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18 Nov 2018 22:05:53
So, I guess there's an extra-special draft once every ten years or so? First I remember was 2003, and now there's 2015. I mean, I'm just going to list some of the players who have made an impact at the NHL Level or are late-round picks who are playing way over their draft status:

- McDavid
- Eichel
- Marner
- Hanifin
- Provorov
- Werenski
- Meier
- Rantanen
- Debrusk
- Barzal
- Connor
- Chabot
- Eriksson-Ek
- White
- Samsonov [Not there yet, but will make the show soon]
- Boeser
- Konecny
- Roslovic
- Juulsen
- Larsson
- Beauvillier
- Carlsson
- Fischer
- Dermott
- Aho
- Carlo
- JFK
- Sprong
- Greenway
- Guhle
- Lauzon
- Andersson
- Dunn
- Klyington
- Bracco
- Cirelli
- Saarela
- Malgin
- Wolanin
- Jones
- Joseph
- Bear
- Kaprizov
- SImon
- Balcers
- Terry
- Gaudette
- Nuttivara
- Niku

I'm probably missing some, but my god. All of these guys have either made the show and played sensational, or are prospects who have a very, very good chance of making the show in the near future. And, there's also guys like Strome, Zacha and Crouse, who have played in the NHL, but have struggled.

But my god. What a draft.

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18 Nov 2018 04:04:25
Watching Flames/ oilers. Entertaining first period. Lots of hitting. Bennett lays out Nurse with a clean open ice hit. Nurse didn’t like it and they scrapped. Tkachuk getting under everyone’s skin. Leon with a slew foot on him. Then Kassian takes 16 min in penalties on a delayed penalty to the flames for going after tkachuk. Turns from a prospective oil PP to a 4 min PP for flames. And then tkachuk is on the ice for the PP. love or hate the guy, he’s so effective. He’s under guys skin and in their heads more than anyone in the league. I think he out “marchands” Marchand lol just not quite as good of a player.

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18 Nov 2018 04:19:46
Ya it's been entertaining. except I was really hoping Kassian was going to throttle that Spineless turtle boy.
Hmm not suprised by his anticts seeing he's an American player.

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18 Nov 2018 04:37:32
I feel like if he was from Syria not America you’d be torn apart. You have a lot of prejudice towards Americans I don’t know a lot of them but the ones I do are really good people. You can’t generalize a particular person based upon Race, Religion or Nationality. There’s a lot of terrible people in Canada we’re not perfect.

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18 Nov 2018 04:58:33
Oh I like American people VB. my grandparents are American. have lots of American relatives and friends, I played football in the States and, they are great people.
It's just a hockey thing VB. Lol. seems like the players I really don't like, are all Americans. lol.
If it is offending ya, I'll tone it down on the American thing. ( I'll try) lol.

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18 Nov 2018 00:18:04
I read an article yesterday, I think it was Friedman who was talking to Draisitls agent and the agent was saying how well Chiarelli was to deal with on contract nagotiations, and was asked about Nylander right now and how Drais talks went with regards to how far away from McDavids money should he be and if that's a concern for any landers agent right now, Not wanting to be so far away from Mathews and Marner. I think that could be a big reason right now, Nylanders agent thinks Mathews might get $13M, Marner maybe $9M and doesn't think Nylander should then be around like $6.5M let's say.

Nylander and his agent don't think he's a full $5-6M less than Mathews. I think that's a big part of this.
Friedman also says that McDavid left money on the table, at least $1M that went right into Drais deal. Makes a lot of sense, no?

The agent doing his job maybe? Legit concern? If I was Dubas I would have traded him long ago, it's good he's sticking to his guns, yes of course. But I would have traded him long ago if he was worried about being closer to Mathews deal.

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18 Nov 2018 01:51:57
i agree dubas should have traded him as soon as 8 million and i won't budge came out of his agents mouth.

im too lazy to do any cap research regarding other teams that might be interested in aquiring nylander, and the star players on those teams and what they make in terms of cap. but had he been traded to a team with a top guy making 8ish that's clearly more proven, would he then take a 6 million dollar deal like he should have in toronto, i don't like the idea of a player using teammates as leverage as they play a different style and its hard to make comparisons that way. league wide his comparables are pasta, ehlers, should make close to their money for how long they are signed for. say a 4 or 5 year deal.

