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01 Jul 2017 10:41:18
Kinda had this idea in mind for my Red Wings looking to get Younger while clearing some cap space:

Detroit Trades:
One of Frans Nielson/ Henrik Zetterberg (Assuming they want a cup and willing to move on to get one)
One of Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar (Nashville's choice)
Petr Mrazek

Nashville Trades:
Kevin Fiala
Dante Fabbro
1st 2018
Conditional 2019 2nd that becomes 1st if Nashville reaches cup final once in next two years.
Cap dump

Why for Detroit: Detroit clears cap space and gets young pieces for the rebuild that needs to happen.

Why for Nashville:
Nashville loads up on Offense to prep for a Stanley cup run with their already fantastic Defense. Plus they get a young goalie to help learn from Rinne and eventually take over when he is done(similar to Reimer for Luongo). Nashville takes a lot of cap but sends back bad contracts or asks for salary retention.

Is this plausible in a potential deal? May not be equal? Who adds?

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 01 Jul 2017 14:30:53
Nashville doesn't need Mrazek because they have Saros.


2.) 01 Jul 2017 16:52:09
@KingsLover

Yes they have Saros but Saros wasn't fully ready especially to play Playoff hockey. Mrazek only has slightly more experience. I think because Saros isn't a sure thing, having the ability to run Rinne-Mrazek and then Mrazek-Saros in the future would be great to fill the goalie void so there is no future net concerns after the Rinne era.


 

 

24 Jun 2017 02:45:01
Confirmed Trade:

Philadelphia Trades:
Brayden Schenn

St. Louis Trades:
Jori Lehtera
2017 1st round pick #27
Conditional 2018 first round pick

Wow! Just wow!

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 24 Jun 2017 05:40:08
That's a lot for schenn.


2.) 24 Jun 2017 05:45:36
I think that is terrible for philly. Did they really want this Frost kid or something? I didn't get to watch it but I don't like the deal. St. Louis now has a solid #2 centre who also plays wing.


3.) 24 Jun 2017 06:06:53
Agree with not today.


4.) 24 Jun 2017 10:09:06
I think this move shows that Philly thinks Patrick is ready to play next year.


5.) 24 Jun 2017 11:41:44
I agree hattrick but Schenn also plays wing and philly is weak on the wings. I still don't like it.


6.) 24 Jun 2017 16:34:54
Don't like the trade at all for the Flyers. You took back a near 5 million cap hit that's a stiff ad 2 probable lower 1st round picks, and hope they can both do what Schenn did. Flyers are now a weaker team, Hextall's trades are poor at best.


7.) 24 Jun 2017 20:06:41
I'm guessing they are going for Someone like Neal, Chuck or JVR for the 1st line LW role.


 

 

17 Jun 2017 19:32:37
Incoming Trade that could be confirmed soon:


Arizona Trades:
Mike Smith (Possible Salary retention)

Calgary Trades:
Chad Johnson rights, Brandon Hickey, conditional 3rd round pick

Return and confirmation to come later. Based on tweets by Bob McKenzie

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 17 Jun 2017 20:15:55
Confirmed with retention.


2.) 17 Jun 2017 20:17:35
Honestly great deal for flames imo. They needed a goalie and smith is good. He's older but he can still play.


3.) 17 Jun 2017 21:43:30
Love it for both teams.


4.) 18 Jun 2017 03:06:47
I've always liked Smith.
35 years old with two more years and a NTC, see if it works out for them. He will be pumped to play for a new team now tho (even tho he absolutely loved all his time in Arizona he says) . $6.5M but I think Arizona retained about $1.5M or so.


 

 

29 May 2017 03:24:56
Bold kinda interesting option:

Detroit Trades: Zetterberg, Nyquist, Kronwall, +?

Dallas Trades: 3rd overall, 1st 2018, One of Niemi/Lehtonen

Why Detroit does it: Detroit clears cap and gets quality pieces to help the rebuild.

Why Dallas does it: Dallas gets a boost up front with two Swedish forwards who together add depth to Dallas's offense. Kronwall gives Klingberg a mentor and a veteran to focus on Defense while Klingberg focuses on offense. Dallas also dumps a goalie to make the cap less. Maybe they add another cap dump to lessen salary.This is to help for a cup run during Benn & Seguin era.

