which had 0 disagrees the last 2 days and 10 minutes after you came back on here today mysteriously had 3 . hmmmmmmm what do you think went on there jim?


10.) 06 Aug 2018 21:44:49
The level of your paranoia is getting close to the level of your bias. We'll not really but you know what I mean.


11.) 07 Aug 2018 00:01:01
I click agree or disagree once lol I haven’t done more than one.


12.) 07 Aug 2018 05:45:46
Yeah ok jim. Cause you said it then it must be fact lol.


13.) 07 Aug 2018 12:45:40
Okay. Sabres didn't trade for Jeff skinner. I made that up lol.


14.) 07 Aug 2018 15:25:06
I didn't click disagree on that. I had posted the same trade before you why would I disagree. Stop playing the victim man.


 

 

01 Aug 2018 12:47:48
A more realistic idea:

(LW) Mikkel Boedker to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (D) Kris Russell.

- Edmonton could use speedy wingers. Boedker is exactly that. Maybe he revitalizes alongside McDavid. Russell is extra as a DFD with Larsson and Nurse there as better versions of that.
- Ottawa is looking at trading EK. If they do, their blueline will be led by Chabot and Ceci. They could use more help. Russell could be a good mentor for Chabot too and could be a replacement for Methot,

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 01 Aug 2018 13:43:48
if they trade Russell for a winger they create a big hole on D and then rely on a rookie and Benning full time. I would trade for Boadker, but I would trade a winger and a draft pick for him, not Russell. Russell is the only leftie who can play right side well with only Larsson and Benning being righties.
Nurse Larson
Klefbom Russell
Sekera Benning.


2.) 01 Aug 2018 14:06:29
I don’t think it’s bad, makes sense with how you described it but I think Edmonton might have to add a bit. Just because I can’t see Ottawa trading the biggest piece of the hoffman deal so quick without getting prospects and/ or picks while being able to justify it to fans.


3.) 01 Aug 2018 15:30:51
If trading Russel leaves a hole on D, you've got bigger problems.


4.) 01 Aug 2018 22:42:42
Oil signed Reider and now have Aberg so I don’t think Boedker is much of a need right now but I would’ve been all over that last season. But as far as losing Russell they could easily sign someone to eat some minutes. Benning was definitely more effective on the third pairing but signing a bottom pairing vet could still work. And I don’t think they’ll make a major trade now that Bouchard is in the system. Also I can see them wanting to save face in a sense but Boedker has little to no value.


5.) 01 Aug 2018 22:58:25
@yup

Thats also nearly 20 million tied into your d, with Nurse needing pay. Russell>Selera so Ottawa wouldn't take Sekera, and the others are better. You guys need to acquire some help on the wing without depleting your wings further, and I think Russell is the right way to go. And @unsportsmanlike is right 100%. Lol.


6.) 01 Aug 2018 23:17:46
I’m no oilers fan but why does everyone think if a winger is traded there Mcdavid would “revitalize him” would Mikkel Boedker really play 1st line? If that’s the case then take every 37 point player from last yr and trade them to Edmonton and they will be all stars.


7.) 02 Aug 2018 04:53:52
@madeindade28 I didn’t watch all of there games but Boedker had some chemistry with Draisaitl on team Europe during the World Cup or whatever it was called. Again I haven’t watched a ton of Boedker but he plays a similar north south speed game to Hall, who had good chemistry with Draisaitl.


 

 

30 Jul 2018 11:46:24
Weird, Unrealistic Idea:

(RW) William Nylander + (LD) Jake Gardiner to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for (RD) Colton Parayko + (C/ W) Robby Fabbri.

Idk. I’d have a real hard time parting with Nylander, but a return of Parayko is absolutely solid. He’s exactly what Toronto needs. And St. Louis could use a winger to play behind Tarasenko and Willy can also play centre if Schenn takes a step back.

Gardiner and Fabbri are added since Parayko for Nylander is onesided for the Leafs imo, so Gardiner balances the deal out as St. Louis gets a replacement d on the offside. However, Gardiner and Nylander for Colt alone seems unfair, so Fabbri is added as a replacement for Nylander. Fabbris lost a lot of value after his injuries and can bounce back in TO imo.

