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25 Aug 2014 16:48:08
WIN: Lehner and 3
Value would probably be closer if a solid prospect like Ceci or Zibanijad were added
I guess I did not realize that Kane could be had for a GK prospect and a 3rd, in that case: Dustin Tokarski, Joonas Nattinen & 2nd to WPG for Evander Kane
26 Aug 2014 00:15:23
^^yes please (._.)
Lehner is NOT a prospect at this point habsonthemove, and he is NOT comparable to Tokarski. Ceci and Zeebad aren't going anywhere. We just signed both tendies so this trade makes no sense.
Nova x 65
24 Aug 2014 05:32:13
To Nashville: Oduya
To Chicago: Mattias Eholm 2015 4th
Clears cap for Chicago
Gets a top 4 d-man for Nashville
To Ottawa: 2015 4th (Nashville) 2015 4th (Chicago)
To Chicago: 2015 3rd (Ottawa)
The relationship with Nashville rises up.
To Nashville: Marian Hossa,Peter Regin
To Chicago: Craig Smith,2015 2nd,2016 3rd.
Might not be equal value. But Hossa is getting old, and salary is high. And his value got lower because of his poor performance in the playoffs. Craig Smith can play LW/RW. Maybe.
Not even close to enough for Hossa
Hossa is one of the best defensive forwards in the league. One not so great playoffs is no reason to dump him for garbage. For his production he has a very reasonable cap hit too. If you don't think he's that valuable then why does he play RW over Patrick Kane? Also he's likely to play longer for a contender which the Hawks want because if he retires early they pay a recapture penalty. Not worth moving him.
Hossa had 60 points last season, Smith had 52 and at just 24 has a lot of potential whereas Hossa is on his way out the door. If I were Nashville I would decline though the value is fair
24 Aug 2014 18:44:34
gotta agree with tredecentre here. guys on willing teams seem to get overvalued a bit here. hossa is a quality player,dont get me wrong, but he's not elite and is nearing the end of a very nice career.
23 Aug 2014 23:48:13
To Edmonton: Joe Thornton, 4th
To San Jose: Righs to Justin Schultz and Anton Belov, Matt Hendricks, 4th
To Washington: Colin Wilson
to Nashville: Troy Brouwer
To Vancouver: Evander Kane, 3rd
To Winnipeg: Kevin Bieksa, Eddie Lack, Nick Bonino
To Ottawa: 2nd, 4th
To Toronto: Marc Methot
To New York Rangers: Chris Stewart, Tyler Ennis, Matt Hackett
To Buffalo: Carl Hagelin, 3rd
To Toronto: Frans Nielsen
To New York Islanders: Cody Franson, Carter Ashton, 3rd
Methot is worth more than a 2nd and a 4th when he gets resigned. Terrible value, and he won't be going to a division rival. No clue what you were thinking there.
Nova x 65
We don't have rights to Belov. he's contract expired and he signed in the KHL.
I think toronto overpays slightly on both deals and this probably puts toronto over the cap.no way buffalo makes that deal.
Change Lack to Markstrom
1. The fourths would just cancel out
2. Decent value but I don't see nashville doing it with Wilson's upside
3. Not enough for Kane, Winnipeg is looking for prospects and picks not an aging blue liner, a 2nd/3rd liner and another back up. They need to prep for the future
4. Fair value but I doubt Ottawa trades to a division rival especially Toronto
5. Way too much for Hagelin, Ennis one of Murray's building blocks for the future
6. Too much for Neilsen, just Franson will do
Jumbo Joe for a bottom pairing dman and a 4th liner is brutal. Absolutely brutal.
24 Aug 2014 18:05:40
Way to much for Kane. Right now he's only a potential player
Nielsen has more value than franson.nielsen is not a terrible defender like franson and Nielsen puts up points+franson is soon a ufa IMO
Sure Nielsen may have a little more value but for each team it's even seeing as though Toronto needs more depth at centre and the isles need to upgrade their defense
So you're saying Nielsen is more valuable, but it's fair value because it fills positional needs.cmon man
23 Aug 2014 06:12:42
OTT: Ryan, Karlsson, Turris, Lehner
NSH: Wilson, 2nd 2015, 7th 2015
I tried this trade in NHL 14, and it worked! The trick is to lower Ryan's overall to 55, Karlsson's over to 60 & potential to 1 star, lower Turris to 60 overall & 1 star & make Lehner a 36 overall with 2 star potential.
The 7th from Nashville is just to sweeten the deal.
Leafs trade Reimer for everyone involved in this trade.
Good trade, don't see any flaws
I like how chirp criticizes leaf fans for making fun of the oilers and their fans because the leafs are apparently just as bad as them yet he goes right ahead and does the exact same thing lol
Haha chirp is something isn't he.if one person has a problem with ya no big deal,if everyone has a problem with ya, maybe you're the problem bud
23 Aug 2014 17:45:19
is chirp replacing monstrealfinest as the board whipping boy? hahah
Got enough tissues, fellas? I'm sure you're all rolling in them so you can help each other out.
Lmao poor chirp, everybody is so mean to you for no reason
Do you have any left over from whining about Jeff Petry all of the time? I'm a little bit short at the moment
Hey now take it easy on the oiler fans. They can't help that they like what has arguably been the worst team in the league for almost a decade. that's why Chirp and Oilersblue sound so pissed off all the time I think. Anyone would be though if they had that much disappointment to mull over year after year.
