15 May 2022 22:20:00
WPG
Scheifele
NJ
1st RD 2nd overall.
Zacha.

1.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 03:56:38
It fills no needs for Winnipeg. I can't see the Jets having much interest.

2.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 04:00:25
Plus I don't think NJ needs to give up assets for another top 6 C.

3.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 04:14:38
This would make the Jets 10 years younger. After missing the playoffs why wouldn’t they do it? No from Jersey.

4.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 13:24:07
As I said Ebs, it fills no needs for the Jets. Winnipeg doesn't need a low end, left shot, winger/ center, looking for a raise. Especially in exchange for a PPG 1C on a great contract.

The first is nice, but isn't enough for Scheifele.

Besides Jersey isn't a Scheifele away from doing anything and the Jets likely concentrate on things they need. Like right shot forwards and defenseman.

5.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 15:05:11
NJ laughs.

6.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 15:27:01
I think NJ would want the player with the high pick as they are still rebuilding and have a team of young high draft picks. Scheifele wouldn't fit in with their plans.

7.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 16:47:05
The first is nice? Lol it’s 2nd overall. If the Jets wanted to move on from some of there core while still being competitive now and in a few years this would be a no brainer. And it sounds like moving on from the core would be a good idea. Yeah Sheifele is a bargain but he’s 29 with two seasons left on his contract, he wouldn’t be a fit for a lot of teams including Jersey.

8.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 18:07:37
Lol. Yes Ebs, you and in general most fans, grossly overvalue 1st round picks. Especially in a weak draft.

9.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 21:01:09
@memarcus You and many others grossly overvalue their favorite team's players and prospects. You're usually pretty close on trade valuations that don't involve the Jets but when it comes to the Jets you're incredibly biased.

No doubt some would say the same about me but of course they are wrong. :)

10.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 21:09:07
Marcus, how is this a weak draft? Maybe no McDavid, but a lot of really good prospects.
Jersey would be wise to keep the pick. , as good as Scheifele is, he's at his peak, and will slowly ( not quite yet) start to slow down. he's needed more for a team that is in contention now. Maybe a team like Boston would be a good fit? They will need a number 1C maybe even as soon as next season.

11.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 21:41:43
I know you're just messing around Mox, but you can't seriously believe any team would give up their 1C that is similar to Scheifele for a single first round pick and a meh bottom 6 player looking for a raise.

Take out the names and replace them with generic positions and their value. If you think that is the value of a player that produces at a PPG pace playing the hardest position in hockey to fill. Then I don't know what to say.

You can't seriously believe that is a fair offer?

Would you move your 1C for that? Well then why would Winnipeg?

12.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 21:53:44
Sosa, I guess weak draft is the wrong word. From what I've been reading and hearing lately, Wright isn't as clear cut a 1OA choice now as he was at the beginning of the season. He's fallen back a bit, while others have raised their stock. I'm hearing that any of 5 or 6 guys could possibly go number one, based on what Montreal inevitably wants. But talent wise they are close. So it isn't a slam dunk choice.

I agree though, as I said earlier, it doesn't make sense for Jersey either. They aren't a Scheifele away from making the playoffs or doing anything, so it isn't a smart move for them.

People always target the wrong teams with trades like this. Scheifele wouldn't waive to go to Jersey IMO and is far more likely to be moved to a contender.

As you are saying, a Boston, an Islanders, maybe Carolina. Someone that needs more offense to push them over the top.

13.) 16 May 2022
16 May 2022 22:23:16
Who do you think a comparable to Scheifele would be? I think Washington would 100% take that package for Kuznetsov.

14.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 02:38:11
@Ebsolutely a good comparable would probably be Gaudreau. Their production is similar just put Gaudreau on a team friendly contract for the next 2-3 years.
He gets an Eichel type package if traded - a low first and maybe a weak pick, a very solid prospect and a respectable vet to match salaries.

