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19 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Tor - C/ RW William Nylander, D Andrew Nielsen

VGK- D Colin Miller, D Nicolas Hague

If the leafs and Nylander can’t come to terms (I do believe they will fairly soon), then maybe they move on to address other areas

Leafs have plenty of capable wingers to play along side Matthews and Marleau, so kapanen, Leivo or Johnsson move up.

Leafs get a really good 2 way RHD, soon to be 26 years old, 4 years at $3.8 million, who already has connections to Kyle Dubas. They also get a real good LHD prospect.

Vegas has the cap space to pay Nylander and their RW depth is awful. afternoon reilly Smoth, it goes alex Tuch and Ryan Reeves. This pushes tuch to 3 and reeves to 4 where they should be. Nielsen is a giybthat could be a decent NHL Dman eventually but still a young project for sure. Just adds to their depth because they’re losing 2 D in the deal.

Leafs give up the best player but that salary of miller vs what Nylander wants is valuable on its own. Also a D core of

Rielly Miller
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov
Hainsey

All of a sudden looks pretty solid while still maintaining one of the best toon 9 forward groups in the league of

Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kadri Leivo.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Sep 2018 23:48:34
top 6 doesn't look that great without nylander. until kapanen can finish he's a 3rd liner. i would love to see conner brown get a shot at the top line, guy is under rated. and there's a reason he is above leivo on the depth chart.

seeing some lines at the first pre season game means very little to me. things will shake out a lot differently.

as far as the trade goes i would take miller in a heartbeat.


2.) 20 Sep 2018 00:47:27
Very well thought out imo, but I also doubt Nylander is going to be moved.

I don’t see how he/ his agent can seriously expect to get anything over $7mln when Pasta is better and only makes $6.7 mln or whatever and I don’t see how the leafs think they can get him signed to less than $6mln given other comparables. Doesn’t seem like they can be that far apart.


3.) 20 Sep 2018 02:58:06
What kind of a joke is this proposal? If you trade Nylander to Vegas, you better get William Karlsson back in return.


4.) 20 Sep 2018 04:41:15
I agree I think he gets signed, I've said that all along he will get 6-8 years around $6.5 mill. Just so many people talking trade now and the obvious move is for a RHD. I think miller is the right balance for Rielly. Good core age too. Hague if he keeps progressing could take dermotts spot on third pair next year when dermott takes Gardiners spot on 2nd pair, to save more cap again.

Just a thought. I don’t want to trade Nylander, but I like this option a lot better than Subban at $9 mill or Stephen Johns at any price lol which were previously suggested.


5.) 20 Sep 2018 06:54:54
Good post jim 😃.


6.) 20 Sep 2018 12:36:49
Pretty good trade. I like Nylander and Miller. Makes sense for both teams, Nylander could be great in Vegas and they can afford him. Is losing Miller creating too much a hole in Vegas D tho? They have a good tip six right now with the two big additions this summer don't they?
Also, you can't add Johnson and Lievo into "best top 9 in the league". You can say a great top 7 tho. Haha.


7.) 20 Sep 2018 12:42:15
@NylanderMagic. I post to get responses, so I won’t be rude about your response, but explain then why you feel the leafs need to take back a Centreman who would be either 3rd or 4th best on the team rather than a RHD who would immediately be your best?


8.) 20 Sep 2018 12:53:03
@yupp, I said still “one of the best top 9s” not “the best”, amd having tavares, matthews, marner, Kadri and Marleau on top 3 lines, plus could have put Brown instead of Leivo, forgot all about him and he’s scored 20, don’t know many teams that can roll out a better 9 to be honest.

Also I did feel it could leave a bit of a hole in Vegas D, but that’s what it would take to get a player like Nylander. Their team is good but not extremely deep in any position yet, so to get a RW, which is their worst position, it’s going to leave somewhere else noticeably weaker unfortunately.


9.) 20 Sep 2018 14:04:36
The value seems about right. It does leave a hole in the Vegas defense though like yupp said. I agree with ovie that Brown deserves to be moved up but I don’t think Kapanen has had much of a chance playing with some talent either. I bellieve Babcock has said himself that Brown seems to get the shaft often because of the depth up front.


10.) 20 Sep 2018 17:01:45
I like it, althoigh, still seems slightly underwhelming of a return, just because of Willys youth compared to Millers. maybe an added pick like a 2nd and Toronto adds in a guy like Freddy Gauthier? Idk.

I don't mind this tho. Would (obv) prefer to hang onto willly, as most would.


11.) 20 Sep 2018 17:06:41
I think brown gets relegated to lower lines, not because of skill, but because he’s so responsible and so versatile that you never have to worry about who he's going to play with or how many minutes he gets, he’s always going to just do his job.


12.) 20 Sep 2018 17:08:02
Good post, interesting trade. Props Jimmy boy!