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18 Nov 2018 01:56:16
Should be a concern to the entire league if a player like Mathews gets 13 a year. . cause its just going to drive up salaries. he's worth 7.5. Marner maybe 7. And Nylander 6.5 .
If he gets 13, every above average center is going to want that. all the Superstars like MacKinnon, Scheiffle ect . What are they going to get? 20 million. lol. its just ridiculous. only 2 guys should make over 10 Crosby and of course McDavid.

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18 Nov 2018 02:39:17
It depends on what was offered. If he was offered a trade that made sense, he probably would have. Saying “I don’t want to trade him” is not always telling other GMs not to call, it’s telling them to offer more. He would rather keep the rights to a good young player, whether he’s in the lineup or not, than get an extremely underwhelming return.

Everyone wants it dealt with, but you own him for 5 years. Overpaying him or giving him away for trash will haunt you for just as long. Would Nylander really abandon all his NHL aspirations and never come back over $1mill a season?! Because that’s what he may have to do. If he would, that doesn’t seem like a guy that really wants to win at the highest level anyway.

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18 Nov 2018 03:03:22
Also draisatl is the oilers 2nd best player, easily. Nylander is the leafs 6th or 7th on Toronto. That matters too. I’ve said it before, you don’t let the 7th best player on the team hold you hostage. Matthews, tavares and marner are going to make more than him. Andersen and Rielly are better than him, more important to the team without a doubt, and will make less for the next 3-4 years. Kadri will be making $2 mill atleast less and he’s pretty close to equal importance to Nylander with the role he plays. I don’t know how you rank the oilers players in best/ importance, but look down that list and find #7 and tell me if you would want your GM to let him call the shots or force his hand that will affect #1 and #2s future? It doesn’t make sense.

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18 Nov 2018 14:12:36
Lol Mathews isn’t going to get $13 mln any more than he’s “worth $7.5” (one of the dumber posts I’ve seen on this site recently, and that’s saying something) .

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18 Nov 2018 14:19:51
Also why would you want your GM to be viewed as “so well to negotiate with” by your players? You realize that’s pretty much him saying this guy was a pushover and gave me what I asked for (which sounds a lot like Chia negotiating with other GM’s in trade deals 😂)

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18 Nov 2018 15:44:08
@unsportsmanlike, I’ve tried explaining that “being easy to deal with” isn’t a trait a lot of people value in a GM. Doesn’t end well.

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18 Nov 2018 16:10:42
Lol. Well unsportsmanlike, I think he's not worth as much as all you guys value him. I think most players arent. and its going to get to a point where we have a lockout ect. when/ if a guy like Mathews gets 13 ( if he gets that) it drives up all salaries. I don't think Price should get 10m+ or whatever.
And if he does get 13 and Marner gets 9. is he really worth 4m more than Marner?

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18 Nov 2018 18:49:49
Well Sosa we just have to hope that Dubas isn’t more concerned with being well liked by agents than doing his job and making decisions based on what’s best for his hockey team and then it should be fine lol and by the way the Nylander thing has been going, I’d say he’s more worried about keeping his salary cap under control to keep the best team on the ice rather than having Lewis gross praise him in an article in a cpl years.

Agents can write scathing reviews of Dubas all they want. If he can keep a team with Matthews, JT, Marner, Andersen, Rielly, Kadri and maybe Nylander together, he will have the respect of his peers and fans which I’m sure he will take over being called ‘easy to deal with’ by an agent lol.

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18 Nov 2018 18:53:43
I’m not sure when I have “valued” Matthews ever on this site but I think all of the numbers you are pulling are pretty arbitrary. And then you’re using that as an anchor to make statements like “is Marner worth $4 mln less than Matthews” when that is predicated on something completely ungrounded.

If your sentiment is that professional athletes in general are grossly overpaid, I can get behind that. But that’s free-market capitalism for you.

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18 Nov 2018 20:41:08
My main concern is when some players get overpaid, it drives up salaries throughout the league.

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18 Nov 2018 22:27:22
I agree and I think another lockout will result from it. GM’s will eventually get the “bail out” and get to buyout a few players on their teams and then it will be right back to crazy town and the cycle repeats itself.

