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15 May 2017 23:28:31
heard a lot of rumours that ovi will get traded. Here is a HYPOTHETICAL trade

Ott: chabot, 2017 1st, 2018 1st, ceci
Wsh: Ovechkin

PS: he has an 8 million $ contract

16 May 2017 00:31:20
Actually he has 9,583,432.00 mil cap hit with 10,000,000 per actual salary for the remainder because it was a front loaded contract.

16 May 2017 01:51:24
Doubt he gets traded.

16 May 2017 03:15:25
Besides the fact you don't know his cap, you also don't know anything about his value. Pretty easy no from caps.

16 May 2017 20:24:20
Honestly to much for a 31 year old Ovi. Chabotnplsu two first rounder and a top 4 RhHD. seems like overpayment to me.

08 May 2017 05:31:04
Ottawa: 1st 2018, chabot, 1st 2017
Dallas: Tyler seguin

08 May 2017 05:43:42
Big no from Dallas for many obvious reasons. How overrated is Chabot now?

08 May 2017 13:08:06
no from both teams, Ottawa doesn't have the prospects to be able to do this and Dallas won't trade Seguin.

08 May 2017 15:13:31
I think there's a basis for a deal here. If Ottawa adds a bottom 6 roster forward that might just work.

05 May 2017 06:22:12
Very unlikely but what would their trade value be as of right now.

(Ovi and Kovalchuk? )
WSH: Alex Ovechkin
NJ: 1st Overall + Steve Santini + John Quenneville + Pavel Zacha

WSH: Niklas Backstrom
PHI: 2nd Overall + Ivan Provorov

WSH: Lars Eller
OTT: Bobby Ryan

Resign Oshie

REBUILD LINES

Marcus Johansson-Evgeni Kuznetzov-TJ Oshie
Andre Burakovsky-Nolan Patrick-Bobby Ryan
Nico Hischier-Pavel Zacha-Tom Wilson
Daniel Winnik-Jay Beagle-Brett Connolly

05 May 2017 08:12:28
washington would never trade ovi, even if they did they could get way more than that and way better than that.

i would say the backstrom trade would be close but likely would never happen as no from both sides, more likely philly.

bobby ryan is worth more than lars eller.

05 May 2017 08:51:49
What the crap dude.

05 May 2017 18:56:06
As a Caps fan, all this does is screw up our team. Jersey and Philly are going nowhere, so why would Ovi and Backie leave when they want to win now?

05 May 2017 19:21:39
Ryan's long term salary is too much for any GM to take on. Ottawa is going to have to suck it up and buy him out.

Once bought out, Washington can get him for a realistic salary and term without spending an asset.

13 May 2017 22:55:42
Provorov PLUS 2nd overall? Bwaahaha. What are you smoking?

05 May 2017 01:09:01
Ott: Ceci, 1st
TB: Drouin

05 May 2017 17:57:27
No thanks.

02 May 2017 19:06:13
Ottawa: 1st 2017, chabot, dzingel
Pittsburgh: malkin

Pittsburgh needs help on defence. Ottawa adds a first line center

02 May 2017 19:19:26
Very easy pass from Pittsburgh.

02 May 2017 20:07:02
A weak 1st and a good prospect for a top 5/ 10 player in the league? I wish.

02 May 2017 20:28:47
Easy pass from ottawa. Screw those damn russkies we don't need them. But as player value goes ottawa adds.

02 May 2017 20:13:11
You can't be serious.
Low 1st round weak draft year pick. Young unproven Dman and a no name for Malkin?

You're teasing right?

02 May 2017 21:00:15
Big no from Ottawa.

02 May 2017 22:17:16
Really VB? Lol 😂.

02 May 2017 22:20:20
Like I get cap wise this is way off and wouldn't work but the value isn't close either.

02 May 2017 23:46:25
Would take a lot to get Malkin out of Pittsburgh. he's still a top 10 maybe top 5 guy in the league . Would take a very good capable 2nd line center, a top 4 defender, top pick and good prospect to get him . that's jus my opinion.
I like Chabot, I think Sens should hang on to him, . unless Pittsburgh would say yes to this. which they wont.

03 May 2017 00:02:05
Ohh my I meant to say Pittsburgh it would be be like. Sorry I was pretty much asleep

Huge no from pits Malkin is a star Ottawa takes this and runs when Malkin comes up Pits says Karlsson then the discussion ends.

03 May 2017 00:14:32
Hahaha ok just checking because I thought you were a fan of Geno aswell, well thanks for not thinking Sens decline lol.