23 Aug 2014 00:26:08
More leaf trades for people (who don't watch the leafs) to crap on haha
Leafs:round 2 pick 2016,Aki berg/korbinian holzer
Methot will be Ufa.maybe cash strapped Ottawa has too do this too sign ryan
Leafs:Cody franson,round 3 pick 2016
Fills positional needs for both teams IMO
Sabres:Christian isackson(he's ranked as sabres 10th best RW prospect)
Leafs:David clarkson,Peter holland
Is Hollands value(2nd rd pickish) enough for sabres to take clarkson.
Sign Sheldon brookbank 1year1millionish
Leafs lineup(booth I know but I like that 3rd line together.
Jvr bozak kessel
Booth kadri lupul
Komarov helm frattin
Bodie santorelli winnik
Aki berg haha as a leaf fan I wouldn't complain about this good post
We will not execute a trade with a division rival--our biggest rival. Methot will most likely be resigned, if not, he will almost certainly head to the Western Conference.
Nova x 65
You're giving up a good prospect or draft pick just to make clarksons value nothing. May as well hold on to him and see what he does next year
Hollands value is not 2nd round pick-ish. More like a 4th. Maybe a mid-late 3rd if a team is desperate for centers. You don't give a 2nd for an AHLer whos will at best be a 3rd line NHLer in his prime.
23 Aug 2014 13:17:42
You clearly didn't watch him play or else you would know he's only 23 years old and has plenty of room to grow. He has good puck skills and vision and he's a tall centre. He put up all his points this year playing under 7 minutes a night and was poorly utilized by a veteran preferred coach in Carlyle. So to say he's worth a 4th is absolutely ludicrous.
Marc Methot for a mid round 2016 2nd, just does not seem to be enough for a top 4 d-man (although that is similar to what MTL received when they traded Gorges to BUF).
IMO DET would have to add the pick. Cody Franson led all TML d-men in points & hits (#2 in the NHL), and was 3rd in blocked shots & minutes played.
I am certainly not a GM, but David Clarkson & Peter Holland for nothing really appeals to me. I do not follow the leafs that closely, but I read the reason Clarkson got the big bucks was the leafs envisioned him on the top line offering grit and NJD leadership. He had a very bad season last year, I do not know the reasons, but as a gritty RW protecting Reinhart and Moulson, I could see a 6 year career for him in BUF.
I am definitely looking for feedback on this if Toronto fans think it is TOO biased to BUF.
TML trades Cody Franson, David Clarkson, Peter Holland & 2016 3rd to BUF for Marcus Foligno & Mike Weber.
The trade above was essentially giving away Clarkson and Holland. Foligno (23 yo, 206 hits, 6 fights, 50 pts 135 gms) & Helm (27 yo, 73 hits, 0 fights, 103 pts 291 gms) are reasonably even statistically with Foligno offering more grit and Helm more defense. Weber (208 hits, 5 fights) cannot take the place of Franson but may make the trade even. Foligno and Weber would somewhat replace the grit lost when trading Clarkson and Franson. If I were the BUF GM I would make this trade then trade both Stewart & Stafford for picks and prospects and sign Dustin Penner to fill in until the kids are ready. I think the trade favors BUF a lot but if the goal is to get rid of Clarkson maybe this would work.
@sbr2017 maybe you're right about value on franson/helm deal,personally I think helm is awesome and Detroit would want a lot for him
@hockeygodsgift thanks for the brookbank idea
@puckoverglass you are offside,the leafs traded a conditional pick 2/3(becomes a 2nd round if holland plays 25 games which he did) and a 7th rounder and Jesse blacker for Peter holland and brad staubitz last year. Holland played we'll in limited ice time for the leafs
@drownedfish clarkson and holland are good but clarksons contract is brutal and If this is enough for sabres to take him off out hands I would make this deal
These deals would give toronto roughly 3.645 million cap room after Orr is traded/sent to minors
@ nova65/Bryan Murray teams do trade with their division rivals.i think 9 times out of 10 they take the best offer they get.
To all comments above, great dialogue and exchange of ideas, a lot better discussing the trades than making fun of the person making the trade.
Franson hits but I wouldn't call him a gritty player by any means. I like foligno I think he's a little better than clarkson and doesn't have his contract however you're suggestion makes the leafs worse at center, defence the two positions they could use help or an upgrade it.
@sbr2017 why would the leafs make this deal you proposed. My suggestion might make the leafs better an you're suggestion makes the leafs worse.don't take over/high jack peoples posts you should make you're own.
Drgonzo I am really sorry about high jacking your post. I thought I was suggesting a proposal that was similar but with different players. Not a big difference between Helm and Foligno and Weber is a depth d-man. I assure you I will never high jack any of your posts again. Good luck and thanks for the positive feed back.
I should have said this at the top I guess.the leafs need help at center and defence if they want any chance at the cup this year IMO and this is one way I think they could get it.
So the leafs would make you're trade why? I understand why you're team would make a deal like that but I'm curious about why you thought you're trade could work for toronto. No apology needed
What a joke.way to avoid the question of why the wordhere does toronto do this.it is laughable that so many people agree with you and not one person is justifying you're rediculous suggestion in words. #recount
If so many people agree with sbr could just one of you explain it to me please.i have never seen anyone get so many agrees without any words to back them up.
Hey great feedback, I really appreciate it.
This was your post:
Leafs:Cody Franson,round 3 pick 2016
I changed Helm to Foligno & added Weber. Helm & Foligno can play center and each have almost identical FO% (49.1% of 548 FO; & 48.5% of 301 FO respectively), similar scoring (.354 pts/gm; .370 pts/gm respectively) , Helm offers more D, Foligno offers grit & I included Weber as a dept D-man which you did not have coming back in your trade.
