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19 Jun 2018 20:53:18
Edmonton - Panarin

CBJ - 10th overall, Tyler Benson, Caleb Jones, 3rd round

Elliott Friedman reported that panarin isn’t willing to sign an extension with CBJ ‘at this time’ and so the jackets are seeing what type of trade market there is for him.

Oilers want a legit scoring winger to keep up with mcdavid, and CBJ gets more young assets to build a really good core. The pick would be necessary to make any deal for a player like panarin, and a cpl prospects. I was considering making it yamamoto but decided that might be too much. Benson has potential and so does Caleb jones, plus the connection with big brother Seth there.

Maybe a condition on him signing in Edmonton, which he might be more willing to do to play with Mcdavid?

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Jun 2018 21:06:28
Paniran is definitely worth more he makes the Blue Jackets he’s easily there most valuable player. Doubt they move him but if they do he could get a huge hall I’d value him in the Jamie Benn/ Brad Marchand tier.

2.) 19 Jun 2018 21:32:08
Yeah, vbb I kinda thought that too, but to be fair he was just traded for Saad (still a good player too) and a back up goalie. He had a great year, but he would only be 1 year at this price as I indicated. And Benn and Marchand both have long term deals if you were to trade for them, I would expect a steeper price.

3.) 19 Jun 2018 21:56:23
I would don't at deal.
But some money might be needing to go the other way.
But Nuge - McDavid - Panarin would be unreal. Panarin is a perfect left handed shot for McDavid.

4.) 19 Jun 2018 22:21:21
Panarin ain't resigning with cbj, legit trade.

5.) 19 Jun 2018 22:28:35
Saad was traded at Maximus value, he just completed 2 full seasons at getting 50+ points including a 31 goal seasons and almost a 25 goal season, last year his value wasn’t pretty high and he was coming “home” so that increase his value aswell, today he may be worth a 1/ 3 if panarin but on the right team he can still be effective, but if panarin was to be traded he should fetch more than what Boston gave for rick nashb.

6.) 19 Jun 2018 22:48:52
Him being a pending UFA definitely decreases his value tremendously but IMO he still gets more then this.

7.) 20 Jun 2018 00:37:24
How tf can panarin get more than that hahaha as a ufa next season.

8.) 20 Jun 2018 04:13:34
You obviously underate him a lot McJesus. I don’t ses a huge gap between him in Tavares a big gap but not a huge one. Paniran value wise ( not resigned) = Nylander IMO.

9.) 20 Jun 2018 04:16:47
Also Paniran>>>>>>>>Stone And you think Ottawa decelines in my offer posted below even tho Calgary is giving much more then Edmonton

Both are UFAs Stone is Elite. Paniran is a Franchise player who almost single handedly beat the caps.



19 Jun 2018 13:13:32
Sens - boedker, B- prospect, 6th rd

Sharks - Hoffman, D+ prospect, 5th rd

So Rambo, where’s the top 10 pick and top prospect? And where’s the Sens fans saying the Drama with his fiancé doesn’t affect his value?

Hard to believe they didn’t get offered more at the deadline when they apparently kept him because offers weren’t good enough.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Jun 2018 13:43:16
I tried telling them he lost all value and they didn't listen.

2.) 19 Jun 2018 13:44:29
Also yeah in sure at the deadline they had way better offers, just another terrible mistep by the Sens organization, they knew about this issue and waited for it to come out and Hoff to lose all value.

3.) 19 Jun 2018 14:35:08
There is 2 ways to look at the not enough at the trade deadline aspect IMO
1) They knew about the stuff happening behind the scene and miss managed the trade thinking it wouldn't come out to the public.
2) Didn't know about it (IDK if it's been conformed that the organization knew or not) and did the logical thing and not rush the trade on a player with term and wait for the best deal.

4.) 19 Jun 2018 14:37:30
Crazy good pick up for the Sharks. Along with Kane. And I heard they still aren't done. Good for them.
Hoffman = Boadker. Who knew! 🙈🙊.

5.) 19 Jun 2018 14:51:35
Not much of a return but problem players usually don't get much value. I will say this in Ottawa defence julius Bergman is player I really liked in his draft year. He has been inconsistent so far but he still has potential for sure. could be a decent pick up plays a solid all around game when he's on.

6.) 19 Jun 2018 14:53:00
That should close the mouth for a while. Unless, because Rambo watches the sport, this Julius Bergman prospect Ottawa got is the next Bobby Orr.

7.) 19 Jun 2018 14:57:35
Also at the deadline he may not have had much more value because if this scandal was known to be happening by Sens management I think they would have had to tell other gms about it then too. This was going on for awhile so just because most of us only found out recently it' probably was known by Sens management for close to a year now. Plus Hoffman always had issues even dating back to his junior days.