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17 Nov 2018 17:43:03
Islandjets is Talking about Jacob Trouba as if he is a number 1 D. Is he? Honest question. I tough he maybe still has a tiny bit that potential but has he proven he's a real number 1 RHD? I don't watch the Jets unless theyplay mtl but had no clue his developement was going so well. because when I think of number 1 D I think of Seth Jones, Roman Josi,Drew Doughty,Victor Hedman. I must had no clue Trouba was at that level atm. I tought he was a Ryan Ellis type defensemen

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17 Nov 2018 17:52:43
Trouba has been playing are the level of at least a 2D for the past couple years. This year he is looking like he is improving again, so he could very well be there.

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17 Nov 2018 18:05:45
Trouba and Morrissey have developed into a top shut down pairing in the league. Unfortunately I believe that if the Jets don't sign him by the draft they will trade him. There would be quite a few teams that would want a young right shot d-man and pay a fair price. I'm not sure what trade it would take to get him out out of Winnipeg but it won't happen until after the season.

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17 Nov 2018 18:40:53
The only thing that really keeps him from being mentioned as a full fledged number 1 dman is his offense. But that's a pretty important thing just the same.

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17 Nov 2018 20:35:10
Take whatever islandjet says with a grain of salt he said Slavin is the 4th Dman on Carolina and suggested Buffiglen, Trouba And Morrissey are better then Slavin.

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18 Nov 2018 01:53:28
nice burn vb.

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17 Nov 2018 16:19:28
Lots of Oilers, Leafs, Canadians, Jets, Canuks represented on this site.
Some of the other posters, who is your main team you cheer for? What other teams are represented on here.

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16 Nov 2018 22:42:33
HockeyBuzz - Eklund says it’s weird for all his sources to agree on anything and yet they are all hearing he same thing. Leafs and Jets are talking about a Nylander/ Trouba swap, but Nylander wouldn’t be staying in Winnipeg. He would be flipped to Philly/ Carolina/ NYR for LHD help.

I always get a kick out of a lot of these Rumor guys and don’t believe much of it because 99% of the time it never happens. But this could make sense, not saying It’s true. But.

Leafs want a RHD that can play physical but still be mobile and is in their core age. That’s Trouba.

Jets have RHD and have apparently been looking for LHD. Jets don’t want to pay Trouba what he was asking last year and would prefer cost certainty.

Carolina apparently really wants Nylander, pesce/ Faulk aren’t enough on their own for Nylander, and the D that interests leafs the most (Slavin) wouldn’t be traded for Nylander alone and is a LHD.

So pieces would need to be added, a contract for Nylander and an extension for Trouba would have to be figured out. But could a Nylander, Trouba, Slavin swap work?! I dunno but interesting.

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16 Nov 2018 23:15:46
I just hope something happens soon lol. As bad as eklund is he probably knows just as much as anyone else it seems on this topic.

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16 Nov 2018 23:50:53
Not much chance this trade will ever happen as Slavin, who is signed to a great contract, is #4 on the Hurricaines defense depth and would be a #2 left shot d-man behind Morrissey. Why would the Jets trade a #1 righty for a #2 lefty? I'm not sure what these other teams would give the Jets now to get them to part with Trouba. If the Jets can't sign Trouba by the draft then they might move him and then will have a choice of offers from Tor, Phil, NYR, Det, Edm and many others that want a #1 right shot d-man.

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17 Nov 2018 01:10:37
I would be more interested in the deal if it was Slavin who ended up in Winnipeg rather than Pesce. Toronto would need to throw in a pretty good plus to get the wheels rolling either way and then it would depend on what Carolina and Winnipeg thought the difference was between Slavin and Nylander.

Really though I can't see the Jets moving Trouba before the summer.

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17 Nov 2018 02:36:45
Wow for a number 4 d d-man Slavin plays a ton of minutes. weird.

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17 Nov 2018 02:37:43
He’s number 1 on Carolina’s depth chart and he’d be number 1 on Winnipeg’s depth chart as he’s a top 10 dman in the game he’s already better then Vlasic imo him and Ryan Suter are very comparable.

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17 Nov 2018 06:17:11
Yeah, he’s not a #4 Dman on Carolina lol the last time he didn’t have the most ice time on the team was 2015/ 16. He has lead the canes in TOi for 3 straight seasons and 2016/ 17 is the only time Trouba has averaged more ice time than Slavin.

