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08 Nov 2018 19:21:57
3 way deal
Leafs get kessel
Pittsburg gets peche lievo and t. os 2nd and 3rd from carolina
Car gets nylander.

1.) 08 Nov 2018 22:10:56
So Leafs get back a now old Kessel and give up Nylander, Leivo and a 2nd Round Pick.
Ya that's something Dubas will jump on.

2.) 09 Nov 2018 18:22:52
Nylanders gone anyway we are still paying some of kessels salary. And for the money nylander wants why not give it to kessel way better player.

23 Feb 2018 17:29:46
Leivo and a 4th for kassian.

23 Feb 2018 17:27:17
Jvr, carrick liligran a first and 3rd for ek and ryan.

29 Jan 2015 17:33:54
Toronto needs a big change to start building for the future. They need a number one center to build around ,along with Reilly and bernier. The only team that can afford to trade a number one center is colarado, since they have two.
To col. Kessel franson and a 2nd
To tor. McKinnon, that leaves them with duch and orielly.

1.) Agree they need a number 1 center,

However as soon as they trade kessel they will be looking for a player exactly like him to play with the number 1 center.

If edm gets 1 of the top 2 picks they will be trading either (eichel/mcdavid) or RNH. They won't keep both and they can't because they need defenceive help.

Toronto should hold out and use nylander, gardiner, reimer, 1st 2015, phaneuf, even reilly or JVR to try and land one of edmontons centerman.

both teams need to do something big. McDavid a leaf!

2.) COL wouldn't do this trade. it makes no sense to trade MacKinnon right now, even if you're getting Kessel (which is really the only thing intriguing about what's been offered here). Maybe if it was TO 1st and a d-man with some term. and that's still a BIG maybe.

3.) 30 Jan 2015 19:15:44
Leafs pass. Mckinnon is a bust. Only one decent season

15 Nov 2014 03:41:45
To edm: reimer and robidas
To t.o : petty and a 3rd

Then to car: kadri Gardiner Ashton and a 2nd
To t.o e.stall

1.) No thnank you edmonton if you were the last team in the nhl i would not deal with you ,cause you always want to give away trash and want good players so no thankyou

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02 Dec 2018 00:05:29
Dubas buckled and set a bad presidence.

1.) 02 Dec 2018 02:34:10
Yeah he might have buckled a little bit.

2.) 02 Dec 2018 13:10:42
I still think Nylander should have signed for less than Pastrnak (on a cap-inflation adjusted basis — so maybe like $6.5 mln) . That said, considering his camp was looking for something like $8-$8.5 mln, and that he ultimately signed for under $7mln, that’s a win by Dubas all day.

Also, given how his contract/ bonuses are structured, after receiving his second year bonus he’s due less than $6 mln in actual salary for years 2+ of his contract, which increases his trade value (makes him more appealing for smaller market, smaller payroll teams) .

3.) 02 Dec 2018 15:18:18
We only heard he was looking for 8mil plus. We don't know that. You can pick out which parts of the rumors we have heard and stack em all in dubas favour if you want but this deal eventhough it isn't horrible for either party leans toward nylanders side I would think. its for sure not a win for dubas by any means as I'm positive he wanted him to sign for much less. Again not a horrible deal but I bet willy was a lot happier signing on the dotted line then dubas was.

4.) 02 Dec 2018 15:38:10
And looking at it through nylanders eyes it's a 6 year 45mil deal isn't that 7.5mil per year on average?

5.) 02 Dec 2018 16:14:46
You are totally right about it being what we’ve heard. I was most certainly not in the room, but if you’re not believing what we heard from Bob Mckenzie, Friedman, etc. what sources are you going to believe? That’s not me picking “parts of a rumour” that make Dubas look good that’s going on what is the most likely source of the truth. If you have any better ideas of what his camp was looking for I’m all ears.

And no, it’s not $7.5 mln a year. There’s a difference between salary and cap hit; the Leafs could care less about salary; it’s the cap hit that matters to them.

