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01 Sep 2014 18:06:37
chara should go it can help our cap situation and get a good return something like
to buf: chara kelly paille 2015 4th
to bos: gorges and gionta + prospect
dal: chara kelly paille
bos: hemsky daley +prospect
edm: chara kelly 2015 4th
bos: fayne purcell
next 2 are stretches
lak: chara paille kelly 2015 2nd
bos: gaborik greene
nyr: chara marchand kelly 2015 3rd
bos: mcdonogh nash
pit: chara kelly 2015 3rd
bos: ehroff dupios
sjs: chara, marchand
stl: chara kelly
bos: shattenkirk tarasenko
tbl:chara 2015 1st 2016 5th
van: chara kelly 2015 3rd
Bos: edler, burrows
that it lmk what u think
That rangers trade.lol
You really don't like chara
So you're saying that Callahan is worth more than shattenkirk and tarasenko combined?
i agree more should be added to shattenkirk and tarasenko deal but I think tbl is more unwilling to part ways with callahand than stl is with tarasenko and shattenkirk
30 Aug 2014 18:18:56
WNG: R.Nash, 2nd Round Pick
More like Nash for Kane and a 2nd.
30 Aug 2014 15:52:30
Read an article on this. Found it very intriguing. What if the Boston Bruins decided to trade Zdeno Chara? He's aging, but wouldn't get a bigger return for him then right now. They are trying to clear some cap space, which would be accomplished with this deal. Plus they could easily upgrade their top-six forwards with trading him. Now IMO I don't think Boston will trade him as long as they are a cup contender. BUT if the right deal came along, I think they would consider.
That deal would probably look like.
Top-six right winger, top 4 defender, 1st round pick. (Depending on value, could add a decent prospect or other pick)
So which teams would be interested?
Not as many as you'd think but, I believe Los Angeles, New York Rangers, Montreal, Tampa Bay, and Detroit would be most interested.
Keep in mind, the Bruins might want to get younger, clear cap space, and possibly deal a defender that is slowing down.
The potential trades:
BOS: Zucarello, Girardi, 1st 2017
BOS: Palat, Carle, 1st 2015, 2nd 2016
I'm having a hard time placing value. Ignore the fact that you don't think Chara will get traded, just give your 2 cents on what they would get in return? Thanks for reading
I agree boston should trade him he is totally slowing down.but if they did, which they won't cause they are not smart enough. they would trade him to a western team.
Tough one. I just can't see them moving him.chara for yakupov lol
30 Aug 2014 17:24:46
Boy, I don't know where to start in saying how bad that is for every team not named Boston.
First of all, why the hell would LA be interested? They (and maybe STL) have the best D corps in the NHL.
Second, Chara is already declining, he's 37 and has one, MAYBE two good seasons left. Sure, he's still a very good dmen, but he isn't worth all that.
NYR: Girardi isn't much worse, but way younger and has a way better contract, which makes his trade value AT LEAST even to Chara's, rather higher. Still add Zuccarallo and a 1st? No thanks.
TB: WHY? TB has just added Stralman and Garrison to their D, their fine with it now, no need.
Besides that, value is so far off.
Carle may be a bit overpayed, but he's a solid top 4 guy. Palat was a calder finalist and is IMO untouchable for TB, I'm pretty sure he is a future Selke nominee, if not winner. Plus a 1st in the McDavid draft and another 2nd? that's insane.
I'm pretty sure most people disagree on what I'll say now, but i'm pretty sure Yzerman wouldn't trade Palat straight up for Chara.
Think 10-15 more years of a promising young forward, with great two way play VS 1 or MAX 2 years of an already declining Dmen, that TB doesn't really need.
30 Aug 2014 17:27:43
To answer your question:
Tbh I think Chara could fetch a good-paid top 4 dmen (for the cap, if other team is close to cap, too) and a prospect/mid pick.
Or a very good D prospect like (not saying PIT needs him or whatever, just an example) Maatta and a 5th or so
Wow draisaitl you're becoming more of a douche. How bout you give you're opinion on charas value rather than telling everyone their wrong.thats easy and of no use. So tell us what's fair value for chara oh wise one
30 Aug 2014 19:25:12
those packages you're putting together would be for a 30 year old chara, not a 37 year old one. he's worth nowhere near that and last year really showed some signs of declining.
Idk about all that. Tampa got 2 firsts along with Callahan for (then) 37 year old St. Louis. Not saying it's believable, but something similar happened only half a year ago.
Boston needs to just give him lless minutes.