No shot at Trouba as I have said multiple times I would want him on my team, but how he is a “#1 RHD” and a guy that plays more than him, has put up more points in those past 3 seasons, has a +- that’s very comparable while on a far less talented team is a #4?!

and Slavin has 32 career PIMS in 4 seasons playing against top lines, that alone shows his positioning and mobility not to have to take penalties to defend.

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17 Nov 2018 06:40:33
Out of all the names thrown around here, Slavin is the one I would want the most. He’s signed long term to a very reasonable contract. Trouba is greedy and injury prone, and will bleed us dry next summer negotiations. Pesce just isn’t a top line defenseman imo.

There’s a lot to like about Slavin, but the thing I like most about him is his contract.

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17 Nov 2018 19:59:35
Can you imagine if Leafs had both Trouba and Mathews? Room isn't big enough for those to arrogant cocky yanks.

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18 Nov 2018 00:16:29
They might be arrogant in your opinion, but if TO added Trouba to Matthews, that would give them one heck of a core.

Fortunately, I don't see the Jets moving Trouba before next summer.

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16 Nov 2018 20:01:11
Oil: Strome

Pitt: Rust.

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16 Nov 2018 21:06:37
Apparently Strome just went for Spooner.
What does everyone think . ?
Just 2 guys in need of a change?

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16 Nov 2018 21:26:33
Spooner instead my man.
Both players 1G and 1A this season. Both need a change. I like it. I was wanting to add something to Strome for Tofoli myself because I read a week ago LAK might be interested in Strome but I wanted any little minor trade to shake it up a little. They say both coach and GM jobs are safe, make a minor trade to shake the room up.
Spooner $4M for this and next year. NYR retains $900K
Strome $3.1M this and next year.

I would have liked Rust as well but at least Spooner replaces Strome at 3C probably.

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16 Nov 2018 21:30:58
Kinda like the Hagelin for Pearson I guess. Very different players but probably similar in value. Not bad, just that Rust has come up huge in big games for the Pens over the past few playoffs, I think he’s one of those clutch guys that has more value within his own organization than outside. But who knows.

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16 Nov 2018 21:39:02
Just saw strome was traded for spooner. Not sure on value of him either, I know he was a decent up and comer on the bruins before the Nash trade but reading the comments, rangers fans seem happy. Saying they got Strome who has better numbers across the board, and $3.1 mill isn’t cheap for him, but $4 mill for spooner is far worse. Both have this season and next left. Is that not a pretty lateral move at best for oilers being so close to the Cap?

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16 Nov 2018 23:23:45
NYR retain $900K so they aren't saving any money Jim. Oilers still paying the same $3.1M For Spooner as they were Strome.
Spooner was drafted by Chia and Spooner and Lucic were on Boston at the same time so I like a little connection there.
I think it's just like Pitt-LAK trade. One for one change of scenery. Should see more of these type of change up when guys are struggling. Small risk high reward deals of the guy can turn it around.

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16 Nov 2018 23:34:47
If the coach and GMs jobs are safe then I'm glad they made a little shake up in another way. I was hoping for a minor trade for a week or two now. Also playing 4-1 Koskinen tomorrow in Calgary. Two good decisions in the same day. Kinda messed up as an Oiler fan 😜🍻✊🏿.

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17 Nov 2018 00:20:03
Yeah, just read the retention part. Makes more sense. I guess the rangers fans I was reading hadn’t heard about the retention either lol if spooner can maybe have some chemistry with lucic it would be worth it for sure.

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17 Nov 2018 02:42:12
Saw this on the buzz as well. So after all the dust has settled:

To NYI: Mathew Barzal, Anthony Beauvillier, Jordan Eberle

To EDM: Ryan Spooner, 2019 3rd rounder

😳.

