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26 Apr 2018 07:41:58
CGY: Dougie Hamilton + Sam Bennett
OTT: Cody Ceci
TOR: Connor Brown + Travis Dermott + Mitch Marner

CGY: Mitch Marner
TOR: Dougie Hamilton + Cody Ceci
OTT: Connor Brown + Travis Dermott + Sam Bennett

Defence Top 6 Toronto

Morgan Rielly - Dougie Hamilton
Jake Gardiner - Cody Ceci
Roman Polak - Nikita Zaitsev

24 Apr 2018 10:58:20
Trying to rework the flames, let me know what you think is accurate:

Cgy: trades brodie
Ott: trades hoffman

Cgy:trades stone
Tor: trades johnsson + 3rd rounder

Cgy: trades lazar and a 3rd rounder
Ana: trades kase

Gaudreau monahan hoffman
Tkachuk backlund frolik
Bennett jankiwski ferland/mangiapan
Johnsson kase mangiapane/ferland

Giordano hamilton
Kulak hamonic
Valimaki andersson

24 Apr 2018 13:07:10
-I think Ottawa would want younger players back if they were to trade Hoffman.
-Toronto laughs at you, they aren't reading Andreas Johnsson for that. They have developed him for a while and really like him.
-Anaheim says no.

24 Apr 2018 13:07:22
Leafs will keep Johnson no interest in Stone.

24 Apr 2018 16:23:35
So easy no from every team not Calgary.

24 Apr 2018 20:43:29
I know he doesn’t have a big name but that is such an easy no from Anaheim. Look up his stats, he should get around 50+ points next season.

24 Apr 2018 12:04:28
I personally value Brodie a couple notches over Hoffman because of position and the fact that Brodie is consistly a solid defensemen who acumulates points while Hoffman is very good but when he dosnt have the puck dosnt bring much else to the play. If he played a grinding styke as well i'd say it was a good trade but for his production ( around 50 points a year) you don't get a defensemen who gets alnost that himself ( more like 40 points) and also play a great solid all around game.

23 Apr 2018 21:59:15
OTT: Karlsson
LA: Kempe, Phaneuf, Clague, M. Anderson, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd

LA just seems like the kind of place LA would go. Assuming LA would like to sign Doughty too, Ottawa needs to take a bad contract back, and seeing they are already paying 1.75M for Phaneuf, may as well take him back as an overpaid 5/6 but good voice in locker room.

20 Apr 2018 13:29:33
I read multiple article drafting that if Erik Karlson is traded this summer Mtl will be part of the deal. Of course not as the reicever of Karlson but because of the cap and the fact that Dorion and Melnyk wants Bobby Ryan to be part of any deal for Karlson could mtl add prospect or picks and take his contract or part of it for it? Could this be possible

Ott: Klingberg, Gurianov, Honka

Dallas: Karlson

Mtl: Ryan(no retention), Lindell, Faksa

20 Apr 2018 14:26:31
I don't think Dallas would trade Kling straight up for EK. Think age and contract man. Also adding all those pieces? I don't think Dallas considers this for a second.

20 Apr 2018 14:57:01
hell no from mtl.

20 Apr 2018 18:42:11
Don’t know the prospect but just guessing he’s a recent 1st rounder, plus 3 high potential young defence men and Faksa. No way from Dallas. Forgot to mention Klingberg was probably high in Norris talks this season.

21 Apr 2018 04:39:21
lindell and faksa are 3rd line players for taking on 7.5 million cap dump for 4 years ya he'll no

Mtl give Paul byron and Daniel Carr to Dallas to take on alzner and schlemko.

21 Apr 2018 04:49:15
klindberg is only 2 years younger than karlsson and nowhere near his level and all the prospects are all ahl players so sorry but this is a big yes from Dallas

Faksa and lindell really? to take on Bobby ryan contract ok then ottawa gives ceci and pageau would u take bobby ryan with him? I don't think so and btw ceci+pageau> lindell + faksa.

21 Apr 2018 18:18:52
Esa Lindell is a top 23 year old LHD who just had 27 points this year playing on thw secod pair. that's not a third line player wtf.

