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30 Jul 2016 16:10:56
Ottawa Trades: Cody Ceci, Clarke MacArthur, Curtis Lazar, 2017 1st (lottery protected)

Colorado Trades: Gabriel Landeskog.

30 Jul 2016 17:16:14
Way way too much for Landeskog.

30 Jul 2016 17:40:36
Jesus that's way to much for Landy.

30 Jul 2016 18:13:53
10000% Ottawa will never do that.

30 Jul 2016 20:33:34
Not enough quality for Landy. Would you trade 4 quarters for a dollar?

30 Jul 2016 23:22:03
4 Quarters = 1 dollar

@BJ96

am i not getting something here or.

31 Jul 2016 00:28:33
I'm with BJ. Some decent quality pieces but not quite there. No from both.

31 Jul 2016 06:02:04
Lol @TysonBarrie
Wow.
I'm not even going to reply lol.

29 Jul 2016 02:43:25
Ottawa:
LW - Matt Puempel $0.900
D - Andreas Englund $0.776

Arizona:
RW - Tobias Reider - RFA.

29 Jul 2016 05:38:38
Not worth it for Ottawa.

There are already rumours that Reider will most likely sign in Europe.

29 Jul 2016 08:19:53
Why isn't that worth it? He probably wants to play in the NHL just isn't getting a fair contract offer.

29 Jul 2016 12:32:17
He has been asking for far too much based on his stats. Ottawa certainly won't give him the money.

29 Jul 2016 19:17:14
I doubt I team like Ottawa with an internal cap limit would give Reider the money he wants. Not a bad idea tho.

29 Jul 2016 20:06:52
Well the way I see it, Rieder is probably commanding a contract somewhere around what Vladislav Namestikov just received in Tampa (AAV $1.9375).

Ottawa would be moving out $1.672 out for Reider, So adding another $400,000, give or take a few thousand, I don't think that would be make or break a deal like this. Even with an internal budget team like Ottawa.

28 Jul 2016 19:24:06
OTT: rights to Cody Ceci, Bobby Ryan, conditional 3rd if Ceci signs
EDM: Jordan Eberle, Brandon Davidson

Ottawa line up
Hoffman - Brassard - Eberle
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Lazar
Puempel - Kelly - Paul

Methot - Karlsson
Chabot - Phanuef
Davidson - Wideman

Anderson - Hammond.

28 Jul 2016 19:54:59
Too much salary coming at Edmonton.

28 Jul 2016 20:14:20
Ceci is offer sheet protected and has no arbitration rights. Why would Ottawa give a 3rd if he signs? He has literally nowhere to go if he doesn't. Also, no from Ottawa. Doesn't help them at all.

28 Jul 2016 20:42:18
*if ceci signs a long term contract.

28 Jul 2016 20:46:07
Mcjesus, the only salary coming to Edmonton would be the ceci resigning. Ryan's salary equals to less than Ederle and Davidson together and in return they're getting a much better needed upgrade on D.

28 Jul 2016 21:27:26
You have Brassard as Ott. #1 center? Wow.

28 Jul 2016 21:46:07
Yeah boobies you just said Ryan's salary is close to being equal to both of those players, and then adding on another 3-5 mil for Ceci. That's too much like I said. Oilers would need to send a cap dump or OTT retains on Ryan or I can't see Oilers making it.

29 Jul 2016 03:36:24
Or add Pouliot and Lazar. I know it's not very realistic but it would make salary closer and fill a need for both teams.

27 Jul 2016 20:23:25
Anaheim: Silfverberg

Rangers: Hayes + Ottawas 2nd rounder 2018.

27 Jul 2016 22:40:54
I was thinking of Silferberg+ for Kreider.

28 Jul 2016 02:20:28
But Kreider > Silferberg.

28 Jul 2016 06:24:55
That's why I added a plus behind silfverbergs name. Obviously not straight up Mcjesus.

26 Jul 2016 02:44:14
Toronto: JVR and Josh Lievo

Anahiem: 2017 1st and 2018 1st

Or

Toronto: JVR and Valiev

Islanders: Dal Colle, Sorkin and 2017 2nd

Or

Toronto: JVR

Minnasota: Dumba and 2nd

Or

Toronto: JVR and 2nd

Kings: Tyler Toffli

Or

Toronto: JVR

Montreal: Mccaron, Fucal and 2nd 2017

Or

Toronto: JVR and Polak (Deadline Deal)

Ottawa: Cici and 2nd

Or

Toronto: JVR

Flyers: Sanhiem and 2nd

Or

Leafs: JVR

Washington: Marcus Johannson and Ilya Samsonov

JVR dosent really fit the Leafs age sense he will be heading somewhere else in 2 years because he dosent fit into Toronto. The May as well just trade him for Max value.

