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22 Feb 2017 14:44:19
Colorado Trades
Iginla

Ottawa Trades
Lazar

Iginla would just fit under the Ottawa Cap.

Lazar needs to get out of Ottawa and will play full time in Colorado.

Thoughts ?

22 Feb 2017 15:16:45
Finally a decent trade and home for Lazar!

Good trade for both sides!

22 Feb 2017 16:06:13
No from Ottawa, why trade a 21 year old player with potential for 20 games of a guy who won't help them (I love Iggy but he's too old and slow to benefit them really) .

Much rather them trade him for a second or third than that.

22 Feb 2017 17:43:29
Teams on the bubble of making a Stanley Cup run make trades like this McRazzle, Washington traded FForsberg for Erat a few years back to try and give them that push to win it all, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but teams do make trades like that, Lazar just isn't working out playing in Ottawa yes maybe Colorado could add a 3rd Round Pick in the deal but they might not have to with Ottawa looking for an Iginla type winger.

22 Feb 2017 17:55:46
Yeah I don't see this being good at all for Ottawa? Agree with mcrazzle. Lazar is 21 and iggy is what 38? Literally makes no sense.

22 Feb 2017 18:48:28
I think Pinball makes a fair point. Yeah maybe add a third to give OTT some youth in the trade.

22 Feb 2017 19:18:52
Well, teams don't really make trades like this. The Erat trade you are referencing had Erat traded at 31 years old, not 38. And sure, there are plenty of trades that happen like this but given the current market and any knowledge of Ottawa as an organization and you know they wouldn't do this.

22 Feb 2017 20:34:48
Got to look at this as Lazar is worth nothing right now and Ottawa gets something useful for now.

Don't forget that this is a weak draft year and a high probability exists that a 2nd or 3rd rounder won't ever make the NHL.

Get what you can for him right now.
Hopefully Colorado can give him the chance he needs to get into the NHL on a full time basis. And hopefully Iggy pots 4 GWG's consecutively in the first round of the playoffs to bury the leafs.

Both teams win.

22 Feb 2017 21:23:57
Not to mention that these trades, when they occur are to add that final piece that you believe put you over the top as a favourite. Ottawa isn't a guarantee to be in the playoffs at this point with their standings and injuries. Dumb move. Better to trade a pick for iggy (3-4th) and wait to make lazar for an equal prospect or 2nd at the draft.

21 Feb 2017 18:57:47
Only because of injuries would I even consider this if I'm ottawa. Talk Sakic down on price of landeskog if we give asking price for Duchesne thus.

To ottawa:
Landeskog, Duchesne

To colorado:
Ceci, white, 1st, Lazar, brassard, Neil, macarthur, 3rd, and 1 or 2 minor end pieces.

21 Feb 2017 19:20:15
Colorado's asking price FOR ONE of those 2
Top D prospect
Top Forward prospect
High picks

Probably double that to get both

2 D = Ceci and? I'd guess Chabot
2 Top forwards ( does not equal Lazar, 2 best Ottawa has )
2 High picks = 2017 1st for one of them 2017 1st and 2018 1st for both.

Sad weekend for Ottawa on the injury front, but at least it's ahead of the trade deadline where the GM can scramble to get a piece or 2.

21 Feb 2017 19:20:51
You just combined your last post. This probably just made it even worse/ harder for Colorado to want this.

21 Feb 2017 20:13:37
Please don't lump this guy in with the rest of the Ottawa fans. His proposals are trash.

21 Feb 2017 20:52:21
The asking price by Sakic himself is a top 4 defenceman (ceci), a top tier prospect, NOT defence prospect, any top tier prospect (from ottawa they wanted Chabot or white) (I'm saying give white), a 1st round pick. And a couple minor pieces.

They never get that for 1 of those guys let alone both.

Im saying if Dorian talks to Sakic about a bargain on landeskog he could actually get his asking price on Duchesne as crazy as it is. That's not a bad offer on Sakic part and you're crazy if you think it is.

21 Feb 2017 22:37:14
you me nothing from ottawa.

23 Feb 2017 00:43:30
Woah what a trade.

21 Feb 2017 18:51:53
Only because of injuries talk up a deal with sakic

To col:
Ceci, white, 1st, and a meaningless piece or 2

To ott:
Duchesne

Only if Sakic comes down on landeskog price

To Col:
Brassard, Lazar, Niel, macarthur, 3rd

To ott:
Landeskog.