21 Apr 2018 23:02:13
@MTL4LIFE Kling might only be 2 years younger than Karlsson and not quite as good, but Karlsson has one year left at 7.5 mill before he leaves or you pay him 12.5 mill. Klingberg is in a tier not very far below the best Dmen in the league and has 4 more years at $4.25 million.

So if his great contract and the cap space it leaves Ottawa in the trade isn’t a great asset in your eyes, then why do you feel the habs deserve a ton more to take on bobby Ryans contract? In your response, Cap space isn’t an asset when talking about the sens trade, and then very next paragraph when it pertains to the habs it’s all of a sudden an asset that can’t be bought cheap lol can’t have it both ways.

22 Apr 2018 13:54:13
Lindel is extremely underrated he’d be the 2nd best dman on the Canadians he makes almost no mistakes Dallas will not trade him for anything on Montreal ( besides 4th overall) don’t comment on a player you do not know. If you watched him play you could see he is one of the most underrated players in the NHL he played top pairing in his rookie season for the most part.

20 Apr 2018 07:27:18
to Columbus
E Karlsson

to Ottawa
Murray
2018 1st.

20 Apr 2018 07:41:41
There would be better packages than this if EK is on the trading block. Columbus would have to add.

20 Apr 2018 12:57:00
Tabernouche! Are u for real buddy?

20 Apr 2018 17:47:11
gotta remember this is for one year of EK; I guess I should've included some sort of conditional first for resigning. either that or we all value ryan murray differently.

20 Apr 2018 20:00:38
Ryan Murray is worth a late first and B prsopect. The add the other late first from Columbus. So two late first and a B prospect is worth Erik Karlson? Nope try maybe:

Columbus:Wennberg, Murray,1 rd 2018,1 rd 2019, Abramov

Ott:Karlson (signed 10 million×8)

22 Apr 2018 18:46:51
Colts offer is better but still think Columbus has to add. Maybe take out abramov and change murray or wenberg to werenski

Jones and ek would be the perfect compliment to each other

AND werenski would make the loss of EK hurt a little less while they add a piece up front or back end on top. And those 2 picks while late and not worth as much as sooner picks could still help ottawa restock prospect pool.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

09 Apr 2018 15:31:30
Calgary Plans:

Curtis Lazar to VAN for Sixth Round Pick
Garnet Hathaway to ARI for Sixth Round Pick
Brett Kulak to TOR for Fourth Round Pick
Troy Brouwer, Second Round Pick to ARI for Seventh Round Pick

CGY:
• Sam Bennett
• Rasmus Andersson
BUF:
• Sam Reinhart

CGY:
• Adam Fox
• Dillon Dube
• 2019 3rd Round Pick
OTT:
• Mike Hoffman

( Sign Sam Gagner )

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
M Hoffman - M Jankowski - M Ferland
K Versteeg - N Shore - S Gagner

09 Apr 2018 17:23:36
Why even trade for Hoffman if he’s on the 3rd line lol waste. Calgary shouldn’t even make that trade they don’t need him.

09 Apr 2018 20:31:27
Mcjesus they need more scoring.

10 Apr 2018 01:23:45
Sign Gagner? You realize he’s under contract with the Canucks for another couple years right? lol, also Canucks say no to lazar for a 6th, we need picks not busts.

10 Apr 2018 04:35:55
Then go for a forward better suited for flames, not another LW and store him on the 3rd line makes no sense.

10 Apr 2018 05:20:48
Honestly Simmonds would be a nice fit. He could play 1st or 2nd RW and play PP/ PK.

11 Apr 2018 23:10:19
Ottawa says, "hahahahaha"

Then hangs up the phone.

09 Apr 2018 07:12:36
Edmonton Oilers:
• Kailer Yamamoto
• Darnell Nurse
• Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
• Jesse Puljujärvi

Ottawa Senators:
• Erik Karlsson
• Matt Duchene

11 Apr 2018 23:15:40
Heck no from ottawa dream on oilers fans you'll have to do much better than that for both karlsson and duchene.

