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12 Jul 2018 11:56:59
Wondering if this makes sense for both teams.
Now I’m not familiar with Columbus’ Cap so maybe this won’t be able to work, but anyways I wanted to go off positional needs:

Oil: Nuge + Klefbom + 4th

Jackets: Panarin + Murray

Oilers get top end right hand shot winger to play with Mcdavid and a downgrade on defense.
Blue jackets get their potential top line center (or 2nd line if they leave Dubois 1st) who can also play wing now. Get an upgrade on defense.

McJesus Christ97

1.) 12 Jul 2018 13:25:43
oilers need to improve their defense, why would they downgrade?

2.) 12 Jul 2018 13:34:29
Paniran is way better then Nuge. IMO Murray is better then Klefbom and Regardless that’d be a redundant swap for Columbus and a 4th. no way Columbus touches that. Yes Paniran is a pending UFA but Nuge won’t be the piece he’s traded for and on top of that you want Murray? Take out Murray and Klefbom and it’s a fairer trade.

3.) 12 Jul 2018 14:01:53
I think klefbom is an upgrade on murray, but not nearly enough to offset panarin to RNH. A 4th just doesn’t cut it. Make the 4th a 1st or keep it as the 4th and add in a good prospect. But don’t see CBJ taking this as it is. There would be better offers for sure.

4.) 12 Jul 2018 14:33:13
Really? I don’t see the upgrade there Jim at almost every world event Murray looks like a stud maybe he needs a change of scenery I’d give Gardiner for him.

5.) 12 Jul 2018 14:51:45
I’d call them pretty even, but give klefbom the edge in my opinion. Wouldn’t know all the numbers to argue against someone who says the opposite though. Regardless, no matter which way you too the scales on the klefbom/ murray part, it doesn’t come close to offsetting panarin for nuge.

6.) 12 Jul 2018 16:36:34
Edm wouldn't give up that for one year of panarin , would be great to see with McDavid but if he doesn't wanna stay in Columbus, why would he wanna sign in EDM?

7.) 12 Jul 2018 16:54:43
I like it but do think the 4th would have to be at least a 2nd or a 4th and a 3rd yo gwg the ball rolling.

And don't mind vbbvbb, he has no idea how to just talent or trade value. klefbom > Murray anyday though I do agree that panarin is better than nuge and would make a great side piece for McDavid lol.

8.) 12 Jul 2018 18:48:27
Yah don’t mind the guy who thinks Murray>Klefbom but mind the guy who believes Hoffman>5th overall? You’re dilusional in my opinion i like Murray more then Klefbom they’re close in value but Murray’s stats are deiciving he’s better then the stats show offensively and he’s better then Klefbom defensively. Klefbom is probably better offensively but he’s also the guy in Edmonton where as Murray is on the 3rd pairing in Columbus. ( the role the bottom 4 lines )

9.) 13 Jul 2018 00:00:04
I believe I said Hoffman is = to a top 5 to 10 pic, not greater than a top 5, and I still stand by that as those deals were absolute jokes. perhaps school wasn't kind enough to teach you how to read huh vbbvbb?

Come to think of it your handle is vbbvbb, guess you can't pronounce a real name either. what is a vbbvbb anyway a vroom big bad vroom badda bing? Lmfao.

10.) 13 Jul 2018 01:47:08
Rambone, You can't stand by something that's been proven completely wrong and just call it a joke and still think you're right and we're wrong. That's not how that works.

11.) 13 Jul 2018 11:05:49
Rambo prefers to live in his delusional fantasy world where his poorly thought out and biased proposals represent fair value, and his mom's basement is actually a 3,000 sq. ft. luxury penthouse.

12.) 13 Jul 2018 11:30:33
‘Those deals were complete jokes’

Well, they were made, and the entirety of this site was close i'm evaluation of Hoff than you were.