26 Jul 2016 04:33:44
Id do the Montreal trade, wouldn't be easy to play against McCarron on the Leafs but that LW hole needs to be filled.

26 Jul 2016 05:53:21
Samsonov won't be getting traded from Caps, but JVR could be pretty dope on Capitals and could really give them that extra push for the cup.

26 Jul 2016 07:12:14
McJesus who would caps add instead then?

26 Jul 2016 07:36:51
I personally don't think they wanna get rid of Johansson, so I don't know who else I would include. I still think JVR should stay on leafs idk why nobody wants him anymore.

But idk let's just keep what you had. Maybe Jo + O'Brien or a different B prospect. And I say B because i still don't think they would want to trade away Johansson. But they definitely won't be trading away a top goalie prospect throughout the whole league, that's too much/ they won't trade him.

26 Jul 2016 09:04:45
Absolutely no chance JVR could get Toffoli. Toffolli is younger and already almost as good as JVR.

26 Jul 2016 09:23:51
In fact I'd argue he's just as good right now if anyone's up for it lol.

26 Jul 2016 11:18:27
Toffoli is far and away better than JVR.

26 Jul 2016 11:18:27
Toffoli is far and away better than JVR.

26 Jul 2016 14:33:23
Barddownbeauty why do you think the Leafs would want to trade JVR to anyone? Do you know something that no one else knows about JVR that is the reason he is being peddled at least 5 times a day on this site? If he is that expendable why would other teams want him unless they can steal him for a 2nd round pick. I'm not knocking any of your trade proposals, I'm just curious as to why is he Leaf nations go to trade player? I and many others that post replies, don't believe he is worth as much as leaf fans think he is.

26 Jul 2016 17:32:30
No way you get Toff for JVR based off age and the fact that JVR will walk in 2 years.

26 Jul 2016 22:26:38
Because JVR has a lot of value and is a UFA in 2 years IslandJet the leafs don't need him.

23 Jul 2016 22:08:46
just wanna know thoughts of the VALUE and value only of this trade (so count out player needs and cap space)

Nyr: Pietrangelo, Berglund, Barbashev,

Stl: Nash (50%retain), Klein, Miller, 2nd rounder 2018 (Ottawa), Graves.

23 Jul 2016 22:54:43
A bunch a scraps for the 2nd coming of Bobby Orr? Easy no for the Blues!

23 Jul 2016 23:43:50
Petriangelo is untouchable, and so is barbashev. The value is way off incase you're wondering

24 Jul 2016 00:13:51
Value isn't close. Rangers can't give Nash away as it is, Klein is a good D, but just not a game changer, and those guys never get the same value. Pietrangelo and berglund would need to be pried away from the blues and I just don't see this package being near enough.

24 Jul 2016 01:52:51
That's a he'll no.

24 Jul 2016 05:36:54
Bobby Orr? Petriangelo had 37 points last year.

24 Jul 2016 06:05:06
Boris he's joking.

24 Jul 2016 18:20:38
It's not about points with dmen there is much more to there game then that.

23 Jul 2016 14:21:36
EDM
Jordan Eberle (6mil)
OTT
Bobby Ryan (6.5mil)
2017 2nd Round Pick (due to age and past 3 year point production)

Bobby Ryan, Age 29
6'2 207lbs shoots right
Stats:
2015/ 16
81GP 22G 34A 56P
2014/ 15
78GP 18G 36A 54P
2013/ 14
70GP 23G 25A 48P

Jordan Eberle, Age 26
5'11 181lbs shoots right
Stats:
2015/ 16
69GP 25G 22A 47P
2014/ 15
81GP 24G 39A 63P
2013/ 14
80GP 28G 37A 65P

Oilers get a more experienced big skilled RW and a second round pick. And Ottawa gets a younger skilled player.

Lines should look like this

Lucic - McDavid - Ryan
Pouliot - Nugent-Hopkins - Puljujarvi
Maroon - Draisaitl - Yakupov
Hendricks - Letestu - Kassian

Hoffman - Turris - Stone
Smith - Brassard - Eberle
MacArthur - Pageau - Lazar
Dzingel - Kelly - Neil

Hoffman and Eberle would be sick on the wings with Turris but I'm sure the sens would stick with stone but Eberle beside brassard would be scary aswell. Both teams win.

