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20 Jan 2019 23:38:09
Boston Bruins Trade:
David Backes [6.0 Million x 3 Years]
Danton Heinen [0.872 Million x 1 Year]
Urho Vaakanainen [0.925 Million x 3 Years]
Jakob Fosbacka-Karlsson [0.916 Million x 1 Year]
2019 2nd Round Draft Selection
2020 3rd Round Draft Selection

St. Louis Blues Trade:
Brayden Schenn [5.15 Million x 2 Years]
Nikita Soshnikov [0.800 Million x 2 Years]
Patrick Maroon [1.500 Million x 1 Year]

Essentially, Boston acquires Brayden Schenn for a slightly higher cost than Rick Nash last year, since Schenn has an extra year on his contract. JFK and the 2nd offset for Backes' contract, while the 3rd goes straight for Maroon. Schenn hauls Vaak, the Bruins top defensive prospect who is an a-lister in most books, and Heinen, who was solid last year and took a step back this year. [I think St. Louis would rather Heinen than Bjork/ Donato although idk]

Bruins Lineup:
Marchand - Bergeron - Pastranak
Schenn - Krejci - Debrusk
Cehlarik - Donato - Maroon
Kuraly - Acciari - Wagner

Blues Lineup:
Schwratz - O'Rielly - Tarasenko
Heinen - Bozak - Perron
Sanford - Sundqvist - Kyrou
Backes - JFK - Steen.

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08 Jan 2019 22:34:49
Deadline Deal:

Los Angeles Trades: Jake Muzzin [LD - 2.0 Million (50% Salary Retention - Original Salary: 4.0 Million) x 2 Years] + Kyle Clifford [LW - 0.7 Million (50% Salary Retention - Original Salary: 1.4 Million) x 2 Years]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [LW - 0.80 Million x 3 Years] + Garrett Sparks [G - 0.70 Million x 1 Year] + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.

Imo, this is a lesser version of the McDonagh trade. Basically, the way I see it, Sparks = Clifford, Sparks goes instead of Woll/ Scott because the Kings could use a young, NHL ready goalie rather than a prospect, then the rest of the pieces are for Muzzin. Grundstrom is easily an NHL Forward next year, and with LA's depleted team, could slot into a chance he'd never get in Toronto. The 1st and 2nd are two picks that would be nice to have in the upcoming drafts for a team without much prospect depth. To be honest, I'd willingly part with another B-C tier prospect on top of the package, [Bracco, Borgman, Rosen, etc] or even a guy like Connor Brown, just not Liljegren or Sandin - for a guy like Muzzin who is a #3 guy with only a year left, it just isn't worth it on top of a 1st and Grundstrom.

Toronto Lineup:
Johnsson/ Matthews/ Nylander
Kapanen/ Tavares/ Marner
Marleau/ Kadri/ Hyman
Clifford/ Lindholm/ Brown [Ennis]

Rielly/ Muzzin
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey [Ozhiganov]

[I know I said Muzzin is a #3, and he is. He's not a #2, he's just the most capable out of the remainder on Toronto's blueline to play #2].

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1.) 09 Jan 2019 03:38:52
I’d imagine LA wants better prospect.


2.) 09 Jan 2019 04:05:59
I don't have any real issue with the value here but why would LA want sparks? The two backups they already have have been better. Plus they still have quick as of now.


3.) 09 Jan 2019 11:45:07
@Habby

True, maybe Woll or Scott instead of Sparks. I just saw that organizationally, the Kings don’t have much goaltending depth, so i wanted to add one in, in case they might trade a guy like Quick away, then its just Campbell whos young

& @McJ

Idk who I’d put in, cause for just Muzzin, doesn't Liljegren + 1st + 2nd seem like a high price? Cause Grundstrom, by my accounts, is the leafs third best prospect and imo the Leafs best forward prospect, unless people like Trevor Moore more, cause Grundstrom is almosy a lock to become an NHL Forward, and be that middle six grinder forward.


