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02 Jul 2016 22:34:48
Hardly post on the site but I think this trade would make a lot of sense for both teams:
Edmonton: Mark Fayne
Calgary: Dennis Wideman
* (contingent on the waiving of NMC) *
Reasoning for Oilers: Veteran presence on the blue line with offensive upside as he is one year removed from a splendid offensive season. PP quarterback the team has been looking for, at least in the meantime until after the expansion draft when the team can target a more permanent option without having to protect
Reasoning for Flames: Offload a larger contract and take on a bottom pairing replacement for Widemen at almost 2 million cheaper. Opens up some cap flexibilty (just under $15M available another almost 2 makes sense) to finalize extensions for franchise players in Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan
Inter-division is rare especially within Alberta but as a third party fan (STL fan) I think this makes a lot of sense from both sides and adds to the competitveness of that rivalry.
1.) 03 Jul 2016 02:11:10
No from Calgary. Wideman only has 1 year left and flames can easily afford him or retain 50% on him and get a decent return. Fayne sucks and has little to no value.
2.) 03 Jul 2016 03:10:41
Wideman is worth more, maybe add a pick.
3.) 03 Jul 2016 03:21:36
Wideman>Fayne.
01 Dec 2015 02:59:08
I know Seth Jones isn't likely going anywhere but with the perennial need for defenseman, a RH defenseman in particular in Edmonton, Nashville and Edmonton are logical trade partners. So just for fun and for my first post in a very long time:
Edmonton trades: Yakupov, Reinhart, 2016 1st (unprotected), 2017 1st (lottery protected)
Nashville trades: Jones
*likely an offseason deal (especially if jones demands a lot) *
Reasonings:
The reason Nashville makes this trade is that the get Yakupov who still has potential to turn into a stud scoring winger who could seriously look good beside Forsberg and could benefit from a change of scenery (yes I know he looked good beside McDavid so will anyone else) . Also they get a big, young defenseman who, considering Nashville's ability to develop defenders could turn into an solid, affordable top 4 guy. They also get 2 firsts (2016 likely top 5) where they can draft 1 and possibly 2 young, stud centres that they have been lookin for.
The reason Edmonton makes this trade is obvious, Jones is a future #1 defenseman and would be the perfect guy to pencil in beside Nurse on the future top pairing. Also, Edmonton cannot continue to wait for guys like Reinhart to season in the AHL and lottery picks every year. Making a move like this will be giving up some potential and valuable picks. However, the value in Jones and his fit on the Oilers makes it worth it.
Let me know how far off I am, who adds, or any suggestions. Thanks!
1.) 01 Dec 2015 03:10:54
Personnally, I think a trade around RNH vs Weber is more probable for two reasons:
1. NAS are looking for a real 1Center and with McDavid/Draisaitil, EDM have depth
2. NAS have a budget to respect and with the massive contract that Weber have, they wouldn't be able to resign the yongsters like Josi/Jones/Forsberg. Also, NAS have depth with their D-man.
2.) 01 Dec 2015 03:15:26
Who the hell do you think Jones is? A hybrid between Pronger, Lidstrom, Doughty and Keith? There is not a single player in the league worth a package like that. that's almost 5 first round pick (yak= 1st, Reinhart (gave up 16th pick plus early 2nd) ) . You are clueless if you think Jones can bring you back a package like that.
3.) 01 Dec 2015 16:36:22
@Pitrainer Yea you are probably right, but I still think someone in the mould of Seth Jones, that will develop into his prime with McDavid and the other young guns is more desirable for Edmonton
@BeastMode97 Calm down. Yes I agree that this is an overpayment. However, it is not near the overpayment that you make it out to be. In order for Edmonton to keep their core intact and acquire a top talent like Jones, who I do believe will develop to be in the class of the players you listed, they need to give up some assets. And I must caution you to judge player value on where they were drafted or on the price paid to acquire them. I do not believe that Reinhart is worth the price paid for him and with Edmonton's wealth of young talent on the left side with Nurse and Klefbomb and the emergence of Davidson, that looks like a nice 1-2-3 punch on the LH side on top of the settling in of Sekera which makes 4 legit options on the left side. I have two questions for you, who does Reinhart pass to win a roster spot? (None of the options listed in my opinion) And the second, if I am so far off on Jones' value, please fill me in on what the Oilers would have to pay to acquire him?