This was your post:
Sabres: Christian Isackson (he's ranked as Sabres 10th best RW prospect)
Leafs: David Clarkson, Peter Holland
I took out Isackson but I can put him back so my suggested trade now looks like this:
Marcus Foligno, Christian Isackson & Weber for David Clarkson, Peter Holland, Cody Franson & round 3 pick 2016
Actually, if you look closely at my post, I twice said I thought the trade favored the SBR and I was looking for feedback. Also, if you noticed the proposed trade received 18 believable and only 3 unbelievable, now maybe the believable was meant to refer and agreeing that the trade favored BUF TOO much.
Great discussion that is what this is suppose to be about.
If Murray was willing to make this trade he would be my friend forever:
Marcus Foligno, Christian Isackson & Weber for David Clarkson, Peter Holland, Cody Franson & round 3 pick 2016. The trade lowers the team cap by $5,000,000 and Foligno had the better season than Clarkson, he can play center as well as LW. Essentially BUF is trading Foligno and Weber for Franson & 3rd.
Foligno can play center so can I doesn't mean I'm a fit or any good at it man.i still think you're suggestion makes the leafs worse at center and defence.i thought sbr and goleafsgo were the same person under two names, maybe I read something wrong yw for the feedback
How many times are you voting sbr.
My trade gives the leafs cap room too and it makes the leafs better.i agree sbr you're trade does Favor the sabres.no chance it happens IMO but clearly the people agree(with clicks anyway)oh and goleafsgo agrees with you again lol great discussion. Thanks for all the feedback. Lol
22 Aug 2014 03:06:30
Here's a way for Boston to get under the cap and sign Krug and Smith.
To Ottawa: Macquaid, Warsofsky
To Boston : 3rd round draft pick ( Becomes second if they reach playoffs)
To Calgary: Kelly
To Boston: 5th round draft pick
Boston resign krug and smith to 4 year $10 million
To Edmonton : Campbell
To Boston: 5th round pick (becomes 4th of Edmonton makes playoffs)
Marchand- Bergeron- Smith
Lucic- Krecji- Eriksson
Paille- Soderberg- Fraser
Pasternak- Koko- Spooner
Ottawa doesn't need more blue liners
22 Aug 2014 08:40:37
They both won't sign for 2.5 per at such a long term (4yrs). Hell even Engelland got 3M per
Engelland was a ufa when he signed.rfa's get less draisaitl94.
22 Aug 2014 14:48:33
^I know, I was exaggerating on purpose.
Message was: They are both worth more, will want more and most likely get more than 2.5 per
Krug maybe, I don't think smith has done enough to get long term deal at more than 2.5 but we'll see
@draisaitl why don't you weigh in on any of the hockey talk posts?(hockey talk icon near the top right of page)
22 Aug 2014 02:49:15
Obviously a long shot but tell me what you guys think (especially OTT and PHI fans)
Given that Bobby Ryan won't resign, here's my take on what OTT should do.
PHI: Claude Giroux
OTT: Bobby Ryan, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd (becomes a 1st if Ryan resigns with Philly) Eric Gryba, DAL's 2015 2nd round pick
Simmonds - Voracek - Ryan
B. Schenn - Couturier - Read
Umberger - Lecavalier - Raffl
Rinaldo - Hall - Akeson
MacDonald - Streit
Coburn - Schenn
Del Zotto - Grossmann
OTT line up
Michalek - Giroux - Lazar
MacArthur - Turris - Chiasson
Stone - Zibanejad - Legwand
Greening - Smith - Neil
Karlsson - Methot
Cowen - Wiercioch
Phillips - Ceci/borocop
Beyond a long shot.
I know Giroux is great but it seems like a lot. Ryan is pretty good too! Ryan resigning would be key to the deal. B. Schenn will be a center if one is moved. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen Voracek play center. I think Schenn could be #1 center and move Simmonds to the 2nd line. Read plays both wings
22 Aug 2014 08:42:57
1. Flyers would never ever trade Giroux.
But besides from that:
2. Wheres the logic, that the 2nd that OTT gives to PHI turns into a 1st if Ryan resigns in PHI?
Normally a pick gets downgraded if a player resigns, or upgraded if he doesn't resign
Even though Giroux is obviously an improvement at Centre, Turris is our number 1 man. His chemistry with MacArthur and Ryan was great last year. We don't need another Centre, we need a top 6 winger, so why would we give that up by trading Ryan? We still have a full season to sign him, and if we can't, a deadline move can be easily arranged.
Nova x 65
#1 Giroux is a flyer for life
#2 Jakub Vorack plays right wing
#3 b.Schenn plays center
#4 if flyers get gryba where is he
#5 Adam Hall is in Europe
#6 Coburn and schenn are 2 big defensemen that would never play together
#7 Rinaldo plays right wing
#8 Akeson plays left wing
#9 The flyers get seriously ripped off if ryan doesn't resign
#10 Does Ottawa/Philly have the long term cap flexibility
Get a name ghost man
U got Gryba to scartch him lol
Just to the people that were saying the flyers won't ever trade Giroux, they tried to send him to Vancouver for Ryan Kesler at the trade deadline this year.
24 Aug 2014 16:59:41
^Thats literally the silliest thing I've ever heard.
He's their captain and main man and they won't trade him.