4.) 09 Jan 2019 15:37:48
They do have some goalie depth in the organization just not any highly touted goalies after quick. But sparks doesn't improve this. I think if they trade muzzin they would at least want to improve in another area.


5.) 09 Jan 2019 15:53:56
If they don’t want Borgman, then Bracco right Rosen is it. Like you said, and a-prospect like Sandin or Liljegren is too much for an old bottom pairing LHD. Muzzin would be good to help fill the gap left by Gardiner’s departure. He lends support until Sandin is ready. I don’t for one second believe Rosen will be as good as Muzzin in that spot.


6.) 10 Jan 2019 14:25:36
I honestly don’t see how this is comparable to the McDonagh trade even if lesser. Tampa gave up a first and a second (maybe 2 firsts), Namestnikov, Howden and Hajek and got no retention. They got better players, but the retention adds and the prospects here don’t compare to what Tampa gave up (and McDonagh was hurt when traded as well) . Muzzin is a legit 2nd pair D and I’ve heard him called LAs best Dman so far this year.


 

 

16 Dec 2018 21:40:27
Not the most likely trade, but an idea:

Philadelphia Trades: Wayne Simmonds [RW - 3.975 Million x 1 Year] + Michal Neuvirth [G - 2.500 Million x 1 Year] + 2020 4th Round Draft Pick

Colorado Trades: Semyon Varlamov [G - 5.900 Million x 1 Year] + Matt Nieto [LW - 1.975 Million x 2 Years].

With Grubauer the likely future starter in Colorado, Varlamov is likely to depart as a UFA. Philadelphia could desperately use a player like him, and potentially, he could salvage the season in Philly, especially with a new HC [Q] who can change the mindsets of the players. With JVR/ Konecny/ Voracek on the wings, Simmonds seems to be on the outside, and could potentially be trade bait for a goalie such as Varly.

Colorado, as aforementioned, has goaltending stability with Grub, and could use some serious offensive depth beyond their potent first line, and Simmonds helps with that mightily. Neuvirth is more suited for a backup role than Varlamov, and could benefit from a change in scenery.

Philadelphia Lineup:
van Riemsdyk - Giroux - Konecny
Nieto - Couturier - Voracek
Lindblom - Patrick - Laughton
Raffl - Weal - Weise

Provorov - Gudas
Sanheim - Ghost
Hagg - Folin

Varlamov
Elliott

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Colorado Lineup:
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Jost - Kerfoot - Simmonds
Compher - Soderberg - Andrighetto
Kamenev - Wilson - Calvert

Girard - Johnson
Cole - Barrie
Nemeth - Zadorov

Grubauer
Neuvirth.

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1.) 17 Dec 2018 01:42:07
Valaryamov is garbage imo.


2.) 17 Dec 2018 01:52:50
That’s putting a lot of faith in Grubauer. His record is good, but his stats don’t look so hot. You got the right idea though. Philly definitely needs a goalie. They must be really hoping and praying Hart works out.


 

 

10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

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1.) 11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.


2.) 11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.


3.) 11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.


4.) 11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.


5.) 11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.


6.) 11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?


7.) 11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.


8.) 11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.


9.) 11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.


10.) 11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.


11.) 11 Dec 2018 18:25:21
@LeafsGM. I see what you’re saying, my point is that we have a window here where we are have a legit chance of wining a cup. I’m not saying completely forget about the future and worry only about today, but Petro could really be the difference we need. I’m willing to figure out other stuff later. I’m not worrying about who is going to replace the RHD man that we haven’t even acquired yet. If you have a chance to get a prime aged really good player in the position of most need on our roster, I’m doing it.


 

 

04 Dec 2018 23:17:20
If Carolina falls out of a playoff position come Feburary:

Toronto Maple Leafs Acquire: Michael Ferland [LW- 1.75 Million x 1 Year] + Trevor van Riemsdyk [D - 1.15 Million x 2 Years (50% Salary Retention) ]

Carolina Hurricanes Acquire: 2019 1st Round Draft Selection + Joseph Woll [G - Unsigned] + 2020 5th Round Draft Selection.

