23 Apr 2023 21:13:13
Hypothetical DeBrincat trades
Ott: DeBrincat
For the 5th overall
Ott : DeBrincat, 2nd in 2024, and a 3rd in 2025
For the 4th overall
Ott : DeBrincat
Nyr : Zibanejad
Ott : DeBrincat, Jarventie
Nyr : Lafreniere, Kakko, 2nd (any year in the next 5 drafts, becomes a 1st if Rangers win the cup in any of those years)
Ott : DeBrincat, Sokolov, 2025 3rd
Buf : Peterka, Savoie, buf 2023 1st
Ott : DeBrincat, 2024 2nd
Col : Byram, Lehkonen
Ott : DeBrincat, Formenton
Lak : Clarke, Byfield, 2023 1st.
1.) 24 Apr 2023
24 Apr 2023 04:54:35
Last two trade proposals must be trolling to get people to respond. (ya got me)
For the record, these are all bad. Why sell low on a guy. c'mon man.
? Homer Trades.
2.) 24 Apr 2023
24 Apr 2023 17:57:00
I’m with the Bee ?.
3.) 24 Apr 2023
24 Apr 2023 20:19:46
I wouldn’t trade after a down year. I think he can mesh well with the guys (same age) and get a groove going. He doesn’t seem too opposed to resigning either so If the AAV is reasonable then why not.
-Think of it this way, you won’t get someone better who can help out immediately in the trade.
4.) 25 Apr 2023
24 Apr 2023 23:37:03
Lol Debrincat was traded coming off of a career year now he’s a RFA with less term control. The sens payed a 7th overall pick in a weak draft for him he’s worth less now due to underplaying and term control so now he’s probably worth around the 14th overall pick.
5.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 02:45:30
So much wrong with a lot of these responses it's crazy. Where to start?
Well first. 2022 being arguably the 2nd deepest draft class, next only to 2023 class, since the 2003 draft, means it's hardly a weak draft class. So let's just nip that garbage in the but now.
Now, secondly, not a chance DeBrincat value has gone down even a hint. If he was a UFA then sure, but he's NOT, he's an RFA. And sure he's coming off a career year, but again, who was he playing with that year? Patrick Kane, arguably the best American born player to lace em up. Binified super star. No way he's going to come in to Ottawa and match that output. Not going to happen. But the fact he came in and proved he can do it without a superstar partner like Kane, and still put near a point a game, at worst keeps him at the same value he was, or betters that value. Anyone with half a brain knows that's a fact!
Thirdly, I'm curious as to how any of these are bad trades? Do you think Ottawa can get more for DeBrincat? Because they definitely would NOT get less, as that would just be dumb of them. A former 40 goal scorer who is capable of what he's done in Ottawa on the 2nd line without a superstar partner is minimum getting what you see here. That's NOT up for debate!
6.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 15:59:14
Wow, that a lot of word salad pal. There's no question anymore of who has half the brain any more.
I would love to know how you Value players.
DeBrincat - 25 yrs old, 5' 7" tall, 165 lbs.
Where do owners make the bulk of their money? I think we can all agree, during a playoff run. I'm sure we can all agree as well that playoff hockey is a totally diffrent animal.
DeBrincat is a good player, but is way to small for playoff hockey.
So lets ask that question again, how do you value players?
No one said he's a bad player, it's just that those trades are horrible for any team trying to pursue the Stanley cup.
7.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 19:21:09
ya but he would help any team get to the playoffs you don't make money from the playoffs if you don't make them.
8.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 21:00:04
Your right for sure. it's just the trades and the logic behind them are so out to lunch. any GM would never do this. even Jim Benning wouldn't do this.
9.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 21:07:41
1 more thing, DeBrincats qualifying offer is is 9 MILLION PER YEAR. who would want that. I can see why Ottawa wouldn't want him lol.
? Homer Trades!
P. s. don't try and defend thus proposal. it's just bad.
10.) 25 Apr 2023
25 Apr 2023 21:38:14
Not good enough for playoff hockey? Lmfao there's litteraly at least 1 playoff run in his history with the Blackhawks that proves you wrong dude. He had played 9 playoff games already and scored 6 points which ain't that bad at all. And that was litteraly the worst year of his personal career and if I'm not mistaken, he was playing hurt in that playoff run too.
Furthermore, Martin St. Louis is one of the best playoff performers in history and was a comparable size and points output to DeBrincat as well.