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17 Nov 2018 14:55:34
Who's to say the Oilers would have taken Barzel wth that pick? I haven't seen the scouts lists from that draft, have you? You could honestly say this about every draft pick trade in the world "Omg bat pick was so and so".
It's like saying imagine if the Oilers had of taken Mathew Tkuchuk instead of Puljujarvi, but the rumor was that they had Sergachev in their radar until CLB took PLD.
Jordan Eberle for Strome was strictly and cap move and the thought was Puljujarvi was ready for a top six RW spot. That hasn't worked out yet. Not saying it was a good trade or defending it at all, Just saying a little reasoning behind it. 😀 I wish Eberle and a 1st could have gotten a top 4 D man. 😄😄. The game has drastically changed to speed and skill over the last few seasons.
I really like Chia making a minor trade for a little shake up tho since the coach and GMs jobs are apperently safe for now. Last season I was so mad at Chia for not doing anything in the season before Christmas. Could have replaced Sekera (injury) start of season not give fringe guys bigger roles, Could have gotten a winger, needed a backup once LB played back to back nights in Toronto and Montreal when talbot was I just in November. Waited until Jan to trade for Montoya. Those little things are crappy. So in glad he has at least made a minor trade now early this season.

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17 Nov 2018 15:52:06
The thing is yup he was projected to go 8th overall then fell. Before his injury he was projected to go 3rd overall. He was clearly the best choice.

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17 Nov 2018 19:30:03
@yupp, you’re right no one knows for sure, but that the way it is. Leafs traded a pick that became Seguin. Kessel and Seguin are forever linked. Canucks traded Schneider for 9th overall and drafted Horvat with it. That’s what’s always going to be the assumed return.

I could assume that Burke would have taken Gudbranson at 2nd instead of Seguin and Duncan Siemens at 9th he next year instead of Hamilton, so we stole that Kessel trade, but reality is bruins gave us Kessel and got Seguin and Hamilton. Islanders gave oilers Reinhart and got Barzal And Beauvillier (eventually)

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18 Nov 2018 01:58:31
i always liked that schnieder trade, that was a fun draft to watch, i mean vancouver traded the wrong goalie i guess, schnieder was lights out for a long time with no help in front of him in jersey, has definately fallen off hard in the last calendar year. while bobby lou is also still playing good puck,

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16 Nov 2018 15:00:14
Pacioretty - 4 pts
Neal - 4 pts
Bennet - 3 pts
Ekblad - 3 pts
Kopitar - 6 pts
Ehlers - 8 pts

Tough starts.

Hoffman now has a 14 game point streak going and broke Pavel Bures 18 year franchise record.

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16 Nov 2018 15:49:49
You could add Karlsson to that list as well. he still doesn't have a goal yet. No goals yet.

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16 Nov 2018 16:07:45
Ya forgot EK he has 10 points I think? No goals? Shieeeet.

Kopitar man. What gives.

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16 Nov 2018 16:11:33
Timo Mier doing well.
Skinner also. Good trade for Buffalo there wow. Hoffman trade for Florida too.

Someone i thought about last year not doing so well is Abdelkader. He was taken over Kessel for USA Sochi wasn't he? and has dropped off the map in recent years. How's he doing this year.

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16 Nov 2018 16:35:11
As for Kopitar, he's puzzling. I know last year he had over 90pts., which I don't expect him to get, I see him as more a 60 to 70 pt guy who is a perennial Selke. ( which I jus had a captain obvious moment), so he should be in the 13 to 16 point range. but the Kings are a mess. it's time to blow em up and start over.

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16 Nov 2018 00:34:20
So, Cox actually came up with the idea Leafs trade Matthews to Buffalo for Dahlin + Eichel.

Its Dubas’ job to ice the best possible team at all times, and Matthews dislocating both shoulders in a year has to be concerning. If Buffalo would dare contenplate this, should Dubas pull the trigger?

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16 Nov 2018 02:48:12
Who is going with Mathews? Reilly Liligren NYlander?

Mathews and Eichel are equals. and Dahlin is the top D prospect in years. Cox is an idiot.

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16 Nov 2018 07:12:10
Cox is an idiot! I think we can all agree on that!

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16 Nov 2018 08:09:34
This could only come from a Leafs media member, wow.
At this point, AM might have a slightly higher value than Eichel, although Eichel already has that semi-decent long-term deal signed.
But thinking the difference is Dahlin, who by many is called a generational D talent? Suuuure.

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16 Nov 2018 11:51:52
Did Cox actually list anyone to trade Mathews for in his tweet? I didn't see that just that he did suggest they consider trading Mathews. For a young talent with a few years left on a deal and a significant piece on the start of ELC. Buffalo laughs at this trade btw. If buffalo was dumb enough to offer Dahlin and eichel for Mathews Dubas I would hope would say yes as fast as he could.