Basically, Toronto acquires some depth on defence, to give Hainsey some nights off, and possibly Ozhiganov as well. Plus, if TVR is a 1.15 million, he helps with the cap crunch next year. Ferland is the big piece, and he helps with the lack of physicality on this Maple Leaf team.

Carolina would be out of the playoffs in this position, hence, they acquire futures, and the first is huge to get for a rental in Ferland. TVR is also added due to Carolina's surplus of dmen, and due to their cap space, they retain salary and get Woll back in return, a goalie who could be of help in the future, and could form a tandem with Ned.

Trading a 1st seems costly, but Toronto basically goes all-in with their roster, hoping to win a cup this year. Plus, the roster stays in tact, they get a rental who can provide physicality and a dman for next year. And remember, TVR was traded for a 2nd. Ferland ain't worth a 1st by himself, so Woll and a 5th makes up for the addition.

Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Ferland - Kadri - Kapanen
Johnsson/ Ennis - Lindholm - Brown/ Ennis

Rielly - van Riemsdyk/ Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Ozhiagnov/ Hainsey.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 05 Dec 2018 00:09:34
@TSS

Very little here to disagree with. I always enjoy your proposals. Well thought out and make a lot of sense. I also like how you put the players salaries and contract durations in your posts as well. Extremely helpful in aiding the reader quickly assess a proposal. I think you are pretty close here in what you are suggesting. To be honest, the only thing I am not in full agreement is including Woll. Carolina has Nedeljkovic already. If we give them Woll, we lose our best goalie prospect. I kinda like the thought of having a highly rated goalie prospect in the organization to act as a hedge for Andersen if we feel we can’t afford to re-sign him and don’t feel comfortable enough with Sparks as starter.

Very good. If Carolina misses the playoffs this year they have a handful of decent UFA’s that will likely be shopped. Ferland is a good target. Not losing anyone off the current roster while bringing in Ferland and TVR can’t possibly hurt us in any way. If Carolina doesn’t get a better offer, then this trade has a chance at becoming reality.


2.) 05 Dec 2018 02:27:50
@LeafsGm. Check out Ian Scott. Woll is an extra year or two along maybe but this kid has a chance too. Was the goalie for the WHL vs Russia series and should be WJC goalie. Unbelievable numbers this year, albeit on a great team too, but with freddy locked up, Sparks still coming along and Scott tearing it up, I wouldn’t let Woll be the reason not to add what we need this year. We are all in for sure.


3.) 05 Dec 2018 05:23:26
Oh. Woll wouldn’t be a deal breaker or anything Jim. Just thinking out loud is all. Scott is having an outstanding year on an outstanding team. Speaking of Raiders, what do you think of Leason Jim? I mean, wow.

Scott is WHL goalie of the year. His gaa is so small I had to squint to see it. He’s a while away from making it as NHL starter though. Last I checked Woll ranked much higher, but that can change fairly rapidly.

This trade really doesn’t hurt us in anyway. And our 3rd string prospect player goalie is not a deal breaker by any means. If Leafs get a chance to pull trigger on a deal like this, I really hope they would. It just makes so much sense though that it probably wouldn’t get done.


4.) 05 Dec 2018 20:41:19
Ferland is out with a concussion, with not knowing if it's a long term injury and being a UFA after this season makes no sense for the Leafs to make that trade.


5.) 05 Dec 2018 21:15:22
I think that's definitely not enough for those two. To be fair I don't know much about Woll and his value (ik he's playing well at BC) but for a guy like Ferland who is a great type of player to have on a playoff team, plays with grit and is on pace for 30+ goals this year and seems to be growing every year (26 is still relatively young) TVR is a very solid middle-bottom pairing RHD, i'd say the leafs would have to throw in a guy like johnsson, wouldn't really have a big role on the Leafs and i think the hurricanes would want someone to help out their team immediately considering they're a tweener team. Def not a bad trade though.