01 May 2017 17:00:01
Summer in Montreal

Montreal Trade to Vegas

2nd roud pic 2017-2nd roud pic 2018

Vegas : Vegas Choose Plekanec in the expantion draft

Montreal sign Free Agent Vadim Shipachev to a 3 years 5.5m/yr contract

Montreal Sign Radulov to a 5 year 6.25M/yr contract

Montreal sign Galcheyuk for a 8 year contract 4.5m/year

Montreal sign Markov for a 2 years 3.5m/year

Montreal Sign steve Ott for 2 year 800k/yr

Montreal sign Martinsen for 1 year 800k/yr

Montreal trade Emelin and beaulieu to New Jersey for 2nd round pic 2017- 2nd round pic 2018

Montreal Loose:
Nesterov to KHL
King to free agent
Flynn to free agent



Pacioretty Shipachev Radulov
Lekhonen Danault Galcheyuk
Byron Shaw Gallagher
Martinsen Ott Mitchell
(McCarron)

Markov-Weber
Jerabek-Petry
Benn-Davidson

Price
Montoya

01 May 2017 17:24:25
Unfortunately Galchenyuk is going to want more than that., as will Markov.
Id be happy if Plekanec went to Vegas.

01 May 2017 17:52:33
What happens to Beaulieu and De La Rose (Both are RFA's)

01 May 2017 17:58:59
Beaulieu is in the trade with emelin to New jersey and De La Rose will play in the american league.

01 May 2017 17:59:47
Also a report came out saying that the Habs are NOT interested in Shipachev.

01 May 2017 19:03:44
Never heard of Shipachev, can this guy step into a #1 center role?

01 May 2017 19:27:51
gab11, De La ROse needs to be re-signed before he plays in the american league.

01 May 2017 19:46:17
Emelin getting a 2nd round pick lmao.

01 May 2017 23:36:04
Your contract salaries are crazy. You are giving them money on how skilled they are in your opinion.

Markov will ask for 4.5-5.5 million dollars i bet.
Chuck is not signing for 8 years in MTL lol. Especially for 4.5 million.

02 May 2017 06:45:58
LOL.
Why would Vegas want Plekanic. Can't see that one happening. but nice try.

Montreal is going to lose Markov to UFA if only 3.5M is offered. Too many teams looking for a good Vet D-man.

Galchenyk will probably need more than 4.5 to sign for 8. 4.5 might be a bridge deal for a few years to get him to UFA status, but He will probably make a lot more than that. Back-end loaded contract at 6.0 might get him to sign that long.

02 May 2017 06:47:39
De la rose is useless and will probably end up a rfa.

30 Apr 2017 08:07:36
God damn it

Philly rebuild part 2.

Trade 2

Pli: Voracek

Nyi: 17 or 18 1st grabovski and?

Trade 3

Pli: Simmonds

Ott: something

Trade 4

Do something with the rest of the guys that don't fit the rebuild.

30 Apr 2017 08:33:32
Much more stuff to deal with a philly rebuild but screw it got lazy.

30 Apr 2017 09:48:40
Wow great trade for Sens, I can't see why they wouldn't accept that one. And it better be a nice add for Voracek because a mid 1st and cap dump/ player who will likely never play again.

30 Apr 2017 16:31:45
Id be scared of Voracek's contract. he's a good player, but he's overpaid IMO. soon as guys are in the 8mill+ range, for me they better be superstars to warrant that kind of salary. that's a big chunk of your payroll tied to one guy, who has one really good season and some jus decent ones . I don't know what Gabrovski has left on his contract, but are you adding him, because Philly would need to do Islanders a favor for taking the Voracek contract?

30 Apr 2017 16:41:02
Vorchek would need to be retained atleast 1.5 mil. Could probably get a Kessel like return even tho Kessel is better.

29 Apr 2017 20:15:11
Ottawa: ceci, smith, 2017 1st,
Colorado: duchene

29 Apr 2017 22:43:43
Solid no.

29 Apr 2017 23:06:10
OK so that gets you Dushnes stick. Now if you want the guy take Ceci, Smith and by he first out and put Chabot, White and a first in.

30 Apr 2017 01:23:57
Avalanche would want Chabot in any trade for Duchene.
Duchene is a good player, and I know Colorado had a horrible year., but. he still didn't get 20 goals or even 45 points. I think whoever gets him, i'd going to have to way over pay for a 2nd tier star.