Please comment thoughts on value. Not saying this will happen(but possible due to Jim Nill connection) but strictly value wise.

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 29 May 2017 11:56:21
That package alone (especially considering age) does not land you the 3rd overall pick.


2.) 29 May 2017 13:32:23
Agree with Charles on this.


3.) 29 May 2017 16:09:40
Ok makes sense. It is definitely a bold trade and clearly not likely at all.

I kinda was expanding on @TopShelf
'S idea about Kronwall to Dallas to mentor Klingberg.
Maybe a smaller deal is more likely.


 

 

27 May 2017 23:17:49
Detroit needs to enter a rebuild and get some quality picks and prospects. Detroit needs to decrease play next year and not try to do the Holland's rebuild on the fly. Especially since Andrey Svechnikov and Rasmus Dahlin are two quality players Detroit could use if they can get a a pick in the top 3 by increasing their lottery odds with an awful season.

So this post is almost a fire sale to gather picks(Preferably 2018), and high quality prospects at all positions.

All players are available for trade except: Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Evgeny Svechnikov, plus any of our prospects in the last couple years for the most part(Rebuilders don't trade prospects )

So please offer any trades from your teams or teams that you think would be interested in any of our current roster players? Retention and cap dumps taken may occur depending on the trade.

Please comment. Just trying to get a better value of Detroit players from others since I seem to be way off on some players( I.e Mike Green)

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) 28 May 2017 00:20:11
I wouldn't mind Zenny to leafs as a mentor but wouldn't pay a kings ransom for him. What would you want from leafs.


2.) 28 May 2017 00:40:02
Mrazek to Cakgary? (MAF to Winnipeg? )
Please no Oilers fans say Green to Edm. Lol
Kronwall will retire a Red Wing?
Nyquist to Dallas? (If they don't trade for Eberle 😉)


3.) 28 May 2017 01:19:02
I could see Kronwall+Nyquist in a package blockbuster for the 3rd overall pick.


Kronwall as that solid mentor for Kilngy (both Swedish, one offnesive minded, one defensive minded), Nyquist to patch Dallas' hole on offence.


4.) 28 May 2017 01:35:59
Just curious why you wouldn't want Green on the oil yup? Is it his age? He's got one more year at $6, they can probably get him to resign for a respectable $4-5. He still puts up good #'s and I believe he's still a threat on the PP. Back to your question Datsyuk. I wouldn't mind a guy like Abdelkader on the leafs. The leafs could use some more size and grit. I wouldn't give up too much for him because he's 30 already but maybe a younger decent prospect would work for Detroit. Thoughts?


5.) 28 May 2017 04:19:50
@Nylander
I presume you mean Zetterberg. He isn't really up for trade or likely to be traded. However we can speculate his value. He still is productive and makes his linemates better despite his age and contract. I don't think Toronto would be the best fit since they may not be willing to move enough youth/ picks to get him, the Babcock connection may actually be a negative (not sure could be either way) and Toronto may not be a strong enough cup contender for Zetterberg to consider.
I mainly made this post to gauge value from other teams. So can you comment what is the max you would be willing to pay for Zetterberg and see if there is negotiating ground?


6.) 28 May 2017 04:33:29
@yup
A lot of your suggestions seem plausible in terms of pieces from Detroit and possible destinations, however can you add more detail in what you think would be a fair offer?

1. Mrazek to Calgary works from my perspective assuming we get one of Calgary's nice goalie prospects + a high draft pick/ prospect at least? Not sure if worth more or less then this but any Mrazek to Calgary trade would need a young goalie prospect coming back so the goalie depth isn't shattered.
2. Green will be trade either at this year's draft or trade deadline for picks/ prospects. Whether Edmonton is willing to pay for it, it's up to them. Also Green can be retained to maximize his value if needed. I'm personally aiming for a late 1st/ high 2nd as the starter in a deal or a very nice prospect.
3. Kronwall like you said may retire as a Red Wing. However if we consider him purely base on value and destination speculation. I would like to hear how other teams value him. I'm mostly looking for picks/ prospects. I seem him being very similar to Phaneuf (when in Toronto) playing more minutes then he should and makes mistakes often. Not saying it's going to be a Phaneuf return. Just their situations are similar. Kronwall would be better as a #3/ 4 d-man on a team looking for depth.
4. Nyquist to Dallas is certainly plausible. The Jim Nill connection may help that. However it's going to cost picks/ prospects or a nice d-man. I see Detroit inquiring about the 3rd overall pick and if they move Howard and Mrazek (they could take one of Dallas's other goalies as part of the return to split time with Coreau) . So Nyquist to Dallas is still plausible whether it includes 3rd overall or not? Just not sure what Dallas would offer. Thoughts?