Some guy named Conner mcdavid would definately be involved and prob nurse as well.

You don't get a top 6 / top 3 elite center and a generational talent defenceman for prospects and projects in today's trade market.

08 Apr 2018 01:55:08
Vancouver Canucks:
• Brandon Sutter
• Adam Gaudette
• Olli Juolevi
• 2018 1st Round Pick

Ottawa Senators:
• Erik Karlsson

08 Apr 2018 06:03:16
Canuks should just keep those pieces. And continue with a rebuild. Karlsson at that age won't be the difference for that current Canuks team.

08 Apr 2018 15:54:02
Lmaooo. Why are you guys acting like that trade is fair. Karlsson, a 2 time norris defenceman, is not going to be dealt for this little. Dream on bud

08 Apr 2018 17:31:58
U crazy? That’s the future of the Canucks
Stop thinking you’re going to get the moon for EK.

08 Apr 2018 17:38:10
Agree with yup, nucks are in rebuild, makes no sense for them to give up those assets for yes, arguably the best d in hockey, but he’s in his prime now and if they're not going to win now then it’s stupid to give up those young assets.

08 Apr 2018 17:47:57
So you're telling me that a guy who played 5 games in the nhl and still hasn't registered a point yet but is still a good prospect, as well as brandon sutter who has just 11 goals and juolevi who is still an unproven defenceman with no NHL experience can get you EK in his prime. i'm sorry but even though Ottawa has had a bad season, this trade is even worse just because the value is not there and its going to be a big gamble from Ottawa's perspective.

08 Apr 2018 19:32:18
It’s not that it’s not enough value, it’s solely based on the fact that Vancouver is rebuilding, giving up young good prospects for Karlson sets them back in their rebuild. You draft young guys, develope them then when you’re close to being able to do damage then you acquire vets. Chicago is a good example. they drafted seabrook, Keith, Kane Toews etc when you have a good core then you can start giving up picks and young assets for vets, nucks aren’t there yet that they can or should be trading away prospects. If they made this trade they’d still be bottom of the barrel team.

08 Apr 2018 19:49:58
I understand they don't want to give up their future, but then why make a trade for karlsson then. You know ottawa is going to ask for something big in return

08 Apr 2018 20:23:22
This package could get EK %100. I never said I couldn't. I could even argue that it's not enough.
I said that Vancouver, to me, isn't in the right position to give that away for that player at this time.

08 Apr 2018 23:27:13
@Yup he’s arguing with me.

09 Apr 2018 00:06:30
@yup i don't think you know what's fair value buddy. You said in an earlier post that Patches, Alzner, Byron for Eichel, Ristoleinen, S. Reinhart is a fair trade. Soo...

09 Apr 2018 04:06:19
Crazy attack relax bud jesus.

09 Apr 2018 13:46:22
Hahahaha. Ya. And that was complete sarcasm. You can't actually think I meant that. Lmao. That was clearly a troll. Wow.

05 Apr 2018 00:23:40
At draft..lottery gives Ottawa fourth pick

OTT: Erik Karlsson, Z Smith
CAL: M. Tkachuk, 1st 2018, 2nd 2019, 3rd 2020

OTT: Dzingel, Cal 2018 1st, 3rd 2018
CAR: T. van Riemsdyk, Car 2019 1st

Ottawa selects B. Tkachuk

Hoffman - Duchene - Formenton
Stone - Pageau - Ryan
M Tkachuk - B Tkachuk - McCormick
White - Brown - Paajarvi

Chabot - van Riemsdyk
Ceci - Wolanin
Boro - Wideman

With Carolina trade Ottawa helps blueline and gets back into the deep 2019 1st round.

05 Apr 2018 06:40:21
Haha.2/ 3 draft picks from Calgary one already gone.

05 Apr 2018 07:11:11
Calgary doesn't have a 1st or 2nd.

05 Apr 2018 14:48:23
CGY doesn’t have those picks and no from them anyways, that leaves them with 5 top 4 d men and giving up one of their best offensive players which they need more of. Makes 0 sense positionally for Calgary.