13.) 13 Jul 2018 13:00:03
All I’m going to say here is Murray isn’t that close to Klefbom. Klefbom is for sure an upgrade when he’s healthy.

14.) 13 Jul 2018 13:16:22
Murray is a third pairing dman (or used as one) and Klef a 2/ 3 dman. not sure how they're close. I don't think they have close to the same value.

15.) 13 Jul 2018 13:28:47
I’m sure hoffman wasn’t exclusively shopped to San Jose. Dorian would have called just about everyone about hoffman and that’s what he got. I’d say that’s the best way to determine true value. Half the league who had a need for a scoring winger determined he wasn’t worth more than that. That’s what I will take as fair value over what one guy who also thinks Craig Anderson is the answer to other teams goalie problems believes lol and believes they won the Duchene trade, and believes they have all the leverage with Karlsson lol.

16.) 13 Jul 2018 15:44:42
@Rambone they may be the goofiest thing I’ve ever read.

17.) 13 Jul 2018 22:29:44
It wasn't proven wrong yup. put that situation a trade in the hands of a competant gm instead of goofball Dorian and I guarentee a better trade is made. if brian Murray were still around for instance. the guy may not have made many trades but the ones he did make were always respectable at the time of the trades.

He turned rundblad into turris

He turned a 2nd into bishop then into a 4yh plus conacher who at the time was looking like he could be a future stud in the league

He also move the unmovable spezza contract and actually got what was a decent haul for it as a draft pick, a solid prospect in paul at the time and a guy in chiasson who along with nuchishkin in dallas were breaking out nicely at the time, not bad for a 1 dimensional 8 million contract with lots of term left

I could keep going but you should get the point by now. and actually players like chiason and conacher are exactly why players like point and sergachev aren't as highly valued as you may think they are and also why a guy like Karlsson is more than enough to land both plus a 1st. you can't predict that they will find a season like that again but you can with Karlsson as he's been high level for years now.

18.) 14 Jul 2018 11:38:44
Did you seriously just cite Chiason and Concacher as a comparable for Point and Servachev?

You're spare parts bud.



29 Jun 2018 17:33:32
Oil: Benning + 3rd

Wings: Athanasiou

Detroit could use a young capable dman and they had trouble signing AA last year. Oilers could benefit from his speed and skill and put him in a top 6 role.

McJesus Christ97

1.) 29 Jun 2018 18:54:58
I’d rather a 2nd or something. Kinda need Benning as of right now. But I think he’d be a good player to get.

2.) 29 Jun 2018 22:24:15
I just didn’t think Detroit would part with AA just for picks but I could be wrong.

3.) 30 Jun 2018 00:19:53
I haven’t seen much of Benning but I know a lot of wings fans that are very high on AA.

4.) 30 Jun 2018 18:02:46
Same age and AA had12 more points than Benning last year. There values probably aren’t that far apart IMO.

5.) 30 Jun 2018 21:11:45
Sometimes Athanasiou looks like he’s going to be a star then other times he looks invisible. I would not trade him if I were the wings but if they did this could be fair.



20 Jun 2018 17:30:52
Read this in an article:

Oil: Klefbom + 10th + Benson

Blues: Parayko + Kyrou.

McJesus Christ97

1.) 20 Jun 2018 19:31:00
Don’t see why blues do it unless they’re certain they need the little extra cap savings in a tavares deal or something. Kyrou would have more value than benson at this point, and parayko is a top pair RHD at 5.5 mill. Only 1.5 mill cap and No age gap between him and klefbom. Don’t see the point unless it’s got other implications in another move.

2.) 20 Jun 2018 20:19:30
Kyrou for sure has more value than Benson I’ll agree on that. And yeah when I first saw this I wasn’t sure if that would be enough for blues to accept. But I can see klefbom being on the top pairing with petro (when healthy) and blues could have some interest getting that top 10 pick. But I agree I think oilers would need to add little something more as well.

