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21 Sep 2018 20:11:05
How about Rattie with McDavid and Nuge. Not bad for a waiver pick up. Has the speed to keep up. 5 points last night. 7 in 2 games. Pre season still, but I was sceptical he coupd continue this season after ending last season so well on that line. Was on waivers twice last season I think too. Hope he can continue producing tho.

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21 Sep 2018 23:42:30
Just gunna throw it out there that the jets fielded an ahl team. Aside from our 4th line and morrisey/ Trouba.

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21 Sep 2018 23:43:32
But he did look good and that first goal by pulj was very nice. He looked like he could do very well this season.

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22 Sep 2018 00:07:56
Could Rattie be McDavids Rob Brown? ( MarioLemieux sidekick for a couple seasons)

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22 Sep 2018 00:32:57
I think the line of having a good season on McDavid’s wing is at least 50 points so if he can’t keep that pace I could see Yamamoto being called up to take his spot. But yeah your right he has looked good and I hope he can do it.

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22 Sep 2018 03:05:09
I know you don't have much reason for optimism in Edmonton, but if you're hanging your hat on pre-season games as a reason for a glimmer of hope, you're going to be in for a very long season.

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20 Sep 2018 20:27:16
Current leafs training camp lines-

Hyman-Mathews-Brown
Johnson-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Kappanen
Lievo-Ennis-Grundstrom

I thought Hyman was going to play with Tavares? And the lines aren't looking bad without Nylander

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21 Sep 2018 03:41:00
Um I don’t think so
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Marleau/ Matthews/ Ennis
Leivo/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Lindholm/ Kapanen
Those are the lines Babcock had, have you watched a pre-season game yet? Or even seen anything saying that Hyman plays with Matthews and Brown, I dought your lines actually happen.

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21 Sep 2018 04:15:10
I think Hyman was playing with Tavares game one. Ennis was also with Matthews for game 2. Lots of options up front, unfortunately not so much on the back end.

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21 Sep 2018 20:55:41
That’s what the lines were at the morning skate.

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22 Sep 2018 00:31:47
It’s been Matthews with Marleau and Ennis (Nylander) and then Tavares with marner and human like the plan has been for weeks.

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Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

20 Sep 2018 17:32:13
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Sporting Villains Part 1: Spain's Paralympic Basketball Team 2000

Possibly, probably even, the biggest sporting scandal of all time begins our new Sporting Villains series.

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21 Sep 2018 14:03:41
I agree Mr Shark.

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19 Sep 2018 14:40:31
With the injury to Nicolas deslauriers it's a big boost for michael mccarron I would think this will be his last chance to make the team if he doesn't take advantage of this situation or at least dominate when sent to laval I'm certain this will be the final straw.

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19 Sep 2018 16:04:46
Ya I agree Habby. I wonder if there is someone in his same situation, that Montreal could make a deal, 2 players needing a change, to see if they can get there careers going.
Kinda like the Rychel, Shinkaruk deal.
What about Virtanen for McCarron?

Hopefully , as you stated, he can take advantage of this and play hard and show something. I'm starting to lose hope for that however.

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19 Sep 2018 16:17:04
That would be the only way to get anything back for him right now Sosa. I doubt van trades virtanen straight up for him at least virtanen has showed he can stay in the nhl even if it is in a limited role.

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19 Sep 2018 16:57:12
I think his chances are running out too. Like I said earlier in the summer with gauthier in Toronto, I think this season determines if he’s an NHL player or a good lifetime AHL vet. And I also think Virtanen would hold more value at the moment. But that’s the type of move you would get. Just don’t see what Vancouver gains in that deal. McCarrons older, bigger (which isn’t the asset it once was) and had marginally better AHL numbers, but Virtanen did get into a lot more NHL games and managed 10 goals, not great but a sign he can compete.

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19 Sep 2018 18:02:56
Gauthier is in the same boat jim. Both were not bad picks at the time but the game changed during the 5 years it took them to develop. Mccarron probably has a better oppurtunity to make it this year but I'm not betting on him. From what I hear he had a good off season and came to camp in the right frame of mind so you never know I guess.