31 Mar 2018 23:52:49
Ok so giving the change in the nhl leaderboards recently with buffalo being bottom team and ottawa and Arizona being tied, and the fact arizona has a much easier final 4 to 5 games than ottawa does here's something to ponder.

Arizona : Arizona 2018 1st

Ottawa : Pittsburgh 2018 1st, Ceci, Ryan, and batherson

Then.

Ottawa : gaborik

Vegas : Vegas 2018 6th

Ottawa ups their chances in lottery significantly to land dahlin or at least a couple guys who can help now.

Arizona plays it safe as if they get the 3rd best odds they are more likely to draft 5th than anything else. So the trade it for a top 6 (50 to 60 point getter) in Ryan, a solid young top 4 defenceman in Ceci, a proven splint prospect in batherson who broke out big in world juniors and junior league, plus they still get a 1st I'll be it later with pens pick.

Then. ottawa uses all the cap they saved not only to resign stone and karlsson but also bring in Tavares as well.

Current available cap space in ottawa is roughly 11 million and these moves would free up 14 million more or 19 million if MacArthur retires. That's roughly 25 to 30 million to work with which is more than enough and will leave them with roughly 5 to 7 million to spare after all 3 have been signed making melnic happy too.

01 Apr 2018 00:54:15
Omg when will you learn?
You don’t give a damn rubbish about what other teams needs
I’ll make it simple
Wanna trade your 1st for Juulsen Lehkonen Poehling plus a 2d

You need to put your self in the other teams shoes
If you post nonsense like this again then you will nevertheless learn.

01 Apr 2018 01:26:02
Wow. Dream on. These are some of the worst Ottawa biased you've posted. And that's a crazy statement.

01 Apr 2018 03:01:31
Trash.

That pick is going to be top 5, 150%. that's one of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, FIlip Zadina, Adam Boqvist and Brady Tkachuk.

Whats going to Arizona in your deal? let's see:

Pittsburghs First-
Considering Pittsburghs playoff history, that pick is more than likely going to be low twenties. If I was to make a guess, I don't think they threepeat, but I think that pick is like 28th or something. Whos there at that pick? K'Andre Miller? Akil Thomas? that's a way step down from 3rd Overall.

Bobby Ryan-
A cap dump. Get it through your head. he's not a 50-60 point guy. If he was, and wasn't a cap dump, then why would Ottawa be desperately trying to package off his salary with Karlsson in order for suitors to be able to afford Karlsson in terms of a trade package, as adding Ryan to a Karlsson only lowers Karlsson's value. Ryan is a cap dump. Please understand that and stop being biased.

Cody Ceci -
A mediocre at best dman, probably a #4 at best. Kinda similar to Nathan Beaulieu, and I've seen lots of Sens fans want his head. So I don't think he'd bring much more to the table than a 2nd, and even that would be neglected by Ryans negative value.

Drake Batherson -
A good prospect, who probably projects as a 3rd liner with upside, but is also very unknown and unproven. Certainly not enough to move up from the late rounds of the 1st to the top 5.

Basically, if Arizona proposed:
Alex Goligoski (Bobby Ryan: but a bit less bloated of a contract) + Richard Panik (Cody Ceci, except as a forward) + Ryan MacInnis (scorer at the junior level, similar to Batherson) + ARZ 2nd Round Pick (high second) for Ottawas 1st Round Pick in 2017.

Does this make any sense for Ottawa? Of course not. Similarly, the original trade is terrible for Arizona.

01 Apr 2018 12:17:01
Ok you seriously don't follow the sport do you TopShelfSlappers? If you did you'd realise the statements you made on the players involved in this proposal are completely absurd and absolutely ridiculous.

1st - yes that will be a late pick but it's still a 1st

Bobby Ryan - outside of last season dude to health issues and somewhat this season though not as bad because he's been shifted from line to line more times than we can count, he has been and will continue to be a 50 to 60 point guy, anyone with half a brain and has 2 eyes that aren't blind can go themselves to check his career stats and will see that I am right and you are wrong, take those negative value comment and put em where the sun don't shine.