I agree, why would a team trade away youth and picks for 1 or 2 years from an aging, albeit good dman? I don't see it happening. His career will almost certainly end in boston
Chara has a lot of value and he's still a very effective player. Every team that wants to compete this year would be interested to some degree in trading for big z. Correct me if I'm wrong but he would still be better than 4 too 7 dmen on any team. He finally slowed down a touch, but he is still a beast.
Coyotes get chara
Bruins get connor Murphy,Lucas lessio,4th rd pick if big z wanted to play there
Chara isn't worth much at all now. He looks slow.
31 Aug 2014 06:43:42
@drgonzo: As you see, I did just that.
How about YOU giving an assessment here or elsewhere instead of only always saying that I am a douche or whatever?
I'm at least talking hockey. You're talking me, lol.
31 Aug 2014 06:48:15
Shankar ist exactly right, that's for a 30yr old Chara.
The St.Louis comparison is a bit wrong IMO, Marty did show no signs at all of slowing down, he scored 4 goals vs SJ, won the Art Ross a year ago and averaged like 1.1 PPG the last 5 years.
Plus, the Rangers knew that Callahan would prolly leave either way in FA since they couldn't agree on a new contract.
Also, Callahan is not old at 29, but oldER than Palat at 23, who hasn't reached his full potential yet, so that's a difference, too.
Plus Rangers were/are in a desperate win-now-mode, which TB isnt. At least not desperate, since we got SY.
Everyone here is wrong chara is worth nowhere near these deals but if they find the right team and add in other players like kelly plus prospects and maybe 1st or 2nd pick they could get a top 4 d man plus top six right winger to a team that's going for the cup this year
I gave my opinion on the post.i then gave my opinion on you being a douche after reading you're comment.clearly I'm not the only one who has a problem with you based on the amount of clicks as we'll as hockeygodsgift and mrenlightened and others both telling you to shut up and post an idea if you're so smart rather than just dumping on peoples ideas.
01 Sep 2014 18:07:22
Lol, you three have a problem with me because you don't like that I keep telling people they overvalue their players (especially TOR and MON), but it's just the truth.
And 90% of the time, I get more agree's than disagrees, which is pretty good, considering this site is super TOR and MON heavy, lol.
You still don't get it do you.
-You overvalue you're players too.
-you don't know more than the 3 of us if that's all it is.
-the amount of agrees/disagrees you get with words count.its not a clicking contest
This conversation has been comical to follow. Seems to be a lot of pent up angst finally coming out.
30 Aug 2014 15:31:57
jets: nash and kreider
rangers: kane and wheeler/ladd
it is fair for both teams??
28 Aug 2014 23:48:27
To NYI - Jeff Petry
To EDM - Josh Bailey
To NYI - Rights to John Moore
To NYR - josh Bailey, 2016 3rd
I am NYI fan, I totally agree with the firt trade, but the second trade for John Moore of the NYR who is a 5th D, the NYI already have plenty. I would defintley try to make an offer to PITT for Rob Bortuzzo-D, or ARI-Michael Stone-D. possibly
27 Aug 2014 20:25:52
SJ moves Marleau, receives a goalie that can challenge Niemi for starter. VAN rids itself of backup goalie controversy and then deals Marleau to BUF for right wing secondary scoring. SJ then deals other backup and rookie to NYR, where Lundqvist will be retiring in a few years and Stalock can take over while gets replacement scoring help for Marleau and Nieto. Oh, and the cap works for every team in this deal.
Zuccarello almost had 60 points.
Talbot is an amazing back up goalie, and when lundqvist stunk, he was good. And fast is a good young guy who will make the team next season
Zuccarello + talbot>>>stalock + nieto
Kaleta is a secondary scoring option? This is great news! Leafs will make a pitch for Marleau than using Orr. He is bigger than Kaleta and would be the perfect fit on Big Joe's RW. This is ridiculous.
1. Marleau may be reaching the end of his career but he can still produce big numbers. He scored 30+ goals last season and the sharks would expect way more in return than a 3rd goalie with a 3rd round pick.
2. Nieto and Stalock both had good seasons last year so I do not see the sharks getting rid of them so quickly. Nieto is only coming off of a rookie season and the Sharks will no doubt want to continue developing him before shipping him off.
26 Aug 2014 05:21:38
NYR: Marc Staal (if he won't re-sign)
NYI: Calvin de Haan and Anders Lee
26 Aug 2014 07:37:42
IF he doesn't want to resign with the Rangers, he prolly doesn't resign with the Isles, too.
I guess he wants to join his brothers then.
26 Aug 2014 21:42:49
i could see the isles doing that if he wouldn't resign with the rangers. of course they would do it without contact marc 1st to se if he was even interested in staying there and it would be another vanek situation likely.