Lineup:
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Robby Fabbri
Andreas Johnsson - Nazem Kadri - Kasperi Kapanen
Tyler Ennis - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 30 Jul 2018 13:52:54
But value wise Parayko > Nylander even if Gardiner = Fabri which I think Fabri has a little more value than Gardiner straight up as well.
Blue decline, easily. Take out Fabri and I don't think I would even part ways with Parayko.


2.) 30 Jul 2018 13:54:21
I don't get this trade

Parayko> Nylander

Fabbri> Gardiner

How is this fair for St Louis. Ok you're going to say Fabbri is fragile fair enough. But once he's says healthy he's going to be a 50+ point player that's not even 23 yet. So yes he's worth more then Gardiner.


3.) 30 Jul 2018 14:11:24
Colt, so a 50 point forward is worth more than a 50 point dman? Your argument seems way off.


4.) 30 Jul 2018 14:24:42
I think it’s close. I would understand people saying Gardiner and Fabbri being added doesn’t make up for the gap between Nylander and parayko. That’s fair to say. But a guy that you hope can one day be a 50 pt player is not more valuable than a 27 year old top 4 d that QBs a PP and puts up 50+ pts while making $4mill lol that’s like me saying Connor Brown had 20 goals and I hope he could reach 45-50 pts so the Hurricanes would need to add in a Brown for Faulk deal haha that’s dumb.


5.) 30 Jul 2018 15:23:21
lets break this down a bit
Parayko 5.5 mil 4 years
fabbri 925k 1 year then rfa

Gardnier 4.05Mil 1 year UFA
Nylander notsigned rfa

parayko >> Nylander
Parayko >> Gardnier

Fabbri >Gardnier (contract rfa control)
Nylander > Fabbri

Blues are at the cap and need to sign Schmaltz. Taking on Gardnier and Nylander would be impossible. Also Blues do not have a RHD able to take Paraykos mins (24 a night) Gardnier is LHD and we already have Edmondson, Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. SO not a positional need. Also with blues getting ROR, Perron, Bozak, Maroon and with Thomas and Kyrou coming up they are set on wingers. Maybee before the ror trade but not now. Just doesn't make sense.


6.) 30 Jul 2018 16:20:22
Agree with redwing aside from the fact that Gardiner.


7.) 30 Jul 2018 16:47:39
Really guys? Fabbri => Gardiner? Cmon. He was a 50 point dman last year. No way you can say a guy who has a career high of 37 points and missed all of last year is better. And if Gardiner was going to design, I think it’s close. Parayko > Nylander yes, but I do think Gardiners gap if resigned over Fabri makes up. Add a 2nd or so if so needed. Nylander has 70 pt potential.


8.) 30 Jul 2018 18:12:01
Fabbri is making 925k and is RFA after this year we need his ELC status till Jaybo and Gunner are gone freeing up 8.3 mil. plus 4-6 million in dead weight.

Gardnier is going to want more money, And he is LHD. We have 4 LHD currently Edmondson, Vince Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. We don't need Gardnier. Blues also have Jake walman and a few others in the waiting to get into the nhl and they are entry level.

This trade doesn't make sense. Blues are set all their weaknesses, (goalie RW) are going to be filled internally by thomasKyrou Kostin Husso Fitzpatrick Binnginton, Peronovich, Bokk, Wallman.

They will all be on elcs and rfa status. they also have depth players power forward like players in Nolan Stevens and Eric Foley.


9.) 30 Jul 2018 19:03:53
I’m not saying blues need Gardiner or blues do the deal. All I’m saying is calling Fabbri better than Gardiner shows that it’s just a personal bias, not reality. Again, it’s the brown over Faulk thing.


10.) 30 Jul 2018 21:37:52
No Jim it shows value and teams needs considerations.