23 Jul 2016 14:27:15
Why would edmonton trade for a player who produces less for a 2nd. Eberle isn't big but he scores.

23 Jul 2016 14:35:04
Ryan makes 7.5 mil.

23 Jul 2016 15:41:58
Sens don't have a 2nd in '16 or '17.

23 Jul 2016 17:13:47
or a 2nd in 2018*.

23 Jul 2016 18:48:08
Eberle would look good on Sens, but he's not worth losing for Ryan and a second. Cap is an issue and production like everyone else said. Good idea, but if Eberle is getting traded a RHD pick moving dman is coming back to Edmonton that's the only way he's getting dealt.

23 Jul 2016 19:46:07
He makes 7.5? I had no idea, that's not what it says

23 Jul 2016 20:30:01
I was really thinking of a Eberle, Yakupov for Lazar, Ryan.

25 Jul 2016 21:53:34
Eberle for Methot, Lazar and a 2nd? The Sens can't keep methot in the upcoming expansion draft and it comes down to smith or lazar for ottawas last forward slot, assuming eberle is on the team.

23 Jul 2016 06:40:28
SJS: Patrick Marleau
Matt Nieto

OTT: Codi Ceci
Jean-Gabriel Pageau

Or

SJS: Patrick Marleau
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 2nd Round pick

OTT: Bobby Ryan.

23 Jul 2016 07:43:19
That Bobby Ryan trade is pretty ridiculous man.

23 Jul 2016 17:17:03
Same with the Pageau trade.

23 Jul 2016 02:05:23
OTT: Dion Phaneuf
NYR: Marc Staal

Who adds? I think it's fair.

23 Jul 2016 04:46:52
Ottawa adds.

23 Jul 2016 04:46:52
Ottawa adds.

23 Jul 2016 09:22:32
Ottawa adds? Are you for real right now? They are similar in stats and similar in age.

23 Jul 2016 15:08:39
Well, the Rangers would take this and run. One player can play hockey and the othe4 sucks.

23 Jul 2016 17:01:24
I'd much rather have 5 mil then 7mil.

22 Jul 2016 22:04:35
TOR: Dion Phaneuf
Matt Frattin
Casey Bailey
Ryan Rupert

OTT: Jared Cowen
Milan Michalek
Colin Greening
Tobias Lindberg
2017 2nd Round Pick.

22 Jul 2016 22:35:33
Lol yeah.

22 Jul 2016 22:43:44
Easy no from the leafs.

22 Jul 2016 17:27:31
OTT: 2017 3rd, 2019 2nd

EDM: Yakupov

Hoffman - Brassard - Ryan
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Yakupov
Paul - Kelly - Neil.

22 Jul 2016 18:48:08
The trade is okay, but I feel like edm doesn't want just picks for Yak.

Where is Lazar in the lines?

22 Jul 2016 19:01:56
I was just going to say where is Lazar.

22 Jul 2016 15:33:33
DAL: Yakupov
EDM: 2nd or 3rd Round 2017

OTT: Yakupov
EDM: 2nd or 3rd Round 2017

idk what EDM wants from teams for him but if Yakupov went to DAL or OTT I think he'd succeed very well. I could see him playing on every line on DAL and he could fit perfect on 3rd line RW in OTT Smith - Pageau - Yakupov.

22 Jul 2016 16:43:30
Seems fair for Yak. Sens do t have a 2017 2nd, traded it to T. O in the Phaneuf deal.

22 Jul 2016 17:13:55
yes I remembered as soon as I posted this they didn't have a 2nd.

22 Jul 2016 17:24:30
Maybe 2019 2nd. I'll take that deal for Ottawa. That'd be a solid 3rd line.

22 Jul 2016 18:04:04
Chia pretty much stated he isn't moving Yak for picks, if at all. So although some may think the value is there, he won't trade Yak just for the sake of trading him.

22 Jul 2016 04:25:30
I'm interested to see what happens with Ottawa this year I've heard they are going with a win or bust attitude so this is a what if, but what if Ottawa misses the playoffs and they make some big changes.

Edmonton: Eberle, Nurse and 1st 2017

Ottawa: Ryan, Ceci and 2nd 2017 and/ or a prospect.

22 Jul 2016 05:15:00
Overpayment by Oilers.

22 Jul 2016 07:45:21
Yah that's a no from Edmonton.

22 Jul 2016 01:44:16
Edm: RNH

Ott: Ceci

I think ceci is 3rd pairing. Ott needs a centreman. This makes too much sense but both sides probably to stubborn to pull the trigger.

22 Jul 2016 04:50:16
I think Ceci is 2nd pairing and Ottawa doesn't need a centreman. your right about one thing they won't pull the trigger.