Cody Ceci - is a top 3 young defenceman who still has time to improve and is valued by other teams whether you like it or not he's worth at least a mid to late 1st himself just ask Edmonton who was ready to give hall for him if not for the need of MELNICK approval.

Drake batherson - NOT PROVEN? You can't be serious? One of world junior team Canada's leading scorers and a leading scorer in his current league. How is that not proven?

Goligoski has been a failure everywhere he's been and in no way is comparable to Ryan outside of a bad contract.

Of course this makes sence for both teams ottawa dumps in needed cap to sign players they want to keep and make an attempt on a major free agent signing in Tavares while gaining more odds to land dahlin and another major draftees who can help now at a faction of the cost sent away.

Arizona adds scoring in ryan, youth and potential in batherson and the pits 1st, and a guy who can finally play number 2 on that team to oel.
Gives up the 3rd which is the most likely to get bumped to 5th or 6th as 5th is best odds due to how lottery is run.

Arizona and Vegas have the cap for these kind've contracts as well making it mot out of the realm of possibility.

Just because you or a lot of other "fans" don't like Ryan or other sens players for whatever reason don't mean you're right about them or their value!

01 Apr 2018 14:26:35
Bobby Ryan point total:
25 last season in 62 games.
33 this season in, I believe, 58 games.

Neither of those are at all close to a 50 point pace buddy. And yes he has gotten 50 points before in his career, well, Daniel and Henrik Sedin have gotten 100 before, Lupuls been PPG, Milan Michalek was solid, Dion Phaneuf was thought of for a Norris, Milan Lucic was a 60 point guy and Brandon Dubinsky was a solid shutdown 50 point centre. Everyone falls off buddy. Ryan has too. Get it through your head. He has negative value. he's never going to be a 50 point guy again, and never going to be a solid player again. And he is injury prone as well, which is another huge downside tp trading for him. And he has a 7.25 cap for what, the next, I think 4 seasons? Its ridiculous you think he has value, and then to call me out on not watching hockey because apperantky you know all.

Ceci - he may have been worth a 1st at so, e time but remember, that is the GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Boychuk and Eberle for pennys on the dollar. Even if he was worth a 1st before, he isn't worth it anymore. Its been two years and he's stagnated in growth. Certainly not worth a 1st. Maybe a mid second as i said, but that therefore counteracts bobby ryans cap dump.

Bathersom - yes. He is unproven, the WJC's don't mean s*** unless the playee actually turns into something. Look at Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar, they were WJC heros, now they're fighting for their lives as bottom 6 players. Also, he's nowhere near the top of his league in points, he's over PPG, but he's barely played 30 games this year. Get your facts straight.

And tbh, considering contract, i'd rather Goligoski than Ryan. lol.

01 Apr 2018 14:28:27
And buddy, Cody Ceci wouldn't even by number 2 on Zona, lol. OEL, Hjalmarsson, Jacob Chychurn and i'd argue Goligoski are better than Ceci. Lol.

01 Apr 2018 16:02:02
Biased Ramblo back with another window licking lopsided trade proposal.

Arizona laughs and then hangs up.

Bobby Ryan has negative value. You're wrong. Get over it.

Look at the comments under your proposal. Fans of all different teams calling it out for what it is -- a garbage, biased proposal. This is not some conspiracy against Ottawa or its players. Take off your homer glasses and come back to reality.

01 Apr 2018 17:36:51
None of those guys you mentioned are anywhere close to being better than ceci. closest one was hjalmerson when he was in Chicago penny picking off the success of guys like Keith Seabrook Campbell hossa Kane panarin byfuglien and toews, now he's a fraction of that player not worth a dime.

As for Ryan let me say it again so maybe it can get through your thick skull.

This season he's been shifted from line to line like crazy some that have chemistry some that don't how does anyone expect him to put up his regular numbers if he doesn't have a steady line combo to work with?

Last season the guy was plagued with health issues that got in the way yet with both of those season he still managed 0.6 points per game which is actually decent and still far away from negative value or goligoski value.