8.) 19 Jun 2018 14:57:45
C’mon habby, Rambo was supposed to say that. Boedker will probably be flipped for Draisaitl, Klefbom and a 1st so it could still work out.

9.) 19 Jun 2018 15:41:42
I suspect Rambo will be in hiding for some time after this latest blunder.

The human mind can only tolerate so much embarassment.

10.) 19 Jun 2018 15:43:28
Don't worry leafs17 I wouldn't claim he's going to turn into much but he did at least have the potential a few years ago.

11.) 19 Jun 2018 15:52:44
Sharks flipped hoffman for 3 picks, freed up a forward roster spot and $4 mill when all said and done. Precursor for a Tavares pitch?!

12.) 19 Jun 2018 19:46:15
Damn. I thought it might affect trade value a little bit. Not completely destroy it. veerrrrryyyy weak return. I don't understand why we couldn't wait for a better offer? Or even until FA when people like jvr and nash are signed and off the market. Even worse that they immediately flipped him for a better return. Ahh well guess i got to change my name now . :/.

13.) 19 Jun 2018 21:03:22
It had to affect his value a lot. You got to think that superstars are atleast consulted when trades are made. If Edmonton was in on hoffman (which they were at one point) and he’s going to be mcdavid a winger, they are asking mcdavid what he thinks. You think mcdavid wants to expose his gf and other players wives to the idiot that comes along with him? Not a chance. That’s oilers out, then same in another city and eventually the market is half the size, price is down. If it was Just her word vs Karlsson, then okay, but when all other wives (turris, Hammond etc) confirm it’s been going on for months to the point they didn’t wanna be there anymore, I’m fine believing it’s all true.

14.) 19 Jun 2018 21:06:01
Haha yeah Hoff it might be time for a name change.

But Kudos to you for coming online today. Rambo is probably in the fetal position crying under his bed, too proud to admit he was way off on valuation.

Hoffman clearly had to go. It's best that Ottawa cut ties without delay, even for a non-remarkable return.

15.) 19 Jun 2018 21:13:35
They should have got a much better return or at least have moved gaborik contract but Dorian has even less common sense than any of you on here. worst gm in sens history by a land slide. if he's not fired soon sens will be completely destroyed in 2 to 3 more seasons. he's easily the absolute worst gm in the league and I doubt many will argue that.

16.) 19 Jun 2018 22:47:37
Why is it everyone else with no common sense Rambo? It seems you were the one without a clue, even though you watch the sport.

17.) 21 Jun 2018 16:17:45
Leafs17 name 1 trade other than the 2nd brassard deal that Ottawa even got close to equal value in return since Dorian took over. the man is a cancer to the organization that needs desperately to be cut out.

18.) 21 Jun 2018 21:44:07
Im a sens fan and IDK what pierre dorion was thinking here. I know hoffman lost his value but come on, he is still a very good player and its his wife that caused this drama not him. i'm sure if PD waited a bit for this problem to resolve, he could've gotten a better deal, bcz this is absolutely garbage for the senators



04 Jun 2018 16:06:49
TB - Tyler Johnson (6yrs x 5 mill) + 2nd round pick

CAR- Justin Faulk (2yrs x 4.8mill)

Carolina gets another offensive weapon (big need) at a reasonable cap hit while trading a D (deepest position)

Tampa gets the RH puck moving D they have been looking for for a cpl years.

The cap hits are similar enough not to be a problem, Carolina obviously takes on a bigger financial commitment with 4 extra years, but Tampa will need to give Faulk a raise much sooner so again I think it kinda evens out. I had Tampa adding a pick only because RHD that can play top pair will always get a premium over a good winger/ second centre.

What do you think?

Unbiased Jim

1.) 04 Jun 2018 16:14:59
I think Carolina wants younger forward.

2.) 04 Jun 2018 16:42:57
They might, but to get a player as good as Johnson, younger and locked up, they’re adding a lot to Faulk. This is just a simple swap that makes both teams better and fits both teams needs pretty well I think.

3.) 04 Jun 2018 17:52:51
Also I meant to add in that if Tampa wants to make a move involving Tampa, it’s very time sensitive because his NTC kicks in July 1st. So that could be another reason for the pick being as high as a second, because they would need to get it done quick as where Carolina could use more of the summer to figure out their moves.

4.) 04 Jun 2018 21:11:26
If I’m carolina I’d be trying to get Point rather than Johnson but that’s just me. If either are even available (point might not be) but with that said I think Faulk could fetch that as a return.

5.) 05 Jun 2018 04:14:43
Involving Johnson**.

6.) 05 Jun 2018 08:29:12
@MJC: TB not trading Point tho. Especially not for Faulk. They (rightfully) would not include him for Erik Karlsson, so CAR shouldn't even try.