Nor did I say this is horrible for Nylander—clearly stated above I think he got about half a mill more than he should have, but it’s way better than what was (most credibly) rumoured he was looking for, and now with 6 years at a reasonable number he’s far more valuable in a trade scenario than he was with no contract and asking for the world. That’s a win by Dubas imo.

6.) 02 Dec 2018 16:42:12
And like I said above in nylanders eyes it's 7.5 mil a year on average. Also most of the insiders including mackenzie and friedman all said the rumors were just speculation and that the leafs and nylander were both doing a good job keeping the terms of the negotiation very quiet. And in case you haven't learned this yet I'll explain it to you now unless these insiders claim their story is from a source then it is just speculation sometimes it's very logical speculation but speculation none the less. I mean did people need these guys to tell them carolina or anahiem would be good trading partners for the leafs.? No it's because both teams have depth on defence and that's what we all think the leafs are looking for. So yes it one way it is a win for dubas cause they get back a top 6 forward who should have been there the last 2 months but I really wouldn't say he won this negotiation.

7.) 02 Dec 2018 16:51:56
I don’t think anyone is trying to make Dubas look like a hero habby, simply defending the fact that he did not buckle. Like unsportsmanlike said, we can only go off what we hear, not a bad deal for either side though like you said. Marner and Matthews will be tough for sure, I think anyone would like to have this problem though. If they have to trade someone down the road to fit everyone, so be it. I’m sure the return would be nice as well with a few players on smaller contracts, picks or prospects.

8.) 02 Dec 2018 17:00:55
We'll unsportsmanlike is trying a little bit lol. And yes I did say it wasn't a horrible deal for either side. And nylander on this deal should still be easy to trade if they need to. But again nylander didn't buckle either and I don't think matthews or marner will.

9.) 02 Dec 2018 17:34:48
You’re absolutely right about Marner and Matthews habby. The way Marner is playing is scary to think of what he’ll ask. I’m very happy with the way things played out. We all know that if signing the other 2 become an issue, Nylander will be the one to go and yes it shouldn’t be difficult to trade him. I’m sure Tavares would understand the business side of things and not be too upset if Dubas can’t keep all 3, as he said he would. Some others on this site have to find the negative in everything.

10.) 02 Dec 2018 18:45:36
If a leaf fan can’t say Nylander was looking for $8+ because that’s speculative and not confirmed than you don’t know dubas wanted him signed for ‘much less’ lol that’s just as speculative. For all we know dubas started at $7 mill and took money off the table as days passed. That’s obviously not likely but how is it known dubas wanted less than this but it’s an unknown that willy wanted way more?! Lol every credible person I’ve heard or read was pretty similar in their reporting that Nylander started at $8+ (doesn’t mean that’s what he actually wanted or expected) and dubas in the mid 6’s. Well $6.9 cap hit (the only number that matters and why it took so long) is a lot closer to $6.5 than $8.5 or even $8.

11.) 02 Dec 2018 18:48:33
Plus any time a deal is structured in a way that makes an asset easier to keep and move at the same time, I don’t know how that can’t be considered leaning towards a win for the team over the player. But I expected the same thing on here whether the leafs traded him, signed him for a dollar or he sat out he year lol.

12.) 02 Dec 2018 19:20:14
We'll that's dumb obviously dubas wanted him cheaper lol. wouldn't you? I never said it wasn't possible that willy wanted 8.5 but it's not fact and nobody has proven it plus if dubas started at 6.5 and nylander started at 8 like you say isn't 7.5 closer to 8? I think it's a win for willy but still not horrible for the leafs.

13.) 02 Dec 2018 21:01:30
The cap hit is closer to dubas number and actual cash is closer to Nylanders then. Isn’t that a win for both? Hence why it had to go till December to happen. I don’t get what’s so difficult for habs and oilers fans to get about that. Extremely simple economics. The player got more money than people thought he was worth, the team got the cap hit a lot lower than actual salary. How is that a bad thing. I’m now hoping for oilers and habs to have something fall their way this week because you guys need something else going on lol.