22 Jul 2016 05:15:51
Nuge > Ceci, but with the market being so tough. I'd still say no from Oilers.

22 Jul 2016 05:16:23
Brassard and Turris aren't a bad 1-2. Also Ceci is 2nd pairing.

22 Jul 2016 05:58:27
Just get Nuge on some PEDS and he'd be great. he's too small but much better than ceci even at this point.

21 Jul 2016 21:24:51
OTT: Hoffman, 4th
PHI: Ghost.

21 Jul 2016 22:23:52
I know Philly has lots of good D prospects coming up in the system that should push for spots in the next few seasons (Provorov, Morin, Sanheim) but I don't see Ghost moving after the season he just had. Also that would mean the Senators would lose Ghost in the expansion draft sooo idk.

22 Jul 2016 00:05:13
BJ is supa smart. Very true statement, Ghost won't be getting traded, and he would be screwed for expansion. Maybe post expansion? Still probably not.

22 Jul 2016 02:19:08
He would get protected they'd just let Ceci go and big no from philly.

22 Jul 2016 02:38:29
I think Ghost will be a top defender in the league. Really intriguing to watch, he dominated for such a small defender which isn't common. Not enough for him anyways.

22 Jul 2016 05:17:10
Maybe a Ceci, Hoffman for Ghost+ swap.

22 Jul 2016 05:27:33
Ceci + Hoffman for Ghost + Schenn? Ebs?

21 Jul 2016 21:15:34
Oil: Pouliot + Davidson + 2nd Conditional (If Oilers make playoffs then it turns into 1st)

Sens: Hoffman + Ceci

Sens clearly don't want Hoffman long term, Pouliot (less cap) enters as complementary scorer + possible 1st round. Davidson for Ceci?

Just something I thought about. Don't think Ottawa would do it because Ceci is RHD, but I'm putting it up anyways.

21 Jul 2016 22:05:20
Think edm would have to add another piece here. Maybe switch to yak.

21 Jul 2016 22:06:26
Hoffman > Pouliot 2nd
Ceci >> Davidson

Very easy no for Ottawa especially considering they are getting weaker at both positions when they are clearly trying to improve their team to make a push for the playoffs (Brassard trade) .

21 Jul 2016 22:17:30
This is terrible for Ottawa that probably wouldn't get Cici alone.

21 Jul 2016 22:25:04
Doubt Sens do that.
Hoffman >> Pou
Ceci >> Davidson
And the 2nd doesn't make up the difference. I don't see Oil making the playoffs next year. Soon they will but still some holes to fill.

21 Jul 2016 22:42:39
Davidson is very underated they are very close I believe. Thing is Hoffman is lazy defensively don't know if he would fit in edm system. I don't think edm would do this trade and Ott wouldn't do it either.

21 Jul 2016 23:18:56
@Mike13

Even if those things are true this still makes the trade lopsided.
Davison is underrated yes, but he is a top 4 defenceman and that's his ceiling.

Ceci has a chance to be a top 2 defenceman and a good one.
Hoffman has great offensive skill, doesn't matter if he doesn't help out defencsivly. A lot of forwards don't and i'm fine with that. He isn't a 2-way forward.

Edmonton would take this and run.

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@McJesus

I thought you had good evaluation of hockey players' value but honestly, what is this?

22 Jul 2016 00:11:55
Well it should be a 1st I'd assume they would make playoffs. Ceci and Davidson are very very close if you have actually watched both players. I had Yak originally but Oil are going to be taking on a lot of Cap, and that's why I put Pouliot instead, and he's also LW.

And BarDown do you always overrate players? You think Ceci is worth Pouliot Davidson and a 1st round? Come on.

I also doubt Sens do this (as I said in the post) but they don't want Hoffman as they've shown with the arbitration back to back years, and I just made a proposal to try and get him.

22 Jul 2016 01:08:40
not a chance from Ottawa, they give up the 2 best players in the trade by a landslide.

22 Jul 2016 01:10:17
Mike13 Edm would take that no questions asked.

22 Jul 2016 01:24:13
Lol Tyson don't get me started bud.

I was going to put Nuge and Davidson for Hoffman and Ceci, but now that leaves holes everywhere for each team. Wouldn't work out.

I already said I don't expect this to work I literally put it up for the hell of it, haha Jesus. I know it's not good but this is what I put up for Hoffman. I didn't know what else to include. So oh well.

22 Jul 2016 01:27:50
And Ceci will never be a top 2. Especially on Ottawa.
I saw it as,

Pouliot + 1st for Hoffman (reasons I already said)
Davidson for Ceci

Ceci doesn't even need to be included, I wanted to go for only Hoffman but oilers will never trade a 1st round for another forward. Hence I added Ceci.