21 Feb 2017 18:57:07
While the Duchene one makes sense, the Landeskog one is totally irrelevant and not a chance Colorado takes that. Like are you serious with that one?

21 Feb 2017 21:01:39
The only way Col gets anywhere near what's in that 1st one is if the take a cut on landeskog price otherwise they don't even get that much for Duchesne. Any team would be insane to give them full price for an underperformer winger or a 2nd line center who's not as good as hall. At least this way they get full price for 1 of them and ottawa evens out the trade with the other one.

21 Feb 2017 21:45:01
Lol no. If they don't get what they want then they are clearly not taking that trade. Duchene is an elite player with a skill set not many players have. Just because you don't think he's worth the asking price doesn't mean he's not. Sakic isn't going to find a "bargain" he wants to get the best possible trade to rebuild Colorado. If he doesn't then he's not making the trade.

21 Feb 2017 22:17:48
Duchesne is and has been a 2nd line center since Mackinnon came to town. He's under seguin and halls skill level and all hall got is a Adam Larsen, while seguin got what louis erikson and a 2ND? if you think for one second Duchesne is worth or will fetch more than hall or Seguin you're on some cheap drugs.

Landeskog doesn't even come close to that asking price. He's be on the decline in production value for the last 4 years, look it up if you don't believe me, and he's in his absolute worst season yet. The most hell get is a top prospect and a 2nd rounder mark my words.

At least with this they get a prospect who has potential and youth to turn his career around in Lazar a center who's doing more than landeskog now along with grit and toughness from Neil, and possible future depth with macarthur all of which can be flipped for other assets and the full asking price for Duchesne which by far is an over payment by ottawa, but works out as we shed some salary through landeskog trade so we can afford both without hurting ourban cap hit.

21 Feb 2017 22:37:55
you mean nothing from ottawa.

22 Feb 2017 00:44:07
Can you spell his name correctly idk why nobody on here don't know how to spell Duchene.

22 Feb 2017 12:46:59
Senskill please stop. You are overthinking this way too much. Sakic may lower his asking price eventually but then again he's not just going to give these guys away for discounted prices.

20 Feb 2017 21:30:45
Leafs: jvr, hunwick, ott 2nd

Sharks: meir, mueller,

20 Feb 2017 21:39:54
Terrible for sharks.

20 Feb 2017 22:21:07
Mcjesus. Just out of curiosity what is your distaste for JVR? Almost 50 points already at a great cap hit this year and next. And still relatively young.

20 Feb 2017 23:33:37
Someone has a soft spot for Swiss players. Not good value for the Sharks to lose two real good young players, but also from the leafs, trading JVR for a D makes sense because the top 6 in Toronto looks pretty full for the foreseeable future.

I feel timo Meier doesn't make sense being in the deal. If you're trading a F and a D, get 2 D and hope they both work out, but absolutely need one to be an impact guy.

21 Feb 2017 00:21:30
Because sharks are an aging team and they are going to trade away their top young prospect in Meier? I don't have a problem against JVR idk where you got that idea from, but that makes absolutely no sense for Sharks to make. JVR is turning 28 and Meier is what, 20? Get what my point is.
I understand if they wanna push a cup run JVR is a better player to have, but in the long run that doesn't do them any good.

21 Feb 2017 03:06:29
I don't think the sharks do that trade either but I have recently seen you turning down every post that JVR is involved in. Just surprised as I find you one of the most reasonable posters on this site. I personally think he most definitely is worth a very high end prospect.

21 Feb 2017 05:05:10
Yeah I think he could get a first round but is got to go to a team who needs offense and has the assets to give up a younger prospect without affecting the team long term.

21 Feb 2017 07:07:37
If your making a cup run, you try to win the cup. Then deal with giving up prospects later on down the road. Look at Chicago and Pittsburg.

20 Feb 2017 06:48:25
Someone make a caps trade

I'll shoot one out there

Caps:Sanford 4th or 5th

Ott:lazar

20 Feb 2017 07:01:16
Idk who sanford is, but if he + a 4th round are equivalent to a 2nd round pick or late first then Ottawa might think about it?

20 Feb 2017 07:39:46
He's a second round pick and is doing decent but won't fit in Washington. That way lazar can get a new scenery playing with guys like johansson or burky and Sanford can get his career started.

20 Feb 2017 12:55:37
I actually wouldn't hate that for Ottawa. Trying to sell high on Lazar when he's been a healthy scratch a bunch is pretty tough despite him only being 21.