Fabbri was on pace and predicted to be as good as Nylander his first year he scored 18 goals as a 19 year old rookie and in 10 less games. he was hendered by his knee injury but i would say has the highest bust / ceiling differential in the league for 925k due to his knee. On top of that Blues do not Need UFA LHD, the notion that people keep putting around him, " oh you can sign him the following year", is personic, We could just sign him the following offseason, but we don't need him. As for nylander great player a little soft but great player. I am tired of hearing about potential if nylander is 30 goal 70 poiny player then parayko is 15 goal 60 point dman, right.

Any way if you take into accoutn team needs. Capp issues, Cam contract control Blues are better of the way they are and that is not Bias that's the truth.


11.) 30 Jul 2018 23:38:30
Value is there but blues have no reason to trade Parayko when their forward core included ROR, Tarasenko, Schwartz, steen, Bozak, Schenn and have guys like kyrou and Thompson ready to make the jump to the NHL. Like i said value is there but the motivation or need isn’t there.


12.) 30 Jul 2018 23:56:04
For the record, because people always seem to read-to-respond instead of read-to-understand.
I said I believe Fabbri has more value than Gardiner straight up. Just value wise with all things considered as redwing pointed out.


13.) 30 Jul 2018 23:57:35
For some reason., I think at the end of all there careers. Nylander maybe the best outta him Mathews and Marner. you have Tavares., so shop the American. and get a good ridiculous return, then the Leafs will win a cup. .
Go get OEL.


14.) 31 Jul 2018 01:13:23
Mathews is much better then Tavares and it’s not even close Mathews is better offensively and defensively Mathews is miles better he makes Tavares look like a PeeWee player in comparison Mathews is the best defensive forward sense Bergeron. Also Tavares has played for 7 more season and still hasn’t eclipsed Mathews totals. Mathews is atleast two tiers better.


15.) 31 Jul 2018 05:35:36
Mathews isn't as good as Tavares. VB. he may be down the road., but not at this point in his career. Ya he had a better goal scoring season. so what. Ovechkin gets more than anyone, however there are a couple dozen players in league better than him.
So get rid of the American, send him to Phoenix, get OEL and some pieces. Mathews is a hot commodity. m so get a complete team and win a cup.
Leafs went win with what they have now. Tampa is still the Superior team.


16.) 31 Jul 2018 06:17:24
Ovechkin is a winger, not great defensively huge difference. Please tell me how Tavares>Mathews teach me your expertise because apparently you know more then every TSN panellist and ALMOST every hockey writer.


17.) 31 Jul 2018 06:41:35
Lol. well some of em are pretty dumb. tsn guys.

Anyway. when Mathews can sustain a few years of being a star, and make others arounf him better, like Tavares, I will concede he may be the better player. however. he's not there yet. I'm jus saying, no way these guys are in same level as Tampa, close. but why not get there.


18.) 31 Jul 2018 13:50:22
Lol that’s like the 3rd time in the last cpl weeks a habs fan has said leafs should trade Matthews and sound serious. It’s funny because a true #1 centre is a Unicorn to you guys and we have 2. Stop the jealousy, worry about fixing the train wreck in Montreal instead of trying to justify us trading a 20 year old point per game centre, with size, a 200 ft game, lethal goal scorer, good faceoffs and great chemistry with his teammates lol absolutely no point to move that guy. Oilers should trade Mcdavid for D help because I Believe draisatl will have better numbers after 15 years, see how dumb that is?


19.) 31 Jul 2018 14:14:04
Leafs will not trade Mathews.


20.) 31 Jul 2018 13:54:50
Nylander is arguably the 6th best player on the leafs. Just because he’s better than your best in Montreal doesn’t mean he’s going to have a better career than a Matthews or Marner lol

1) Matthews
2) Tavares
3) Marner
Rielly/ Nylander/ Kadri (any order of these Guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be argued)


21.) 31 Jul 2018 17:59:21
And that’s just skaters, doesn’t factor in Freddy Andersen who was 4th in Vezina voting.


22.) 31 Jul 2018 21:08:48
Ya really think I'm jealous Jim? I was stating my opinion on the 3 Kids. I feel Nylander could be the better of em. fine trade him.
I would love to see the Leafs win a cup., all I have been trying to say is I don't think they have the team yet to do it. So, with 2 number one centers. both Franchise guys. why not sell one of em for top $. you could get a Stud Dman. and maybe even have a dynasty.