23 Aug 2014 23:48:13
To Edmonton: Joe Thornton, 4th
To San Jose: Righs to Justin Schultz and Anton Belov, Matt Hendricks, 4th
To Washington: Colin Wilson
to Nashville: Troy Brouwer
To Vancouver: Evander Kane, 3rd
To Winnipeg: Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Nick Bonino
To Ottawa: 2nd, 4th
To Toronto: Marc Methot
To New York Rangers: Chris Stewart, Tyler Ennis, Matt Hackett
To Buffalo: Carl Hagelin, 3rd
To Toronto: Frans Nielsen
To New York Islanders: Cody Franson, Carter Ashton, 3rd
Methot is worth more than a 2nd and a 4th when he gets resigned. Terrible value, and he won't be going to a division rival. No clue what you were thinking there.
Nova x 65
We don't have rights to Belov. he's contract expired and he signed in the KHL.
I think toronto overpays slightly on both deals and this probably puts toronto over the cap.no way buffalo makes that deal.
Change Lack to Markstrom
1. The fourths would just cancel out
2. Decent value but I don't see nashville doing it with Wilson's upside
3. Not enough for Kane, Winnipeg is looking for prospects and picks not an aging blue liner, a 2nd/3rd liner and another back up. They need to prep for the future
4. Fair value but I doubt Ottawa trades to a division rival especially Toronto
5. Way too much for Hagelin, Ennis one of Murray's building blocks for the future
6. Too much for Neilsen, just Franson will do
Jumbo Joe for a bottom pairing dman and a 4th liner is brutal. Absolutely brutal.
24 Aug 2014 18:05:40
Way to much for Kane. Right now he's only a potential player
Nielsen has more value than franson.nielsen is not a terrible defender like franson and Nielsen puts up points+franson is soon a ufa IMO
Sure Nielsen may have a little more value but for each team it's even seeing as though Toronto needs more depth at centre and the isles need to upgrade their defense
So you're saying Nielsen is more valuable, but it's fair value because it fills positional needs.cmon man
21 Aug 2014 02:20:10
Kevin Hayes signs with the New York Rangers. 2 years 900.000
At 900k you would think all 30 teams would have made an offer.
Thegr81, that was the max contract I think, same as Shultz when he signed with Edmonton and dekeser when he signed with detroit
Yea but there are bonuses and they could be big justin Shultz is 925k but with bonuses it's 3m
The majority of teams probably did, but he had the ultimate choice of picking where he wanted to start his NHL career.
Who disagreed with MG69? his statement is true
^ maybe - you didn't hear much about it if they did. I guess his agent likely spread the word he had a short list and teams not on that list shouldn't even bother submitting an offer.
20 Aug 2014 15:14:42
2 Leaf moves that make sense.
4th Round Pick 2015
Then the Leafs send a invite to MFraser as a possible 7th Depth DMan to complete there Roster
I would add if the Jets or another Team wants Reimer proper assets for the future have to come back the Leafs way then sign a Brodeur otherwise you keep Reimer.
20 Aug 2014 15:55:31
If you honestly think Orr gets you a 4th rd pick, you should visit the doctor. NOW
Orr might get you a 7th round pick tops
Orr for future considerations
20 Aug 2014 18:01:45
Orr for a used blender and a piece of moldy bread
Ok make it a 7th Round Pick
Whatever it is Orr gets out of the Organization
I like the mark Fraser idea I wish I had of thought of that.
Honestly where do u start talking bout reimer
All you people bashing Orr show some respect man. The guy protected this team for years. Remember what it was like before he showed up, this team was pummelled to a pulp.
Johnny Utah makes a good point. The leafs got bullied and pushed around before Orr signed here,it was embarrassing.im grateful for what he's done for the leafs.
To rangers: colton orr
To leafs: half quarter, 2 bags of sweet chili heat
I respect that he could kick my ass.he has no trade value.
21 Aug 2014 07:53:19
^has nothing to do wih his trade value, tho.
His trade value is, AT MAX, a 7th rd pick
Let's say the Rangers WANTED Orr, they could go about acquiring him without giving up a 4th.
A pretty quick observation of the Leafs roster would tell you Orr is likely to be sent down. He is on a one-way contract. When he gets waived they can claim him then. Alternatively, let's say they don't want to risk it, they could like send a AHL player with an expiring contract or later pick in a couple years.