Now that both those seasons are out of the way look at the rest of his career, every other year his point totals were above 50 per year, stats don't lie!

As for batherson comment world juniors definitely affect value of prospect and have for years, what rock have you been living under exactly? So does their junior league performances. How do you think draft priority is determined. same thing for trade value of already drafted prospects.

01 Apr 2018 17:39:38
I’m really starting to get sick of your rubbish No bias.

01 Apr 2018 18:25:09
Dahlin> Karlsson, Stone, Batherson And Pits 1st.

01 Apr 2018 20:49:14
Okay Rambo, whatever man, the agree/ disagree ratio probably doesn't mean s*** to you, but sure.

Ryan has the value of JVR easily, and deserves a 1st Round Pick and a decent prospect.

Ceci is a top 2 dman, and has compltly found that potential. He is capable of keeping up with OEL and Josi. He certainly is comparable to a guy like Ryan Ellis.

And Drake Batherson is a top proapect who is totally guarranteed to be a top 6 forward, with the upside of Matt Barzal cause of course the WJC show everything about a player.

Yup. You're righr about everything Ramo. You truly are so qualified, and are as smart as Steve Yzerman. You deserve 0 criticsm, because you are so smart. Why don't the Senators just hire you? You'd save the franchise!

01 Apr 2018 22:50:40
The worst part is that he's serious. Posts are terrible but the explanations are even worse. Delusional a f.

02 Apr 2018 03:58:41
Rambo the next destruction artist
Ironic.

03 Apr 2018 15:29:47
Do you not know how to read or were you just born with a rock in your head?

I never claimed Ceci was a top 2 guy or was comparable to guys like josi or oel, just that he was a top 3 to 4 dman on most, if not all teams, who is still young and could still reach potential to 2 status.

And yes, Ryan's value is at least the same as jvr, as one/ two bad seasons do not define a players career. Especially a player like Ryan who has put up 50 plus points every other year has played and proved he still has it in last year's playoff run. Saying Ryan has negative value right now is the same thing as saying max domi has negative value right now but I don't see anyone jumping on that band wagon to bash domi? Why not? Domi had an outstanding rookie season but ever since he's been same point totals as Ryan's last 2 years. I'm not saying the guy is worth 7 million but any and every team in the league would be happy to give him 5 million a season for what he contributes to their team if he played for them and that does not mean he is negative value in fact quite the opposite.

No prospect is guarrenteed anything, that is why they are called prospects just like no pick is guarenteed to be number 1 overall in the new lottery format with the 3rd last in the rankings having the worst odds of all top 3 PICKS to even get a top 3 selection. That's the risk teams take on any prospect or draft pick and whether or not they will pan out.

I don't overvalued sens players but unlike you lot I don't undervalued them either. I value them for what they are worth.

30 Mar 2018 15:04:26
Edm: Drai , klefbom , 2019 2nd

Ottawa: Karlsson and hoffman

31 Mar 2018 00:15:13
so basically a 100k per point? missed my calling: (.

01 Apr 2018 19:19:25
How the hell dis this get 7 belihaves there both ufa next drias on a ten your contract and a number 1 center and drais is 21 klefbom is 24 there hoffam and karlson almost 30.

