05 Feb 2016 18:01:39
TOR-JVR, Lupul
CGY-Smid, Stajan and 2017 1st
Toronto gets another pick while JVR and Lupul could be the Flames second line wingers. Smid and Stajan are just salary dumpers could be Jones instead of Stajan.
1.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 18:35:59
lol no thank you form the leafs.
2.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 18:45:52
Lol no from Toronto. JVR would garner a much better package then that crap, like you said "Smid and Stajan are just salary dumps" so how on earth is that enough for JVR? Awful proposal.
3.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 19:08:32
JVR is a really good player. No way Leafs trade him for that. I could see Lupul heading out to help a legitimate Stanley Cup Contender. Smid and Stajan are not the direction the Leafs wanna go.. kinda think they wanna get rid of those kind of players, the scrap guys?
4.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 19:12:29
so salary dumps for a 25 year old 30 goal power forward with the best contract in the NHL? Got it.
5.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 19:24:48
Stammer2Leafs you mean 26 year old who scored 30 that one season on a good contract (NOT the best in the NHL) for 2 more seasons. While I agree that won't get you JVR (even with Lupuls negative value) Leaf fans need to stop acting like JVR is the most valuable piece in the NHL. He's good he's valuable but not other teams top prospects young players and 1st round picks valuable.
6.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 20:31:26
@jb
2012-13 (lockout) 18 goals in 48 games - on pace for 31 goals full season
2013-14 30 goals in 80 games
2014-15 27 goals in 82 games (leafs fell apart for last 35 games of the season)
2015-16 14 goals in 40 games before injury - on pace for 29 goals
All while playing for the Leafs. no number 1 centre or elite player to play with (can argue Kessel but he wasn't a game changer)
Also please excuse me for thinking he was 1 year younger than he really is, will you forgive me, master? I'm still blown away that JVR isn't in a nursing home right now because he's so old.
As for his production divided by his annual cap hit, yes, he does have one of the best contracts in the NHL for players aged 23-30. This isn't subjective.
No one is saying "he is the most valuable piece in the NHL". Can you provide any proof whatsoever where anyone has literally ever uttered those words? Or is that a lie too? Rhetorical.
He is a player entering his prime that has proved he has the ability to score 30 goals, or just shy of (because 27 goals is trash) and he has a big frame with very good speed and hands for a guy of his size.
He has taken drastic steps in the right direction regarding his defensive game under Babcock and will likely only get better.
In the event that Toronto does trade him though, what would be the point of moving him for future draft picks? To pray that you draft another player like him? Doesn't that seem ridiculously stupid to you, when you already have a proven player of his calibre? So yes, if Toronto decided they wanted to move him ( which I am very confident they won't), they would ask for other teams best prospects or high picks since they are taking a shot in the dark at what might be a bust in the future.
Anything else you need help understanding? I also tutor math after hours for children like you. Give me a call if you're interested, and don't forget to take off your leaf hater glasses, they are making you seem much less intelligent than I'm sure you are.
7.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 20:35:56
JBS32 - a 30 goal scorer who played with a cherry picking chubby puck hog and a solid 3rd line Center.
your right he only scored 30 once however put him on a line with a bona-fide 1st line center and we are talking a whole different story. for a player with his size and production he easily has a fabulous contact that every GM wants. You do not have to be a Leafs fan to look at his production love the contract.
8.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 21:18:07
Good contract? Of course. Best in the NHL? Guys like Stralman Tavares Hedman etc. Would like to have a word. Proven he can score 30? Yes. But calling him a 30 goal scorer is like calling Stamkos a 60 goal scorer. Did it once. Could he do it again? Maybe. But 30 looks like a ceiling not an average. I'm not saying he's bad. I'm not saying his contract isn't good. I'm saying the same arguments are being made about how Kessel would score 50 for sure with a good center. How's that going? No guarentee JVR does anything more than what he's done in Toronto. Which is good. I'm not saying he's a bad player. But the value Leaf fans have put on him on this site has been at times ridiculous. If you wanna look how leaf fans over value their players you proved it here today. Last year Kessel was elite one of if not the best sniper in the league all he needed was a center to play with. Now he's not a game changer. Didn't take much to change opinions there just a change of jersey.
9.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 21:35:55
jbs32 doesn't watch hockey.
10.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 21:36:17
jbs32 needs to cover water polo.
11.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 21:37:06
jbs32 watches darts.
12.) 05 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 21:45:46
jbs32 hits 'believable' on his own comments.
13.) 06 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 22:25:24
@JF12
The roasts are getting better each time
@Jbiebs
Over the past 4 years he's averaged 29 goals if you account for the lockout season and his pace this year before his injury. Sorry its not exactly 30 goals, my liege, I am so sorry for dishonouring you with JVR's clear lack of skill. 29 goals a season is simply unacceptable and trash to say the least.
Your Stamkos analogy is incredibly misleading. Stamkos scored 60 goals once but has proven to be a 40-45 goal scorer on average. Although JVR has only scored 30 once, he was on pace to score 27-30 goals in all of the other years. So please forgive me for referring to a 29 goal scorer as a 30 goal scorer; I will be certain to never ever make that mistake again.
I will admit, the best contract in the league is a bit of a stretch, however, he is among the best contracts (more than likely top 5-10) in the league if you view the correlation between his salary and his production, as well as taking age into account. (Obviously, superstar rookies coming in on their ELC that put up lots of points skew the data)
As for your Kessel argument-- You cannot simply generalize an entire fan base and make assumptions on how they feel about a certain player based on a few crazy fans. Just because other leafs fans felt Kessel was the best sniper in the league doesn't mean that as a Leafs fan, I didnt. My opinion was that Kessel wasn't a game changer, so by him going to Pittsburgh and not lighting it up, how does that make me a fan that flips on a dime? It doesnt. If you only realized how foolish your arguments are, maybe you would stop making them. At this point you're just throwing darts with your eyes closed hoping to hit something. Well, you did, its just too bad you were aiming at your feet.
14.) 06 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 22:25:38
He's pretty bang on the Kessel comment though.
15.) 06 Feb 2016
05 Feb 2016 23:50:29
JVR >> Drouin just saying.
16.) 06 Feb 2016
06 Feb 2016 00:28:14
@JF12 lmao
@jbs
you really think stralman has a better contract than JVR? Just bcuz he is TB doesn't mean he has a great contract. if he wasnt playing with hedman he wouldn't be that great.
17.) 06 Feb 2016
06 Feb 2016 03:31:00
TopShelfSlappers it has nothing to do with Stralman being on Tampa. I'd take a top pair D man over a top 6 winger on the same contract and that's really what it comes down to there. Same term roughly same money and yes without Hedman he is that good. He's a legitimate top pair D man his numbers with/ without Hedman are still very good.
18.) 06 Feb 2016
06 Feb 2016 06:23:50
Not saying I wouldn't consider him a 30 goal scorer but on pace and actually doing it is a different story. But if your to call him a 55-60 point guy I think that would be okay.
19.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 10:55:08
Who would want Joffery Lupul? We've already done our part helping the perpetual "cellar dwellers" of the NHL; ie Doug Gilmour for Gary Leeman. Time for someone else to step up and bite the bullet.