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16 Nov 2018 14:35:38
I didn't see it Yupp, I only commented on what LeafsGM posted. so. if Cox proposed that trade. ya he's out to lunch , however if he just said trade him. well I've been saying that for months.

How bout this.
To Toronto.
OEL
Galchenyuk
Crouse
To Arizona
Mathews
Gardiner.

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16 Nov 2018 14:44:24
Cox Tweet reads as "Tavares is playing so well it make you think ; why not sign Marner and Nylander, and trade Mathews for a pile of goodies? Not saying they would, but it's not such a crazy idea anymore. And that's because of JT. Something significant that helps now and is under contract for 3 years, plus something significant that is just starting entry level" Damien Cox Nov 14, 2018.

He's not suggesting they trade Mathews. I think he's just saying that it's not a crazy idea anymore? What do you guys think he's suggesting wth that tweet?

I didn't see anything about him brining up Dahlin and Eichel.

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16 Nov 2018 14:45:55
I don't think he's an idiot for simply suggesting it's not a crazy idea to think about it.
If he actually suggested buffalo would trade eichel and Dahlin for Mathews, now he's an idiot. Lol.
Interesting coming from a manner of the Toronto media and not somewhere else tho.

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16 Nov 2018 16:30:49
Ahhh. I misread his twitter feed. Someone else suggested the trade in response to his original tweet. My bad. Cox wasn’t brave enough to make any suggestions himself.

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16 Nov 2018 17:14:34
That makes more sense LeafsGM. I take back my Cox is an idiot statement lol.

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16 Nov 2018 17:15:24
Sosa that’s a terrible offer almost as bad as the buffalo one proposed Galchenyuk=Gardiner. Crouse is 4th line AHLer and OEL=Rielly.

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16 Nov 2018 17:56:34
If Crouse and Lucic were the same cap hit I’d take Lucic all day. Atleast he brings a presence of intimidation.

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16 Nov 2018 19:02:05
@sosa

I find it interesting that Cox says we should trade Matthews, and even suggests outline of the type of trade we should be seeking, but didn’t have the guts to actually post a proposal himself.

At minimal, he got people talking and attracting attention to himself. Which is his job I guess. Lol.

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16 Nov 2018 20:04:12
My thought VB. OEL and Crouse equal Marhews. and Galchenyuk is equal to or better than Gardiner.
Crouse is jus a big body. maybe some grit, and he's young enough to still grow. if you would prefer a pick or someone else who could add grit.
You would have your number 1 D. Your number 2 center, and some size in the bottom 6.

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16 Nov 2018 22:34:56
@yupp, When you first brought up Damien Cox you didn’t seem too familiar with him and I started typing “you’re going to find out in a hurry what people think of Damien Cox” but then I didn’t bother. This is the reaction I was expecting lol He’s not saying they will or should trade AM here, so I don’t think he’s an idiot for this tweet whatsoever, but just about anyone who knows this guys history as a writer, specifically in Toronto, but anywhere really thinks he’s an idiot lol there have been petitions and attempts to have him removed from tv panels and radio shows multiple times lol until that Sportsnet George Strombo debacle, he was enemy #1 of a lot of fans.

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16 Nov 2018 20:44:56
@sosa, I respectfully disagree lol galchenyuk is not equal or more value than Gardiner. He’s a talented guy, still has time to put up better years (seen it with B. schenn and now Max Domi recently) but until he does, he’s a 45-55 pt forward who lacks intensity. Gardiner is a 40-50 pt Dman.

And if that is the return for Matthews, I wouldn’t consider it at all. A 21 year old franchise centreman for a really good 28 year old Dman and a very underwhelming prospect? It would have to be an unbelievable package to consider trading Matthews and that just isn’t one.

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16 Nov 2018 20:46:06
I’d prefer a a 7th round pick over crouse lol Mathews> 2x OEL.

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16 Nov 2018 21:03:25
A package for a top 3 player in the NHL should include a 1D, top F, top prospect and 1st

Mathews for Trochek, Eklblad, Tippet/ Borgstrom And 1st 2019

Mathews will not be traded and Oilers fans to the leafs fans think of a package that is worth McDavid because the gap between both players is very small. Sosa would you have traded Jean Beliveau for Doug Mohns, Charlie Burns And Jim Bartlett?