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18 Sep 2018 19:01:36
After seeing Braun post, i just read a great article on THW - Side Effects of the Eric Karlsson Trade. Really worth looking into and goes in depth regarding the SJS blue line and depth concerns up front.
Also reminded me that Burns used to play RW... doubt it would happen again, but does bring up some great questions.
Really do suggest checking out that article if you get a chance.

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18 Sep 2018 21:00:02
That is a good article and does it ever go into depth. It is exactly what I was thinking regarding SJ’s forward depth now. I think the only time you see Burns up front is on the PP. That is why I thought Kapanen or Brown might be something they’d be interested in, however it seems a center is what they need most. With Braun coming off his best season and Toronto’s need for a RD, the Sharks could probably get a steal for Braun. I understand not wanting to break up Braun/ Vlasic but as mentioned in the article, it may have to be something they explore. This same article could be written in reverse for the maple leafs. Did anyone (Sosa) notice the part that says, “When opportunity allows a team to bring in great talent, they need to do it. ”.

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18 Sep 2018 21:31:12
Oh yeah, I saw that for sure. I think Braun would be a great addition to the Leafs, ideally for the 2nd line but would for sure be your 1RD for the time being. I think Kap would be a good starting point but i'm sure they would be asking for ++ after that. Kap, Leivo and Bracco? I think Bracco was drafted as a center but don't know how he has done since.

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18 Sep 2018 23:53:22
Pavalski, Joe, Hertal and Couture is pretty good center depth of you ask me.

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19 Sep 2018 04:15:41
Read the article vbb’s. It said that Hertl can also play center but he belongs on Couture’s wing because he was excellent there. We all know big Joe is slowing down and the article mentioned all the games missed between Thornton and Pavelski. You’re right Turkey, it would be Kapanen plus but I think it would be something both teams would consider.

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19 Sep 2018 04:51:52
I don’t watch much Sharks at all so I could be wrong, but even if they are listed as centres don’t Pavelski and Hertl typically play on the wing?

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19 Sep 2018 15:19:24
Your right jbs. The article goes into that. Also just the chemistry of their current defensive pairing being better than the sum of the two players - which i think has a big impact on the team as well as trade value. If the mix up Braun and keep him on the 3rd line they have an unbalanced team but also his stock is at risk of going down. If they try and move him now they might get a great return for him.
I think Toronto is a great trade partner as they are in a very similar predicament - great players but unbalanced - each on the opposite side of the scale.

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16 Sep 2018 03:45:57
Does getting Karlsson make Braun expendable? He's not a #1 RD but he's just as good if not better than any of the leafs right side. The leafs could get him without giving away too much I would think.

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16 Sep 2018 15:54:00
Braun is probably expendable but not a player San Jose is shopping.

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16 Sep 2018 23:02:43
He probably just plays on the 3rd pair for this year no biggie.

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17 Sep 2018 15:43:33
You’re right habby, I just thought their winger depth could use some help by trading Braun. Maybe Brown or Kapanen might be something they’d be interested in. I’m assuming they’re going to try and resign Karlsson as well and SJ could fill the 3rd pairing d with a much cheaper option.

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17 Sep 2018 20:47:57
I’ll reiterate what I said for the three unintelligent enough to comprehend what I said. Justin Braun is not being shopped around on the trade market but for the right price he’s available.

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17 Sep 2018 23:10:31
What? There is only two of us talking, you must be including yourself. Nobody said Braun was being shopped, most players we put in proposals are not being shopped. You are the last one on this site to talk about intelligence. I guarantee you used a dictionary because those are some pretty big words for you. Also, how the f*ck do you know who’s available and who’s not?

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18 Sep 2018 03:14:53
Lol I think he was referring to the 3 disagree on his post.

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18 Sep 2018 03:45:05
We should really try to be more civil on here. Anyway my 2 cents is he’s no more available than he was before the Karlsson trade. They’d have to make their team this year better they are going for it. Also until Karlsson signs an extension they have to treat him as a rental, if they trade Braun and Karlsson walks, they get real weak on the right side real fast. San Jose is definitely going all in this year, so having a solid D play 3rd pair is valuable, and I don’t think they plan to kick off a rebuild and start tanking next year so he’s insurance they know can step into that top 4 role if they can’t get a deal done with Karlsson. If Karlsson extends i feel it gets more likely.