7.) 05 Jun 2018 13:00:24
Points not available. Would habe to add significantly to Faulk to think about it. He wasnt available for Karlsson. Johnson for Faulk has been in the rumour mill for years. Still makes sense its not like Johnson is old he's 28 at season start 2 years older than Faulk. i'm confident Johnson will be moved before NTC and similar to Subban I believe recieving team can then nullify the clause.



15 May 2018 19:08:19
Toronto - 25th overall, F - Jeremy Bracco,
D - Andrew Nielson

Vegas - D - Colin Miller

No surprise that the leafs are looking to upgrade the RD. Miller would fit nicely with Rielly, fits today’s NHL with his mobility, has a cannon of a shot for the PP that the leafs haven’t had since Bryan McCabe. He’s 25 years old so fits with the leafs core age group.

Also he’s from Ste St Marie and was discovered playing triple A hockey and given a chance in the OHL by Kyle Dubas who was the gm of the greyhounds atvthe time. He was then captain of dubas team there and won leadership awards. All things that Shanahan and Babcock favour. All GMs have ‘their guys’and this could be dubas’s way of putting his fingerprint on the team early.

From Vegas, they get back into the first round after trading their 1st for Tomas Tatar. They also get a small skilled forward prospect in Bracco. They have had success with marchesseault, traded for Tatar and used a 1st last year to draft nick Suzuki. So small skilled seems to be in their plans. Nielsen is a good D in the AHL and was close to the nhl this year but he siince been passed by dermott and liljegren.

Because Vegas has done so well, people forget how early in the process they are. They still need to build an alentire system and prospect pipeline. A first and 2 young players with potential helps that.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 15 May 2018 19:20:43
With Miller being a rfa the leafs could just sign him to a contract over 4,060,000. At which it'll only cost them a 1st rounder and a 3rd round pick. The leafs could still flip bracco for a 3rd and still have Neilson in the pipeline.

2.) 15 May 2018 19:46:30
Yeah but I think they want the player, don’t want to alienate a possible trade partner for the future and Vegas would easily match a multi year deal at $4 mill.

3.) 15 May 2018 20:38:59
You could probably just do a sign and trade with Vegas. 4yr @ 4m to bring in miller who I think would be a better fit with Reilly.

Costs bracco Neilson and San Jose's second and we can use our first in hopes of that all star dman we've been dying for.

4.) 15 May 2018 21:39:58
You’re not getting a 25 year old Dman who put up 41 pts and is having a breakout year/ playoff for 4 years at a great cap hit without including a 1st. I’m a leaf fan, I’d love that, but I call out people that low ball trades on here, I think it would take what I said to get him.

5.) 15 May 2018 21:44:45
A late 2nd and a B and a C prospect does not get you a 25 year old top 4 RHD. It just doesn’t.

6.) 16 May 2018 00:50:24
a late 2nd you mean a late 1st? Unbiased gim.

7.) 16 May 2018 13:11:35
No MTL4LIFE I mean a late 2nd. He just recommended swapping the first I offered for San Jose’s 2nd. I said that’s not enough.

8.) 16 May 2018 15:10:55
Miller had 1 good season. Doesn't mean hell keep it up. let's evaluate him as a decent top 4 D that could become that could become great if he continues his play. Has a lot to learn in order to be a solid top 4 D.

9.) 16 May 2018 17:54:01
I’m not saying he’s a star, give him time to prove he’s a top pair d? That’s fair. But i Don’t think he needs to prove to anyone he can play top 4 on just about any team in the league, especially on the leafs where he would be replacing Ron Hainsey. If your 4th best Dman is Colin miller, I’d say you’re doing alright. That tells me he’s a good top 4.



24 Apr 2018 14:20:08
Just thinking back to a post a cpl days ago when someone had proposed:

Draistal, Bear, 2nd


Pastrnak, Mcavoy

Oilers fans had said both teams say no.
Honestly speaking, would you not be batter served having pastrnak to be that legit scoring winger to play with mcdavid, RNH playing second line centre like he can and earn his $6 mill, add mcavoy to your blue line and save $2mill in the deal?! How is this a no from oilers?! There’s no age gap to speak of between Leon and pasta, both on 8 year deals, pasta at 6.6 and Leon at 8.5 and you’re getting a 20 year old RHD who can play top pair already. What am I missing?

Unbiased Jim

1.) 24 Apr 2018 16:22:49
When was this exact trade posted? Tbh Iv never seen that trade before posted on here. And with saying that, that’s a no brainer for Edmonton to take oh my god if Edmonton didn’t accept that I’d be pretty confused. But no go from Boston unless they are craving a big young talented centerman.

2.) 24 Apr 2018 17:19:40
Currently they have bergeron and Krejci. Why on earth would they trade pasta and macovoy.