4.) 01 Dec 2015 16:43:38
@beastmode
Yakupov and Reinhart are potential busts
Jones is the top defensive prospect IMO you won't get without overpaying. I don't care where Yakupov and Reinhart was drafted that means nothing in their value.
5.) 01 Dec 2015 17:50:19
Shoot for Hamonic it won't cost nearly as much.
6.) 01 Dec 2015 18:07:48
lol beastmode. yakupov an renihart aer pretty much busts (yak has proven once again tat he's nothign without mcdavid) , jones is definitely worth more than an unprotected pick that';; likely fall somewhere in the top 10 and a protected one that'll fall 15-30, ok 15-29 :D.
7.) 01 Dec 2015 20:06:15
Only way Nashville trades Jones is for Mcdavid/Draisitl/RNH not draft picks.
8.) 02 Dec 2015 02:18:06
3 top 5 picks, a number 16 pick and a number 33 pick. Basically 5 first round picks. Not a chance from edmonton.
25 Aug 2014 18:59:10
To EDM: Henrique
TO NJ: Petry, Lander, 2016 2nd (+ maybe a defensive prospect like Gernat or Oesterle?)
EDM gets a solid 2C or maybe even 1C with his chemistry with Hall from Junior. Henrique has a good contract for the next 5 years, the Oilers would have to give up a lot to get him but I think he would be a good fit.
NJ gets some help on defense in Petry, a depth center that can play the wing in the bottom 6. Lander also is young and has the potential to find the scoring touch he displayed in the AHL. A solid pick (good chance it will be between 31-45). Plus a defensive prospect with NHL potential if needed.
Hit me up with suggestions.
1.) Not enough for Henrique
19 Aug 2014 20:37:45
This post is never actually going to happen, I am just curious on some thoughts about a huge roster move from EDM and where I stand on matching value:
TO CLB: Yakupov, Lander, Petry, Marincin, Musil, Moroz, 2015 2nd, 2016 2nd
TO EDM: Jack Johnson, Murray, Anisimov
CLB gets a future first line RW, a depth centermen (4C potential maybe 3C), a top 4 defensemen and a Solid Prospect (Top 4 likely) in Marincin, 2 good prospects in Musil and Moroz that can progress to crack their NHL roster and 2 great picks.
EDM gets big left handed defensemen that can step in and play Top 2 minutes in Johnson. An extremely promising young defensemen in Murray (Potential top 2), and a 3C/2C in Anisimov.
*Oilers sign Setoguchi to a 1 yr 1M "prove yourself" deal* (making them scratch the cap) to fill hole from Yakupov
Like I said, I know this is never going to happen. Way to many big name players and key pieces flying around. Let me know thought on values, I am expecting a large amount of people who disagree that this is even close haha.
Hit me up with suggestions.
1.) Both teams decline.
2.) Jackets decline. Yak is the only thing going the other way with good value
3.) Yak and Musil
4.) @Charles Xavier
You have no idea what you're talking about. NO IDEA. So far, what i've been seeing. Marincin>Yakupov (last year)
Okay, this trade is terrible just plain terrible.
1. Edmonton doesn't need Murray
2. Face it, as much as Edmonton needs a 2nd line center. They aren't trading for one right now. Draisaitl has a chance of making it.
3. Our 2 second round picks is worth Jack Johnson, but Columbus is not trading him.
4. Lol Yak still has a chance at the NHL.
5. Marincin isn't going for that return
6. Edmonton wants to keep their dman propsects.
7.Moroz is NOT going anywhere. Its like saying Sam Bennet is getting traded.
