23 Aug 2014 00:26:08
More leaf trades for people (who don't watch the leafs) to crap on haha
Sens:Marc methot
Leafs:round 2 pick 2016,Aki berg/korbinian holzer
Methot will be Ufa.maybe cash strapped Ottawa has too do this too sign ryan
Wings:Darren helm
Leafs:Cody franson,round 3 pick 2016
Fills positional needs for both teams IMO
Sabres:Christian isackson(he's ranked as sabres 10th best RW prospect)
Leafs:David clarkson,Peter holland
Is Hollands value(2nd rd pickish) enough for sabres to take clarkson.
Sign Sheldon brookbank 1year1millionish
Leafs lineup(booth I know but I like that 3rd line together.
Bernier reimer
Methot phaneuf
Gardiner robidas
Reilly polak
Brookbank
Jvr bozak kessel
Booth kadri lupul
Komarov helm frattin
Bodie santorelli winnik
Ashton kontiola
Burp

1.) 23 Aug 2014
Aki berg haha as a leaf fan I wouldn't complain about this good post

2.) 23 Aug 2014
We will not execute a trade with a division rival--our biggest rival. Methot will most likely be resigned, if not, he will almost certainly head to the Western Conference.

3.) 23 Aug 2014
You're giving up a good prospect or draft pick just to make clarksons value nothing. May as well hold on to him and see what he does next year

4.) 23 Aug 2014
Hollands value is not 2nd round pick-ish. More like a 4th. Maybe a mid-late 3rd if a team is desperate for centers. You don't give a 2nd for an AHLer whos will at best be a 3rd line NHLer in his prime.

5.) 23 Aug 2014
23 Aug 2014 13:17:42
@puckoverglass


You clearly didn't watch him play or else you would know he's only 23 years old and has plenty of room to grow. He has good puck skills and vision and he's a tall centre. He put up all his points this year playing under 7 minutes a night and was poorly utilized by a veteran preferred coach in Carlyle. So to say he's worth a 4th is absolutely ludicrous.

6.) 23 Aug 2014
Marc Methot for a mid round 2016 2nd, just does not seem to be enough for a top 4 d-man (although that is similar to what MTL received when they traded Gorges to BUF).
IMO DET would have to add the pick. Cody Franson led all TML d-men in points & hits (#2 in the NHL), and was 3rd in blocked shots & minutes played.
I am certainly not a GM, but David Clarkson & Peter Holland for nothing really appeals to me. I do not follow the leafs that closely, but I read the reason Clarkson got the big bucks was the leafs envisioned him on the top line offering grit and NJD leadership. He had a very bad season last year, I do not know the reasons, but as a gritty RW protecting Reinhart and Moulson, I could see a 6 year career for him in BUF.

7.) 23 Aug 2014
I am definitely looking for feedback on this if Toronto fans think it is TOO biased to BUF.
TML trades Cody Franson, David Clarkson, Peter Holland & 2016 3rd to BUF for Marcus Foligno & Mike Weber.
The trade above was essentially giving away Clarkson and Holland. Foligno (23 yo, 206 hits, 6 fights, 50 pts 135 gms) & Helm (27 yo, 73 hits, 0 fights, 103 pts 291 gms) are reasonably even statistically with Foligno offering more grit and Helm more defense. Weber (208 hits, 5 fights) cannot take the place of Franson but may make the trade even. Foligno and Weber would somewhat replace the grit lost when trading Clarkson and Franson. If I were the BUF GM I would make this trade then trade both Stewart & Stafford for picks and prospects and sign Dustin Penner to fill in until the kids are ready. I think the trade favors BUF a lot but if the goal is to get rid of Clarkson maybe this would work.

8.) 23 Aug 2014
@sbr2017 maybe you're right about value on franson/helm deal,personally I think helm is awesome and Detroit would want a lot for him
@hockeygodsgift thanks for the brookbank idea
@puckoverglass you are offside,the leafs traded a conditional pick 2/3(becomes a 2nd round if holland plays 25 games which he did) and a 7th rounder and Jesse blacker for Peter holland and brad staubitz last year. Holland played we'll in limited ice time for the leafs
@drownedfish clarkson and holland are good but clarksons contract is brutal and If this is enough for sabres to take him off out hands I would make this deal
These deals would give toronto roughly 3.645 million cap room after Orr is traded/sent to minors

9.) 23 Aug 2014
@ nova65/Bryan Murray teams do trade with their division rivals.i think 9 times out of 10 they take the best offer they get.

