11 Dec 2018 22:03:52
Just a thought of some trade idea for Toronto
Trade #1
Toronto trades
Kadri,Johannson,1st in 2019 ziatsev and Lijigren
St.louis trades
Petrangelo, bouwmeester and bertuzzo

Or
Trade #2
Toronto trades
Johanson,Bracco and 1st in 2019
St.louis trades
Parayko and Bertuzzo

1.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 22:16:28
Wow those are awesome done.

Lmfao you and pinball are the best.

2.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 22:28:22
St. Louis gets killed in both trades.

3.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 22:47:11
No thanks on bortuzzo. I get there’s been fights at team practices before during losing streaks when frustration boils over and there will be more in the future, but it’s usually a cpl shoves and some tussling etc. Any guy that would drop his gloves before a teammate and throw 4-5 haymakers, hitting him clean on the jaw with 2 of them, is an idiot. Could you imagine if he actually gave Sanford a concussion or broke his jaw or something because he’s not smart enough to control his emotions? Playing on the edge in a game and maybe crossing the line sometimes can be explained. That garbage can’t. It’s a shame Martin couldn’t keep up to play a regular shift on Babcocks team because he was tough as nails but knew the lines.

4.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 22:56:17
Lol redwing or colt whatever your name is. The 1st offer is a stronger package for Pietrangelo than the offer you suggested for Seguin. No clue.

5.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 01:09:39
Cherrydon, that's a joke of a proposal. Please explain how this addresses teams needs. Better yet I will break it down

Kadr-a center we d o not need
Johnson- a bottom 6 forward we do not need
Zaitsev- a 5-6 dmasn cap dump 5 byv4.5 that we do not not need.

Liljgren top four potential dma n (only good value)
1st round pick 31 overall not that great our second will be 32 34.

So no sheet trade.

6.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 02:26:44
I think it's hilarious that you think that's a good package
You been playing nhl 95 lately.

7.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 11:34:42
apperantly the blues need ro change nothing and everything in value coming in is useless despite the fact that the blues are on the downswing, don't have a first and sir #29 in the league.

8.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 11:38:26
Did I say it was a good package? No, I said it was a stronger offer than you mentioned for Seguin. that was it.

9.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 12:38:13
No that's not it at all but they shouldn't trade core pieces for a bunch of lesser crap.

Hey why doesn't Toronto trade marner for Steen, kyrou, 2nd 2019, Edmondson and sundqvuist.

Quantity doesn't equal quality. Maybe the blues problem is coaching and system.

10.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 14:01:09
Still not making reference to my comment redwing. Your package for Seguin is a joke.

11.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 14:15:49
Colt, you might be right, but they already fired the coach and it’s not better. That usually means a trade is coming and often times it’s someone of significance. Hawks fired Q and things haven’t got any better, worse if anything, and now you’re hearing core players in the rumours. That’s what happens.

12.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 14:33:01
That doesn’t mean you have to trade them for crap, I agree. But the blues will be the ones looking for the shakeup, that often has you at a disadvantage. A lot of the offers I’ve seen on here, mostly by leaf fans, have been soft at best. But there have been a few that aren’t bad at all.

That first one is a lot, Kadri is a really good player on a team friendly deal, still only 27 or 28. Liljegren is a really good prospect, a 1st is a 1st, probably late but you never know, leafs could match up with Tampa first round and that pick can be a 20. Johnsson is a young player who has put up offense everywhere he’s gone and has elite speed, zaitsev is a capable Dman at a fair to slightly high cap hit (just too much term left to call it a good contract)

Coming back we have pietrangelo who is elite. Boewmeester who was good but is outdated and basically a salary dump And Bortuzzo who is a plug I wouldn’t want anyway. You might not want that, and that’s fine. But that’s not a terrible offer.

13.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 14:36:57
yeah so trade an elite top 10 dman for sheet. Really. Explain how that makjes blues better it doesnt. Also Name 1 time and assistant coach took over and ran with a team. Made that team better. Sorry you don't trade your best players for table scraps. Come up with a legit trade scenario or don't post at all.

14.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 15:10:50
Just like scraps for Seguin?

15.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 15:17:30
I call Pietro an elite player, almost everyone would. Think back to the last 5-10 ‘elite’ or star players that were traded in the NHL and tell me if you think they ever got the return their fan base thought they would. Karlsson? Kessel? Hall? Seguin? All the way back to Thornton? If 3 months before those trades, those returns were proposed, fans would have laughed. As they did with the Karlsson one (see Rambo) . Only exception I see is subban for Weber where they traded single star players 1 for 1 which is about as rare a move as there is. When you give up the best player, it always seems underwhelming but how you handle the assets can make it a win.

16.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 15:51:54
There is a difference between the petro situation and those suggested situations. Those players had soured on their teams and Vice versa. All those players wanted out of their situations. This isn't the case for petro. Hall was traded for what the GM though was a #1 d. The GMS who made those aweful trades have a history of being idiots and making bad trades. Doug Armstrong doesn't have that track record.

Blues will just resign Petro. If you want him Over pay if not we will resign him. I am glad you wasted your time making false comparisons. When petro gets a high return or when he is resigned I will come back to this.

17.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 16:01:26
Lol okay. I think he’s worth a lot. I’m not denying that. He’s a great player. I would like him on the leafs. But that last part of what you said is almost a direct quote of Rambo’s a week before the Karlsson trade and then he went AWOL for a cpl months when he was supposed to be gloating about the great return. I’m not guaranteeing they will trade Pietro, and I’m not saying he gets a bad return. But if you think a top 6 player at $4.5 mill, good young forward on an ELC, a top D prospect, a 1st round pick and a 26 year old NHL Dman is a terrible return, you could be disappointed if he is traded.