3.) 20 Jun 2018 20:23:42
Take out benson and add puljujarvi and it's closer but probably still not enough.

4.) 20 Jun 2018 21:11:05
Puljujärvi for Benson could actually be just enough.

5.) 20 Jun 2018 21:49:11
Ya, Oilers would have to add. but not sure if it is the right base. After STL traded Stasney away, i thought Kyrou was going to be on their radar for center. I was going to say take out Kyrou, but i just don't see Colt getting tradded.

6.) 20 Jun 2018 21:50:12
Wow add Drais and it’s still not even close Paryanko is going nowhere he is the only dman with potential to be better then Dahlin. It would take someone like Mathews or Eichel to get him.

7.) 20 Jun 2018 22:16:30
Blues fans will not part with Parayko unless they are getting Drais bacK

Also Klefboom sucked last year. Why would you put a worse offensive dman with petro
you wouldn't you would put a tough as nails Edmondson on his line. This trade does nothing for the blues
They don't need to worry about 1.5 mil in cap and get a 10oa pick and lose your second best dman and best rw prospect
your team has. So then should klef move to the right. This trade makes zero sense.

Per Blues fans if drais isn't coming back then parayko isn't leaving.

8.) 20 Jun 2018 22:26:27
Per Blues management and Fan base the following players are not available.

Thomas, Kyrou,

NHL players:
Petro, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Schenn, Parayko, Dunn, Edmondson,

Per management Blues fan base the following are Very Unlikely to be traded

Thompson, Kostin, Walman

If the blues make a trade Gaurantee the non-availables will not be moved.

9.) 20 Jun 2018 23:40:53
Id say Klefbom + Puljujärvi + 10th Overall would be enough for Parayko. i'd take that as a flames/blues fan

10.) 20 Jun 2018 23:44:59
My statement was an over exaggeration if you add Drais it’s definitely Intriguing but the blues would rather trade Petro.

11.) 21 Jun 2018 02:23:19
Parayko is really good vbbbvvbb. But he doesn't get eichel or matthews but I agree stl is not trading him any time soon.

12.) 21 Jun 2018 03:24:24
I honestly don't see what's so special about parayko. Dougie Hamilton is better offensively and not as good defensively but the same size and handness but everybody says Hamilton couldn't fetch Marner but Parayko can fetch Matthews?! I don't get it.

Dougie Hamilton, RHD 6'6
25 Yrs Old
(Last season)
GP:81 G:13 A:37 P:50 +/- | 12
(This season)
GP:82 G:17 A:27 P:44 +/- | 1

Colton Parayko, RHD 6'6
25 Yrs Old
(Last season)
GP:81 G:4 A:31 P:35 +/- | 7
(This season)
GP:82 G:6 A:29 P:35 +/- | -7

13.) 21 Jun 2018 03:41:54
Haha okay forgot parayko is best dman in show wow vb.

14.) 21 Jun 2018 07:04:37
Lol what articles do you get these from? Such a joke.
Parayko > 10th
Kyrou >> Benson.

15.) 21 Jun 2018 16:12:53
Not saying I’d trade Mathews for Paryanko as a leafs fan because Marner/ Mathews are untouchable but if I were the Blues GM the starting point for Paryanko would be a young Elite 1C. He’d be the last player on the Blues I’d trade. Paryanko is a young Shea Weber who can skate 2x as fast but just needs to utilize his shot I strongly believe Paryanko dosent excel with the Blues coaching staff. He really needs to use is shot more often on the PP and he’d be in the 50-60 Point Catagory.



18 Jun 2018 18:08:34
Oil: 10th overall

Dallas: Honka

Seen some talk of Honka on the block (honestly idk why, but what iv seen)? And with Heiskanen coming over next year maybe they are willing to part with Honka.
Is the Value there?

McJesus Christ97

1.) 18 Jun 2018 19:29:35
Honka and Kappanen are similar tier prospects wouldn’t say they are worth the 10th overall.