20 Feb 2017 15:41:44
Maybe Sanford and a 3rd? Caps picks are going to be very late in each round, a 4th or 5th from Washington really carries minimal value.

20 Feb 2017 01:14:16
After the recent injuries of stone, hoffman, ryan and wingels Ottawa needs to add a top 6 forward badly.

Trade 1
Ottawa : Lazar, ceci
Dallah: Eaves

Eaves has 21 goals 1 million salary-cap hit (cheap) but is 32

or
Trade 2
Ottawa: Ceci, lazar, brown 2017 1st
Colorado: duchene

Give ryan away to Expansion draft and save big on his contract

Thoughts??

20 Feb 2017 01:32:19
1st trade to much for Eaves. 2nd trade Ottawa gives away all of their future.
Maybe a trade with Canucks for Hansen. Ottawa sends Lazar plus a 2nd or 3rd.

20 Feb 2017 01:24:32
oh wow. the first trade is horrible for Ottawa.

20 Feb 2017 01:47:44
Uh ya wtf are you on. That Eaves trade is so bad.

20 Feb 2017 04:37:51
The talks for Matt Duchene is a young top 4 D (Ceci), a top prospect (Chabot or White) and a first round pick so Colorado say No. Also Lazar value right now is not very high. Colorado have not yet trade Duchene/ Landeskog because they want top prospects from the teams that are interested in one of those 2 players (Carlo/ Mcavoy/ maybe Zboril from Boston) , (Chabot or White from Sens) . If Colorado trade Duchene/ Landeskog at the deadline, the price will be High. Rentals in the past has been traded for first round picks (Jets got a first round pick and Marko Dano) and Duch/ Landeskog are not rentals players. St-Louis wants a first round pick and a good prospect for Shattenkirk.

20 Feb 2017 04:51:49
I have a feeling Eaves is going to be traded to Chicago.

20 Feb 2017 05:04:17
Also Nashville got Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Chabot is not on the as Jones. It made me laugh when the owner of the sens say that Sakic is crazy because he wants Chabot or White That's the price for a star center of Duchene caliber.

20 Feb 2017 05:37:20
I agree leafs if Eaves to Chicago. Makes a lot of sense.

21 Feb 2017 00:39:34
Hawks have no problem giving picks and prospects because they seem to have an endless supply of good players to fill in holes. Good scouting and an easy place to recruit players helps that. But the cap hit is the biggest thing that makes it likely.

21 Feb 2017 17:44:38
Duchesne price is too high. He's not mcdavid. Hall is better and got less.

21 Feb 2017 23:15:51
It makes me laugh that you even remotely believe your own comment leafs11 lol ever here of Taylor hall or Tyler seguin? Or dare I say Kessel (when traded from Toronto to Pittsburgh)? If anything Duchesne is on par with or below their skill levels and even they couldn't land an asking price like that. Only guys who do go for that high a price are mcdavid Crosby ovi toews p. Kane and malkin. Anyone else you might get 2 solid peices and a few meaningless ones but that's it.

And landeskog wouldn't get anywhere near that seeing his production drop year after year after year and how he's currently in his worst year to date. I'd be shocked if he moved at all or got them a 1st and a decent prospect.

19 Feb 2017 20:01:47
Sens are looking to win the Atlantic and with Bobby Ryan out for 3-6 weeks we need some RWers.

OTT: Max Lajoie, 3rd
ARI: Vrbata (rental)

Dzingel - Brassard - Stone
Hoffman - Turris - Smith
Pyatt - Pageau - Vrbata
Wingels - Kelly - Neil/Lazar

19 Feb 2017 21:06:02
Sens should go after Janik Hensen.

19 Feb 2017 23:18:43
Over payment for vrbata.
If i'm the sens i would 100% keep lajoie the kid is really good seen him in a prospects tournament and he was the bast player on the ice. Can carry a play really well, smooth skater, and has a good shot.

20 Feb 2017 01:13:28
I've always like Janik Hansen Leafs17. I think he's a good fit for Chicago maybe too. Vrbata would be a good fit for Ottawa as well. Agree with both of you there.