Apart from that: That sounds like Philly offered a package of Giroux + for Kesler, which is probably the most absurd thing I've ever read.
Kesler is good, no question, but Giroux is in a whole other dimension.
24 Aug 2014 18:14:27
This is just a rumor.^ claude giroux is a top 5-10 in this league.
21 Aug 2014 18:04:38
With the St.Louis Blues signing Paul Stastny, they now have 7 Centers on 1 way contracts battling for the top 4 spots down the middle, With Backes, Stastny and Ott most likely obtaining the top 3, and Lindstrom, Lapierre or Lehtera grabbing the 4th line position, I think this makes Patrick Berglund expendable and up for grabs. Now, if the Blues were ever to trade Berglund, I personnally think it would be for another Top 4 Defensemen, preferably an Offensive D. The name that comes up to mind is Cody Franson of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
2015 3rd Round Pick
More like Cody franson,2016 2nd round pick,josh leivo too st.louis IMO.Not enough from toronto otherwise good post
I posted a Berglund for Franson trade back in the spring. I liked the idea of that swap. I think St.Louis declines, but it's the start of a good idea.
Personally I think St.Louis could add an offensive d-man(maybe not with the same production, but he wouldn't be a slouch either) without giving up Berglund. Not to mention that Franson is a UFA at years end. So there is that to consider.
I think, Edmonton might need him more. :P
Could actually work but mueller should be in the lineup
Good solid trade although the leafs might have to add a little bit more with Franson being a UFA
Berglund no longer became expendable when Sobotka took off to the KHL. Besides, the Blues were looking for more than this package you're offering up just for Berglund alone. No reason to think they'd accept so little now. Blues say no.
That st louis lineup is very good they will clearly be contenders this year
I think if STL gets Franson they r going to have Leopold and Cole in the minors or scratched. So once they get Franson they can flip him to another team for a prospect and pick
Why is berglund not expendable? Steve ott can play #3 center.
I think Steve ott would be a better fit behind stastny and backes
So many idiots^, how is this believeable? Not enough from toronto.good post (base) but anyone that clicked on believeable needs to go sit in the corner and think.quiet time.drgonzo is close but still not enough IMO
Ott can play 3/4C, Berglund can play 2/3/4C. Ott is older, Berglund has a greater skill set. In my mind, between the two, it's Ott who is expendable if the Blues care about possession numbers at all (which I'd imagine they do). Berglund is no Sobotka, but he's certainly above Ott.
I just looked up the word expendable, haha drgonzo is going to rip you a new one twirp. Berglund is better than ott and Berglund does have better position numbers.however St. Louis doesn't need him.
LOL! You basically just said that I'm right and that gonzo is going to rip me a new one? got to love this mutual love you and gonzo share in going after me for no reason. You're certainly "enlightened." Good lord, you need a hobby.
1 go look up the word expendable
2 there Is a reason people go after you,you're a douche who makes statements without thinking or knowing what he's talking about.how many people have called you out on this in past week
3 @enlightened needs a new hobby because he googled the word expendable and learned what it means before using it is what you're saying.
4 wake up chirp. You don't contribute anything,clear to me that you come on here to crap on other peoples ideas. And you think I'm useless and enlightened needs a hobby ok bud
Sorry, champ. Your incredible hockey skillz have brought me to my senses. I won't post here anymore. Instead, I'll go post on a leafs forum and forever delude myself and tra-la-la through meadows while offering up Reimer and Clarkson for Toews like all real things would be.
And there I'll have a user name like "DrGonzo" and expect to be taken seriously.
Gimme a break.
Lmao chirp. Good comment.i think even if my trades were that unrealistic and bad you would have an example or two.looks like some bs about tra la la through meadows too me.i pity the fool
1 I said you were wrong.duh
2 rip you a new one = show you why you're wrong and how you're wrong
3 I don't love going after you, we have opinions+sometimes I disagree+you run you're mouth like a keyboard warrior=I enjoy showing you that you are wrong and the irrelevant replies from you are amusing
4 no reason.how can you be so thick.wow.its not just two people going after you chirp,the whole world is in on it.flr no reason
5 give me an example of why you are more enlightened than me and I'll change my name
20 Aug 2014 02:51:58
Senators trade Ryan & Borowiecki
Stars trade Eakin & Faska & conditional 2016 2nd round pick if Ryan Resigns
Senators need C depth and get 2 young two-way C. Stars get a guy who rounds out the top 6 nicely.
Not a stars fan just a thought
So basically the stars get the sens first line from last year
We already have enough depth down the middle. This trade makes no sense.
Nova x 65
19 Aug 2014 22:41:05
To Nashville: John Moore, 3rd
To NY Rangers: Colin Wilson
To Edmonton: The Rights To Brandon Sutter, 2nd
To Pittsburgh: Nail Yakupov
To Carolina: 1st
To Pittsburgh: Jiri Tlusty, 6th
To Ottawa: Sergei Gonchar, Cody Eakin, 2nd
To Dallas: Bobby Ryan
To Boston: Evander Kane
To Winnipeg: Brad Marchand, Johnny Boychuk
I like that Boston trade
20 Aug 2014 12:25:25
Sutter is already signed, so rights to is wrong.
1st is too much for Tlusty
And Kane is worth more, Boychuk is basically useless for WPG since WPG isn't in win now for this season and Boychuk is a FA at years end
Not enough for Yak or Ryan
I like the idea of Yakupov having a change of scenery. Pitt would have to give up something else though.