01 Apr 2018 19:20:07
And edm add a second lmao wtf.

23 Mar 2018 20:11:13
Oilers seakra 1 rd pick puljujärvi

Ottawa stone karlson

23 Mar 2018 22:23:34
Jesus lmao stop posting rubbish like this.

24 Mar 2018 06:26:13
Bad for ottawa.

24 Mar 2018 09:21:27
Salary cap go up to $100M?

29 Mar 2018 15:08:07
Noooooooooooo.

23 Mar 2018 19:23:47
OTT: Borowiecki
VAN: Gudbranson

23 Mar 2018 19:23:23
OTT: Dzingel, Brown
EDM: Puljujarvi

23 Mar 2018 21:21:52
ya, obvious no from edm.

23 Mar 2018 21:34:31
Edm considers.

23 Mar 2018 22:24:22
Edmonton doesn’t consider.

22 Mar 2018 19:27:24
OTT: Karlsson, Hoffman, 1st 2020
WPG: Laine, Connor, Morrisey, 1st 2018,

22 Mar 2018 19:47:09
No way Laine gets traded, probably not even for Karlsson. Also Connor > Hoffman.

22 Mar 2018 21:17:11
Way too much from Winnipeg! I understand Karlson is a premiere defence but they already have trouba, buff, and Myers on the right side. Not to mention Connor is having a really good year and will continue to get better and I don’t even need to mention liane. Too much young talent for slightly more talented (arguably) players that are s year or two away from being 30.

22 Mar 2018 21:43:18
I wouldn't give up just laine in that deal. That trade would set winnipeg back 10 years.

23 Mar 2018 02:01:48
Wow, Laine>Karlsson with contract status on EK remaining an unknown. This is pretty bad.

23 Mar 2018 17:25:54
Why would WPG trade their shiny toy that scores 40+ goals, for 1 year of Karlson and two of hoffman.

25 Mar 2018 21:07:06
As good as laine is why in the world would ottawa even consider this laine is a slight upgrade on Hoffman and much younger sure. but the 2 guys wpg giving don't get EKs autographed stick as far as I'm concerned and no way ottawa downgrades their 1st on top of all that. get real and feel your head.

25 Mar 2018 21:09:33
And Conner greater than Hoffman comment is laughable at best. who the heck is Conner? Hoffman is a proven goal scorer no matter how you look at it.

05 Apr 2018 18:08:29
Connor has 30 goals this year and is a 35+ goal scorer for the next handful of years. Already better than Hoffman and is 7 years younger.

22 Mar 2018 19:22:52
OTT: Hoffman
EDM: Nugent-Hopkins

22 Mar 2018 19:29:51
hoffman younger cheaper, RNH is a center. It makes sense but i have a feeling that MTL would make a better offer for RNH.

22 Mar 2018 19:36:47
I would say Ottawa wants someone younger and cheaper in return, but after hearing that Dorion turned down a package for Hoffman because it was ‘future oriented’, I don’t wanna begin to try to guess what he wants lol.

22 Mar 2018 19:52:11
Hoffman’s like 4 or 5 years older I believe.

23 Mar 2018 15:46:57
Yeah Hoffman is older, makes a bit less but will need a raise sooner which will have him make more than RNH. Value isn’t bad probably, just if I’m Ottawa I would rather get a prospect and a good pick to try and hit on a legit #1 centre rather than settle on a good #2.

16 Mar 2018 01:16:33
EDM:RNH+Kris Russell
OTT:Erik Karlsson

EDM:Matt Benning+2nd round 2018
NYR:Chris Kreider

16 Mar 2018 02:13:41
Lool like Ottawa doesn’t have enough bad contracts.

16 Mar 2018 06:00:54
Oh god these are bad are you serious lmao.

16 Mar 2018 12:20:33
Easy easy no from sens and rangers lol both are trying to get picks and prospects to build. So value and team wants aren’t close for either.

14 Mar 2018 21:20:25
Carolina: Noah Hanifin
Edmonton: Leon Draisaitl

Montreal: Brendan Gallagher
Edmonton: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Ottawa: Mark Stone, Mike Hoffman
Edmonton: Kailer Yamamoto, Jesse Puljujärvi, Tyler Benson, 1st Round Pick

Arizona: Max Domi
Edmonton: Andrej Sekera, Ryan Strome

Toronto: Tyler Bozak, Connor Carrick
Edmonton: Oscar Klefbom, Pontus Aberg

Hoffman - McDavid - Stone
Domi - Bozak - Gallagher
Lucic - Cagguila - Cammalleri

Hanifin - Larsson
Nurse - Carrick
Russell - Bear / Benning

14 Mar 2018 22:20:13
No from Edmonton
No from Edmonton
No from Arizona
No from Edmonton.

14 Mar 2018 23:44:59
Oh god these are bad.
No from Edmonton on every trade except Arizona.
Only one interesting is the Ottawa trade and that’s going to be a no from Edmonton, would be nice to get both those players be realistically only Hoffman should be targeted.