30 Apr 2017 02:52:34
Chabot isn't going anywhere. he's the next star in the making. he's averaging in the playoffs over a point a game with saint john sea dogs (18 pts including 5 goals in 14 games) . i'm sorry but sens are going to keep chabot any day if colorado is going to ask for him.

30 Apr 2017 06:13:07
Id keep Chabot as well.

30 Apr 2017 14:20:14
Yea we'll Chabot is what it takes to get Dushene so your not getting him.

23 Apr 2017 01:27:19
2012 Top 15 Re-Draft
(based on needs only)

Edmonton (1) Shayne Gostisbehere
Columbus (2) Alex Galchenyuk
Montreal (3) Filip Forsberg (centre)
New York (4) Matt Murray
Toronto (5) Colton Parayko
Anaheim(6) Morgan Reilly
Minnesota(7) Matt Dumba
Pittsburgh(8) Hamphus Lindholm
Winnipeg(9) Frederick Andersen
Tampa Bay(10) Andrey Vasilevskiy
Washington(11) Tomas Hertl
Buffalo (12) Tom Wilson
Dallas(13)Olli Maatta
Buffalo (14) Ryan Murray
Ottawa(15) Jaccob Slavin

Any corrections?

23 Apr 2017 02:10:48
Any particular reason you picked 2012?

23 Apr 2017 02:27:31
I'll take Lindholm over Dumba and Tom Wilson should be dropped to 15th.

23 Apr 2017 02:34:20
Lots of corrections. Where's Trouba and Skjei?

23 Apr 2017 03:41:30
Probably still way too early for this.

23 Apr 2017 04:03:23
Well. why Columbus would take Galchenyuk over Forsberg is beyond me. and Ghost first? i'd rather have Reilly or Parayko or Hampus Lindholm.
After this playoffs, i'd almost rather anyone on that list than Galchenyuk.

23 Apr 2017 07:32:38
Wtf are you saying man. Ghost going first? Yeah right. Pretty obvious Oilers should take Forsberg first. Doesn't even fit the needs.
Don't need another LHD we want a super star sniper who shoots right.

23 Apr 2017 08:41:19
@McJesus

And please tell me how a center fits their needs? Remeber, Forsberg was drafted as a center.

Gostisbehere will help edmonton on the PP. Puck moving defenceman is what they need. Sekera/ Klefbom is the closest thing to that and that's just not good enough.

''Going first'' It's not even going first in my re-draft. Based on needs and not on skill.

23 Apr 2017 03:37:47
Parayko is better than ghost Murray trust me from all the chatter around the Internet edm would rather have parayko than ghost.

23 Apr 2017 11:55:14
Ghost imo doesn't go first.

He broke out, and had a sophomore slump. I think that he'd be around 5/ 6/ 7 in my books, but not 1.

Lindholm is also >>> Dumba

If you count Forsberg as a centre, than Forsberg is definetly better than Galcnheyuk.

And I'd definetly take Murray, Slavin and Maatta ovee a tough guy like Wilson.

Also, wheres Jacob Trouba?

03 May 2017 15:55:00
Knowing what we know today, there's just no way Vasy isn't selected top 5 regardless of needs.

22 Apr 2017 15:14:07
Philadelphia:
Brassard (81GP/ 14G/ 25A/ 39P) 2 yrs x $5.0MM
Filip Ahl or Filip Chlapik
1st 2018

Ottawa: Claude Giroux (82GP/ 14G/ 44A/ 58P) 5 yrs x $8.25MM

Assumes Giroux waives his NMC which is more likely than waiving for most other teams because Ottawa is more or less home
Assumes Brassard waives his NTC.

Ottawa has cap space and needs a 1st line centre. Giroux had a down year but may have been playing injured. His production is an increase from Brassard and the Senators figure themselves to be a solid playoff team

Philadelphia does it for cap reasons and to get younger. The young defensemen will likely not come in time for the primes of the Flyers forward core.

22 Apr 2017 16:05:42
Im sorry but Ottawa isn't doing that. Claude giroux is getting old and his numbers have dropped recently. As for Brassard, he's proving he's a solid center man in the playoffs and filip chlapik is having an 80 point season. And you want to add a 1st rounder. Good luck with that philly

22 Apr 2017 16:19:37
Huge no from Philly.

22 Apr 2017 16:35:45
Giroux had a down season but is still a very elite player. Mediocre pieces won't get him.

22 Apr 2017 16:41:48
I think Ottawa probably says no.
It seems like Giroux is declining. A few years ago, he was probably a top 5 guy in the league and now. not even sure he's top 30. if his contract was not so big. then maybe I could see a deal, but over 8 million for a guy who seems to be trending down ., think Sens need to pass on this.