8. If Petry is going, then he is going for a 2nd line center or a dman that is worth the amount he is, maybe less. (Matt Greene, Jake Muzzin) Not saying that they want to come to Edmonton.
9. Edmonton doesn't need Setoguchi.
10. If you don't think this is going to happen, then don't post it. You should know know that none of these teams are giving up those players.
There, I listed 10 things that are wrong.
9.
5.) ^respect my authority
6.) @Oilersblue calm down man.
1. EDM doesn't need Murray? He's an incredibly promising denfender likely to turn into a number one defensemen. Oilers shoulda takin him instead of Yak.
2. I know they won't trade for one, this reason is valid.
3. No way Jack Johnson is worth 2 2nds yuou are undervaluing a big realiable denfensive defensemen.
4. Yak still has a chance at the NHL? No duh. Dumb comment.
5. Murray>Marincin
6. I wouldn't be surprised if EDM trades defensive prospects for better defensive prospects
7. You are right, Moroz likley isn't moving in a deal like this but he's defintely not Sam Bennet
8. You are likely right about the Petry getting traded situation.
9. If Oilers traded Yak they could use Setoguchi to fill the hole. if he's cheap why not? But again you are right if there is no hole at RW created they don't need him (wouldnt be a good 4th liner on defensive based line)
10. I posted because I would like to see a block buster trade like this and in order to entice the Jackets to shake some of these players loose I believe the oilers would have to over pay. But this was a bit excessive. Also posted for fun.
You listed maybe 5 valid reasons why this wouldn't work
14 Aug 2014 16:57:41
Not too sure about this, but I could see all of these guys being on the block.
To DAL: Joensuu, Acton, Oesterle, 3rd round 2015
To EDM: Rights to Eakin
EDM obviously fills one of their holes at 2C or 3C.
DAL gets some depth players (Especially LW in Joensuu, possible 4th liner), a defensive prospect and a mid pick in a strong draft year.
(Not too sure about the values on this one, just looking at what each team could give up and the areas that could use some love)
Let me know what you think on the values and hit me up with suggestions.
1.) Not worth it for Dallas. They don't need more 4th liners and depth players. Centerpiece would have to be better than Jonesuu. Probably a defenceman.
2.) Stars pass. Quality over quantity
3.) 14 Aug 2014 22:39:34
Eakins would be the perfect fit for te oilers, but I don't think the offer works. The stars want d-men. They probably would want Petry.
4.) Yea, that's kind of what I figured to be honest. Just figured maybe if the oil through enough at them they'd let go of Eakin.
And personally I can't see Petry going in a deal that is not a multi-player deal that sees another defensemen going back to edmonton.
5.) The fact that I haven't heard of any of these Oilers make me think that something is wrong with this proposal.
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26 Aug 2014 19:25:49
How much would it cost the oilers to reunite Boychuck with Ference in Edmonton?
Would Edmonton be able to acquire Boychuck and a 2C/3C from Boston with Petry +?? going back in return?
Or is Edmonton better off waiting until he's a UFA and throwing some money at him?
1.) The oilers should let the kids develop another year. I am a leafs fan so I can relate to the frustration you are feeling. but the oilers have some incredible young talent and need to be patient one more year. their is only a few teams with a better chance of drafting in top 2 next year IMO. hold on another year and the oilers will be good again.
2.) 27 Aug 2014 02:57:21
what 2/3c coudl boston move though?
3.) I agree we have no more room for d. Next year potentially nurse, Klefbom and Marincin (if not this year) will be in the lineup. That means Schultz, Ference, Nikitin, Fayne, nurse, Marincin, Klefbom. IMO too many top d as it is. Not saying the oilers have good d but potentially in the future one of the best.
4.) Defintiely a good way of thinking about it. I think if the Oilers hang on to those 3 defensive prospects their top 4 will be set. At the same time, if they are going to wait I think they should sign Petry longer term so he doesn't walk for nothing, or trade fot a 2C/3C. I feel like he has the potential to drastically improve and be a solid, more reliable NHL blueliner. IMO.
