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14 Nov 2018 02:17:25
Spin on the Nylander sweepstakes.

Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW [Extension] - 7.5 Million x 7 Years) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.675 Million x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Justin Holl (RD - 0.625 Million x 2 Years) + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Chicago Trades: Henri Jokiharju (RD - 0.925 Million x 3 Years) + Brandon Saad (LW - 6.00 Million x 3 Years) + John Hayden (RW - 0.750 Million x 2 Years) + Jan Ruuta (RD - 2.25 Million x 1 Year) .

Chicago is on an eight game losing streak. They just fired one of the best coaches in franchise history, and still are losing. Bowman may need to make a last ditch effort to save the team. Saad is definitely in the doghouse in Chicago and could use a change of scenery. His cap makes him less valuable, however, he could rebound making what Ny SHOULD make in Toronto. Jokiharju is the big piece, a young RHD who is playing well on a bad team. However, if Chicago wants to bring in a stud like Ny, either Boqvist or Joki is going the other way. Hayden is a grinder who could be nice in Toronto’s bottom six, and Rutta could help take some pressure of Hainsey every game.

As for Chicago, they acquire a stud first line winger to compliment Toews, or a solid 2C to compliment Patrick Kane. He could be a 60-70 point guy easily, and could give some more offensive depth to Chicagos top heavy team. Replacing Saad with Nylander is a big upgrade, despite the downgrade on defence. Leivo and Holl are decent enough depth guys, and the 3rd is good for Rutta.

Toronto Healthy Lineup:
Brandon Saad - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown/ Tyler Ennis
Andreas Johnsson - Par Lindholm - John Hayden

Morgan Rielly - Ron Hainsey/ Jan Rutta
Jake Gardiner - Henri Jokiharju
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
*Igor Ozhiagnov



Chicago Healthy Lineup:
Alexandre Fortin - Jonathan Toews - William Nylander
Alex DeBrincat - Nick Schmaltz - Patrick Kane
Josh Leivo - Artem Anisimov - Dominik Kahun
Chris Kunitz - David Kampf - Luke Johnson

Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook
Erik Gustafsson - Connor Murphy
Brandon Manning - Gustav Forsling.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 14 Nov 2018 04:45:17
I like how you targeted Chicago here. Big changes coming there for sure. You know what else I really like is how you always include salaries beside each player. Makes it so much easier to assess your posts. I always enjoy reading your posts because they are so well thought out.

My take in this trade is that Saad’s contract is a real boat anchor. I would be loathe to take that on if I was Leafs management. If we do Chicago that favor, then Jokiharju or Boqvist would have to be incuded to make this trade a reality.

I don’t like the idea of Saad as the cap dump to make salaries work, but love the idea of snagging Boqvist or Jokiharju. I’m not sure Chicago is looking at dumping their young stars yet. More likely an aging Keith or Seabrook get traded to cap floor team first. But if this proposal was floated, Leafs would have to seriously consider it I would think.


2.) 14 Nov 2018 17:45:15
No way Chicago sells the future to get rid if sadd, he's outta quenvilles doghouse so expect him to start producing, of course leafs would consider, same production sadd- nylander for cheaper, plus a huge upgrade on the garbage coming back, no brainer for leafs.


3.) 14 Nov 2018 21:24:36
nope. boqvist and jokiharju are going to be untouchables in chicago.


 

 

06 Nov 2018 21:56:55
Nashville Trades: Dante Fabbro [Unsigned] + Miikka Salomaki [0.750 Million x 2 Years] + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.
NY Rangers Trade: Mats Zuccarello [4.500 Million x 1 Year] + Kevin Hayes [5.300 Million x 1 Year (50% Retention Additionally) ] + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Nashville goes 'all-in' acquiring two of the best UFA's on the market. They can afford to part with Fabbro since they have all of their top four locked-up longterm. Strengthen up their depth as well.
- New York packages both of their best trade assets for two solid pieces, a 1st, and a young dman who simply, most likely won't have a place on a currently all-in Predators team. Fabbro helps with New York's lackluster defensive prospect pool, and an additional first is always welcome.