2.) 18 Jun 2018 23:00:33
Hmm I wonder if Dallas actually has him on the block or not then, and what they’d expect for a return.

3.) 19 Jun 2018 04:02:16
Honka + for Pulj possibly.

4.) 19 Jun 2018 12:23:52
Just stop! Oilers will value pulj as the 3rd overall, he still has the potential to be a 1st liner . honka for pulj Will never happend.

5.) 21 Jun 2018 21:43:26
Nah Dallas dosnt touch Honka for pul yet alone adding lol.



13 Jun 2018 21:23:10
Read in article:

Oil: Lucic

Florida: Petrovic + McGinn

Again apparently Floria is heavily interested (crazy) in lucic.

McJesus Christ97

1.) 13 Jun 2018 23:00:27
If Florida does this, its one of the dumbest trades they could make.

If Lucic gets traded, it should be so that Edmonton gets him off their hands, not getting a dman whos decent and basically a replacement for him at half term/ half cost.

2.) 14 Jun 2018 03:36:28
I agree man but it’s what I read. And lucic is still a serviceable hockey player he has purpose, it’s just his context is atrocious. If he was making 4mil/ year I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with him staying on the oilers as a 2nd/ 3rd line LW.

3.) 14 Jun 2018 10:57:27
Edmonton adds.

4.) 14 Jun 2018 11:30:55

Totally agree man, that's why i didn't go hard on ya for it. Idk, imo, i'd feel as though a straight across for a gjy like Abdelkader or sumtin is what Lucic would get. cap problem for cap problem ya know? And I agree, Lucic at 3.5 x 4 wouldn’t be bad. But 6 x 6 is a bit ugly considering what looks like a sharp decline on a slower player nonetheless.

5.) 14 Jun 2018 17:27:47
6x6 was always a terrible idea but at the time that’s what it took to sign him and to think Montreal (apparently) had more money on the table for him lol yikes.




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16 Oct 2017 01:46:28
I was reading an article and this is what they discussed:

If the oilers were offered Matthews and Nylander for Mcdavid should they take it?

Me, absolutely not. Lol. Cap reasons also being a big reason of course. But I still wouldn’t do it regardless.

But I wanted to just see what other people think about it.

McJesus Christ97

1.) 16 Oct 2017 11:23:53
As a leaf fan, i love it.

But, oilers should, and would never do that.

2.) 18 Oct 2017 18:27:52
I might be in my own here and I try not to be a homer. I honestly feel that the gap between Matthews and mcdavid isn't as big as some make it out to be. In saying that, there's definitely a gap. Matthews, or anyone else past or present can keep up with mcdavids skating, hands down.

But I think Matthews does other things better than mcdavid. And the combo of nylander and Matthews I believe can bring a lot more success than mcdavid alone (as incredible as he is) . Mcdavid at 12.5 and the other will probably be 17-18 mill makes a difference but if you traded 2 for 1 you would still have to get another player on the roster and for the same cap hit, you're adding a 4.5 mill man. What are you getting to play top line for 4.5 mill today?

I wouldn't criticize anyone for saying the opposite of me on this one, don't think there's really a wrong answer. Let's just all be happy that after the last decade, Leafs and Oilers fans get to have these discussions! Exciting time for a few Canadian teams which is good for all.




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14 Jul 2018 23:37:47
At this point I’d say nurse > Weber lol Weber can’t even skate yet.

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14 Jul 2018 23:36:35
However potentially could see Carolina wanting better pick than a 5th round along with it.

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14 Jul 2018 23:36:04
I like the trade as well for both teams.

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13 Jul 2018 13:00:03
All I’m going to say here is Murray isn’t that close to Klefbom. Klefbom is for sure an upgrade when he’s healthy.

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11 Jul 2018 13:43:35
The Pitt trade is atrocious for Montreal.
The minny trade I can’t see them making that at all.

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