19 Aug 2014 22:41:05
To Nashville: John Moore, 3rd
To NY Rangers: Colin Wilson
To Edmonton: The Rights To Brandon Sutter, 2nd
To Pittsburgh: Nail Yakupov
To Carolina: 1st
To Pittsburgh: Jiri Tlusty, 6th
To Ottawa: Sergei Gonchar, Cody Eakin, 2nd
To Dallas: Bobby Ryan
To Boston: Evander Kane
To Winnipeg: Brad Marchand, Johnny Boychuk
I like that Boston trade
20 Aug 2014 12:25:25
Sutter is already signed, so rights to is wrong.
1st is too much for Tlusty
And Kane is worth more, Boychuk is basically useless for WPG since WPG isn't in win now for this season and Boychuk is a FA at years end
Not enough for Yak or Ryan
I like the idea of Yakupov having a change of scenery. Pitt would have to give up something else though.
The Ryan proposal makes me sick. We DON'T need another centre.
Nova x 65
yak for sutter and pouliot?
Ryan for olesiak and a 1st
21 Aug 2014 00:50:50
Boston trade. take away one or the other and throw in a pick. maybe. Ottawa politely declines their trade. They don't need or want Gonchar.
Wouldn't want to give up Poulliet plus he has more value right now because he won chl d-man of the year
13 Aug 2014 00:39:28
To NYR - Josh Bailey, 2016 3rd
To NYI - Kevin Klein
To CAL - Josh Bailey
To NYI - Ladislav Smid, 2015 4th
13 Aug 2014 06:36:53
Smid is better than Klein
Smid is also worth more than Bailey
Smid is one of the most undervalued players IMO
Would hate to see the Isles trade Bailey to the Rags, and then watch him become a really good player for them. I also do not see the Rags moving Klein right now with the uncertainty around Staal's contract. If Staal signs a long term deal than maybe Klein gets moved.
12 Aug 2014 15:12:42
Montreal trades Plekanec, Nyrgen, 1st and 3rd in '15 to Edmonton for Yakupov and 2nd in '15 or '16
Value of the players:
Plekanec is the 2C Edmonton has been searching for. Plays a complete game. Plays powerplay, kills penalties, brings veteran leadership though quietly and more through his play and actions than words. His contract comes up soon and Edmonton could potentially sign him for under 5 million per using him as 2C until Draisaitl is ready for that job and become the 3C giving Edmonton more than solid depth down the middle.
Nygren is a offensive right handed D man with a bomb of a shot. He would be a power play specialist for an Edmonton team though revamped on d this off season don't have a big shot up top.
The 1st and 3rd in 15 would equal to another prospect going to Edmonton.
The idea of Yakupov and Galchenyuk playing together in it's self is enough to why Montreal would do this trade and why Edmonton would have the leverage in trade talks and why Montreal would have to over pay. Though a defensive liability Montreal plays a team game and can cover up for him like they do with DD.
Pacioretty- DD - Gallagher
Sekac- Galchneyuk- Yakupov
Bournival- Eller- Paranteu
Weise- Maholtra- Bourque
Hall- RNH- Eberle
Perron- Plekanec- Purcell
Pouliot- Gordon - Arcobello
Joensuu- Hendricks- Gazdic
You can't even compare Yakapovs defensive game to Desharnais' because they are no where close. Desharnais actually knows what to do when he's in their own end.
Yakupov for Del la Rose, Beaulieu and McCarron.
That sounds fair to me steamer
@ habsfan2 dd is a terrible defensive hockey player.end of debate.
Hall, RNH, and Yak for Bourque.
Fair and done deal. Well as fair as other person suggestions in THIS stream.
10 Aug 2014 00:11:25
Phi needs defence so IMO they should go after a pending ufa
As a ranger fan I don't wanna spend 6 mil on staal
Phi: Travis seinham luke schenn 2nd
Nyr: staal 3rd
Flyers get a top 2 defenceman and a 3rd round pick
Rangers get a good prospect who has potential to be like ryan mcdounagh, and a defenceman who needs a change in scenery and a fresh start. Also a 2nd round pick
08 Aug 2014 01:26:25
To NYR: Joe Thornton
To San Jose: Marc Staal, 2nd round pick
San Jose gets help on D and NYR gets the centre man they need.
Thornton takes over the first line centre spot and Stepan moves to the second line.
This puts the rangers over the cap what's the next move
Rangers would be over cap, besides their paying brassard bookoo dollars to be number two center behind stepan
08 Aug 2014 18:42:04
Make it Brassard instead of the pick then the cap might work out
02 Aug 2014 00:45:33
NYR: conditional 2nd or 3rd, Andrighetto
There's no way in hell the Rangers give Kreider away for table scraps.
01 Aug 2014 07:53:18
Rangers window of oppuritnity to win is now.