10.) 24 Aug 2014
To all comments above, great dialogue and exchange of ideas, a lot better discussing the trades than making fun of the person making the trade.

11.) 24 Aug 2014
Franson hits but I wouldn't call him a gritty player by any means. I like foligno I think he's a little better than clarkson and doesn't have his contract however you're suggestion makes the leafs worse at center, defence the two positions they could use help or an upgrade it.

12.) 24 Aug 2014
Aki Berg?!

13.) 24 Aug 2014
@sbr2017 why would the leafs make this deal you proposed. My suggestion might make the leafs better an you're suggestion makes the leafs worse.don't take over/high jack peoples posts you should make you're own.

14.) 24 Aug 2014
Drgonzo I am really sorry about high jacking your post. I thought I was suggesting a proposal that was similar but with different players. Not a big difference between Helm and Foligno and Weber is a depth d-man. I assure you I will never high jack any of your posts again. Good luck and thanks for the positive feed back.

15.) 24 Aug 2014
I should have said this at the top I guess.the leafs need help at center and defence if they want any chance at the cup this year IMO and this is one way I think they could get it.

16.) 24 Aug 2014
So the leafs would make you're trade why? I understand why you're team would make a deal like that but I'm curious about why you thought you're trade could work for toronto. No apology needed

17.) 25 Aug 2014
What a joke.way to avoid the question of why the wordhere does toronto do this.it is laughable that so many people agree with you and not one person is justifying you're rediculous suggestion in words. #recount

18.) 25 Aug 2014
If so many people agree with sbr could just one of you explain it to me please.i have never seen anyone get so many agrees without any words to back them up.

19.) 25 Aug 2014
Hey great feedback, I really appreciate it.
This was your post:
Wings:Darren Helm
Leafs:Cody Franson,round 3 pick 2016
I changed Helm to Foligno & added Weber. Helm & Foligno can play center and each have almost identical FO% (49.1% of 548 FO; & 48.5% of 301 FO respectively), similar scoring (.354 pts/gm; .370 pts/gm respectively) , Helm offers more D, Foligno offers grit & I included Weber as a dept D-man which you did not have coming back in your trade.

This was your post:
Sabres: Christian Isackson (he's ranked as Sabres 10th best RW prospect)
Leafs: David Clarkson, Peter Holland
I took out Isackson but I can put him back so my suggested trade now looks like this:
Marcus Foligno, Christian Isackson & Weber for David Clarkson, Peter Holland, Cody Franson & round 3 pick 2016
Actually, if you look closely at my post, I twice said I thought the trade favored the SBR and I was looking for feedback. Also, if you noticed the proposed trade received 18 believable and only 3 unbelievable, now maybe the believable was meant to refer and agreeing that the trade favored BUF TOO much.
Great discussion that is what this is suppose to be about.

20.) 25 Aug 2014
If Murray was willing to make this trade he would be my friend forever:
Marcus Foligno, Christian Isackson & Weber for David Clarkson, Peter Holland, Cody Franson & round 3 pick 2016. The trade lowers the team cap by $5,000,000 and Foligno had the better season than Clarkson, he can play center as well as LW. Essentially BUF is trading Foligno and Weber for Franson & 3rd.

21.) 25 Aug 2014
Foligno can play center so can I doesn't mean I'm a fit or any good at it man.i still think you're suggestion makes the leafs worse at center and defence.i thought sbr and goleafsgo were the same person under two names, maybe I read something wrong yw for the feedback

22.) 25 Aug 2014
How many times are you voting sbr.

23.) 26 Aug 2014
My trade gives the leafs cap room too and it makes the leafs better.i agree sbr you're trade does Favor the sabres.no chance it happens IMO but clearly the people agree(with clicks anyway)oh and goleafsgo agrees with you again lol great discussion. Thanks for all the feedback. Lol