The Ryan proposal makes me sick. We DON'T need another centre.
Nova x 65
yak for sutter and pouliot?
Ryan for olesiak and a 1st
21 Aug 2014 00:50:50
Boston trade. take away one or the other and throw in a pick. maybe. Ottawa politely declines their trade. They don't need or want Gonchar.
Wouldn't want to give up Poulliet plus he has more value right now because he won chl d-man of the year
19 Aug 2014 21:18:44
Alright hear me out , don't at all know how much a guy like burakovsky would cost but I put together this deal along the same lines as the vanek deal
Vanek got Sebastian collberg and a second rp 14 . Colberg was a early second round pick and proved he was a pretty god hockey player at the world juniors and is around a b-b+ prospect in my eyes .
So how about this?
B ryan for burakovsky ( a prospect )
Ottawa loves swedes and imagine ryan-backstrom-ovechkin as line.
Then Andy to Winnipeg for a second 16 and a third 15
Sens get a great prospect and a couple of picks and with two more key guys gone I think ottawa has legitimate chance at McDavid / eichel
What do you think
Doubt the caps trade Burakovsky and if Reimers only worth a 3rd then there's no way Andy lands that much
Why would the Sens trade a proven 30 goal scorer for someone who has yet to prove himself? Terrible idea. Hop off your GM Mode on NHL 14.
Nova x 65
20 Aug 2014 23:25:03
Yeah but let's not forget that Garth Snow made that deal.
19 Aug 2014 07:11:23
Don't know why. But think it would be great if Craig Anderson in a Ducks jersey.
To Ottawa: Frederick Anderson, 2015 3rd,2016 3rd
To Anaheim: Craig Anderson
Craig Anderson is a good goalie that you can put trust on to backup the team. Honestly, might be the only one but never seen potential in Hiller just my opinion. Haven't been watching Duck games in the regular season. Another goalie that doesn't have a lot of potential is Pavelec. Suprised he is still in the NHL actually. If this trade doesn't work, then Anderson to Winnipeg might. But if the Ducks want to get good, they need to get good now. Its the perfect time! They got no roster holes, and Anderson will help big time in the playoffs.
Anderson is awful.
Nova x 65
19 Aug 2014 18:35:45
Ducks already have a great goalie set-up.
19 Aug 2014 03:23:23
To Ottawa: Krejci
To Boston: Ryan, 2nd round pick
Just a trade that I thought of. It addresses the needs of both teams. (Ik it's not likely!) The value just seems fair.
Nah. Bruins need Krejci more than they do Ryan, especially once Reilly Smith gets re-signed.
Instead of Krejci put in Erikson. The value is equal. The 2nd round pick really makes it equal. Might happen on Ottawa's side. But since they accepted the Spezza deal. Might work.
Chirp I agree 100% but I just thought the value was fair so
18 Aug 2014 21:36:16
Ottawa: Craig Anderson, Erik Gryba, Colin Greening, Shane prince and DAL 2nd rd 2015
Edmonton: Jordan Eberle and Viktor Fasth
Ottawa gets a good winger and back up for Lehner, while opening some roster spots for some rookies
Edmonton gets a good goalie, a solid defensive defenseman a big power forward and a young prospect with potential
19 Aug 2014 06:47:54
Oilers decline. A season ago, Oilers wouldve agreed, but noone knows what's up with Anderson.
If he plays like last season, Oilers sure lose that deal.
100$ says mr sports is a sens fan
Fasth and Anderson are pretty much equal these days. Eberle is top-3 for Edm while Gryba and Greening are bottom players. And the Oilers don't need prospects they need players so while Prince will probably be a good player, it doesn't help them right now. Oilers say no.
As good as Jordan Eberle is, there is no way Ottawa is accepting this. And Edmonton has a good roster. Just be a little bit more patient. The prospects are getting better A LOT! But you would make Ottawa horrible. Lehner is good. But not that good to be a number #1 goalie on a playoff contender team!
How are fasth and Anderson pretty much equal these days chirp?you are hilarious
Gonzo, both are 31, Fasth had a 0.915, Anderson had a 0.911 (in more games, but still had a rocky year.) GAA wasn't terribly different either. How is that not similar?
The real deciding factor is contract and last years performance. It favors the Oilers keeping Fasth.
Anderson has proven to be a capable starter, fasth has played 37 games in 3 years. Fasth and Anderson are not pretty much equal THESE DAYS that's is absurd
19 Aug 2014 15:41:45
Alright then what does it take to get eberle in a sens jersey, (don't touch Karlsson, Lazar, Zibby, Lehner and 1st Rd 15)
Hey mrsports6 ottawa needs blueline help a hell of a lot more than eberle.
They finished as the second best defensive group two years ago with the same group of guys, cowen and methot had off years, weircoch needs more playing time
Hey mesports if its not Karlson, Lazar, zibanajed, lehner or a 1st then wtf the trade is very unfair.
James reimer 140 games,career save%.914,11 shutouts
Corey Crawford 211 games,career save%.914,10 shutouts
Pretty much equal too eh bud,actually it looks like reimer has put up better numbers on worse teams.
17 Aug 2014 00:39:25
Okay, did Winnipeg, now for Ottawa.
To Pittsburgh - Bobby Ryan
To Ottawa - Sutter, Pouliot, and 2015 1st
The Penguins are desperate to find someone to play with Malkin now that Neal is gone. Thier window to win will start closing in a couple years and the west is just getting stronger. Ryan has one year left on his contract and would possibly be happy to consider a big money extension to play with superstars rather than explore UFA. Rutherford will have cap issues but he has time to work something out. For Ottawa, they will lose Ryan to UFA so should have a chance to get what the Canucks were after for Kessler.