22 Apr 2017 18:41:22
Yes Giroux arguably overpaid, zero chance Philly does this. Sens need too add a prospect like Brown/ Chabot, not Ahl/ Chalpik. Ahl seems like a career AHL guy, I mean, his name is Ahl .
E. Karlsson for Gudas, Rubstov or LaBarge and a 2018 1st?

22 Apr 2017 19:39:38
Uh yeah no from philly. Not even close.

22 Apr 2017 19:40:42
I posted this because this is going to be debated in Philly all summer. I can see it going both ways as it really comes down to how one views Giroux's decline, if his injury this season was a factor at all, and what the value difference is between Giroux's and Brassard's production and contracts. I just wanted to hear some views.

22 Apr 2017 20:36:07
Not even on the same planet for Giroux.

22 Apr 2017 20:59:05
You Oilers guys on here are sensible. don't ya think Giroux is going downhill? I really wanted him as a Hab couple years back. Just seems like he has started his decline early for his age? If he was a 6.5 mill guy, then ya, but 8.25. Seems to much.

23 Apr 2017 01:11:43
CrazyAttack

an 80 point season in the juniors is basically nothing.

15 Apr 2017 22:15:15
OTT: Ceci, Brassard

CAR: Skinner, 2nd 2018, Low-Mid D prospect

15 Apr 2017 23:03:55
I wouldn't even trade Skinner alone for that. Canes deffinetly don't need Ceci. take a look at the D on that team. they are all young and have bright futures ahead.

15 Apr 2017 23:05:28
Absolutely no from Carolina.

16 Apr 2017 03:48:10
This does not make sens.

17 Apr 2017 06:08:40
I think it's a no from both teams.
That is terrible for Carolina that's not even close to what they need, and honestly sens don't take that. Their D isn't the strongest imo and losing Ceci would be bad for them even if they get skinner. Not worth it for both.

15 Apr 2017 00:00:37
Ottawa: Ceci, 2017 1st,

Nashville: Josi

Thoughts

15 Apr 2017 05:20:17
Not even close. sorry.

15 Apr 2017 05:52:26
Don't be sorry Sosa. This is absolutely absurd.
Nashville wouldn't even laugh at you they would just instantly hang up.

15 Apr 2017 05:59:10
Josi is way too important for that.

15 Apr 2017 21:08:43
Add Brown and Chabot and I could still see Polie turning it down.

17 Apr 2017 12:52:33
Crazy please stop - you clearly have no ability to see actual value.

12 Apr 2017 17:47:41
Col: Duchene
Ottawa: white, 1st

base?

12 Apr 2017 17:53:45
Needs more chanot.

12 Apr 2017 17:53:58
Chabot*.

12 Apr 2017 18:27:35
Delete White Add Chabot + Turris.

12 Apr 2017 18:34:29
Duchene is severely overated.

13 Apr 2017 03:53:15
honest.

06 Apr 2017 20:30:12
OTT: Derrick Brassard + 2nd round pick 2018 or D prospect (mid range)

EDM: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

For Edmonton it's a playoff performer and solid 50-60's scorer who can also kill penalties, excellent power play guy and friendly cap hit.

For Ottawa an excellent penalty killer with offensive upside who is still young. Basically replaces what they gave up on in Zibanejad.

06 Apr 2017 21:25:55
I would think that Edmonton would rather get a winger.

06 Apr 2017 22:17:36
Brassard is 30 only got 38 pts and RNH is 23 that's 7 years difference. Brassard has 2 more years at 5 million and rnh has 4 years at 6 million. both will be UFAs so i would stick with the NUGE, if i was edm.

06 Apr 2017 22:21:41
Brassard has had 50-60 points twice in his career and he's way older and he's another left hand shot.
Not saying brassard is bad, but Oilers could get a better offer, and by saying that, I mean something that better fits their needs.

07 Apr 2017 01:54:26
Is Brassard a top 4 RHD? Lol.
If Nuge is being traded this off season it's def not for a 30 year old center.
I think now this is the off season one of Eberle or Nuge is traded. And I hope it's Eberle. All depends on their trading partner needs and the player they are going after.