18 Feb 2017 21:05:09
Det: Green
Jurco
Tatar

Ott: Ceci
Lazar
Harpur
Brassard
3rd

18 Feb 2017 21:17:49
Huge overpayment.

18 Feb 2017 21:40:14
Really stupid for Detroit to make that.

19 Feb 2017 08:49:52
Really? In terms of value I'd say:
Ceci > Green
Brassard >= Tatar
Lazar, Harpur, 3rd >> Jurco.

18 Feb 2017 15:40:29
Ottawa : colin white, 2017 1st and ceci
Colorado: Duchene

If this isn't enough, maybe add lazar in the trade.

18 Feb 2017 18:20:44
It's enough. I think.

19 Feb 2017 17:13:28
Crazyattack7, the value is there and would be a good trade for both teams. Only thing is Colorado has made it abundantly clear in asking a Kings ransoms for either Duchene or Landeskog in hopes that a team is desperate enough to bite. Come trade deadline that could change, but guarantee two things - come next season, their trade value drops substantially AND no player wants to remain on a perpetually losing team especially with a weak draft coming up that won't improve them much. Take risks, or stick with more of the same. Tic-toc GM Sakic!

20 Feb 2017 00:47:47
Come on guys. a little too much. White, Ceci and Lazar is enough, not the 2017 ist.

18 Feb 2017 14:03:25
Rumors are Jake Virtanen to Ottawa and Vancouver wants Lazar so the trade is going to be

OTT Trade: Curtis Lazar

VAN trade: Jake Virtanen.

18 Feb 2017 14:38:01
I don't believe either player is very special but I think Canucks fans value virtanen far too high to be happy with this.

18 Feb 2017 15:45:39
I think Virtanen's value is somewhat higher than Lazar's. He's also 2 years younger than him. I'd see a pick being packaged with Lazar, possibly a 2nd.

18 Feb 2017 15:55:23
I told you yesterday that Vancouver has offered this deal to Ottawa.

18 Feb 2017 21:47:26
lol. i literally posted this exact trade last week and it got like 1 Believable - 10 Unbelievables. hmm. alright. haha. I do like this trade though.

17 Feb 2017 15:20:19
LA
Setoguchi

Ottawa
Lazar

No retention, no picks AHL'r for AHL'r... Both teams move the distractions out and settle in for the playoffs.

17 Feb 2017 15:24:10
joking right? Setoguchi was just waived and lazar was a former first rounder. Lazar will get yakupov return, not setoguchi.

17 Feb 2017 15:32:55
Well Seto's also a former first rounder? 😂😂
But obviously no from Ottawa.

17 Feb 2017 15:38:59
Setoguchi on his way out and Lazar at 21 still has a future. Definitely no from Ottawa.

17 Feb 2017 16:11:24
Yeah makes sense except for the fact that Ottawa could have had setoguchi for free and that they said they wanted a second for Lazar.

17 Feb 2017 16:14:26
This is jus my k99s way of taking a shot at lazar because people offended him by offering lazar for oilers players.

17 Feb 2017 16:48:56
All,
So what is Lazar and his agent going to say to management with their meeting today? "I want out" more than likely.

Xcing, Don't see anyone offering up a 2nd for him.

Perhaps
Lazar + 5th for Bennett would be a bit more of a fair trade?

I only apply the 5th because Bennett is on the active NHL roster currently. Same player. Same abilities. Both need a change of scenery, only Lazar is a team player and Bennett has that obnoxious chip on his shoulder. Evens out.

17 Feb 2017 17:11:13
You're such a flames hater 😂.

17 Feb 2017 18:25:04
I think at this point I can honestly say I am not the only one that becomes a little less sane every time I read one of FT4A/ K99's comments. RNH for Karlsson? Lazar for Seto? Eberle being a god send? Dougie Hamilton being a useless defenseman? Some of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

17 Feb 2017 19:13:30
McRazzle
No clue who is this K99 is that you're talking about? I don't see posts from this guy ever on here. Must be on the Leafs or Habs thread or something that I don't view. Can't comment on his/ her comments as I havn't seen any.

Almost every post on here is weighted towards one team, and most don't consider today's NHL's player worths to the team that don't show up on the stats sheet, Picks that don't exist this year, no Vegas draft consideration, Contract value and term, age of the players, value to the community. Most are wishes to make their own team better and not a FAIR TRADE FOR both teams. Whatever. everyone can dream. On occasion there are some brilliant trades posted. Never seen one out of you yet.

If you disagree with the opinions. Instead of whining about it be a big boy . Explain why you disagree.
Definition of less sane is Ottawa or Montreal thinking the Oilers are going to give them RNH or Eberle for the scraps offered. It will cost Ottawa Karlson to get RNH as the Oilers do not need to or want to trade him. end of story.