Nashville Lineup:
Forsberg - Johansen - Zuccarello
Hayes - Turris - Fiala
Jarnkrok - Bonino - Smith
Hartman - Sissons - Grimaldi.

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1.) 06 Nov 2018 22:57:48
Arvidsson? 😱 as for the trade I think Nashville should keep Fabbro or the first and only go after one of the two players. 🤷🏻‍♀️.


2.) 06 Nov 2018 23:45:11
I think NYR can get more for those two guys. If you trade them each to different teams, should be worth combined a couple first round picks plus prospect players. You’re not exactly robbing NYR grave here, but you aren’t exactly handing them the key to a rebuild either: Fabbro is a question mark still, Salomaki is junk, and the 1st will likely be a mid 20’s pick. It’s more like a chevette than a corvette for NYR, if you see what I’m saying.


3.) 07 Nov 2018 00:26:21
I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOMEONE!

I checked dailyfaceoff and they didn’t have him listed, lol.


 

 

06 Nov 2018 10:05:37
Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW [Extension] - 7.500 Million x 7 Years) + Andreas Borgman (0.925 Million x 1 Year) + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection.
Carolina Trades: Jaccob Slavin (LD - 5.300 Million x 7 Years) + Valentin Zykov (LW - 0.675 Million x 2 Years)

Just like Jones/ Johansen, Sergachev/ Drouin, Larsson/ Hall, I feel as though the only way Nylander gets traded is for ONE excellent piece, and other minor throw-ins from both ends. Jones/ Johansen and Larsson/ Hall were both straight up, Serg/ Drouin had some picks here and there, but its mainly player for player.
I feel as though Pesce simply isn't that number one dman that Toronto could need. If we're trading Nylander, I don't want Pesce + Ferland + X Forward, etc. It should be a straight swap imo. Zykov/ Borgman are simply included for positional depth lost. Slavin, although on the left side, is a solid shutdown dman, who would compliment Rielly well if Rielly played the opposite side.
As for Nylander, he'd be able to play 1C or RW on Carolina, and would be able to thrive as the big name in a market which can afford to pay him.

Carolina Lineup:
Teravainen - Nylander - Aho
Foegele - Staal - Williams
Ferland - Wallmark - Svechnikov
McGinn - Roy - Martinook

De Haan - Hamilton
van Riemsdyk - Pesce
Fleury - Faulk

Toronto Lineup:
Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Zykov - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Leivo

Slavin - Rielly
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey.

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1.) 06 Nov 2018 11:12:31
The way Reilly has played this year and last, he’s not the one playing the opposite side. The shutdown dman moves sides. Anyways, value wise doesn’t seem too far off.


2.) 06 Nov 2018 12:16:02
I don’t think it’s great value wise for Carolina tbh. Nylander is great as a winger hasn’t really proven himself as an NHL center and that’s a large contract. Slavin is just as good or better on the back end with a much nicer contract. Even if they are equal talent wise Slavin gets more value from contract and position. I also like Zykov a lot more than Borgman but that’s more personal preference I’m sure.


3.) 06 Nov 2018 12:38:51
There’s a lot to like about Slavin. But the thing I like most about him is his contract. If Carolina would make this trade, Leafs would be foolish not to take it. Slavin would be amazing on the team, and would be our replacement for Reilly in a few years when we are forced to trade him because we can’t afford to re-sign him.

Not sure Zykov would be the throw in. He was AHL player of the year last year and looks good so far on a hot Carolina team. They likely want to keep him.


4.) 06 Nov 2018 16:27:30
Nylander isn't going to get you a #1 deman, 7-8 million for 20 and 60 points playing with 1 of top players in the league, think leafs take a loss on this one, or let him sit until he's being more reasonable.


5.) 06 Nov 2018 17:55:46
Even with Pesce not being that number one D man you want, Are you expecting to get one for wider Nylander?
The rumor is Carolina is willing to part with one of Pesce or Faulk. Because they are both right handed and also have Hamilton on the right side. So they can afford to trade one of those three right handed guys. Not their best left handed guy Slavin. Slavin has more value than Nylander. Come on buddy you're smarter than this.