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18 Sep 2018 05:11:37
I’m confused too lol.

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18 Sep 2018 05:54:08
You have proposed trades for “Paryanko and Stephen Jones. ” Are they being shopped or is anyone available for the right price? You’ve used words like “critera, tital, and let’s not forget imput. ” Sounding out words should not be used after kindergarten. You think steroids should be legal in the nhl because it would be “funner” to watch. The next time you have “INPUT” on a conversation, please realize that you show your lack of intelligence on a daily basis.

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18 Sep 2018 06:39:41
Good point jbs about Karlsson possibly being a rental.

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18 Sep 2018 22:35:42
VB just got ripped a new lolol.

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19 Sep 2018 03:15:06
Ripped a new one by a fellow fan too. Wow. Leafs17 has impressed me for the first time ever I think.

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19 Sep 2018 07:16:02
Everyone is entitled to an opinion if you don’t agree with my opinion, okay but that dosent make you right. I don’t think I’ve made a proposal that was unrealistic/ unfair value wise on this site. You’re “inferior” mind just can’t comprehend the posts I make leading you to direct a hate post on me in order to deflect the topic away from something you don’t fully understand and in this case it’s Braun’s availability, which if you don’t agree with my above statements you have no idea what you’re talking about. So in that case you’re welcome for teaching you about Braun’s availability have a nice day :)

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19 Sep 2018 08:53:20
I know that “dosent” make me right. Some of us with inferior intelligence than the beautiful mind of vbb’s like to post ideas without being ridiculed. You try and have a good day too kid. Don’t forget your lunch for school.

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15 Sep 2018 05:19:51
That's 3 times this week I've read someone say pacioretty was never the same player after the chara hit. Are people that stupid? Or is this some kind of sarcastic saying people have started? At least 2 of them were habs fans. I mean the chara hit was in 2011 pacioretty played his best hockey by far after that incident.

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15 Sep 2018 22:12:32
He wasn't the same he was better I guess.

Just fans trying to convince themselves it was a great deal.

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15 Sep 2018 22:08:52
Why do u care we got 2 times more then we should of gotten for him so be happy for that ahah.

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15 Sep 2018 22:57:57
I don't know why they would have to convince themselves of that cause it was a good deal. I think they are just stupid and don't realize that happened like 7 or 8 years ago.

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15 Sep 2018 23:59:47
When Patches gets better quality than EK lol.

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16 Sep 2018 04:17:31
Totally agree with ya Habby. he was more of an up and comer when he got hit by Chara. Anyway. for once I'm happy with a Bergevin trade.

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14 Sep 2018 22:01:33
Kotkaniemi vs dubois? Thoughts?

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14 Sep 2018 22:21:55
Dubois he’s way more proven and dosent have many question marks.

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14 Sep 2018 23:19:45
Dubois is right now as he is 2 years further along in his development I don't think he was better then kotkaniemi is now 2 years ago though.

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14 Sep 2018 23:20:01
What's all the question marks vbb?

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15 Sep 2018 00:48:04
Dubois a year after being drafted so high looked awful at the World Juniors and at times didn’t notice him at all. He’s redeemed himself since and looks good, but it’s not fair to compare him to a kid drafted 3 months ago.

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15 Sep 2018 04:11:30
Well he never played a game in the nhl. That’s mostly what I was referring to.

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15 Sep 2018 18:41:18
Dubois has the size. Kotha is just drafted. Need to see more in training camp to make a comparison.

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16 Sep 2018 23:51:37
Dubois.

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14 Sep 2018 14:43:16
I wonder is Rambone will ever come back.

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14 Sep 2018 19:45:15
He’s lurking in the shadows somewhere. if you listen carefully you can hear him whimpering.

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14 Sep 2018 22:39:00
Would be nice if he came out and admitted he was wrong. Would save a little face.

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14 Sep 2018 02:43:41
Teams in the pacific division have been busy.