15.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 03:20:28
Kuznetsov isn't a good comparable as he has a worse contract and less production. So, maybe Washington would take the deal to get or from under that contract.

Gaudreau is closer other than being a left winger which is easier to find than a 1C. Scheifele's production is also more consistent even though he plays the more difficult position. But that at least is closer.

16.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 05:41:54
I think Calgary would take that package if there core was aging and they just missed playoffs. Calgary fans chime in? Hockey dad I’d take the 2nd overall over a solid prospect and a late first.

17.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 06:42:05
I wouldn't take that package for Lindholm and I wouldn't take Scheifele for him either. I wouldn't want Scheifele and his attitude at all.

A couple years from now when Lindholm is 29 and making more than $4.85 mil he makes now I probably would take that package for him if the Flames needed to retool/ rebuild. But I still wouldn't want Scheifele.

Zacha also happens to be a guy I value quite highly. He isn't a bottom 6 left winger as marcus suggested. He's a versatile center/ winger who can play all 3 forward positions in the top 6 with the skill players or in the bottom 6 with the grinders. He's big fast and skilled. IMO he's another Sam Bennett, a player who's being misused, who just needs a change of scenery to reach his full potential. He's a guy I'd really like to see on the Flames.

18.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 19:05:22
They brought up Gaudreau as a comparison not Lindholm? Miller > Scheifele and I think there was some big packages for him involving a young roster player, late 1st and solid prospect. This offer would be a young roster player and the 2nd OA. If moving a first for Scheifele was the right move for Jersey I think Zacha and like the 10 OA would be a good move for both teams.

19.) 17 May 2022
17 May 2022 19:46:46
Lol Ebs. A career year by Miller that he'll never see again doesn't suddenly make him better than Schiefele. There's no debate, Scheifele is the better and more valuable player especially when you factor in contracts.

Get back to us after Miller puts up a PPG for another 4 or 5 years.

20.) 18 May 2022
17 May 2022 23:21:28
When the Miller rumours were swirling he had a year and a half and he makes a million less. His time in Vancouver has upped his value to more than Scheifele IMO. Regardless there comparable. And I don’t remember your thoughts on the Miller proposals but I think you would’ve laughed at Miller for 2OA and Zacha, maybe I’m wrong?

21.) 18 May 2022
18 May 2022 00:45:25
Yeah for a rental like Miller 2OA + Zacha is steep. Miller doesn't have the same scoring pedigree as Scheifele, so even if he had 2 years of term, Miller isn't at Scheifele's level.

So, if I was Jersey, I probably wouldn't do it as I wouldn't want to buy high on Miller when his history says he's likely not reaching this level of production again.

Miller just isn't as consistently productive as Scheifele, which keeps Scheifele's value higher. You can try to use various rumours to devalue Scheifele to Miller's level, but there's just nothing rational and objective to justify it.

A Miller is far easier to find than a Scheifele.

22.) 18 May 2022
18 May 2022 02:40:45
Miller > Scheifele

Everyone but the Jets fans can see that.

23.) 18 May 2022
18 May 2022 13:13:52
Lol Mox. Let's see some actual facts to back it up.

You don't have any? I didn't think so.

When Miller turns into a consistent PPG 1C, come back and make your point.

Right now, you're just showing you can't see things without a heavy bias.

24.) 19 May 2022
19 May 2022 13:20:50
looks like this board ate my response again. Not going to rewrite the whole thing but basically it boils down to this.

You keep talking about points as if that's all that matters. I hate to burst your bubble but Miller got more points than Scheifele this year.

On top of that:

Miller has a far better attitude
Miller is grittier
Miller has a very good physical game, forechecks hard and goes to the net.
Though not known for his defensive play Miller is better defensively too.
Miller doesn't pout and complain when asked to play wing or on the 2nd line.

25.) 19 May 2022
19 May 2022 13:22:49
Oh yeah and Miller is a TEAM player not a ME ME player like Scheifele.