6.) 06 Nov 2018 17:53:59
Lol. Then you want a hot Carolina team to insert this winger hold out into their top line center?
Their top line of Ferland - Aho - Taraveinen are doing fantastic together. 😳😳.


7.) 06 Nov 2018 21:14:35
Slavin is closer in value to Mathews then Nylander. Most underrated player in the NHL by far. Slavin>Vlasic.


8.) 06 Nov 2018 21:59:10
Assumed this would be the reaction. I personally didn't think Nylander would come close to Slavin, but after Friedman himself said that Ghost + Simmonds for Ny + Gardiner is close [In his books, not an actual proposal or rumor, someone suggested it on an nhl. com video and he said he actually liked the idea], I felt as though we may be undervaluing Nylander.

But the contract dispute 100% discounts Nylander's value. It'll be interesting to see what he'd either get in terms of money from Toronto, or his value on the trade market.


9.) 07 Nov 2018 00:15:22
@vb

Slavin is closer to Matthews than Nylander? HAHAHA. Not a chance.

Slavin’s a damn good player, sure, but not without his faults: He’s not exactly outstanding either offensively or defensively. He’s not a heavy hitter, can’t fight, has difficulty clearing the net, and is a real pussy for a guy his size. He’s the same age as Rielly and has barely played half the amount of games. He’s a top 50 defenseman in the game, but not top 20.

Slavin doesn’t get you anywhere close to a player of Matthews caliber, and a player of Nylander’s capability is closer to reality. Leafs have to add, sure. But this trade is not ao far fetched. The love for Slavin expressed here is pure bromance.


10.) 07 Nov 2018 03:38:29
@yupp, a HOT Carolina team?!? They have lost 5 straight, 8 of the last 10 lol 5 pts of the last 20 available to them. 7th place in their division. That’s a HOT team? Is this info from the same website where you read ‘leafs are better without Matthews’?


11.) 07 Nov 2018 05:38:23
And with 18 goals as a team in those 10 games, there’s no need for them to want to add offense or change up there forward lines? Aho has 0g,2a. Ferland has 1g,0a and Teravainen has 1g0a in the 5 game losing streak. That’s a line that’s ‘doing fantastic together’ on a ‘hot team’?! Lol yeah. Wouldn’t want to mess with that chemistry and winning strategy.


12.) 08 Nov 2018 00:03:33
You even say “come on buddy, you’re smarter than this” to TSS while also saying Carolina’s a hot team haha the irony of those 2 responses is amazing. Poetic almost.


 

 

04 Nov 2018 02:42:51
Source: David Pagnotta (The Fourth Period)

He reports that Los Angeles is willing to part with both Muzzin and Pearson++ for Nylander. If so, if I’m Toronto, I’d jump on that:

Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW - RFA) + Martin Marincin (LD - 0.875 Million x 1 Year) .
Los Angeles Trades: Jake Muzzin (LD - 4.0 Million x 2 Years) + Tanner Pearson (LW - 3.75 Million x 3 Years) + Alex Iafallo (0.925 Million x 1 Year)

Healthy Toronto Lineup:
Pearson - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Iafallo
Johnsson - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Muzzin
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 04 Nov 2018 14:25:26
I read on hockey news Instagram page that they say Pagnotta says "LAK are willing to give up Both Muzzin and Pesrson (no mention of a ++) and that the Hurricanes are willing to part with Pesce that the Leafs have interest in. Leafs have even talked to Nylanders camp about an extension in Carolina"

The panel guys on CBC HNIC, I think it was Friedman said that the Hurricanes are "all in" for Nylander if the Leafs decide it comes to that.

I would take Muzzin and Pearson for sure I think.


2.) 04 Nov 2018 15:11:46
Not the actual ++ @yup, but he said with other pieces moving around as well. If Toronto was willing to bite on Muzzin/ Pearson alone, it wouldve been done by mow for sure. If Iafallo comes as that other piece, i think Toronto would bite.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 16:01:58
It would be a slam dunk win for Toronto if Muzzin was right handed. Would be a great partner for Reilly. And to get a really good replacement winger in Pearson too?!
Can Muzzin play right side?