Rangers trade Derrick Brassard, Conner Allen , 2015 2nd or 2016 2nd (Rangers decision) & 2015 4th to the Hurricanes for Eric Staal (20% retained)
Brassard, 1st, 2nd at least. AT LEAST. Even that probably wouldn't do it
28 Jul 2014 04:50:40
Nyr: oscar lindberg 3rd
I would love to see jagr play in nyr for his final season
JAGR said he could believe in another season after the upcoming one.
Rangers need to win soon. i'd deffs trade for Jagr
28 Jul 2014 22:43:33
jagr would have to have a really down year to be done, really loves the game and I think he reallly regrets going to the khl cause he'd likely already be only the 2d player with 2000+ points, but that looks out of reach now sadly.
27 Jul 2014 23:29:08
To NYR: Jesse Joensuu
To EDM: 2015 6th round draft pick,
Rather put Brad Hunt on waivers, or trade him for a pick. (7th round) It will free up space to Darnell Nurse can have the Top 4 Role.
In my opinion it was good to not give a contract to Fedun, he get's injured easily and the Oilers' organization just wastes money on him. He doesn't play, but gets payed. We cannot just sign him, and then HOPE he won't get injured AGAIN.
To Arizona: 2016 3rd, Ryan Hamilton, Luke Gazdic, 2015 4th (Ottawa)
To EDM: Antoine Vermette 2nd Line Center
You actually have to give something to get something in return. For Vermette you'll have to start with a decent forward. He is Arizona's best scorer.
27 Jul 2014 06:02:26
Rangers: dylan mcilrath Jesper fast
Boston: Johnny boychuck
Boston gets two good prospects and it's destined for mcilrath to be a bruin
Rangers get a good defenceman who could bring in leader ship
Rangers: dan Boyle
Rangers get a centre they need and Montreal gets some veteran presence.
Now this is the big trade
Islanders: dal colle
Rangers get to move out some big salary
Islanders get the guy to help them win now because they don't have a 1st round pick.
Kreider stepan zuccarello
St.louis eller dal colle
Hagelin brassard miller
Stempniak Moore glass
Boyle isn't getting traded they just signed him
Boyle took less money to play in NY and Nash recently said he's never leaving the big apple, but I guess you can dream.
Even without a first round pick the islanders are planning for the future, with dal colle playing with tavares
buds till i die
24 Jul 2014 06:52:22
Oilers: lander + prospect (pitlick or gernat or khaira) + 2nd rd pk
Scenario if rangers can't get brassard signed.
Would oilers trade yakupov for brassard? I think it might too much. What would the rangers want from the oilers?
Rangers say no. Plain and simple. I have explanations to your trades above this one, but this requires no explanation because there is zero reason for NYR to make this trade and they'd lose out on it.
I agree with signing Loktionov if nothing else is available tho. Him or Mueller. I don't care if Mueller's FO% wasn't great when he was last in the NHL, he's a big body and was excellent the past two seasons in the Swiss Elite league. Worth a shot at a bargain price. If he doesn't work, play him on the wing and pit Arcobello in his place. It's not rocket science.
24 Jul 2014 00:36:28
NYR: D. Brassard, A. Duclair, Conditional 2nd (becomes a 2016 1st if Brassard doesn't sign)
SJ: J. Thornton
23 Jul 2014 20:39:45
NYR: 2 and 3 round picks
Montreal doesn't need another 2nd/3rd line C.
Replace the 2nd with Desharnais
20 Jul 2014 01:14:37
Rangers sign stempniak 1 year 900,000
Y dopeople say unbeliavable?? it just happened
I guess the people want rumors not facts.
16 Jul 2014 18:26:29
Ok people i'm tired of this of Kane rumors that he will go to the habs. I love that he might go but the rumours that people make are horrible including me! so I will try my hardest to make a deal or deals I should say
MTL: 3rd, Gabriel Dumout
NYR: Talbot, 6th
Right after that you offer WIN this
MTL: Plekanec, Talbot, 3rd, 2nd MTL (Not Buffalos)
I know it sucks but whatever.
I think the value is fairly close then not, but as a habs fan I want to keep Pleckanec, he is a great offensive defensive player/ second line center for Montreal!
I would much rather MB make a trade surrounding Eller.
Ask yourself what teams would offer for Subban. A similar package needs to come from Montreal to fetch Kane. Think how both sides may benefit if at all. Only the Habs benefit here.
17 Jul 2014 02:21:49
nothing for kane.
One problem in Plekanec is that he is getting 2nd line money even though offensive/defensive centre men are supposed to play shutdown and offense in a 3rd line role. Now he is turning into a more defensive centre because his age is catching up with him and his production has been going down.
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