13 Sep 2016 22:50:59
Trouba for Hopkins? Winnipeg gets one of the best 2 way centers in the league (for you k99). Scheifele, Hopkins and Little would make a respectable group of centers. Edmonton gets one of the best, most fierce RHD in the league (for you islandjet) . Edmonton's d core is set. I don't know all the rules for the expansion draft so maybe this is not a good proposal. As far as value goes, who adds?

1.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 00:32:03
Hopkins is very overrated by people in the west. If you watched Hockey Night in Canada last year, you will know the east sees him for what he is now. However, I love the desire Nuge has and he is a very smart player. Winnipeg should not make this deal.

2.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 02:15:51
Why do you say Hopkins is one of the best two-way centres? He's not on the level of Bergeron or Getzlaf (obviously) or even Backlund of the Flames. I'm not say Backlund is better, he is just a better player defensively.

Hopkins is a very good 2nd line centre who would benefit from more offensive zone starts the defensive. He just happens to play on a team where the only other centres are a rookie and a sophomore who was given way too much in his first year. He's just the best centre defensively on a team with terrible centres.

3.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 04:20:40
Edm takes it, doesn't make sense for peg.

4.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 06:30:14
Alberta moose he clearly stated why he said that lol. But
Nuge is capable of playing 1st line minutes as he's done it for basically his whole career (yes he was rushed) but two years ago he was edmontons best player and Iv seen lots of articles saying he's starting to look like that again in the World Cup. However, yes on Edmonton he's starting to get lost in the depth of center, which is a very good problem for Edmonton. Like I said, he can be a first like center, but he will perform the best if he's a 2nd line center, like you said. Nuge is a very good 2 way player, and as everyone says "we" overrate him, some do, but clearly half the people here don't watch him close enough to see all the little things he does.
But like I already said, he is a good 2nd line center.

5.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 08:28:31
Nearly 60 point center that is known for his defence does have tons of value. He's not flashy and won't wow you but if anything he gets undervalued because he isn't as offensive as other number 1 overalls.

6.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 09:26:55
I'm not sure why this doesn't make sense Lindss. I agree Hopkins is over rated, especially on this site. However, he is a solid #2 center to have behind Scheifele and fits in with the young talent Winnipeg has on the wing. Little could be used more for special teams and center depth. McJ and Ebs, would you guys make the deal or not?

7.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 12:00:28
Somehow I knew this would turn into a RNH debate lol. Anyways like you said Jets have Schiefele and Little down the middle. Both are under 30 and should be good for 55+ points. I don't see the Jets trading Trouba for another forward, let alone a C. The Jets need/ want a top 4 LHD D. Unfortunately, as good as RNH is defensively he isn't that.

8.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 12:29:42
Winnipeg wins easily, Edmonton has enough project/ maybe defence men, can't give up proven centre for a maybe.

9.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 12:41:13
comparing backlund to Nuge is ridiculous.

10.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:00:40
Especially since trouba wants more money than Nuge, even if equal salary, Nuge is way more valuable than a #5 defenseman with potential.

11.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:10:08
And ya, why would jets want Nuge or little playing a checking line role? Doesn't make to much sense. Davidson had 2 less goals than trouba last year in 30 less games. trouba should have less value then Davidson considering money. Not an Oilers fan but rather have Davidson at 1.4m next two years than trouba at 6-7mil for 6-7 years.

12.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:20:08
Alberta moose. Like how you say mcdavid is terrible. And draisital? Nuge? If anything centre is Edmontons only strength. Hardly think they have terrible centres.

13.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:48:04
Shoots: you can put your thoughts in one post. I believe he was saying that nuge was given the number one centre role so early because they were a team that was terrible at centre when he came along. I don't believe anyone is saying mcdavid is terrible lol however Trouba is not a 5th dman who just has potential. He has 211 NHL games at 22 years old in the tough western conference. If Nurse plays another 150 games against NHL players and succeeds I doubt oilers fans would agree he is just a fringe player that MIGHT be good one day. Trouba is a very good player who is rubbing people the wrong way with dragged out contract negotiations, but that doesn't make him a bad player on the ice. Be serious.