3.) 24 Apr 2018 17:43:00
to redwing: neither are spring chickens and krejci is a 3rd liner at this point. not saying its its good for the bruins, but they would want a potential franchise center in return for pasta and mcavoy.

trade is aweful for b's though.

4.) 24 Apr 2018 18:07:10
Cause there in there mid 30 and they have no good center prospects and boston has a lot of talented young wingers.

5.) 24 Apr 2018 18:10:35
Its cause i posted it and people like to troll me i geuss.

6.) 24 Apr 2018 20:41:00
The trade might look a little different in a year or two if Bear progresses like he has been. But yeah easy no from Boston.

7.) 24 Apr 2018 21:19:07
Yeah I saw it, and I commented 'terrible for Boston', and got three or four dislikes and was like huh? But yeah, I stick to it, that's bad for Boston.

8.) 24 Apr 2018 21:19:37
and @MJ, it was on the Talk page, it was proposed by whadya know, Brock.

9.) 25 Apr 2018 00:13:11
It was a cpl days ago and YUP said no from oilers lol that’s why I was so confused if I was missing something or if it’s just falling in love with your own players again.

10.) 25 Apr 2018 00:22:56
And I get that Bear has been good and has potential, but he’s far from a sure thing stud, mcavoy already is. As a leaf fan, I remember hearing that we stole Jesse blacker in the second round and would be a top 4 Dman. 4 years later we had to add a 2nd and 7th to him to get Peter Holland and he has 1 nhl game played lol same story with Matt Finn. He was very early second round pick after we took Rielly and had huge potential, a few years later he was one of 5 contracts we sent to the islanders for Grabner. This Bear evaluation on this site is hard for me to grasp.

11.) 24 Apr 2018 15:05:51
Boston is giving up too much. Edmonton adds.

12.) 24 Apr 2018 21:00:34
I also added edm 2 rd pick.

13.) 25 Apr 2018 01:29:02
I said no from both Was mainly thinking because Boston doesn't need a center and need pasta and Mcavoy a lot more than a center and a guy almost ready.
Edm needs to keep Drai and go McDavid-Drai at center. If this deal was proposed I do think Edm takes it tho but I don't think Boston does.

But I think Edm should trade some other players before even taking talks on Drai. Klefbom, Nuge, 2018 1st, even Pulujarvi depending on the deal. Would take calls on all them well before Drai if I was Edm. That's also why I said both say no. Boston says no first, but Edm should look around at other options before taking calls on Drai.

14.) 25 Apr 2018 02:28:24
Okay. I’m just saying that trade was proposed and you said no from Edmonton. I was just confused how someone who is usually really on the ball on this site could think oilers say no to that. You and mcjesus are usually on the same page, almost exactly and he calls it a no brainer, as I would. Just curious.

15.) 25 Apr 2018 06:30:28
I said both say no originally. And then just explained my thought process behind that.
this trade would just never happen.




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22 Jun 2018 14:26:20
First of all this is all assuming Karlsson sees Columbus Ohio as his 1st choice to love for the next 9 years. 30 NHL cities which would all be interested on some level if he hits the market. He’s already had his career controlled for him in Ottawa up to this point, he’s not going to sign in Columbus a year earlier than he can atleast explore the thought of playing in Vegas, Edmonton, LA, NY, Toronto, Dallas or other Big market cities just to help the senators maximize his return lol he doesn’t like melnyk right back to the way Alfredsson was treated, I can assume he’s not a fan of Dorion and the way he’s handled (or ignored up to the last 2 weeks) the hell his family was put through. Being loyal and Helping the organization has been replaced by “what’s best for me” and I say good for him.

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22 Jun 2018 13:59:14
Not a bad idea, I just think Nylander is scratching the surface of what he can be, barrie is what he is. He’s a good player and fits our need, so might have to over pay a bit. But I think I’d want something else coming back, could just be greed though. Also I believe Dubas is going to try to sign tavares (still a long shot obviously) and if he does, Nylander will be traded very soon after for D help.

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21 Jun 2018 22:25:21
At vbb, I get he wasn’t at his best, but If 24 goals for a physical player at 3.8 million is a ‘terrible year’ then I’d be willing to pay more than this because his ‘normal’ should be great. You don’t trade a player like that with a year left on a steal of a cap hit if the pkg doesn’t have a 1st or a top prospect. This has neither. It’s known I like Simmonds over patches, but habs couldn't justify trading pacioretty without a 1st or really good top prospect coming back, and patches had a worse season than Simmonds.

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21 Jun 2018 16:00:52
3 disagrees for mcjesus? Lol really? got to be the same person 3 times. Philly laughs that offer back in a hurry.

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21 Jun 2018 15:59:09
Yeah, as bad as the lucic contract is, he can still contribute physically and bring an element of intimidation and protection for his team if not offense. If loui Erikson isn’t scoring 25 goals, he could never come close to earning that contract.

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