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:07:15
Ive seen Muzzin play RHD before. Maybe can be like Hainsey, LHD with ability to play RH. Maybe. Cause pearsons playin real poor in LA atm. CHANge of scenery coukd be nice,


5.) 05 Nov 2018 00:30:43
Any team seeking to get nylander off the lead hands are fools. Toronto should be seeking out trade destinations for that sad sap. The way he is negotiating with such a hard line. definatly all about himself and not a team player.


6.) 05 Nov 2018 17:18:23
Pearson is very good player. Would love to have him on the team. Muzzin is a two year rental. Could make a good placeholder for a ywar after Gardiner leaves to give Sandin and Dermott more time t develop before being pushed into a bugger role on the team. We could use a couple players with Stanley Cup pedigree on the team. A couple proven winners would be more than welcome addition.


 

 

30 Oct 2018 23:41:43
Unlikely scenario, yes, but worth a go imo:

Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW: RFA - Extension: 7.250 Million x 7 Years) + Josh Leivo (LW: 0.625 Million x 1 Year) + Andrew Nielsen (RD: 0.697 Million x 1 Year) + Vincent Loverde (LD: 0.700 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Edmonton Trades: Jesse Puljujarvi (LW: 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Zach Kassian (RW: 1.900 Million x 1 Year) + Ethan Bear (RD: 0.720 Million x 2 Years) + Matthew Benning: 1.800 Million x 1 Year) .

Okay, this is a lot. I''l just break down my value assumptions:

Nylander + Nielsen = Bear + Pulj
Leivo + Loverde + 3rd = Benning + Kassian.

Toronto does this to alleviate a decent amount of cap [Appx. 3 Million], but also to show Marner/ Matthews that they aren't budging in terms of negotiations. Sure Toronto can also afford 7.25, but if we pay Nylander that, Marners going to command at least 9, and Matthews maybe 12. We tone it down, and maybe they do too. As well, we acquire a solid [step down] winger on a weak left side, and for the difference in value, we also get Ethan Bear, who is highly touted and would be tough for Edmonton fans to give up, but for Nylander, somethings got to give in terms of defence.

Edmonton does this to acquire a bonafide top line winger alongside McDavid, and they also alleviate cap by trading Benning and Kassian, both of which are harped on [on twitter at least] by fans, and take up nearly 4 million in cap space. They add more cap with Nylander, but its worthwhile since its a topliner, not two spare pieces. As well, they acquire Nylander by not trading any of Nurse, Klef or Larsson, which is big.

Toronto [Healthy] Lineup:
Puljujarvi - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Kassian

Rielly - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev
Gardiner - Benning

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Edmonton [Healthy] Lineup:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Tobias Rieder - Leon Draisaitl - Kailer Yamamoto
Milan Lucic - Ryan Strome - Drake Caggiula
Jujhar Khaira - Kyle Brodziak - Alex Chiasson

Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse - Kris Russell
Jason Garrison - Andrej Sekera.

TopShelfSlappers

1.) 31 Oct 2018 00:21:14
Very in depth like usual. I like the time you put into your thoughts. For me it would depend on Ethan Bear, I don’t really know how good he is. If Bear is a projected top 4 then I’d be ok with it. I thought Puljujärvi was a RW but regardless, we’ll thought out. Nylander with McDavid would be fun to watch.


2.) 31 Oct 2018 01:13:47
Don't mind it but don't love it. Especially Nylander at $7.25M. Puljujarvi is a right handed RW not a LW. Sekera is a left handed LW not a RW.
Im all for trading Benning and Kassian to Toronto but just don't know what for. I would like Nylander, to play with Drai as McDavid and Nuge could use anyone and Drai could use a solid winger, but not Nylander for $7.25M. $6M sure.
I think Puljijarvi would be a good for in Carolina with buddy Aho, maybe not on his line but to have a good buddy away from the rink in the North American NHL would be good for young Pul. But Carolina is doing so well maybe they don't make a move right now.
I don't even think the Oilers can add Nylander for $7.25M with not that much going out. Russell or Sekera probably have to be included for it to even be possible, no?


3.) 31 Oct 2018 04:16:00
@TopShelfSlappers

Normally I love your trades. But in this case I’m scratching my head.