Leafs are close. but I feel they need more D.
As for my team. ya it's a wreck. It reminds me of the Leafs of the 80s, is what it is. Until the philosophy of having to have French Canadian coaches and GMs is put to rest and just have the best man for the job. will be for years to come.


23.) 31 Jul 2018 23:03:16
Look at the last few cups. Crosby/ Malkin twice and backstrom/ kuznetsov. You’re right Sosa, 2 top centres is not the path to success. It was Ron Hainsey and Justin Schultz playing top pair that won the cup for the penguins in 2016, I forgot.


24.) 31 Jul 2018 23:29:56
And You just said you’re sick of the habs only wanting French people on the organization, then why keep referring to Auston Matthews as ‘the amerocan’?! Because I don’t care where a guy is born or what jersey he wears internationally, as long as he pours his heart out for the leafs from October to June. Just seems pretty hypocritical. .


25.) 01 Aug 2018 00:43:28
The leafs trading Mathews would be like the Canadians trading a 20 year old Jean Béliveau except Mathews will probably be the more dominant player ( hard to compare but you get the stupidity in your comment ) Mathews is already the greatest player to wear a leafs jersey.


26.) 01 Aug 2018 02:26:35
Ok. really don't want to deal with Biased Goof and Virgin Balls.
You boys win. . lol. good luck! . really hope you win a cup.
Ummm Jim Crosby and Malkin. better than both your centers. so was there damn goalie. And depth players.
Vb. your jus a kid. so ya get a pass. But. Big Jean schooled your team for years. so until you win.
Shut up. lol.


27.) 01 Aug 2018 05:02:18
Jim is biased that's a given but vbbbvvbb is taking it to the next level lately. Matthews after 2 seasons of not getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs is already the best player in franchise history lol. what does that say about everyone else that ever donned the leafs jersey? it wasn't that long ago the leafs had a guy named doug gilmour who done much more and played better, harder and better defensively then matthews has played up to this point. But that was in the 90s vbbbvvbb you probably weren't born then. With regards to beliveau we are not exactly at the point yet where you should be comparing matthews to a hall of fame legend. cause guess what. if Matthews retired tomorrow he wouldn't get into the hall.


28.) 01 Aug 2018 05:07:26
It was a friendly argument and you clearly lost after insulting us. But anyway cheers. Béliveau was an all time great but I believe Mathews will be in the same tier. Béliveau was 2nd to Howe. Mathews is 2nd to McDavid for this current generation.


29.) 01 Aug 2018 06:59:33
C’mon habby. That’s the 2nd time you’ve mentioned “Matthews” not getting out of the 1st round. I believe it’s a team sport. “McDavid” didn’t even make the playoffs, he must be a bag of sh*t then? The hell with both of them, I’d rather Tom Wilson, he won the cup.


30.) 01 Aug 2018 14:14:16
I know that leafs 17 but my point was hold off on the beliveau comparison until he gets out of the first round lol.


31.) 01 Aug 2018 15:47:05
Yah I was born in 2001 so unfortunately I haven’t seen Dougie G play but I do agree with what you’re saying to be able to Compare the 3 Mathews has to play 10+ more seasons my point is the notion of trading Mathews is personic.

@Habby.


32.) 01 Aug 2018 16:11:27
@Habby, saying ‘trading Matthews is dumb’is me being biased? Lol 😂 and saying he’s more valuable at 20 than Tavares at 27 or marner at 20 is biased?! They’re all leafs lol. All I said is don’t trade a 20 year old star Centerman and that habs fans shouldn't be trying to fix the leafs by doing so. That’s not biased. That’s common sense.


33.) 01 Aug 2018 16:15:23
And Sosa, I never said Matthews and JT were better than Malkin/ Crosby. Or backstrom/ kuznetsov. Never said that at all. READ! Lol I said great centre depth has won the last 3 cups. It’s a fact, you can look that up to if you can sound out the words.