13.) 20 Sep 2018 22:33:02
jim i whole heartedy agree brown is a gem because he just does his job. he's a really low rent toews in my eyes, love watching him play.

jims just on point with this.


14.) 21 Sep 2018 05:49:32
Brown was actually taught responsible play by his dad, Dan. He was an amazing minor league coach and has appenrently been offered jobs to coach junior but says he gets to be a hockey dad at the highest level and watch his son play for the hometown leafs every night. Doesn’t want to give that up.

Dan Brown had a 10 or 11 year old Select team and won the championship, they offered him the rep A team and he just took his select team to A, won the chanpionship, was offered a AAA team and took his same guys mostly, won it all a few times in a row before a bunch of his guys went to the OHL at 16. In the 2012 Draft when the leafs took Brown in the 6th round, 6 or 7 (not sure exactly) players that dan had coached all the way up went in the draft that year including Scott Laughton in the first round to Philly and Jake Paterson, their goalie, to Detroit in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s extremely impressive and shows why Brown plays the game the way he does. My dad has actually known Laughtons grandfather for decades and he told us that.


 

 

05 Sep 2018 06:15:32
Tor - D Jake Gardiner (1yr x 4.05 mill), 2019 1st, 2020 3rd, F Jeremy Bracco

Min - D Jonas Brodin (3yrsx $4.16mill)

Gardiner is the leafs 2nd LHD behind Rielly. He has this season left and is due a raise. If he would take $5.25-5.5 mill it’s possible he could fit, however he may want to cash in for more after a few good seasons and he still isn’t exactly the Defensive player we need. Brodin is much more rounded player, a bit younger and 2 more years of cost certainty which is very important going forward in Toronto.

Minnesota gets a good puck moving LHD to take Brodins spot in the lineup. They’re also Gardiners hometown team so may be able to resign him a little cheaper than other teams. They get a mid to late 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder and a small but very skilled prospect who is stuck behind a lot of talent in Toronto. The Wild have a decent team but with Suter (33) Staal (33) Parise (34) and Koivu (35), stocking some younger assets doesn’t hurt.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 05 Sep 2018 06:25:42
Interesting if wild can sign Gardiner after the year.


2.) 05 Sep 2018 07:08:28
Not saying it’s the perfect move for Minnesota because Gardiner is going to be a UFA but is Brodin worth that?


3.) 05 Sep 2018 13:43:14
@ebs, I get what you’re saying but leafs are getting a player 3 years younger with 3 years term left. I feel like the cost certainty alone is worth a premium. Also we would be asking the Wild to take a player 3 years older with only a year left on his contract at a similar cap hit. They don’t need to make this change right now and if you don’t make it worth their while, they just won’t. A late first, a 3rd and Bracco I would be willing to sacrifice to make our D stronger and be able to keep our forward group together for 2 extra years cap wise. Others may not be so willing, but I feel it’s what it could take.


4.) 05 Sep 2018 15:47:42
And @mcjesus, minny could sign him the day the trade is made. They could have a 5 x $6mill extension ready to maximize their return.


5.) 05 Sep 2018 17:15:48
as a leafs fan I would rather trade gardiner for a better dman than brodin if he is traded at all. and personally I'm not sure brodin is worth a 1st,3rd and bracco in the first place. he has a career, 0.247 ppg and a career high of 25 points with 21 points last year. is he a good dman? Sure, but i'd rather put our pieces into a better dman. I understand the value of him being 3 yrs younger and 3 years term (nice good contract i will admit) but I definitely would rather have one year of gardiner+1st+3rd+bracco than brodin.

hope that wasn't too biased haha.


6.) 05 Sep 2018 19:38:38
@Big Z. That’s fair. I wasn’t worried at all about his career points per game or his pt total last year for 2 reasons. 1 is that no one on minny (forwards included) ever put up big numbers, I think mid 60s leads their team every year. Secondly, we will get plenty of offense from our forwards (arguably the best top 9 in the league), Rielly and Dermott and hopefully zaitsev again on the backend. I’m more concerned with the other half of the game that has plagued us for years.


7.) 06 Sep 2018 04:22:43
Think brodin and Gardiner would be a very nice pair but got to give one up for the other, its trading offensive de for defensive de which I'd agree Toronto would be better off for.


 

 

02 Aug 2018 23:55:48
Confirmed Trade

Buffalo gets Jeff Skinner

Canes get Cliff Pu, 2nd, 3rd And 6th

Like this deal a lot for sabres. No top prospect or 1st rounder involved and add a guy who is only 25 and had 37 goals 2 years ago, 79 in last 3 seasons. Staying healthy will obviously be the key.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 03 Aug 2018 04:57:07
Makes me wonder why Edmonton wouldn’t have tried really hard to make this work (maybe they did) I know cap space is an issue but at that price I’m shocked. That’s probably an equivilent of benson, 2nd, 3rd ans 6th. And that was trading within the conference. Being out west, certainly wouldn't cost more, maybe even a bit less. Don’t know their exact cap situation but for a chance to add skinner so cheap, could they not have given another asset to dump a salary, either to Carolina in this deal or elsewhere to make room?!