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16 Nov 2018 23:31:38
Well VB. I may be off. but calling Mathews a top 3 in the league. that's off as well. Also. don't compare Jean Beliveau to Mathews. 0ne was the most respected and dignafied gentleman the league has seen. other. an arrogant American csucker ( jk. jus want to fire you guys up) well kind of kidding.

Jim, you made a good point, and I think your probably right. I undervalue Mathews at time. obviously you want to keep him. But, what do you think is fair for Mathews?

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17 Nov 2018 00:25:04
I don’t know what would actually be fair because the idea of it is really far fetched to me. I don’t think VBB is far off though to be honest. It would have to be a top pair D, young roster top 6 player, top prospect and a 1st to consider.

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17 Nov 2018 01:02:29
I just don't see it in that guy. that he's worth that much. maybe he is.
I don't thimk he is a big game guy. he can easily be taken out of the game, when the games really matter. Maybe he will prove me wrong. and, now with the shoulder issues at his age, I'd try and trade him, get as much as I could. so of you could get what VB suggested. take it and run.

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17 Nov 2018 06:51:10
Yeah, I’m not worried about him enough to trade him. Also I know you have a hate on for him, kinda like VBs hate on for Faulk and that’s okay lol but I don’t see how he isn’t a big game player though. He didn’t have a good playoff round vs the Bruins last year, can’t deny that, but he was hurt late in the regular season, never got his game back to top form and was just plain outplayed by the best line in hockey that season (berg/ March/ pasta) and shut down by Bergeron which can be said about a lot of top players over the last decade.

But he was great in his only other playoff series vs the Caps. Lots of clutch GWGs during his 2+ seasons, OT and Late goals when games are on the line. Has scored the winner in 10% of the games he’s played in the NHL, not just the games his team has won, but all the ones he’s played in. Hopefully he gets healthy and gets a chance to prove you wrong in May and June this season 😉 lol the way the leafs are playing, doesn’t seem like a need to rush him back Either, makes sure he’s right when he plays. Having Tavares/ Kadri holding down the fort instead of Kadri/ Bozak like last year should allow them to be more patient with him.

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17 Nov 2018 20:08:14
Jim . I would be happy to see your team play in May and June. but not with that guy. as long as he wears a Maple Leafs Jersey, Leafs will be viewed by me same as I view the Bruins (spit) 🤬🤮🤭

Hopefully if they do make finals. play the Jets. Laine can show the world why he's better.

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17 Nov 2018 22:16:46
Lol okay. Still don’t understand what he’s done besides being born in America and drafted by the leafs to be hated though lol always been a great player, never been a dirty player, not outspoken, never whines to a ref, never taken a dive or embellished. All I know he’s done that rubbed some people the wrong way is he had a cpl pretty colourful celebrations (like 3 or 4 out of his 84 nhl goals) . But if that’s the bar for you hating a good player, you should have been disgusted with Subban. He’s the most penalized player in the leagues new fine based diving rules and he always celebrates goals in a loud an extravagant fashion.

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18 Nov 2018 01:49:07
Sosa just don't like Americans it goes right back to the war of 1812 lol.

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18 Nov 2018 05:26:12
Lol gotcha.

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15 Nov 2018 20:31:38
I don't want to get in a argument or anything but I wanted to let Leafs fan know that I think they might of had the steal of the 2018 draft with Rasmus Sandin. This guy has a chance to be the best defensemen of his draft after Rasmus Dahlin. Nothing against Dobson,Hughes or Bouchard but at number 29 Sandin is a steal. Watch 2 Marlies game this season and was very impress by is mobility

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15 Nov 2018 21:47:12
He’s looked really good. Very mobile, seems to have high iq and didn’t look overwhelmed or out of place in his preseason games. To see him as a regular in the lineup before liljegren I wouldn’t be shocked, because I’ve seen them play side by side, but to compare him to any of the others you mentioned, I have no clue.

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15 Nov 2018 22:05:01
I let it be known on here on draft day how much I liked the pick by the leafs. saw him play a few times live in his draft year and was impressed each time. Fits the mold of today's dman to a tee. I was hoping he was going to slip to the 2nd round so the habs could get him with one of their picks.

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