Hamilton IS extremely over rated and costs too much for what he provides. Sorry, but he only made a name for himself by being associated with the Kessel Seguen fiasco. If you think otherwise, then we know your allegiances are biased towards the flaming C.
If you have intelligent backup for your reasons to think Hamilton is god's gift of D-men I would like to hear why caz I sure don't see it.

Be nice. play nice. no need to personally attack someone based on their opinions. And don't lose sanity. it's all just for fun :)

17 feb 2017 19:33:58
i swear yo karlsson is scoring more points as a dman than eberle or rnh who are forwards. stop saying that they are worth karlsson. they're worth ceci+ not karlsson.


i think i've lost my marbles with you man.

17 Feb 2017 20:00:39
Ok FT4A here is my reasoning why Hamilton is not overrated:
1) He's 23 and improving each season
2) It is debatable whether he is playing worth his money CURRENTLY but if he continues his current upward trend he willing definately be worth his money
3) Ranks 9th in points among defensemen (I can use points because he is an offensive d man)
4) Only -1 on a team that is struggling and as a team is -13
5) 23 and is playing top pairing minutes
Now you tell me why he is overrated (Don't say because he is a Calgary Flame)
Also I would love to know why RNH = Karlsson because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say Monahan = Karlsson even though Monahan > RNH.

17 Feb 2017 21:33:06
Xcing cause rnh is a future selke winner and monahan is not duh.

17 Feb 2017 21:48:48
Oh man.

17 Feb 2017 21:58:42
My bad K98 forgot about that.

17 Feb 2017 23:56:23
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Sorry. Ceci is a #5 Dman. those are a dime a dozen in Edmonton. It's not the points RNH produces, it's his all around play without the puck, his defensive abilities, his play making. He is a coaches dream as he can play all situations, AND he's young and signed long term and will soon surpass the older vets that are slowing down. Edmonton has a gem in RNH that fans that don't watch every night do not understand as they only watch only hilights and count points on the sports websites to evaluate his worth.

THE ONLY WAY THAT OTTAWA WILL GET RNH IS TO HAVE KARLSON COME BACK TO EDMONTON.
No Ceci ++ No Lazar. No Phaneuf. offers will pry him outta Etown.
I have already stated but will state again, RNH for Karlson is NOT a 1 for 1 trade. but both have to be involved in it.

XCING = MCRAZZLE?


Glad you agree with me on he's not worth his $$

I do agree with you that he is young and he is getting better. He's far from anything one would consider a Norris candidate, but has many more years to become a solid Dman.

I watch every Flamrs game. I see his goals. They are not typically skilled goals, they usually deflect in off someone or a skate or something like that. Unplanned goals if you like. I see give aways and defensive positioning errors all game long.
That's the inexperience . that's all. The Media has hyped him up a lot all due to being associated with the Kessel Segin fiasco.
This push by the media has created a false sense of how good he is right now. That's why I think he's over rated. Media push.

Honestly he's not a terrible D-man, and yes young getting better, but he's not a Norris candidate right now like some like to make him out to be.

I never said RNH = Karlson. I said Karlson has to be part of the deal if RNH goes to Ottawa. More pieces needed to make the trade even up.

K98. I think RNH will get consideration for that award down the road. He's a tad overshadowed by McD right now. Sorry Monahan won't.

18 Feb 2017 05:06:56
Omg dude. you need to lay off the pipe. You can keep rnh. You think that the gm of Edmonton wouldn't make that trade straight up? . i need to call intervention on you a$$.

18 Feb 2017 05:16:58
Karlsson will never be part of a deal for Nuge so let's just end this now.

18 Feb 2017 05:22:10
I called fair trade a few names in a post and it wasn't put through. Sorry admin.
But his delusion is bad and it was called for at the time. Lol.

18 Feb 2017 12:17:33
I'd definitely would offer a second for Lazar. He could turn things around and mtl can draft for shut so I'd rather get him then another one of those projects that plays in the Ahluwalia for 10 years before moving to Swiss.

18 Feb 2017 12:23:24
K98 you probably think your funny but seriously? Like get a life man. Oh and we all know it's you Fair trade for all give it up Lower!