14.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 14:18:48
I don't mind it.

15.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 15:23:06
This would need to be addressed after the expansion draft as the Oilers have their 3 protected D on the roster already.

Trouba didn't play very good in his first X game.
He was lights out in his first few seasons, but has tapered off.
RNH on the other hand is finally getting some looks from people outside of Oil country. He is getting better and is finally starting to get some size to him.

His 2 way play makes him a very valuable player for the team, so giving him strait up for Trouba who seems to be struggling a bit right now is a bad deal for the Oilers.

Best to wait until the end of the season to evaluate both players and see what Trouba's contract ends up being. If it's RNH for 7.5/ year playing like he is now Trouba. easy no way for Edmonton.

16.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 15:24:02
RNH is a solid center that is a solid #2 center. The Jets have Schiefele and Little as their top 2 centers and RNH would be in the mix as a great 2b. That's not a knock on RNH as the Jets top 3 forward lines are flexible and RNH could be playing with Perreault, Connor, Petan, Stafford even Liane as all three lines would get a lot of playing time. But at $6 mil RNH would be too expensive for Wpg and they would rather use the cash toward Trouba who should sign for less than that.
Trouba is listening to his agent who has a reputation of over valuing his player and wanting way more $ than he is worth. Trouba would be a solid r-shot D that the Oilers desperately need, but the Jets would still need a l-shot d-man. I don't think Wpg or Ed makes this trade at this time.

17.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 15:40:48
Leafs17
Yes there's a debate. RNH is already outplaying Scheiffle at the WHC. This is not anything Oiler fans didn't fully expect. Peg fans are adamant on their assessment of Schieffle being the better of the 2 and don't want to believe. Neutral fans just look at team success and what goes on the scoresheet without watching the intangibles that the actual player has in his game that don't show up such as take aways from opponents, how many times he's provided a great scoring chance and it wasn't cashed in on, and his PK abilities. He's still great on the PP, just not utilized in Edm on the PP. In OT and shootout he's dynamite as well which helps the team out immensely getting those extra points. Watch an OT with him and Eberle sometime. That's fun to watch when they get a hold of the puck.

Regardless of the debate. Long and short of it is that RNH and Scheiffle would be a good 1-2 punch on any team, and at this time it's best for Edm to just keep RNH and let the D develop from within.

Shoots
Agree 100% Edm was thin at center a few years ago and with the amount of injuries in the new NHL center depth is a darn good thing to have. D is coming from within. So No go on trade.

18.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 16:06:24
@McJ
The thing is Hopkins is not capable of playing top line minutes right now. Just because someone has done something for years doesn't mean they're good at it. Shultz isn't a top 4 defenseman even though that's how he was used.
I agree Hopkins is an offensive talent. I'm a very big fan of his since his Rebel days. My issue is people saying he is a two-way centre even though he is bad at defense. Yes he plays against the others team's best players and he's not good at it defensively.

@Shoots
I'm only comparing Backlund (a good two-way centre) to Hopkins (not a two-way centre) in the defensive zone. And in that comparison Backlund is better. Hopkins is much better at offense though.
I'm saying McDavid and Draisaitl are bad at defense. They're both very young and can improve greatly in a few years. Both players are incredible talents.

In short Hopkins is not a two-way centre. That's how he is used and he is bad at half of it.

I think the Oilers would want a deal in place for Trouba before trading for him.

19.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 17:10:25
Lol well you're the only person who thinks Nuge isn't a 2way center then.
Leafs17, would I make the deal? I'd say no.
To me I think it's really important to have 3 very good centerman. Having McDavid, Nuge and Drat is a perfect center depth.
However, I would absolutely trade Nuge for a dman, just not Trouba. Trouba is obviously a good young player with lots of potential, but I just think Edmonton waits for a better player available. So I wouldn't do Nuge for Trouba.

20.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 17:52:30
McDavid and RNH are definetely not bad at defence. RNH lead the league in ice time for a forward two seasons ago and he was top for takeaways as far as I know. And yeah Leafs17 if it weren't for the expansion draft I'd do it. Add Davidson and Lowry for positional needs maybe.