And Armstrong doesn’t have a track record of terrible trades, you’re right. He also doesn’t have a track record of sitting on his hands and hoping for the best. He makes moves. We will see if a core player is moved or if he stays firm with them. We can wait and find out.

18.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 17:44:41
Why would he trade his best, irreplaceable top pairing #1 Rhd dmen for things the blues do not need. Jim i get that you desire These guys and since the blues are not doing good you think the leafs are entitled to trade them to the leafs for what you want to give up. The fact is you have not addressed the blues team needs. Once again i will break this down.

-Petro- sheet trade offer

(1)Kadri 2c- Blues have ROR, Brayden Schenn, Tyler Bozak, Robert Thomas, Ivan Barbashev, Oscar sundqvuist. So We don't need Kadri on this team.

(2) A Johnnson- a 24 year old who is on pace for about 20g 20A on a great team. He is nothing special and defiantly not a game changer for this trade and he plays the left wing which is a staple on the blues.

(3)1st rnd 2019 (29-31 rnage) Super high first. isn't that crucial since we will have a top 3 pick and probably 32-34 pick already.

(4) Zaitsev- He is a Bad Bottom Pairing DMan who has virutally no points and signed for 5 years at 4.5 million. This is basically a really long cap dump. NO THANKS if we were to take him you would have to increase the value.

(5)Liljgren- top four potential, struggling a bit in AHL but the best piece in this trade offer not nearly enough.

You want petro think of the following or find another

Nylander Lijgren 1st

Kapp Liljgren Sandin 1st (small add on blues)


parayko sheet trade

This trade was even more hilarious. Stupidest offer ever. The fact you think there is value just shows how much a bias homer you are.

Lets break this down

(1)Johnson- Read what i wrote above. Nothing Special
(2)Bracco- This kid is a life time AHL player. Good luck offering that guy for a bag of pucks. LOL what a joke.
(3)1st 2019- doesn't have much value by itself. Especially since our 2nd pick will be like 1-3 positions after.

Then you have the nerve to add our tough mobile 3rhd man in like he is a throw in at his cap hit. LOL your a joke this thread is a joke.

19.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 17:56:23
It’s always difficult for a fan to accept that one of his team’s star performers and favourite players has begun to degenerate in performance and deteriorate in value. Certainly anyone watching Duncan Keith’s performance the last couple years would have been shocked and disappointed with how rapid his play dropped from top of league to below average defenseman.

Even before the injury to his hand that has him on LTIR, Pietrangelo was dropping down the NHL performance rankings. Virtually every article I read about him stressed how disappointing he had been on a team full of disappointments. Even if he returns this year, I have a hard time seeing him dealt before deadline now. Which means that come off season, Pietrangelo will be in same position as Karlsson last year. To expect Pietrangelo to bring a higher return than Karlsson is wishful thinking at best.

As Jim alluded to, history tells us most trades involving impactful players of Pietrangelo’s capability are lopsided and rarely fetch the kind of return that can be viewed as either rational or acceptable. The team moving the player is at a disadvantage because their hand is being forced to act, and either they make a move or risk losing him for nothing. It’s a cutthroat business. That’s just the nature of the game.

20.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 18:06:36
I didn’t Have the nerve to add anything lol I didn’t make the proposal, nor did I say they were great trades. I said the second one is bad but the 1st one isn’t all crap. I said most of the offers for petro have been really bad lol did yupper move to Missouri, or what?!

Like I said before, wait and see. We don’t have to keep going. If he gets traded we can find out. If not, that’s fine. We could use an upgrade on d, but it’s not necessary to get a star like petro. Just need a solid player. He would be a nice luxury.

21.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 18:29:22
Colt the evader! The trade offers would not get Petro. I agree. But your offer of edmundson schwartz and a 1st is no where close for Seguin. The only point i was trying to make.

22.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 19:00:53
I am just following the ideology that quantity of lesser pieces gets you quality players. that's the point i am making. its a bad offer not only was it quantity for quality it wasnt enough. Screeeew seguin. don't deflect from the stupidity of this prop.

23.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 20:30:21
The only reference to the trade I made was that was that the package for Peteo is stronger than the one you made for Seguin. that's it that's all. Seguin is more valuable that Petro. Again. stunned.

24.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 20:38:02
The original proposals are bad but Colt your rebuttals are just as bad or worse.

"You want petro think of the following or find another

Nylander Lijgren 1st"

Friedman said that he thinks the Leafs discussed trading for Petro but balked at the idea of trading him 1 for 1 for Nylander (mainly because he is six years younger with contract certainty vs. Petro who will be a free agent soon) .

I could see a small add made either way to balance it out but the fact you think the Leafs would add Liljegren and a 1st is completely unrealistic and homerism at its finest. That's entering Rambo territory of ignorance.

25.) 13 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 23:20:01
Friedman really ok. They have no idea what the ask was it could have been marner or they called and Armstrong said no. They have no clue. I swear when you qouet a bad so called insider and speculate on his speculation it's hilarious. Proverbial blind leadongvthe blind.

26.) 13 Dec 2018
13 Dec 2018 02:04:58
Yeah your sources are far more connected I guess

Nylander a 1st and Liljegren 😂.

27.) 13 Dec 2018
13 Dec 2018 04:21:01
I didn't see have a source. I stated value.

28.) 13 Dec 2018
13 Dec 2018 16:27:24
Hold up. let's not forget the last "eliete" player the blues traded away. What was your return on Shattenkirk Colt?