14.) 02 Dec 2018 22:43:26
And when you say Nylander didn’t buckle, you know this for a fact also? Because Darren Dreger reported that leafs weren’t trading him, and made a final offer to him that morning and were waiting for his response. If he didn’t accept it, they were letting him sit out. I would say he didn’t buckle if he was still in Sweden today With his heels firmly dug in, but That’s not the case.

15.) 03 Dec 2018 00:09:13
Yeah ok we'll if you guys came on here and said it was a win for both sides I wouldn't have said anything lol. Thanks for admitting that and clearing everything up jim.

16.) 03 Dec 2018 12:44:56
We said it’s a win for the leafs and their cap situation because they get a really good player back in the lineup on a contract that’s easier to trade by the day. Didn’t say it was good for Nylander because that doesn’t matter to us. Cap hit is all that matters. Give him $20 mill a year for all I care, of the cap hit is $6.9 mill lol not difficult.

17.) 03 Dec 2018 13:24:21
I don’t care if it’s a win for Nylander lol that’s why we didn’t say it. It was a win for dubas bottom line. We care that the cap hit is reasonable so we can be a contender for a while. I’ve said it 10 times but I still don’t get why that’s hard to understand. The only number that matters is cap hit. That’s all we care about. I don’t care if Nylander gets $20 million a season, good for him, if the cap hit is under $7 mill. Leafs have endless cash, which is why they can front load all these contracts like his, Tavares and probably Matthews and Marners too. Some teams have to sell tickets that season just to pay their player salaries. Leafs don’t have to. Endless cash. Cap hit. That’s it. Get that through your head lol.

18.) 03 Dec 2018 15:42:10
Yeah I'm sorry jim your the only person in the world who knows anything about cap hit lol.

19.) 03 Dec 2018 16:49:56
Well clearly constantly talking about how much Nylanders getting paid means you’re having a tough time with it lol no one but Nylander should care how much cash he’s getting. It’s irrelevant to the structure of the team. Leafs are fine giving him more money than it shows on the books and eventually another team will be happy to give him far less money than it shows on the books.

20.) 03 Dec 2018 22:36:43
I don't care how much he makes either don't start twisting things again. I argued dubas didn't win the deal and it was more of a win for nylander. If you can't accept that just move on man. i know how cap hits and salary and blah blah blah works. Ok dubas got a better deal with regards to cap hit but so does he wait till December 1st again next year to sign matthews and marner? I mean That's the only reason the cap hit is as low as it is so I guess if he does that he will win those two negotiations too right?

21.) 03 Dec 2018 23:01:42
No, he won’t need to. He needed to do it this time because Nylander wanted more than he’s worth and they need the cap for the other 2. They could afford to have Nylander sit out a lot more than the other 2. And at Nylanders demands, there was zero fear of an offer sheet. It was a calculated risk. With the other 2 here will be a legit fear for an offer sheet, especially with Matthews. Someone will risk 4 first rounders for him, that wasn’t going to happen for Nylander and if it did, we take it and run. Use 2 of them to acquire a young scorer and 2 to get a Dman lol.

22.) 04 Dec 2018 00:10:14
I think if someone had offer sheeted nylander a 5 year 40 mil deal he would have signed it in a heartbeat. That would have got the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd. I don't think you have to worry about an offer sheet from anyone it just don't happen now.

23.) 04 Dec 2018 04:17:50
They also said his minimum term he would accept was 6 years. Figured that was in the article you got all your other facts from. 8 mill a year for 6 years (2 firsts, 1 second and a third) 7 years (4 firsts) . He apparently refused any talks of a deal less than 6 years. So minimum was going to be 2 firsts+. Depending what team it was from, that’s a good return.

24.) 04 Dec 2018 04:46:50
Another report lol. Jim your losing it over this man. Do you honestly think nylander would turn down 40 mil over 5 years for 42 mil over 6 years. Come on. And I Actually think another team could have got him for a 1st,2nd and 3rd at like 5years 40.6 mil then for sure he signs.