18 Feb 2017 22:54:34
FT4all. you are so far from the reality. You must be a Sens hater. You probably wish that Karlsson was on your team. I hate Gallagher but I wish he was on my team. I hated Tucker but I wish he was on my team. I wish Neil was on my team. I hate Crosby but I wish he was on my team. The trend is most likely when you dislike a player, you probably wish he was on your team. in my opinion. Cool to read all the different opinions. cheers!

18 Feb 2017 22:55:06
McJ is right in both cases.

19 Feb 2017 16:44:19
The next time I see Karlsson for RNH referenced I will take a dump in my own hand and slap them in the mouth! If you want to involve EK65 in Edmonton talks, McDavid comes back or doesn't happen - end of story! Lay off the cheap drugs and watch a sport more in your intelligence range. like finger painting.

21 Feb 2017 23:25:27
How does ceci and top 5 d status make any sense?

He's top 4 in Ottawa and top 2 or 3 on most other teams guaranteed. Rangers are the only place he might not make top 4 status as their blue line is crazy.

17 Feb 2017 04:32:42
Ott: Duchene, Beauchemin (retain 50%)

Col: Ceci, Lazar, Brown, MaCarthur, 1st

17 Feb 2017 05:08:21
Chabot +.

17 Feb 2017 08:21:21
No Chabot or White= no Duchene.

17 Feb 2017 12:41:53
The Sens owner and GM both already came out and said they won't make a trade with Colorado for those guys with that asking price. Please stop these.

20 Feb 2017 00:51:05
take Brown out and replace with Chabot.

17 Feb 2017 03:00:13
Edmonton trades lw Benoit pouliout d eric gryba d griffin reinhart to ottawa for d Cody ceci and f Curtis Lazar

Thoughts?

17 Feb 2017 05:01:24
I don't Ottawa would do this.

17 Feb 2017 05:49:40
Lol no from Ottawa.

17 Feb 2017 05:55:26
Lol. Nice try. Ottawa laughs.
And you'll get ripped apart on here for this one now.

17 Feb 2017 06:52:38
Oil don't give any value that can get Ceci. Reinhart and Lazar can be a wash but the rest heavily favours Edmonton.

17 Feb 2017 15:03:54
Edmonton has a great team chemistry going. There is no reason to make a trade and mess that up.


Edmonton cannot attain another defenceman until after the Vegas draft.

Edmonton does not want Lazar unless it's Fayne going back in the deal.

Both teams appear to be doing well, why mess with what's working anyways?
I'd say BOTH teams stand pat.

17 Feb 2017 15:22:51
yup
Actually Ottawa has to add to that deal, or Edm deletes BOTH Dmen in the trade.
Moo anyways. Oil aren't trading anyways.

17 Feb 2017 20:19:00
Why does Ottawa add? Reinhart for Lazar is as you would say an AHLer for AHLer. Gryba the 7th D that's rarely dressed has no value. Fayne the AHLer with a big contract has negative value. And lastly Pouliot with the big contact and no points has negative value. And it won't mess with your precious team chemistry because he hasn't been in the lineup as of late.

17 Feb 2017 02:16:53
WPG: Little
OTT: Chabot

17 Feb 2017 05:55:54
Your proposals always favour Winnipeg way way too much.

17 Feb 2017 06:53:35
Turris and Brassard.

16 Feb 2017 18:00:25
Ott: Lazar, Ceci, 1st, 3rd, chris rumble, phil varone, Ben harpur

Ed: ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle

16 Feb 2017 18:28:10
No from edm.

16 Feb 2017 18:50:56
Ottawa Needs to add Karlson and Turris to attain both. Ottawa can keep Lazar and those no name prospects.

FYI for future reference. No RNH or Eberle for Ottawa unless Karlson's name is in the deal. ( AFTER the Vegas draft)

16 Feb 2017 19:32:24
fair trade. That's unreasonable. They could acquire Nuge and Eberle without EK being involved. But this package is so far from even remotely close. Edm wouldn't want picks and super young players. That would just be stupid and a little set back sorta speak. Hoffman or stone would have to be in the package along with Cici and maybe something else to even out. Not super young non established players.

16 Feb 2017 19:35:08
Your drunk ft4a. Original trades garbage but your drunk. Karlsson >>> both of them.

16 Feb 2017 19:58:22
K99 lol your a joke, yes this is a terrible trade for the oilers but somehow you made the trade look amazing compared to your comment. Congratulations your about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop. there's only one player that will get the conversation started for karlsson and that's mcdavid so please stop it and go crawl under whatever bridge you came from.