2.) 03 Aug 2018 04:59:30
Yup. Nice move by Buffalo. If he can stay away from concussions, this should work out great for Buffalo.


3.) 03 Aug 2018 14:36:50
Ya the oilers have about $5M in space right now and have to sign Nurse with that. No room at all I make a deal with no money going out for Skinner. Good suggestion tho lol.


4.) 03 Aug 2018 16:20:21
Yeah. I was just wondering if there was a way to send like Sekera back there (lived there a long time, might have connections there still) along with another asset in the deal. Because even another pick added into it doesn’t seem like a ton. I just think skinner would be a great fit for mcdavid, can score and is one of the best skaters in the league. I had a trade proposal a while ago of Ethan Bear and their 1st for him (before it was a 10th overal)


5.) 04 Aug 2018 00:08:04
I would have earlier asked Sekera is he would waive his no trade to go back to Carolina. And hen try to do something around Sekera/ Puljujarvi for Faulk/ Skinner. And extend Skinner after the season
But that was before we resigned some players and what not. Now it wouldn't have worked out.


6.) 04 Aug 2018 19:54:06
i will never understand why people put unbelievable for confirmed trades.


 

 

12 Jul 2018 21:50:13
Hawks traded Hossa’s contract to Arizona.

Hawks now have $8.5mill cap space for this season.

Have been talking to habs about paccioretty (1yr $4.5 mill)

And hurricanes about Skinner (1 yr $5.75 mill)

See which way they go.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 12 Jul 2018 22:06:43
Don’t forget Panarin apparently he wants to return.


2.) 12 Jul 2018 22:46:35
I could see Panarin. I think he was upset when they traded him. Get back on his old line and light it up.


3.) 13 Jul 2018 13:34:35
i'd love to see skinner and/ or panarin (again) in a chicago jersey.


4.) 14 Jul 2018 07:37:10
Panarin won't fit in their cap plans. Yes, they have 8.5m space but they need to sign at least 3 more F and 1 more D.


5.) 14 Jul 2018 16:02:04
They’d need to get creative but it could work.


 

 

22 Jun 2018 19:18:12
Craig Anderson and Cam Talbot both ask for trades apparently. I expected Anderson, Talbot caught me off guard. Lou could try to get him in NYI if the price is right.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 22 Jun 2018 21:21:51
Actually since it says Jeff Skinner is close to being moved, Oilers should try to send talbot there in a deal to land a scoring winger. Talbot has a 10 team no trade list, but if he wants to be traded, might only be a cpl teams needing a starter. Could have to stray from his original list.


2.) 22 Jun 2018 21:31:27
Where do you read this stuff? Or does it come off the top of your head.


3.) 22 Jun 2018 21:32:21
I heard Talbot rumours were false.


4.) 22 Jun 2018 23:46:55
Dave Pagnotta is the one that says “oilers are continuing to entertain trade talks involving Talbot, and things are escalating”

Lots of others have said that chiarelli has asked for his 10 team trade list. Simply type ‘Cam Talbot’ into search bar on twitter, it’s not difficult, I didn’t make it up lol sort through the reliable sources and the garbage and there’s atleast some fairly connected writers talking about it.


5.) 23 Jun 2018 19:06:47
So the team asking for a ten team trade list doesn't mean the player asked for a trade.
Talbot hasn't asked for a trade. Very very false.
Anderson has. That's understandable.


 

 

 

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21 Sep 2018 20:25:16
Lol not close. Jones is one of the most valuable pieces in the league because of position, age and contract. Leafs would have to add a lot to Nylander to get him alone. Jackets laugh so very hard at this.

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21 Sep 2018 05:49:32
Brown was actually taught responsible play by his dad, Dan. He was an amazing minor league coach and has appenrently been offered jobs to coach junior but says he gets to be a hockey dad at the highest level and watch his son play for the hometown leafs every night. Doesn’t want to give that up.

Dan Brown had a 10 or 11 year old Select team and won the championship, they offered him the rep A team and he just took his select team to A, won the chanpionship, was offered a AAA team and took his same guys mostly, won it all a few times in a row before a bunch of his guys went to the OHL at 16. In the 2012 Draft when the leafs took Brown in the 6th round, 6 or 7 (not sure exactly) players that dan had coached all the way up went in the draft that year including Scott Laughton in the first round to Philly and Jake Paterson, their goalie, to Detroit in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s extremely impressive and shows why Brown plays the game the way he does. My dad has actually known Laughtons grandfather for decades and he told us that.

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20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!

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20 Sep 2018 17:06:41
I think brown gets relegated to lower lines, not because of skill, but because he’s so responsible and so versatile that you never have to worry about who he's going to play with or how many minutes he gets, he’s always going to just do his job.

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20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.

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