I could only imagine your response if you had 2 great players at the most important position in their prime and a leaf fan told you it’s a mistake to keep them both lol.


34.) 01 Aug 2018 17:51:47
No jim I had considered you biased long before this post lol.


35.) 01 Aug 2018 21:17:15
You think I’m biased because I told you you overvalue paccioretty and after months of actively shopping him, habs haven’t been able to find someone to give them good value. Again, that’s just looking at the reality of a situation.


36.) 01 Aug 2018 21:43:41
It’s not biased to point out that currently, contracts situations and all, there’s not a single skater on the Habs that could be traded 1-for-1 for our top 6 skaters. Anyone with common sense when it comes to hockey would see that habs best 3 players are Weber, patches and Drouin. None of those straight up gets you Nylander, Kadri or Rielly 4/ 5/ 6 as I said above.

And I know the whole TSN Toronto sports network complainers will come out soon, how it’s all media driven and that, but TSN doesn’t own Bodog, TSN doesn’t influence Vegas betting odds. Vegas betting odds are far from a guarantee how things will shake out, but it shows it’s far from just us ‘biased leaf fans’ that know how good this team is.


37.) 02 Aug 2018 02:32:20
Jim why can't you admit you are biased? I'm biased see it isn't that hard. Everyone on here value their teams players a little more then they are worth, you included. Maybe you are not as bad as some but your still biased.


38.) 02 Aug 2018 13:08:30
I like almost every leaf player because I watch them more and get to know them a bit. But I like a handful of players of almost every team in the league, all based on merit. I’ve criticized complete organizations before when they’re a screw up and it’s not biased to see those teams making brutal decisions on a monthly basis. I’ve never changed my opinion on a player because he changes address (like saying Kerry Rychel of the marlies is a bust one week, and a possible good 3rd liner 10 days later when he’s traded to the habs Lol or giving me a hard time for saying galchenyuk wasn’t very good and then he hadn’t even tried on his coyotes jersey yet and you called him spare parts and said how habs easily won the trade for domi even though every stat and number says otherwise lol

Tell me when I’ve ever changed my opinion of a player based on the jersey they wear? Because that’s what shows team bias. I didn’t like PK subban as a hab, don’t loke him as a Pred. Loved Shea Weber as a pred, don’t love him being a hab because he’s great, but don’t think less of him. Only ever criticized his contract which was equally bad in any city. And you never read me criticizing JT or Freddy Andersen or aPatrick Marleau before we acquired them, because I think the same about them now as I dod before, just happy they play here.


39.) 02 Aug 2018 15:27:42
And as always when your questioned about being biased you create BS stories about what other people said to make them seem more bias then you lol. Your awesome man.


40.) 02 Aug 2018 16:32:54
It’s not BS. Colt said the Kerby Rychel thug and you defended him when I questioned him on it. And he galchenyuk one was between you and I right after he was traded. Not that long ago. Maybe it’s my young memory.


41.) 03 Aug 2018 00:03:10
It's called selective memory I think.


 

 

 

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22 Sep 2018 00:32:52
@MJ

They’re extremely topheavy. After their sick first line, your relying on a KHL Nichuskin, Faksa who is a better defensive forward, and a bunch of questions.

Defense is good, and is much better than before, but is not top ten in the league.

And Bishop has fallen out of league favour pretty fast, imo; is barely a top15 goalie in the league anymore.

Theyre good, i'd say they make the playoffs, but their depth has really been exposed. theyd have to rely on Minny and Chicago falling out which is likely, but i'd probably take COL over them tvh.

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21 Sep 2018 20:25:58
Lol, that package probabky doesn't even get Jones.

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20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?

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20 Sep 2018 17:01:45
I like it, althoigh, still seems slightly underwhelming of a return, just because of Willys youth compared to Millers. maybe an added pick like a 2nd and Toronto adds in a guy like Freddy Gauthier? Idk.

I don't mind this tho. Would (obv) prefer to hang onto willly, as most would.

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16 Sep 2018 13:55:47
‘Nylander and liljegren’


Hahahahahahahhahahah.

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