07 Apr 2017 03:06:21
Oilers could definitely get a better package that suits their needs. But cue the stroke that ft4a is about to have. "No karlsson? No nuge. "

07 Apr 2017 03:49:15
TBH i think both teams would decline. For one, Ottawa really needs a quick, agile puck moving center and don't wanna lose yet another 2nd. As for Edmonton, same as the comments above: brass has fewer points and older.

07 Apr 2017 04:15:26
The Oilers can do better than that trading Hopkins, but I think Brassard can get back to form with a new team.

07 Apr 2017 15:17:33
No Karlson in the deal. No RNH for Ottawa.
End of trade discussion.

07 Apr 2017 22:38:44
Let's suppose Karlsson was in the deal. What would you propose is fair for Ottawa to get RNH?

02 Apr 2017 16:10:33
The senators are looking dreadful right now and really need a strong puck possession type of player. So how about this:

Ottawa: Ceci, 2017 1st, Ryan Dzingel

Colorado: Mikko Rantanen

And then we could sign in the offseason a strong defensemen such as Del-Zotto who is an UFA.

Thoughts?

02 Apr 2017 16:27:32
I think it may almost be to much going to Colorado. I know its a weak draft, and I wouldn't right Ceci off just yet and Dzingel, from what I have seen, looks like he is becoming a pretty good player for the Sens, and is he fast! . as for Rantanen, he's a good young playerthat I think Colorado wants to keep in the rebuild process.

02 Apr 2017 16:54:53
Avs said their only untouchables are Mackinnon and Rantanen.

04 Apr 2017 00:19:54
Lmao omg man.

01 Apr 2017 02:01:51
Ottawa:

- Anthony Duclair

- 2017 4th

Arizona:

- Cody Ceci


Ottawa can't protect Ceci i believe. And with his disappointing i don't think they want to.

01 Apr 2017 10:39:29
I wouldn't give up on duclair just yet and coyotes have better dmen.

01 Apr 2017 15:52:55
Have to agree with Colt on this one.

01 Apr 2017 16:03:18
@Colt55

Like who?

Aging and over-paid Goligoski?

Two not NHL-ready defencemen in Chychrun and DeAngelo?

Huge draft-bust now 6th pairing defenceman Luke Schenn?

Yeah.
Sure.

01 Apr 2017 19:41:28
Oops I meant I agree about not giving up on Duclair yet. not bout the defense thing.

01 Apr 2017 23:03:22
Oliver ekman Larson
Jacob chychrun
Deangelo
Connor murphy

Yes two may be rookies but if you have watched them play this year they are playing very well. No need to lose a good power forward in duclair for ceci

Stats

Jacob chychrun
Gp 65 g7 a12 pts 19

Deangelo
Ahl
Gp25. G3 a13. Pts16
Nhl
Gp36 g5 a 8. Pts 13

Conor murphy
Gp73. G2 a15. Pts 17

Oliver larson
No need to post stats


Cody ceci
Gp 76. G2. A14 Pts16



So if you compare their stats together you will see there is no need for Cody ceci in the top four which means he is not a need of the coyotes.

31 Mar 2017 22:35:25
Ottawa: Ceci, Ryan (20% retained), 2017 2nd

Philly: Wayne Simmonds

Thoughts?

31 Mar 2017 23:16:08
Not a prayer.
No way any quality player is going back for Ryan. Sorry.

Ottawa is going to have to buy him out, or send a quality player with him like Florida had to do with Arizona in Crouse AND. retain the max salary possible to move him.

31 Mar 2017 23:18:48
No way from Philly.

31 Mar 2017 20:06:35
NYR: Mika Zibanejad, 2nd 2018
For
OTT: Derrick Brassard, 7th 2018.

31 Mar 2017 20:57:08
NYR fans are pretty high on ZIBBY. They feel he will be their 2nd line center moving forward. ZIBBY is 23 and Brassard is 29 both centers and both put up similar numbers.

Brassard Makes 5 mil for two more years then is UFA

ZIBBY makes 2.65 and is RFA next year.

ALL in ALL with age, pay, production, and RFA/ contract years left i would say that OTT is heavily favored in this trade and that Zibby holds the most Value. I would not make this trade.

31 Mar 2017 21:26:14
this trade literally happened during the summer.

31 Mar 2017 21:43:13
I thought it was a joke but the first response took it as legit. It did happen lol.

31 Mar 2017 22:22:17
Lol. Has that ever happened before? . A reverse trade so to speak? .
And uh. ya . Rangers say nope.

31 Mar 2017 22:44:25
i thought it was a trade back that was being posted?

27 Mar 2017 04:24:20
EDM: RNH
MIN: Dumba

EDM: Ebs + 2nd
Ott: Ceci + Pageau.