@Shankar in one of my previous posts I suggested Kelly to get some experience and reliability down the middle. He's also got a nice scoring touch and I think could help out the 3rd line. But I have no idea if that's even a posibility.
@Oilers_11 man that line up sounds very intriguing. Especially in a few years down the road, However there is 5 left handed defensemen in there and 2 rightys in Fayne and Schultz. Do we deal someone or just play the off side like the Red Wings do (7 left handed d)?
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01 Dec 2015 16:36:22
@Pitrainer Yea you are probably right, but I still think someone in the mould of Seth Jones, that will develop into his prime with McDavid and the other young guns is more desirable for Edmonton
@BeastMode97 Calm down. Yes I agree that this is an overpayment. However, it is not near the overpayment that you make it out to be. In order for Edmonton to keep their core intact and acquire a top talent like Jones, who I do believe will develop to be in the class of the players you listed, they need to give up some assets. And I must caution you to judge player value on where they were drafted or on the price paid to acquire them. I do not believe that Reinhart is worth the price paid for him and with Edmonton's wealth of young talent on the left side with Nurse and Klefbomb and the emergence of Davidson, that looks like a nice 1-2-3 punch on the LH side on top of the settling in of Sekera which makes 4 legit options on the left side. I have two questions for you, who does Reinhart pass to win a roster spot? (None of the options listed in my opinion) And the second, if I am so far off on Jones' value, please fill me in on what the Oilers would have to pay to acquire him?
Solid idea. I see the potential for this to happen. I have seen these names bouncing around the rumour mill too.
Krug would be a good fit in EDM but that would even get the Oilers one of his hockey sticks
The Oilers would never do that for 2 reasons:
1. Boychuck is a soon to be UFA. Maybe put a conditional 2nd that turns to a 4th if he doesn't resign in 2015 and a 3rd in 2016 (Only if he signs) or something to that effect.
2. The Oilers have a huge hole at center right now and Arco is a big part of their make shift top 3 C's. Trading him for another D would pave the road to the draft lottery
Great first post! I got chewed out on my first post haha.
My thoughts are that WPG is going to want more/younger players but this is likely as good as they are going to get because of Kanes attitude issues.
Also, I think that MTL is giving up a lot in this deal so combine that with how much WPG wants and its close.
(Maybe switch Fucale and Tokarski?)
Tokarski's value is high after their playoff run and Fucale is an awesome prospect with high potential. Going to have to pick one and trade the other. I'd go with Fucale because he's younger and MTL still has budaj to back up Price until Fucale is ready for the job.
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Defintiely a good way of thinking about it. I think if the Oilers hang on to those 3 defensive prospects their top 4 will be set. At the same time, if they are going to wait I think they should sign Petry longer term so he doesn't walk for nothing, or trade fot a 2C/3C. I feel like he has the potential to drastically improve and be a solid, more reliable NHL blueliner. IMO.
@Shankar in one of my previous posts I suggested Kelly to get some experience and reliability down the middle. He's also got a nice scoring touch and I think could help out the 3rd line. But I have no idea if that's even a posibility.
@Oilers_11 man that line up sounds very intriguing. Especially in a few years down the road, However there is 5 left handed defensemen in there and 2 rightys in Fayne and Schultz. Do we deal someone or just play the off side like the Red Wings do (7 left handed d)?
Centers probably Nielson or maybe Nelson
Lundqvist > Price (not by much, and Price is younger. I'd take Price)
Mcdonaugh = Subban (Mcdonagh is better all around, Subban is way more explosive and more offensive. Depending on team need which is better)
Stepan > Pleckanec (More so because they are similar in skill but Stepan is way younger and has the potential to improve. Plekanec is at his ceiling and may even be on the decline)
Patches >> St. Louis (Not even close. St. Louis is damn near 40 years old. Maybe has another 3, 4 years in him. Pacioretty is 25 and is a solid player for Montreal. I`d take Patches over St. Louis any day)