To Chicago - Phillips, 2015 2nd from Dallas
To Sens - Hjalmarsson
Chicago gets a great Dman for playoff hump with still 2 years on contract, and about 2 million in salary cap relief. Sens get steady Dman with lots of affordable term left. Sens D is set.
To Minnesota - Anderson
To Sens - Neiderreiter and Gustafsson
Wild have bad luck with goalies. They get one to help them compete now and develop Kuemper. Sens gamble on some scoring and get a back up with some potential
Ok, rip in!
IMO they all favor the sens, one is worse then the others but what can u ask for? Everyone has some sort of bias that's why I refrain from posting habs rumors.
17 Aug 2014 07:29:22
Think so too.
Sens get the better end of all deals.
They are not terribly one-sided, but its always a bit much going back to the sens, considering Ryan will be an UFA, Philips is like a million yrs old and Anderson did struggle with both health and play last season.
Way too much for Ryan (UFA 2015)
Sutter is going to be a +40 point man and Pouliot is their future in defense
Pitts/Ott trade is decent. I think that one has legs because Sutter is a good addition and Pouliot looks like a solid prospect, and the 1st will likely be pretty late next year. For the Pens, they'd get a great winger for Malkin or Crosby. Damn, with either player they'd have a runaway hit on their hands. Personal bests would happen easily for Ryan.
The other two trades are pretty damn bad tho.
Oh my word that trade for Ryan is very bad and its not even the worst trade in the deal. Why would the hawks trade Hjalmarson for a guy that a lot of sens think shouldn't even be on their opening night roster and a 2nd?
We don't need a centre and we don't need defensemen. We need a top 6 or a top line winger. Why would we trade what we need away for players we don't need?
Nova x 65
I'm not too sure, I think Ottawa has needs all over the place, although I think you're right about the big hole on the right side. Problem is finding a top 6 scoring winger that someone will part with for Ryan. Maybe see if a package around McArthur could get Marchand out of Boston that could work. I think if the Sens got Sutter in a Ryan deal, they could slot him in behind Turris, drop Legwand to center the 3rd line, and move Zibanejad to RW on the 1st or second line. The defence is in better shape, and the Chicago trade was the most far-fetched IMO, maybe that deal has to be sweetened to include a solid prospect (not Lazar).
It's hard to trade a guy like Spezza, not get a top 6 center in return, and feel that this position is a team strength. Also Charles Xavier, I love your passion but I'd love to hear a bit more narrative to go with your critique about the Ryan trade. The devil is in the details!
No from Pittsburgh, they need to stop trading the few good young assets they have for rental players IMO.no from Chicago value is not even close IMO no from Minnesota because stone cold says so
16 Aug 2014 17:36:41
Buffalo Signs Joni Pitkanen for 2
Buffalo signs Winnik for 1 year
To STL: Brian Flynn 2015 6th
To Buffalo: Magnus Paajarvi
Magnus can have a last chance to make it to the NHL.
He has been pretty terrible with STL and EDM
To Buffalo: Nathan Gerbe
To Carolina: Konopka, 2015 4th,2015 7th
To Ottawa: Drew Stafford 2015 5th,6th
To Buffalo: Milan Michalek
Winniks a leaf
Konopkas a Frge agent
A lot of wasted time on this post, I just wonder if someone actually clicked believable.
News Flash Winnik signed with Toronto
Winnik signed with the Leafs
Where have you been?
Everybody calm down. One comment is enough. I don't need 3 people telling me the same thing. I get it okay. Cosain don't be a jerk/douche. If you think so, just click unbelieveable and move along. There is no need to be a douche like Chirp.
17 Aug 2014 07:32:07
One last time to people saying they just need 1 comment saying the same: Like chirp already said, the page is updated like 2 or 3 times a day. So 99% of cases people didn't knew s.o else already wrote what he/she is about to write
Grebe would be injury pronged in the western conference
I like the paajarvi and michalek tradesn, pretty believable. I just don't think pitkanen would sign with buffalo they're already jacked up with defencemen and don't worry about the winnik thing, everybody makes mistakes.
^aww that's sweet.nathan Gerbe to the khl. Cosain wasn't be a douche IMO.
The SBR 2015 7th was sent to WIN for Jordan Samuels-Thomas; the 2015 6th is used to get Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson and Milan Michalek; Zenon Konopka is suspended for the 1st 20 games, but if SBR wanted Nathan Gerbe he would not have been bought out. I seriously doubt Murray would trade away all of his picks after the 2nd round (the 3rd went to WAS for Neuvirth). But, Joni Pitkanen is possible if Murray wants to keep the kids on the farm and maybe flip him at the dead line.
@goleafsgo pitkanen is hurt, he won't be ready to play let alone trade At the deadline from what I've read
15 Aug 2014 22:19:17
To Dallas: Jeff Petry
To EDM: Cody Eakin
Edmonton signs Joni Pitkanen.
To Ottawa: Jujhar Khaira, Bogdan Yakimov,2015 4th round pick, Jordan Oesterle, 2016 4th.
To EDM: Curtis Lazar
Lazar's our marquee prospect right now, we aren't moving him for a hoard of benders who will never see NHL ice.
Nova x 65
I like how you think that you can get Lazar with that terrible package! And i'm mot just saying that because he's my username
Both of you haven't seen Jujhar Khaira or Bogdan Yakimov.