27 Mar 2017 06:39:46
No from minny they don't need another center and no from Ottawa. In my opinion ottawa doesn't have great defense as a whole. Ceci should stay.

27 Mar 2017 12:15:57
Agree with McJ above. Minny has Granlund, Staal, Koivu, and a couple other guys like Coyle who can step in and play center.

And Ottawa is very thin on D, Ceci is barely a top 4 defender yet he's heavily leaned on for them.

27 Mar 2017 15:52:58
Kaner88

Oilers do not have a 2nd this year.

Both deals are a complete insult. Oilers quickly dismiss these 1 sided biased trades. You do not trade top 6 forwards for Dmen that are not even as good as the #6 and 7 that you have on the current roster!
Not well thought out at all with organizational suicide as the result for the Oilers.

To net these 2 TOP 6 FORWARDS Minni and Ottawa will have to give up Karlson and Suter in the package or these 2 do not change jerseys.

Counter offer by Oilers for the bottom 6 / Depth Dmen offered.

1. Sub Hendrix and Musil, in for RNH to get a #7 possibly #8 on the Oilers depth charts Dman in Dumba.


2. Keep Pageau, Sub Dillon Simpson, or Musil and 3rd round pick maybe for Eberle and you're in the ballpark for a #6 dman if he can beat out Benning and Gryba who are both playing better than Ceci right now for a lot less money.


Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, Russel, Nurse, Benning >>> Ceci and Dumba

Ceci and Dumba would be lucky to beat out Gryba for the #7 spot on the roster.


Lol, Trade top 6'ers for depth D.
What you're suggesting is along the same lines of:

Johnathan Toews for Roman Polak

Patrick Kane for Philip Larson.

27 Mar 2017 16:31:52
Anyone else find it funny how some people are saying no from teams not named Edmonton. (Including an Oilers fan) but FT4A thinks this is a disgrace of an offer for Edmonton?

27 Mar 2017 17:14:59
Ft4a your evaluation of dumba is laughable. he is easily a second pairing defense on most teams (especially on oils porus d) get a grip on reality

27 Mar 2017 17:25:46
Xcing.
I find it funny that anyone could possibly think this is anything but a Complete 110% Joke. If there's an Oilers fan that thinks this is a good deal. Oil Nation needs to find him and ostracize him from Northern Alberta!

So. let's put this into world colored RED glasses perspective for you and I eagerly await your comment on the matter.

Trade proposed is equivalent to trading:
Monahan + 2nd for Dumba and Little J for Ceci and Pageau?

Is THAT a fair trade?


More perspective in case anyone doesn't fully understand.

Laine + 2nd and Scheiffle for Ceci and Dumba equivalent ( For peg fans )

Pacccoretti + 2nd and Galchenyk for Ceci and Dumba ( For habs fans )

Marner + 2nd and Matthews for Ceci and Dumba ( For Leafs fans )

There is no way in H. E. Double hockey sticks any of these teams trade their top 6 forwards for bottom 6 / depth defense.

So let's just stop being silly here and move onto something that has even a slight semblance of reality to it!

27 Mar 2017 17:50:19
I've honestly gotten so used to it by now it doesn't surprise me that he is comparing RNH to Toews and Eberle to Kane.

27 Mar 2017 17:52:41
Dumba would easily be a top 3 defenceman on blueline you imbecile not to mention RNH has struggled this year and is very injury prone.
Dumba > RNH.

27 Mar 2017 18:13:17
McRazzle.
Incorrect. No comparison between Edmonton's top 6 forwards RNH and Eberle and Chicago's top 6 forwards Kane and Toews was made.

Kane and Toews >> Eberle and RNH for the record.

Comparison made to help Kaner88 put into perspective that top 6 forwards don't get traded for bottom 6/ 7 dmen.

27 Mar 2017 18:23:58
i love how no one can talk about RNH without having karlsson in the trade, but then ft4a can then try to compare marner and Matthews trade value to RNH and Eberle lol rediculous. Mcdavid is the only player on the oilers to compare in value to Matthews. Not saying Matthews is worth mcdavid, but chirelli would give up anyone else on that roster for him in a heart beat.

27 Mar 2017 20:03:40
Did you say RNH = Monahan and Johnny = Eberle? Lol.

27 Mar 2017 20:06:49
No Charles I'm sorry your talent assessment is incorrect.

Dumba would NOT take Sekera's, Russell's, Nurse's or even Bennings position on the current Edmonton roster.
Dumba would be the #7 dman on the current Oilers roster maybe even #8 behind Gryba who is the same calibre and type of player at 1/ 4 the cost.