25.) 04 Dec 2018 13:08:02
Just thought that would be in your made up report. Yours are gospel, anyone else’s is BS so I wanted to know if it was in yours. Then I could know if my source was good. That’s all.

26.) 04 Dec 2018 15:13:49
You do realize by now it was not a made up report right?

27.) 04 Dec 2018 16:31:53
I never actually assumed it was made up, it’s just funny that anyone else’s aren’t accurate but the ones you read.

28.) 04 Dec 2018 19:28:05
No I still stand by what I said I don't believe anything from those guys untill they have an actual source. They are in the posistion that they can sometimes get one while we are not. But until they do they are no different from you or I. We knew what range this deal would be in just as we'll as they did. We knew the most logical trading partners just as we'll as they did. We also knew how this deal could be structured if they waited till dec.1st by looking at cap friendly which is what they did.

28 Nov 2014 17:56:38
I know there are a lot of leaf haters here, but that aside what ( being fair ) would Toronto have to give up to get Stewart from buffalo.
I was thinking Gardner who is young and a lot of upside

1.) Nothing. Their issues have little to do with their forward depth.

Trading Gardiner does (or anyone off the D right now - unless it's to bring back a D-man) not make sense.

2.) I was talking to a leaf fan at my school and he said Toronto has 2 of the best goalies in the league. He also said Bozak was the best center.

3.) 28 Nov 2014 21:45:41
A true Leaf fan, lol.

THEGR81 is correct, don't think TOR needs Stewart. Should rather go for D.

4.) Well your friend is mistaken. bernier and riemer have to be the best tandem in the world, not just the NHL and bozak is a lock for the HOF. hahah i'm sure he was joking buddy

5.) Pro depth your friend is an person and there is no way around it

There not the worst goalies but far from the best.
Not the worst first line c but very far from the top

16 Nov 2014 03:12:17
Toronto has hit a new low losing 6-2 to buffalo.without orr and McLaren they have become to soft, I like clarckson but when that's your toughest player your team is in trouble. The only reason Toronto made the playoffs and when to 7 games was their toughness and obviously skill , but without that toughness they wouldn't have made the playoffs. Playing without toughness and not getting a true number one center to play with kessel they might as well have a fire sale and start over. The other option is get rid of Noni's , and stop shanahan from trying to turn them into the redwings.

1.) 16 Nov 2014 07:58:32
yup ,lose one game need to rebuild and tear down. but next wekk say they win all 3 of their games its time to trade rielly, nylander and all firsts for the next 5 years for older upgrades cause obvioulsy TOR's a cup contender then.

2.) ^^^^ keep it up shankar!

3.) 16 Nov 2014 19:22:26
i don't like to insult people, but stuff like that just annoys me. sure, they lost to BUF and it was ahorrible game, but saying you have to rebuild because of it is just annoying.

4.) I guess Boston should probably rebuild too after losing to Toronto 6-1 and then Montreal 5-1.

Makes so much sense.

5.) @THEGR81 at least Boston hasn't lost 9-2.

15 Nov 2014 03:55:13
Tor edm trade not bad . I posted one similar reimer and robidas for petty and a 3rd

03 Jul 2014 02:09:57
Vrbata to the canucks

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15 Jan 2019 04:44:09
Wouldnt trade kapi for hamilton strait up hamilton is very overated.

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12 Jan 2019 01:27:26
Not sure what terasenko value is. just hard to believe the season he's having.

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12 Jan 2019 01:24:09
Leafs don't need a d prospect at least not for willie . they need a d to try and win the cup in the next three years.

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07 Jan 2019 01:18:46
Considering hannafins numbers are way better than hamiltons and he's 4 years younger. I would say he already regrets it. They are stuck with hamilton they overpaid huge no other gm will do the same. Its take a loss or keep him.

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27 Dec 2018 06:24:20
Chicago should have kept joel. Q and kane rest is up for trade.

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