Petry+ for Eakin.
No to Pitkanen.
That Ottawa trade is HOOOOOORIBLE. I like Lazar too, but 3 good prospects plus picks for him? That's ridiculous!
Yakimov has decent potential but either than that there is no value going back to the sens
Like seriously Ottawa is getting 2 B prospects, 1 C+ Prospect and two early 4th round picks. That can get you some valuable grinders. And Lazar is an A prospect.
It seems like a lot for lazar but he will have a better career then yakimov imo. The rest of the players involved might not have nhl careers. I don't know if values right but Ottawa would regret making this deal imo
Lazar will certainly be better than Yakimov, there is no disputing that. But Khiara has strong potential to be a very good power forward, and Oesterle has good potential as well. Yakimov alone for Lazar would never happen, but the package deal for Lazar is too much, especially throwing in the picks as well.
Ottawa says no.
15 Aug 2014 03:45:09
To Ottawa:Curtis Hamilton
To EDM: 2015 5th
To Edmonton: Matt Green 5th
To L.A: Jeff Petry
Edmonton signs Joni Pitkanen for two years, $2m a year.
Actually makes sense, Curtis Hamilton makes room for Mitch Moroz. And Matt Green on the top 4. Matt Green is a physical shut down defense man and LA has not been using him that much. He was mostly depth. Joni Pitkanen will go top 6.
Seriously love how everybody hits "unbelievable" for no good reason.
Matt Greene says no. Please god no.
Don't take people not agreeing with you so personally. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and if your post has more unbelievables it's probably not a good proposal. No need to cry.
16 Aug 2014 16:33:28
Oilersblue1707, could I have one reason why Ottawa want this fartbag Curtis Hamilton, Ottawa already has like 5 depth players who is NHL ready, waiting in the stands. He's worth just claiming when he gets waived, he's not even worth a 7th.
Also if you followed any team besides yours you would know Pitkanen would go straight to LTIR from heal surgery that he's "not even close" (his words) to recovering from.
No, they just hit unbelievable and give no reason. (Probably hab fans) DA BOSS8, you have not seen Curtis Hamilton play. You trust what the media tells you. And we all know that 70% media lies. I've watched Curtis Hamilton play before he got drafted. And please also fix up your grammar a bit. "has like 5 depth players who IS nhl ready" And I bet you, Curtis is better than 4 or 3 of them.
Personally I think matt Greene fits perfect on that la blue firstname.lastname@example.org would la make that trade? Didn't they just win the cup then sign Greene to an extension prior to him hitting f.a. Or maybe it's signing pitkanen for 2 years. That's just batshit crazy IMO
^how did I get a disagree? really someone out there thinks matt Greene Wants to leave the sunny beaches, and Stanley cups to go back to Edmonton. Fartbag lol who says that.
^ 2 disagrees lol.could either of you tell me why you think Greene wants to go back to Edmonton.i think this is proof that numbers don't tell the whole story
14 Aug 2014 00:19:38
Car: J. Staal
Edm: Petry, Klefbom, 1st
Huge overpayment for Staal, especially if that 1st is a 2015 pick. Deep, strong draft and the Oilers won't be ending up as Presidents Trophy winners so that's a solid prospect they're giving up along with another solid prospect and a dependable middle-pairing dman. Awful trade.
On the 1st trade, a 2016 2nd would probably work. After this season Petry becomes a UFA and probably hits the open market. So steady rental dman, solid D prospect, 2nd. Edmonton gets a good 2C.
Carolina is not going to give staal away. IMO the value is close but Edmonton should not trade their first round pick. With that defence it could end up first overall.
@drgonzo You obviously are not watching hockey. It is middle of the off-season and you are already making predictions. JESUS!
No I'm watching this post which had the oilers moving a couple of their dmen and I'm thinking JESUS this trade makes a sad sack defence so much worse and if the oilers made this trade they would probably finish in last place.they might either way lol.
The value of the staal trade looks dead on too me based on what Pittsburgh got for him but this deal will not happen.edmonton is going to suck again this year make some changes next offseason imo
@Oilersblue, no duh we rnt watching hockey! Its the offseason what r we seeing?!?!Leafs vs Habs opener looololool
13 Aug 2014 20:42:09
OTT: Greening, Gryba, DAL's 2nd
EDM: 6th rd pick
MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Stone - Zibanejad - Lazar
Michalek - Legwand - Chiasson
Hoffman - Smith - Neil
Hjalmarsson - Karlsson
Methot - Wiercioch
Cowen - Phillips/Ceci
Anderson - Lehner
Hjalmarsson is too valuable to the Hawks for that. Has a good contract and is a shot blocking machine. Hawks pass IMO.
13 Aug 2014 18:36:17
Just some trades I have thought of.
This depends on the state of the goaltending of both teams. If San jose wants to get younger, if the Penguins aren't comfortable with Fleury. Low risk, potential high reward for both teams. Both are UFA's after this season. Both are cup champs. Interesting proposal.
OTT: 1st Round Pick, Watson, Wilson
TOR: Jurco, 5th Round Pick
EDM: 3rd Round Pick, Nillsson
Any changes or suggestions?
13 Aug 2014 21:28:00
TOR adds the pick, Jurco > Franson
Franson won't get you that.