RNH has played all the games this year, and has done exactly what McLelland has told him to do, which is play against the other teams top lines and neutralize them and let McD's line score. His unselfish buy into the coaches sytem is a very important part of the improvement in the standings by the Oilers this year.
Your assessment is obviously nothing but speculation based on past season's injuries, and not knowing much about RNH's role as defined by the coach.
Because of this. Mooooo = Charles's opinion on RNH.

Dumba's game is similar but probably a slight step down from Darnell at 3x the salary. Gryba plays hard mins just like Dumba with the same results at a fraction of the cost. Sorry no way he's a #3 on the current roster. You must be thinking of the 3 years ago Oilers.

Unbiased Jim.
RNH and Karlson's names only comes up when some dummy posts the Ceci for RNH unicorn land home of the easter bunny and tooth fairy type trade.

Edmonton MIGHT give up RNH for a #1 / #2 Dman (not named Dion Phaneuf. ) Since Karlson's the only player on Ottawa that fits the bill of a #1 / 2. That's why the names get linked. Trust me I'm more tired of countering Karlson's name when #6/ 7 Dman Ceci's name is offerd up for top 6 forward RNH than you are of seeing Karlson's name associated with RNH.


And. point 2.
Totally missing the point here bud.
Point is not to compare teams top 6 forwards to each other. . It was Would you trade YOUR top 6 forwards for a Dman that won't make the starting lineup?
YES or NO?

PC wouldn't give up Draisetl for Matthews, and Talbot might be a lock as well. The other players on the roster. yes he'd probably trade for Matthews.

27 Mar 2017 20:06:55
I'm sorry, but did you just say you did not compare RNH and Eberle to Toews and Kane. So these weren't your words above?

"What you're suggesting is along the same lines of:

Johnathan Toews for Roman Polak

Patrick Kane for Philip Larson"

27 Mar 2017 20:46:57
Dumb would probabky be number three on the Oilers dude. Sekera isn't special, same with Nurse ( he can grow tho), same with Benning, and Gryba is trash.

27 Mar 2017 21:07:22
I don't think Oilers would do either of those trades either… and not just because the expansion draft. Also Dumba wouldn't be an 8 D but he also wouldn't be 3.

27 Mar 2017 22:06:02
Xcing
I didn't say that, but since you brought it up.

Yes RNH > Little J.

and
Monahan > Eberle


McRazzle
McRazzle is Mc-frazzled. lol

I can't explain it much clearer than this.

Kane and Toews = top 6 forwards on Chicago (no reference or comparison to any other player mentioned. )

Phillip Larson and Polak = bottom 6 D.
Would Chicago do this deal?

Same difference in Edm.
Eberle and RNH = top 6 forwards on the Oilers
Ceci and Dumba = Bottom 6 D

Does Edm do this deal?

I think the answer is no no no for each.


Ebs
My take on watching Dumba play is that he and Darnell Nurse are similar in style of play except Dumba has a better shot, Nurse skates a little better. Both are mean and tough to play against. Dumba has a little more experience, but Nurse costs less. I'd consider them pretty equal. Maybe a slight edge to Nurse for his reach adv.
Nurse is the #5 guy on the team right now.
Benning, Gryba and Dumba would be battling for the #6,7,8 spot.
Most likely puck mover Benning would get the nod over another tough defensive Dman.

27 Mar 2017 23:24:04
Hurdemz

Seems you're just making assumptions based on a few years ago without watching an Oilers game this year or even taking the 20 seconds to look up a stat on the hundreds of websites dedicated to this year's NHL teams.

FYI.

Minny Defence NHL rank 7th 2.51 GAA
Edmonton Defence NHL rank 8th 2.53 GAA
Ottawa Defence NHL rank 10th 2.55 GAA


Another reason the Oilers have moved up in the standings.
Massively improved D in 2017 from the disaster over the past few years.

27 Mar 2017 23:34:08
Lol since when is RNH > Gaudreau. I could name 30 gms that would disagree. It's like saying Kestler > Benn.

28 Mar 2017 01:02:33
Last i checked ebs was down to 3rd and 4th line duties but things could have changed in the last few months.

28 Mar 2017 05:27:37
Personally don't think Russel should be playing ahead of anyone but yeah that's fair Nurse is Oils 5. Dumba being a righty might get him on the second pair instead of Russel though. Surprised people think he has more value than RNH though.