This trades are anything but out to lunch. I'd say I'd love to hear what you think his value is in a trade but I'd sooner as a monkey for its opinion as it would likely be a lot less biased lol
Where did you get that number for the Qualifying offer? Lmfao his cap hit was 6.75 or somewhere around that which is where the Qualifying offer would be sitting around, NOT 9 million lol. Though if it were that would be better as I'd just say let another team offer sheet him in that case and collect the 4 1sts in compensation lol.
Fact is, if a team wants high quality, they need to offer high quality in return. And it don't get much higher quality than a proven 40 goal scorer who doesn't need a superstar crutch to lean on.
And while bigger guys might have a few advantages that smaller guys don't, the smaller guys also have their own list of advantages, like speed, agility, and longevity of career.
11.) 26 Apr 2023
26 Apr 2023 00:58:17
Mybads takes are awful but Debrincat is not a soft player. He’d do well in playoffs he’s a very good player. A comparison would be a smaller Jake Guzentzel.
12.) 26 Apr 2023
26 Apr 2023 01:35:19
Don't be salty bud. your post just shows you hockey knowledge is more of a day dream than reality.
You made this post, now we all get to comment. and laugh a little.
One playoff run isn't much of a playoff history lol.
As for making any trades. I don't think I would trade him, being a down year.
Not many teams would be able to accommodate his contract.
Little guys do have speed and agility, but one good hit smaller guys will take a second thought at going into the greasy areas!
13.) 26 Apr 2023
26 Apr 2023 22:56:24
Bumblebeetuna- I guess you never heard of Brendan Gallagher and Brad Marchand? Guess who hits more then both? Alex Debrincat. Wanna know who else he hits more then? Mathew Tkachuk. Not defending this guy but just saying Debrincat is an absolute warriors not to the extent of Gallagher but a similar mortar to Marchand without the Pestiness.
14.) 27 Apr 2023
26 Apr 2023 23:39:57
Vbbbvvbb
He is a great player, as are Marchand and Gallagher. but these 2 guys you mentioned and 5'9" (2" talked. not a huge deal) but also hover around the 180 lbs.
DeBrincat is 165 in his bio.
I'm not hating on DeBrincat at all. he has done remarkably well for his stature!
Just think those trade are bad, that's all.
15.) 27 Apr 2023
27 Apr 2023 03:12:40
Qualifying offer comes from salary not cap hit. Don’t know the exact number but I’m pretty sure it is around 9M. Also heck no from Colorado and the Kings.
16.) 27 Apr 2023
27 Apr 2023 13:17:55
Further to what the Bee said, Gallagher's Dad is a strength and conditioning coach, and told his son he is too small to play in the NHL. Gallagher has always worked hard to add muscle weight.
Marchand is a lot of things, but like Gallagher, he put on a lot of muscle weight, and it has served his exceptionally well. Being physically strong translates to everything, especially attitude. I like Debrincat a lot, but with 15 pounds more muscle on him, he'd be scary good.
Also, EBS is right about how Qualifying Offers are determined.
17.) 27 Apr 2023
27 Apr 2023 19:12:31
A mid to late 1st round pick, plus conditional picks if the player extends would be my guess.
18.) 01 May 2023
01 May 2023 00:59:13
Ebsolutely, no it doesn't. Qualifying offer comes from the average annual cap hit value, NOT actual last year salary as you say. Always has.
Facelift39, not a chance dude. That's nowhere close to DeBrincat value. He was aquired for a lot more than that last year when it was very clear to the whole world and every expert that Sens got him for a steal of a deal. It was the talk of the league. After proving he can still go without Kane feeding him, his value is up from that now. And it sure as hell ain't gone down. No chance. That value you gave might get a sign a trade for Formenton and Branstrom or Joseph with him. But it ain't getting DeBrincat.
19.) 01 May 2023
01 May 2023 01:05:42
Bumblebee, you're embarrassing yourself with these piss poor evaluations of DeBrincats value dude. He's a Top 6 player on all teams and a Top 3 on some. The value you keep implying is that of a bottom 6 role player. You can't get players like DeBrincat for rubbishty prices like that. It will never work like that. Hell JGP was nowhere near what DeBrincat is when he was traded for a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd. Do the math bro. JGP was a high end 3rd line Center at best and got that value. DeBrincat, however, at best can be a mid level 1st line winger and at worst a low 2nd line winger. He will get a much bigger return than JGP did and you know I'm right.
20.) 01 May 2023
01 May 2023 05:17:10
The sens paid for two years of a player and now they're trying to sell a year is a way of looking at his value
And ebs is right about the qualifying offers, debrincat cap hit was 6.4 on his last deal and his QO 9 mill agreed?
21.) 02 May 2023
02 May 2023 04:00:41
@mybad2
Has anyone agreed with you yet.?
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