16 Feb 2017 20:09:43
Edmonton's team chemistry is fine as it is and there is no need for Edmonton to make a radical change. Edm will keep RNH and Ebs
Even after the playoffs when block busters can be made. No go on this deal or anything naming RNH without Karlson.

yup
NOPE!
No Karlson. No RNH end of discussion.

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No more drunk than Ottawa fans thinking they'll get BOTH RNH and Eberle without Karlson in the deal. HAHAHAHAHA. C'mon. really. who's the drunk one here? 2 top 6 forwards for a #5/ 6 Dman and magic beans. Go peddle the magic beans stuff to Colorado, or Arizona or Vancouver. Someone that is STARTING / is needing to start a re-build.


IMO. Karlson USED TO BE >>> looks pretty average to me this year. In fact I'd take Klefbom who's younger and who's on the rise on the team before Karlson who's stock is falling like a rock. Norris years seem like they've gone bu bye.


Sorry guys. Argue all you want. Edm Won't be trading RNH to Ottawa for anything short of Karlson.

Next trade.

16 Feb 2017 20:31:09
Dude. From a fellow Oilers fan stfu. Karlson is still better Han Klefbom and they could trade form Nuge and or Eberle without Karlson being part of it. Wow
Yea of course it's not happening at deadline But I see Eberle being moved in the off season and he main reason being cap relief, don't expect a ton back for him.

16 Feb 2017 20:40:09
Ebs will get a decent return.

16 Feb 2017 22:52:30
I don't think he will he is over paid under performing, overvalued with 2 years at 6mil only has 32pts wow. And I Am A Homer Good luck.

16 Feb 2017 23:32:44
Ya. Karlsson. for nuge. The best defenseman in the league for a third line Center. No thanks. keep your garbage :)

16 Feb 2017 23:54:54
Ebs values isn't really high because of his salary and laziness. If they retain 2 million off him then they could get a decent top4 D. If not I can't see him getting more then a second rounder and maybe B prospect. i'd take him in mtl for Julsen and a second rounder if Edmonton retains 2 million. BUT even that is overpaying for him.

17 Feb 2017 02:09:42
You ARE a homer Colt. Correct :)

17 Feb 2017 03:32:30
Fair trade4all

Listen buddy only way Karlsson and Turris should be involved on ottawas end is if edmonton adds mcdavid draisaitl and nurse as well. Other wise no way that's a comment that that even makes sense.

17 Feb 2017 03:38:40
On a side note ottawa would have to add something for value and to even the cap out.

To ottawa
Nugent Hopkins, eberle, nurse

To edmonton
1st, 3rd, ceci, brassard, macarthur, chlapic, rumble, Verone, harpur.

17 Feb 2017 04:14:50
Blue Kool-Aid fever strikes again. Every year around this time every Edmonton Oiler becomes the greatest thing since the discovery of sex. Hell, if Edmonton throws a bag of pucks and a $25 Tim Horton's gift card in that deal, they should be able to get the whole Ottawa Senator franchise. For the life of me, I can't see why Ottawa isn't jumping at this offer.

17 Feb 2017 15:00:00
FaIris trade4all nuge is a 50 guy tops when he's healthy but is very injury plagued and eberle hasn't shown that much when he's not with mcdavid so to think that even the 2 of them combined could get Karlsson you'd have to be on some hell of a drug. Karlsson plays defence on a team with no other legit super star calibre guys and has better stats every year than both those guys combined. Ottawa say no and feel your head.

17 Feb 2017 15:41:41
take away 1st and 3rd and replace with Chabot and oilers add 2nd 2017.

17 Feb 2017 23:30:45
Karlsson having a down year? He's playing better defensively, being one of the best leaders in the league and is still 2nd in points among defensemen behind only Burns. Burns having a monster year doesn't drop Karlsson's value?

16 Feb 2017 16:17:54
Ott: Lazar, Ben harpur, phil varone

Dal: patrick eaves

16 Feb 2017 20:58:18
Yeah deal from Stars. Would Ottawa do you tho?

17 Feb 2017 23:22:20
I like this and I could see this happening, I don't know about what minor pieces would be involved but a trade involving Lazar and Eaves would be good. Especially under circumstances.