That's my quick understanding of some options. Please comment suggested trade pieces for these or any other Detroit player.


7.) 28 May 2017 05:20:19
I'd offer Kappy/ Brown and 17th for Zenny-datsyukfan13

He would work well with Mathews.


8.) 28 May 2017 07:53:23
I would love ol' Big Z on my leafs. I'd give up this years 1st and brown, or if they wanted another prospect in the minors they could have their pick. bracco, johnson, liepsic, timashov.

Detroit is my second team and i have 0 belief thye will trade Z, he's going to retire a wing, honestly I hope he does as well.


9.) 28 May 2017 14:50:49
are you nuts . leafs would be the dumbest team ever to trade anything for Zetterberg. He is done, washed up. Maybe a 2nd round pick. Leafs need to keep all there youth. Brown may never be as good as Zetterberg But we will have browns 20 to maybe 30 goals for the next 10 years. let Detroit burn with Zetterburg!


10.) 28 May 2017 16:23:01
@Nylander @BigZ
I actually like both offers for the most part. I think Detroit would definitely want a 1st. I'd prefer Kappy over Brown. I do like Bracco as well but since he is less then Kappy/ Brown, I would want another plus on top to make up difference. However, personally I wonder if you would be willing to add a nice d-prospect in Dermott with this year's first. Would you be willing to do 2018 1st plus prospect? Or both 1sts (taking a guess) . Although I think from Toronto it's going to be higher return then others since its in the division.


11.) 28 May 2017 16:35:55
@TopShelf

I like this deal from Detroit's end and see it as being plausible as well.


12.) 28 May 2017 16:39:13
@Legion

Zetterberg isn't washed up yet. He still has a couple good seasons left. Also it's one thing to say you wouldn't trade Brown for him and say he has like little value so Detroit should be stuck with him. Zetterberg has other intangibles that help as a whole which could benefit any team. He has value and teams should be interested.


13.) 28 May 2017 21:26:05
What do you think of my Abdelkader to the leafs Datsyuk? What do you think the return would be?


14.) 29 May 2017 03:02:48
@NotToday

Sorry for late reply. Missed your comment about Abby.

I honestly would be happy with picks/ prospects, I hope Detroit fields him out to teams and takes the best offer of picks/ prospects. I know his age is up there and his contract so his value will be down but still it will be best bid. Can Toronto afford that? Maybe? I definitely see Toronto being interested since Babcock liked using him in many situations. However, he may not be traded because Detroit lacks toughness too. However he is available and would be happy to see him moved especially since we got Tyler Bertuzzi who could potentially take over.

Thanks for your comment. What would be the max you would be willing to pay for Abby from the leafs? I would hope for a nice prospect or high pick. So something around that.

Would the leafs be interested in Helm if they can't re-sign Boyle. He is a speedy defensive Center who can play wing, Maybe they would be interested in him too?


15.) 29 May 2017 07:06:05
I actually didn't look at the cap hit before commenting, I just like Abdelkader. I've always liked Helm too but the leafs are good with speed, they could use some size. Any player Babcock liked coaching in Detroit is a possibility. I'm not sure who the leafs could offer for Abdelkader. I don't know a lot about players until they reach the NHL.


 

 

 

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08 Aug 2014 00:01:10
Just out of Curiosity.

I want to know the value of the following players that would be needed to be sent in return for them.

1. Marian Hossa (Chicago)
2. Alexander Semin (Carolina)
3. Bobby Ryan (Ottawa)
4. Mike Green (Washington)
5. Reilly Smith (Boston)
6. Niklas Hjalmarsson (Chicago)
7.Mike Richards( Los Angeles)
8. Marc Staal (NY Rangers)
9. Dennis Wideman (Calgary)
10.Jeff Petry (Edmonton)

Please comment what you believe is fair value from any team to give for these players.