In what world does Puljujarvi (probable bust) + Bear (a never was, who probably never will be) land you Nylander?

Yes, I may be jumping the gun saying these guys won’t amount to much, but up to this point, neither one has done much, while Nylander at 20 and 21 years of age was lighting it up for 20 goals and 61 points back to back seasons. I mean, its not even close: Nylander is 1RW with further upside, while Bear would be 3RHD on Leafs at best, ever. And Puljujarvi would be bottom six RW.

Finances would also make this trade difficult. Edmonton is at the cap limit and absolutely cannot take on any more salary.


4.) 31 Oct 2018 10:50:50
Oh s**, about the cap, i was using hockey buzz as a cap source and it said that EDM had 4 million cap space. Trade Kassian and Benning now and it becomes nearly 8.

I couldn't see TOR taking on either of Russell or Sekera, maybe Russell with salary retention, but if at all, i could see EDM trading Strome afterwards.

And the reason I want Pulj and Bear is because Pulj still has a lot of potential. He just hasnr made good use of it. We could always send him down to the AHL instead of playing him right away, and then sign him to a low bridge deal. And Bear is supposed to be a solid RD prospect, so i thought that that made up for it. As well, idk of Toronto has much leverage otherwise in Nylander trades, we really only have a month.


5.) 31 Oct 2018 13:03:01
Puljujarvi is not a player leafs should target.


6.) 31 Oct 2018 16:14:55
Might say that right now about the cap space because Sekera LTIR right now. But when he comes back there is no room. Would be alright to move Kassian out for a pick and little cap space. But ya, don't think they can bring in Nylander for $7.25M without that much going out. And I don't think Nylander should get a $7.25M a year contract myself. Sorry if that offends anyone. Just my lil ol opinion that shouldn't bother anyone that much. Sorry.


7.) 31 Oct 2018 16:15:34
But at the same time getting Nylander would be great because I would play him with Drai and play anyone with McDavid and Nuge.


8.) 31 Oct 2018 19:56:59
I’m offended yupper and scared. I’m going to be “super scared” without Matthews for this stretch, lol. Keep it up bro.


9.) 31 Oct 2018 22:41:27
Puljarvi is not a player any team should target.


10.) 01 Nov 2018 01:37:52
I love how easily I can trigger you my friend.
So salty over any and everything I say.


11.) 01 Nov 2018 04:14:31
Just get back to hockey talk buddy. You’re not offending anyone, just annoying and immature. How dare anyone challenge the great yupp without being “salty”. I think this has went on long enough, you?


 

 

 

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16 Nov 2018 00:10:24
Totally agree with EP as well. He has a big hype train around him, i don't kmow if he tapers off but i feel like with sedins leaving him and boeser became such a big deal in Vancouver (not saying its unwarranted, no, but Barzal had the same kind of start in NYI, just less coverage so he never got spoke about) .

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16 Nov 2018 00:08:51
Barkov is going to be such a sick two way force. completeky forgot about him, mainky yes because he does play in Florida lol but also because I never realized how young the guy is.
He plays with such a veteran style and yet is the same age as Mack. Hard to believe imo.
Glad you guys liked my tiers tho. if i was adding Barkov, he's in that Eichel group as well imho.

And for me, i absoluteky love Timmy, so i think Likjegren>Sandin atm, but they both coukd be promising. From reports tho, I've heard that liljegren is struggling slighlt (not points wise, but dzone coverage wise) to start this year in the AHL. Maybe that factored imto it? idk.

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15 Nov 2018 15:52:33
Prov and Barzal come to mind.

Imo the tiers are (no orders in the tiers)

McDavid

Matthews
MacKinnon
Petterson

Eichel
Laine
Pasta
Rantanen

Prov
Marner
Barzal
Drais
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15 Nov 2018 11:28:24
lol no.

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12 Nov 2018 23:08:37
So a depth forward, a prospect goalie who is 2-3 years away from being an NHL Starter [could be a backup now, but will take time to be a starter] and a 1st, and a cap dump, for a guy who just got 70 points and is still performing pretty well?

Easy, easy no from STL.

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