15 Mar 2018 00:35:30
I don’t think domi has a ton of value, just don’t think that’s the kind of return they would want. They would want young and skilled coming back.

15 Mar 2018 05:18:02
I’m not sure how a UFA and Carrick gets you Klefbom, let alone Aburg but I’ll take it.

15 Mar 2018 12:26:09
Lol yeah. That leaf one is rediculous. If oilers were in the playoffs and desperately needed centre help it wouldn’t be a good trade still, but when they’re out and his contract is up, it’s one of the worst I’ve seen.

15 Mar 2018 12:26:20
Interesting . EDM fans don't like that trade and i can't believe any Sens fan would want that trade . that's what's called a lose lose . Stone isn't going anywhere. He's been our best player this year . and We didn't trade Hoffman because he's tearing it up with Duchene. As good as Puljujarvi and Moto are, You would literally lose every single Sens fan in the world if you trade those two for prospects. Dorion was said to have rejected a "future driven offer" for hoff already so i can only imagine he wants immediate help.

15 Mar 2018 18:59:43
Hoff, when a team enters a full rebuild (as your owner already stated) the idea is to trade your older players for younger pkayers, not looking for immediate help at this moment.

16 Mar 2018 00:32:57
Maybe quantity equals quality there, I’m not sure. I still wouldn’t trade either of Stone or Hoffman unless an offer blows them away. If Karlsson is traded, the players coming back could put them right back into the playoffs. If Karlsson stays they will have a pretty good core with Duchene, Stone, Hoffman, Karlsson, Chabot and I’m sure I’m missing a couple.

16 Mar 2018 02:12:38
Leafs 17 your just an absolute breath of fresh air on here man. One of the best I've seen. how can a habs fan agree with everything a leaf fan says.? It doesn't happen all the time I can tell you that lol.

16 Mar 2018 13:53:08
Lool. McJesus . Stone is 24. that's not "old" at all. He's is not going Anywhere. and Hoff is 27. just entering his prime.

16 Mar 2018 14:15:56
Stone is 26 not 24. But I agree he’s not someone that needs to go to get younger and better. He’s a great player and does everything including being a leader. If they trade Karlsson I see it kinda becoming stones team.

16 Mar 2018 16:46:11
And @mcjesus leafs did their rebuild and definitely had to get rid of core players like phaneuf and kessel, along with bad contracts like Clarkson and dealt with lupul in a more creative way to say the least lol but they still kept a cpl guys in their mid 20s that they identified as being good examples during the build and still good enough when the team is better to contribute. Guys like Kadri, JVR and Bozak are now 27, 29 and 31 or 32 and playing important roles on a good team. For the right offer, anyone should be available, but it’s more than possible to build for the future while keeping a guy like Stone in the mix.

16 Mar 2018 17:09:19
All I was saying was a rebuild is when you trade players for younger players, that’s the point of a rebuild. So when he said Dorion rejected a future driven offer that’s strange.
I didn’t say anything about actually trading Hoffman or stone I only commented on what Dorion supposedly said.

16 Mar 2018 18:24:09
Yeah. I would think the offer would have to have been low not to move Hoffman. For sure rebuild should be future driven pieces coming tho. If those aren’t the offers he wanted, don’t nnow why he would say rebuild at all lol.

14 Mar 2018 19:53:22
CGY: Mark Jankowski + Jusso Valimaki + Brett Gawdin + Matthew Phillips + Ty Parsons

OTT: Mark Stone + Mike Hoffman

14 Mar 2018 22:07:57
Not enough.

14 Mar 2018 23:48:05
Lol Brett Gawdin? It’s Glenn.

15 Mar 2018 00:28:41
So apperantly:

Jankowski + Valimaki + Gawdin + Phillips + Parsons = Yamamoto + Pulj + top 10 pick in a stacked draft + Strome.

Lol.

15 Mar 2018 12:27:17
Good god. get out . plz.

 
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