They have added:

Erik Karlsson
Ilya Kovalchuk
Max Paccioretty
James Neal
Paul Stastny
Alex Galchenyuk
Elias Lindholm
Noah Hanifin

Oilers added:

Tobias Rieder
Kyle Brodziak
Miko Koskinen

I know last year was a bad year and they’re counting on their guys stepping up, but surely the rest of the division is preparing for war and it seems like the oilers are preparing to just ride Mcdavid again. Everything could go their way and they could win the division and I’d have to eat my words, but it looks like Chiarelli has missed out on a lot.

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14 Sep 2018 04:53:38
We'll jim he didn't have the cap space to do much which I guess is mostly his own fault as we'll. when you take in account the subtraction from a couple of those teams calgery with hamilton and Vegas with Perron and Neal how much did they really improve? Kovalchuk is a wild card and galchenyuk is nothing to be scared of. But karlson does make the sharks a whole lot more intimidating on paper at least. i could see the oilers missing the playoffs again but I wouldn't be suprised if a few of those teams miss out as well.

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14 Sep 2018 05:30:48
Oil don’t have the cap. Waaay overpayed on a backup goalie, gave Russell and Sekera too much money, overpayed bottom six forwards like Cagguila and Kassian and wasted 300K on buying out Gryba which doesn’t seem like a lot but it’s rumoured to be what the difference in contract talks with Nurse are.
I’d say it’s finally a buyers market and Chiarelli is blowing it.

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14 Sep 2018 07:10:06
The oilers should take advantage of the fire sale in Ottawa. Stone for Lucic and a 7th? Just a question to oilers fans. Who’s better, Nurse or Klefbom? I’d like to see either one on the leafs. You guys have mentioned the oilers are stacked on the left side. I’d prefer the tenacity of Nurse. I’ve read that Klefbom is a steady shutdown d man which the leafs need as well. I really don’t see enough Oiler games to judge. I know the leafs need a RD but I’d take either one of them on my team. Someone could play the opposite side for a season and let Gardiner walk. Maybe a deal could be worked out around Nylander? You can throw us Kassian too to help with cap. McDavid, Nylander and Hopkins would be dangerous.

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14 Sep 2018 16:26:27
I get the cap space issue, but I’m saying he has painted himself into a corner over the past cpl years and now is missing out because of it. Also, at the price that some of these guys went for, he could have added an asset to include salary retention and still come out ahead.

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14 Sep 2018 18:47:49
Neal stasny pacioretty and kovalchuk would have had to want to sign there though.

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14 Sep 2018 20:41:14
@Habby, you’re right, it’s not all within Chiarellis control and not all his fault. Just saying all his decisions have repercussions. For example if Lucic wasn’t taking up so much cap, you could offer more money. That could change someone’s mind about playing in Edmonton. Or getting to play with Hall would be a draw for a lot of guys, can’t play that card anymore. So missing out on these guys isn’t just him not being able to pull it off that day, but also what’s led to them not being able to land these guys, or anyone else of significance. Because a cpl years ago, like when Lucic signed, the prospect of going to the Oilers to play with mcdavid was considered a huge selling point but PC just hasn’t been able to take advantage of that like I expected. But again, they could win the division and Chiarelli looks like a genius for not spending more. Only as good as yesterday.

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16 Sep 2018 07:17:55
Some of the names you listed aren’t really fair to have on that list. I’m sure the Oilers probably tried to get someone like Neal but couldn’t meet his contract demands, so that’s apt. But guys like Lindholm and Hanifin were gotten by trade. Don’t forget that while Lindholm and Hanifin came
In, Hamilton is gone. Oilers didn’t have a player like that to offer up. So it’s not exactly like they “missed out”, they didn’t have the proper currency. Maybe Puljujarvi could have brought the same return, but I think giving up on him this early would have been a mistake.

Oilers definitely didn’t add as much firepower as I would have liked, and having no significant player to step in for the absence of Sekera is worrisome but we’ll have to wait and see how things shake out. Maybe last year really was just a down year and there is enough rebound in this team to prove doubters wrong. We’ll have to wait and see.

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