6.) 06 Dec 2018 05:20:54
@shmoesports, I agree. Makes sense. I would add a piece, not sure of it would be Johnsson though. Maybe Johnsson and drop the later pick or something?

@pinball, if you’re thinking that trading pieces for guys that are older than what you’re giving up or on expiring contracts makes no sense, then you’re not ready to cheer for a contender lol that’s what they do. We are all in these next few years. Try to win the cup at just about all costs each season for the next 3 years before Rielly, Kadri and Andersen all need new contracts and it gets a lot harder.

Late firsts, seconds and decent young players are going to be moved out to bring it what you need each year and what we need this year is size and grit up front in a player that can still play with skilled players and contribute (Ferland) and D help, preferably on the right side who is mobile and can move the puck out of our zone quickly to the offense we have (TVR) .


 

 

 

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20 Jan 2019 23:23:21
If Tarasenko goes to Boston, which is unlikely, Debrusk is the main piece heading back, not Heinen imo.

It'll probably be centered around Debrusk + Carlo + Bjork + 1st + something else, imo.

If he does get traded, it'll be a better return than what Kessel got due to the age imo. I don't know if Boston's the right fit for another star though, I think Brayden Schenn works as a better option for them.

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20 Jan 2019 18:03:27
I mean, if we're going by draft position, we can look at a guy like Lawson Crouse who was drafted only a year before Max Jones, plays a similar style, and has busted out pretty hard in Arizona, even if they give him playing time.

Jones is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. But really, if we're talking a matter of appx. two years of age, one guys in the NHL playing 2nd Line minutes [Johnsson >>>> guys like Connor Brown who are 3rd liners] and one guy still has to prove his worth, I'd be taking the proven guy. Only time that isn't the case is if the prospect really is top-notch, but really, Jones is basically #50 in the NHL, and his style of player just isn't as popular in todays NHL.

Plus, Jones' AHL production and OHL production really doesn't tout him as much better than Johnsson. His +1 year was 36 in 33 and his +2 year was 24 in 29 - hampered by injuries a lot too. His inaugral AHL season wasn't terrible, 24 in 32 is pretty good, but Johnsson's rookie year was 47 in 75, the next year, PPG [54 in 54]. You can't call one to be a 'top prospect' and the other to be 'a 3rd line guy', when their statistics in the same league at the same age were basically identically. And draft position isn't anything to be crowned over, just because Johnsson's a seventh round pick doesn't mean I'd take Frederik Gauthier over him [both were 2013 picks]. I put Johnsson in the same talent range as Kasperi Kapanen, and tbh, I'd value both higher than Max Jones atm - unless Jones proves at the NHL level he's better, i'm sticking with that.

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20 Jan 2019 14:03:28
Johnssons what, three years older and has 21 points in like 40 games in his rookie season. I even said ‘not by much’. Johnsson’s done something at the NHL level atm, and Jones still has to prove himself there. I get where your coming from with the potential side, but Jones’ junior numbers aren’t all that eye catching that show that he’ll develop into better than what Johnsson’s producing right now.

And I even said, if we want Manson, you take Johnsson and Jones out and add like Kapanen/ Nylander to the package.

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20 Jan 2019 00:02:57
First one could work. Smith's cap doesn't make him appealing hence he'd probably lower Dzingel's value. I don't mind it, maybe just make the 2020 pick with no condition.

Second trade no way. Spooner has relatively no value, Benning maybe gets the 2nd and Lucic nearly fully cancels out the 1st.

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20 Jan 2019 00:00:25
Johnsson > Jones, not by much though.

Rest of the package doesn't get Manson.

If it's Manson we're going after, imo, its going to take Kapanen + Bracco + 1st or something based around Nylander without the inclusion of Jones.

And islandjet, quit the hyperbole. The Ducks just lost 12 straight, Johnsson doesn't have 'problems cracking the Ducks lineup'.

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