To much for Ryan
14 Aug 2014 03:24:21
I like them both from a leafs standpoint
15 Aug 2014 23:20:58
Putting aside the fact both of the Leafs trades are good from a leafs standpoint, good on you for thinking of fair trades for all teams involved. Not necessarily filling everyone's needs, but in terms of value no one gets the shaft. Anyone who says different are just mad that their favourite player was traded.
13 Aug 2014 00:03:19
Just thinking a trade that could be good organisationally for the Sens and Lightning.
Shane Prince, LW, 21 (Ottawa)
Adam Erne, LW, 19 (Tampa)
Prince was an offensive force in his last years of junior but was disgruntled with playing time in Bingo. Erne shows promise as a power forward but hit Drouin from behind so trading him would avoid tension.
13 Aug 2014 06:38:38
Nice try. Erne is worth more than Prince, he was a steal at #33, Tampa won't trade him.
Tampa needs a rugged pf like erne after buying malone and losing toughness this offseason. Ie. Labrie and crombeem. So Tampa declines .
13 Aug 2014 18:02:12
Lmao. Rip offffff. Erne only becomes a 80 overall in nhl 14, nub trade
Bad deal for Tampa, you have overvalued your teams player.
Yeah Erne was a great pick at that spot. I was hoping for him or DeLarose that year but instead we got Gauthier. Tear
12 Aug 2014 21:43:01
To Chicago: B. Ryan, Clarke MacArthur
To Ottawa: Andrew Shaw, Kris Versteeg, Johnny Oduya, Jeremy Morin
Bickell- Nordstrom- Smith
Shaw and Ryan are both 20+ goal scorers. MacArthur and Versteeg are both capable to be second or third line players (most likely third). Also Ottawa Morin who will add depth to their offense (which is what they lack with the trade of Spezza)and Oduya is most likely to be traded and he will improve Ottawas denense.
Ottawa also gets a clears a liitle room for cap to resign key players to their roster.
Ryan is 20+ perennially, Shaw is a risk. The rest from Chi is bottom-6 or cash dumps. Terrible trade for Ottawa
13 Aug 2014 06:41:39
Cool idea, because OTT is the team in this trade having to clear cap room.
Think a second before posting.
Besides that, the salaries are totally equal:
Ryan 5.1 + MacA 3.25 = 8.35M
Shaw 2.0 + Versteeg 2.2 + Oduya 3.375 + Morin 0.8 = 8.375M
Draisaitl continues to be one of the more sane posters on this site and someone that actually thinks things through.
I disagree, just because the salaries are equivalent doesn't mean that this is an equivalent trade. Favors Chicago big time, quality over quantity.
You're right chirp. Hockeygodsgift deserves too be acknowledged as well IMO
13 Aug 2014 21:32:09
@northernavalanche: I never said the trade is equal? Only thing I said was salaries are equal
If Ryan resigns, which I'd doubt given CHIs cap situation, CHI sure wins the trade.
12 Aug 2014 19:03:39
Here we go Ottawa need to accept This since they don't got a center who can play 1 line!so
Ottawa: bobby ryan
Montreal: desharnais and wild 2 rounder
It may seem unfair but its no secret ryan won't resign to Ottawa so they get something in exchange + gatineau fans are going to be happy since is french
12 Aug 2014 20:27:27
how do you know ryan isn't resigning in ottawa? they have about 10 months still to come up with a deal
You won't be seeing Ryan in a habs jersey for that garbage.
Desharnais is not a 1st line center. I would much rather keep ottawas centers as turria zibanejad legwand and smith.
Turris is miles better than dd
So ritchie, nosenen, silferberg for desharnais and a second. yup fair
Turris is already better than Deharnias and Zibanejab and Lazar are going to be better than him as well. And Ryan will go for a little bit less than what Spezza not this garbage
Turris is better than Desharnais
LOL! I see MontrealsWorst is still at it with his ridiculously one-sided and awful trades. Even if Ryan leaves Ottawa, any other team in the league would offer up much better than that.
13 Aug 2014 01:29:09
HOLY SH*T! SHUT UP, JUST SHUT UP!
1. Ryan said he loves playing in Ottawa and is positive on resigning with Ottawa
2. We already have Turris, Legwand, Zibanejad, Lazar, Smith and they're all better than DD.
3. Turris had more points then DD and Legwand had 1 point less than DD. So no, no we don't need a top center
So instead of posting stupid trades like this, go watch 1 hockey game and you'll realize how stupid this post was.
Desharnais will be in the khl in 3 years
So Versteeg and a 2nd should work just fine for Patches then. Or Bailey and a 2nd since the Isles have space right? there's always anger created when you post these lopsided trades. Too much anger and hate. No one posts realistic rumors all the time bud, but try and ask what you would want from the Canadiens if you were the other teams GM/owner. Legitimate possibilities are always more fun to discuss with our brethren.
Well said hockeygodsgift.@daboss bobby ryan will not be the first athlete to say he loves it there, plans to resign and then sign with another team.
Deharnais never has and never will be a first line center.
Montrealfinest IF Ryan had to go don't you think that AT LEAST 10 OTHER TEAMS WOULD HAVE BETTER OFFERS THAN YOU. Oh yeah forgot u don't think.
12 Aug 2014 16:39:14
Ottawa Senators- Bobby Ryan, Shane Prince, 5th to
Chicago Blackhawks- Patrick Sharp
I think this is a good trade, except that Chicago takes a serious flyer on a guy who may not re-sign. So I think Ottawa needs to a send a conditional pick to CHI
Dont think hawks would trade Sharp for an expiring contract, I think they would probably want cheaper and younger players to clear cap space
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