28 Mar 2017 11:28:50
Just to throw it out there.
RNH has 260 points in 6 NHL seasons
Johnny Hockey had 200 in 3 nhl seasons

RNH top point in NHL 56
Johnny lowest points in NHL 58 (this year with 6 games to go)

Based on these numbers Johnny is greater than RNH.

28 Mar 2017 12:32:29
There's no point in arguing with him guys, he is pretty much this website's version of Trump. He is always right, and everyone else is always wrong.

28 Mar 2017 15:49:52
Quake
I agree. Little J's offence is better than RNH's. Partially due to the fact that little J is 1st unit PP and gets a lot of easy assists when he really does nothing more than dish the puck for someone else to score, and that his role assigned by the coach is to score.

BUT.
There is more to player evaluation than just points.
RNH overall is better because:

1. RNH is a team player and accepts a checking role that the coach
assigns him so the TEAM can win games.
2. RNH has not had to be disciplined for going out boozing her up
all night and getting to practice / game late.
3. RNH is a center.
4. RNH is vastly superior in his defensive game.
5. RNH is trusted by the coaching staff and plays all situations.
PP, PK, 5 on 5, 4 on 4, 3 on 3.
6. RNH has way more heart. He will go into a corner against big
Dmen to get the puck and take a hit, while little J. is a
chicken and is no where within a 10 foot perimeter of that
situation waiting for someone else to take a hit to get the
puck. cluck cluck cluck.
7. RNH has a better shot.
8. RNH costs less.
9. RNH ** ( Important one**) has an almost Datzyk like ability to
strip the puck away on the back check. turning a dangerous
offensive situation into an opportunity other way. Yes all
Little J fans. a word Little J does not have in his
vocabulary. BACK CHECK. Goal suck. yes. BACKCHECK. no.
10. RNH is pitted against other team's top lines and his primary
role is to shut down the top lines rather than #1 priority of
scoring ( McD and Leon do that now)
11. World hockey championships RNH showed he and little J have the
same offensive talent, but was vastly superior to little J in
situations without the puck.
12. RNH has grit and has dropped the gloves on more than 1
occasion to give his team a boost. Little J. 0 times
dropping the gloves in his career.

Sorry guys. Overall. Nod goes to RNH.

28 Mar 2017 16:45:29
Ok think of it this way. Johnny is a first line player, RNH is not. Any team would take a first line player over a 2nd/ 3rd line player. You can have all the "heart" and "defence" you want but first line players are paid to score goals and put pucks in the net. You say RNH has the same offensive ability? Maybe so but then how come he doesn't use it? Also I wouldn't consider Ovechkin, Laine, Kane very good defensive or energy players but they are not meant to be. Are you telling me that RNH is better than any of those guys? Because given the option I would take Ovi, Laine, or Kane over RNH but hey if you want a guy that can barely put up 50 points on your first line go for it and see how far that gets you. Your description of RNH reminds me of Backlund and trust me there is no one on this earth that would take Backlund over Johnny (But you might if Backlund wore orange and blue)

29 Mar 2017 02:35:21
Johnny hockey "gets a lot of easy assists by doing nothing except dishing the puck to others who score" wtf?! Lol that's why it's called an assist and that's his job as a first line creative player. You know who else got a lot of points by 'doing nothing but giving the puck to teammates'. Wayne Gretzky. Get real.

29 Mar 2017 06:55:29
I like this because clearly Joe Thornton isn't that great either because all he does is dish the puck to other players who score. Is it weird that RNH only has one season when he scored more than 20 goals in 6 years when Johnny has 2 in 3 years?

Johnny's goals are 35.5% of his points while RNH goals are 35.7. This would really seem that RNH dishes the puck the EXACT same amount as Johnny.

You're right that Johnny hasn't gotten into fights mainly because Calgary's teammates actually stand up for each other. Johnny does actually play defense (if you ever watched a game) . To claim RNH has a better shot is your opinion without you providing the shots on net to goals scored statistics (i'd love to see them with the site address you got the info from), RNH costs less because he was over paid to begin with, I have also seen Johnny strip puck and make plays going the other way. I know you love the Oilers and i'm not saying RNH is a poor player. But I would very much argue that more NHL GMs would prefer Johnny over RNH.

26 Mar 2017 03:25:53
New Jersey: Kyle Palmieri
Ottawa: Ceci, 2017 2nd

 
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