16 Feb 2017 16:14:21
Ott: Ceci,Lazar,3rd, Ben harpur

Ari: anthony declaire, Mike stone

16 Feb 2017 04:29:16
OK so I know this will never happen but let's hear some thoughts.

To St. Louis:
Ryan Nugent Hopkins
Curtis Lazar

To ottawa:
STL 2nd round pick
Connor mcdavid
Darnell nurse

To edmonton:
Kevin Shattenkirk
Kyle Turris
Mike Hoffman
Colin white
Ottawa 1st round draft pick
Cody ceci.

16 Feb 2017 06:29:27
Lol also every single player going to Edmonton has all their full salaries retained by the other teams.

16 Feb 2017 06:29:48
But thanks for the laugh.

16 Feb 2017 06:30:09
And a bit of a cry that you even thought of this.

16 Feb 2017 06:45:22
Stopppppp. Please.

16 Feb 2017 09:01:42
I like it. I would change that 2nd to a 3rd though. Otherwise, all teams get a great deal! (Sarcasm) . Ottawa gives up their whole team for McDavid and Shattenkirk? Edmonton gives up McDavid? All teams say no.

16 Feb 2017 14:06:08
It's going to take a 1st or 2nd for Lazar or he don't move.

And why would any retention be necessary? Fayne ceci cancel out. Nuge and shattsy cancel out. And Turris and Hoffman combined will be equal to what mcdavids salary will be. White on entry level like nurse.

16 Feb 2017 14:14:24
And to get mcdavid any team would have to pay a crazy price to land him so that's not unrealistic.

Plus the chance to add mcdavid to Karlsson and the crazy offence they could create together.

I obviously know it would never happen due to all the core players involved but would be pretty cool for all teams.

That being said 2 3rds of the deals are 100% believable and have been real rumors not just on here. Shattsy for nuge is in talks and ottawa is asking a 1st or 2nd for Lazar and will probably get it.

16 Feb 2017 15:04:02
You are right. it will never happen. It wasn't happening the second you started typing the first 2 letters in the word McDavid.

17 Feb 2017 03:43:43
Obviously it'll never happen but compared to some of the trades I've seen you post at least it's a more believable scenario. Your Duchesne trades esp are horrific with what you think he'll fetch lol.

17 Feb 2017 15:45:45
This is too goofy. Are you guys drunk because nothing makes sense whatsoever. You must not be a Sens fan at all. Big no from Ottawa.

15 Feb 2017 21:33:05
OTT: Lazar
VAN: Virtanen

15 Feb 2017 21:40:34
New environment?

16 Feb 2017 00:24:13
No from Vancouver. Virtanen has/ had higher potential.

15 Feb 2017 23:34:22
Lol Virtanen has way more value then this. Yes he's been having some difficulties but he's still projected to be that big top line winger that gets his share of points. His style is like Tkachuk only he is bigger and stronger. If Ottawa wants him (not that Nucks would trade him) it would take at Chabot++.

16 Feb 2017 02:22:52
I agree that Virtanen has more value than Lazar, however Rocket. I wouldn't trade Chabot for him
I use to watch Virtanen wjen he was in WHL, and I hated it when he played my team. He is going to be good, I don't know about Tkachuk good. But a gokd top 6 . 20 to 25 goals 100 pim guy.
Id like to see Habs make a play for him. something involving Gallagher maybe?

16 Feb 2017 02:42:12
Lol wow ^.

16 Feb 2017 04:33:06
That was towards rocket. Chabot won't be traded for Virtanen lol.

16 Feb 2017 06:46:51
Chabot++ for Virtanen? Wow what kinds of drugs are you on. It would be Virtanen+++ for Chabot, holy wow.

17 Feb 2017 15:47:55
Exactly yup, you're right.

15 Feb 2017 20:22:00
OTT: Brassard, Ceci, 1st
BUF: O'Reilly

16 Feb 2017 00:24:34
Huge no from Buffalo.

16 Feb 2017 00:40:24
Brassard really isn't that good and Ottawa is making playoffs so 1st is going to be later and Ceci is overrated. O'Reilly can get a better return.

17 Feb 2017 03:48:24
Bigger no from ottawa brassard not much worst than oreilly maybe a slight edge there but to throw in a 1st and ceci who is a top 4 dman now with top 2 potential you'd have to get a better return than that. Eichel maybe.

17 Feb 2017 15:49:00
Correct.

17 Feb 2017 23:42:58
You guys are crazy, don't tell me Buffalo would say no being offered this at the draft. They won't even try to negotiate.

 
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