Datsyuk_Fan13

1.) I think it would take at least a combination of Kessel, JVR and Bernier pluss some picks and prospects to land Petry


2.) But everyone else in the list could be got for Gardiner and a 7th. He's a future multiple Norris winner, dontcha know.


3.) ^ doubt he ever wins a trophy, but he's not nearly the plug people on here like to make him out to be.


4.) ^ the irony about Petry is that people seem to value him so high, yet they are always trading him away. Seems counter-intuitive given Edmonton NEEDS good d-men.


5.) While I don't want the Oilers to move Petry (same goes for Smid when that deal went down) his value is probably approaching a high right now. He's zero flash but definitely a sturdy middle-pairing dman and has been one of the better Oilers dmen the past couple of years. He wouldn't be traded for picks and prospects, that's a backwards move, but if the Oilers choose to make a trade for a #2C then Petry will very likely be the first guy on the block. There has been a big change amongst the top-6 dmen and IMO it looks better now than it did the past couple years. Moving Petry could end up being a bad move, it's risky, but the Oilers are getting to a point where they are becoming logjammed with defensive prospects. Klefbom, Marincin, and potentially Nurse are all knocking at the door looking for full-time jobs this year.

I think Petry will be an Oiler at the start of the year. Marincin likely makes the team full-time and Klefbom will either be first callup or the #7 on the Oilers. Around the deadline, if the Oilers are far out of the playoff discussion again, he will likely be moved for a good center prospect to shore up that position further and Klefbom will finish the year in the bottom-pairing.

None of this is ideal, and keeps the rebuild process at its snails pace, but it's probably better than a drastic move like trading a player like Eberle.


 

 

 

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08 Oct 2017 06:00:11
Colorado won't touch this period.

AA is a great piece, the 2nd is good, Sheahan is ok, and Ericsson is awful.

Colorado needs Defense, Detroit needs Defense. There is no fit here. Both teams are trying to retool/ rebuild for the future and neither has the assets that the other team wants.

As a Wings fan, I would love Duchene but we don't have the pieces to get the conversation started and we likely won't like Sakic's asking price.

So no deal to be made here.

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07 Oct 2017 06:23:29
McDonagh is the Rangers Top D-man, I don't think they are going to just give him away. He will cost Galchenyuk ++ and I don't see the first being enough. Also McDonagh likely isn't even on the trade market. So this is a pipe dream in essence.

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07 Oct 2017 06:19:52
Few things:

1. Franzen's career is done. Too many injuries and he ain't coming back.
2. Detroit has no need for Pleky or Shaw, They need cap space. This doesn't help in that way as much as you think.
3. Zetterberg is still capable of helping players around be better like you are hoping for Galchenyuk to benefit from. I still think Z could get a first plus something especially if its a relatively late first most likely.

Also not sure a deal between these two teams is likely.

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18 Aug 2017 23:19:05
@sbr2017

Thank you for this post and coming up with some ideas here. I do see why this may be favourable on other sides. I think value wise we are somewhat close here.

However, is there any other available prospects you would be willing to move with similar values. Detroit needs a top 6 potential C because behind Larkin it's a little up for grabs or a Defense prospect that could reach top 4 or higher potential. Just need wise they would be better fits. Nelson seems to be kind of what we already have in Ouellet/ Sproul unless they can step up, so seemingly redundant for us. Similar to what I said about Girgensons as we already have guys like Helm/ Glenndenning or even Sheahan who underproduced but plays strong 2-way game.

I see a deal being possible here, just looking for more need focused players while Baptiste is useful, just not a position that needs to be filled since we have options.

Any suggestions? Also would be willing to take picks if you can't meet the needs.

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17 Aug 2017 20:48:10
Also would Buffalo be interested in Rochester, NY native Jimmy Howard to help with our cap problem.

I would take picks/ prospects in exchange. It gives Buffalo three goalies but they could move the underperforming one. Howard when healthy plays well and might be a good fit. Lehner has been shaky at times so having Howard might a good insurance.

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I think the leafs should have taken that deal. Despite how good Sundin is, they could have had a team instead of just a player for the future.

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Good signing. I wish Detroit did this instead of signing Quincey

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