Yes not a great proposal by me, I guess, I'll admit it, but I don't think it's as bad as you're trying to say, especially overvaluing Ceci.

22 Jul 2016 02:09:49
This doesn't help in the long term or short term this is just a really bad one way trade.

22 Jul 2016 04:07:41
Not a chance Ottawa does this. I agree that they are giving the best 2 players, and the pick isn't enough. Also going to arbitration doesn't mean they don't want the player, could be the exact opposite. If they didn't want him they could have traded him over the last 2 years, including his rights this offseason while awaiting a hearing. arbitration isn't always the best route but it's a way to guarantee you get him under contract.

22 Jul 2016 04:12:49
@McJesus

Ceci's ceiling is higher and also he is right handed.

22 Jul 2016 05:19:28
True, but Ceci really hasn't done that much. I know Davidson only played just over half of the season for Edmonton before he got hurt, but the big difference between them is Ceci shoots right and may have a higher upside offensively, but Davidson is better on defense.

Also idc about Ceci that much, like I said I wanted Hoffman primarily but just too many holes would be created for both sides.

22 Jul 2016 05:19:29
Make up all the excuses you want just doesn't make sense for OTT. Value wise a 2017 first could make it an easy no from EDM.

18 Jul 2016 19:06:51
Wow kinda big trade just happend, I find it surprising.

Rangers trade - Derrik Brassard
Senators trade - Mika Zibanejad

Thoughts?

18 Jul 2016 19:20:11
Rangers win the trade. Mika has had back to back 50 point seasons and is only 23, plus a second rounder. Brassard is good as well putting up 3 50 plus point seasons but the youth difference and the second rounder help push the trade win to the Rangers!

18 Jul 2016 19:24:13
Also 2018 2nd going to Rangera, and 2018 7th going to Senators. No 2nds for the next 2 years for Ottawa as of now.

18 Jul 2016 19:26:02
New York got a really good deal in my opinion. And they got a 2nd round and gave up a 7th.

18 Jul 2016 19:50:48
Not happy about this trade as a Sens fan. But I see what Dorion is trying to do.

18 Jul 2016 20:03:15
Win for the Rangers. Younger Player and a 2nd rounder, and don't drop in offensive production as they were very similar last season in points.

18 Jul 2016 20:05:09
Imo I think it's a good trade each team but Rangers get a slight advantage. Simimilar production, Zbad is younger, and I think he'll be better then Brassard is now once he hits that age.

18 Jul 2016 20:57:25
This seem pretty bad for Ottawa.

18 Jul 2016 21:25:15
I'm trying to look at this unbiased. I still think everyone is under rating Brassard. Although I think the Rangers won the trade I don't think you guys are giving Brassard enough credit.

18 Jul 2016 22:53:30
Brassard is the better player as of now.

19 Jul 2016 03:07:31
@Ebsolutely, you're probably right but Zibanejad isn't that far behind Brassard and he's 5 years younger.

19 Jul 2016 06:31:31
I'd take Zbad over Brasard with age and contracts considered.

18 Jul 2016 18:58:48
Ottawa zbad and 2nd

Nyr brassard and 7th.

17 Jul 2016 22:36:36
TOR: Kadri 2nd 2017

OTT: Hoffman.

18 Jul 2016 00:19:25
No from Ottawa, they can get a better offer for Hoffman.

18 Jul 2016 00:52:14
Hoffmans a great player but the leafs don't need wingers and I would rather keep the 2nd and the very cost affordable contract.

18 Jul 2016 03:42:19
Yah I agree with Charles and I doubt they'd GE a better offer.

17 Jul 2016 07:25:53
Pens: Daley and two 2nds (2017 and 2018)
for
Ott: Ceci

Resign Ceci for 3 or 4yrs, at $4mil and sign Jimmy Vesey.

Pens lineup:

Sheary - Crosby - Hornqvist
Vesey - Malkin - Rust
Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel
Kunitz - Sundqvist - Fehr

Dumoulin - Letang
Maatta - Ceci
Cole - Schultz.

17 Jul 2016 07:40:58
I just hate how damn good that third line is oh baby.

17 Jul 2016 09:26:11
Penguins won't be getting Vessey unfortunately, Sprong is probably a more realistic option on Geno's left wing.

17 Jul 2016 13:38:02
That does not come near getting Ceci.

17 Jul 2016 15:24:28
I highly doubt Kessel will play 15 min a night on the 3rd line in the regular season.

17 Jul 2016 18:39:29
Who says 3rd line has to play 15 minutes?

17 Jul 2016 19:07:41
That's how much they usually play.

 
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