NHL rumours 2

21 Mar 2024 21:03:24
I have an interesting proposal.

Columbus Trades
Laine*

Toronto Trades
Kampf**
Holmberg


*Columbus retains 50% of Laine's remaining contract.

**Columbus would have to be on Kampf's modified no trade clause or he would have to waive it to accept a trade to The Jackets.


Now I know Laine is dealing with mental issues and unless he is ready next season it makes no sense for The Leafs to take this gamble.
Columbus I believe will try to get whatever they can to trade Laine, and this gives them 2 NHLers for Patrick.


Thoughts ?

21 Mar 2024 23:58:57
"The NHL is projecting the salary cap to rise to $87.7 million for next season, Commissioner Gary Bettman said after the Board of Governors meetings concluded Tuesday. " December 5 2023 via NHL. com

Your idea of a solution to Torontos stanley cup drought is to put $58.5 million out of a possible $87.7 million towards 6 players? (Matthews 13.25, Nylander $11.5, Tavares $11, Marner 10.9, Reilly $7.5, and Laine for $4.35)

Are they going to pay the starting goalie in timbits?

22 Mar 2024 00:04:02
I wish you'd get locked out of your own account so I could finally stop reading these proposals.

If Laine is such a lost cause for Columbus, why would Toronto need him?

Im sure an overhyped sniper with "mental issues" is just what 99.9% of Leafs fans have been waiting for Treliving to trade for.

22 Mar 2024 12:12:10
@DrwDave I've just come to the conclusion that he bases his idea on what the Leafs need on what works on NHL 24. This idea that we can continue to pay our forwards a king's ransom, not address the actual needs of the team, and expect a different result is getting old.

22 Mar 2024 19:00:36
That Tavares contract will be off the books next offseason.

23 Mar 2024 00:17:01
Laine at 4.35M wouldn’t be an issue at all? Heck no from Columbus.

25 Mar 2024 11:28:55
Makes perfect sense. add another one-dimensional, formerly offensive player, to a lineup in clear need for help on the back end.

I agree with DrwDave that it would be a blessing to have Pinball locked out of his account. The compulsive posting of garbage got old a loooooooong time ago.

25 Mar 2024 16:24:01
It doesn’t even matter how your team is made up, if you can add Laine at 4.35M you do it.

26 Mar 2024 08:30:22
I have read this proposal several times now, still can't find the interesting part.

21 Mar 2024 20:37:18
Arizona Trades
Durzi

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Villeneuve (AHL)


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 16:54:23
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 19:55:19
hi. St. Louis? wanna trade 2 of your quality players for a bag of nothing? No? okay. I'll try somewhere else.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:51
2 of St. Louis Blues quality players balsam8?
Buchnevich agreed is a top forward on an expiring contract next season, and The Blues tried trading him at the deadline retaining 50% of his contract, the other quality player is the 3rd Rounder?
Leafs Players are a bag of nothing including a 1st Rounder?
Sorry you aren't making any sense at all imo.

20 Mar 2024 12:05:52
He's referring to the trade below. But man two fourth liners and a 1st are not getting a top 6 winger and a third. It just isn't happening. We don't need help upfront man, we really truly do not. We need stability in net and some stability on the back end. Like vbbb has said before once Tavares is off the books and is either brought back on a Spezza/ Gio deal or walks that is when we are going to really be competitive. Roughly $9mill to add a good piece or two that will push us over the top. We need to use the little draft capital we do have to replenish our prospect pool. Alot of our prospects are hitting that 23-24 age and most haven't been good enough to compete for a roster spot. And because of that their value in a trade isn't going to be much.

20 Mar 2024 21:14:01
Buchnevich will get St. Louis a much better return than this. There's no rush when they have him for another year.

Toronto also doesn't solve any of their issues with this trade. They have too much cap space tied up on forwards, very few prospects, and even fewer draft picks to build their prospect pipeline.

20 Mar 2024 21:17:06
Even if the Leafs could somehow convince St. Louis to retain 50% salary on Buch, which with this package they cant, that $2.9m would still mean Toronto is using almost $50 million of their team salary to pay 5 forwards.

Because you're a Leafs fan, I have to assume you already know using more than half the teams salary on forwards is not going to win them a cup. right?

21 Mar 2024 16:22:29
Absolutely brutal.

Pinball, even your fellow leaf fans think your trades make no sense, yet you resist everyone's feedback.

Your pre-trade deadline trade ideas were waaaaaay off, and now you're fixated on some version of a trade with STL that's so far off it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

24 Mar 2024 22:27:06
Blues may get a sign and trade for buch at draft.

18 Mar 2024 14:47:49
At The Draft.

Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
Villeneuve (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
5th Round Pick 2024***

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf would have to waive his modified no trade clause.

***Leafs have 3 5th Round Picks in the 2024 Draft, Blues get to choose which one they want.


Treliving I believe will be looking to get bigger and tougher on Defense as well adding a Top Winger for the top 6.

St.Louis might bite at this proposal as it will give them some youth and draft picks minus Kampf of course as he would be a Cap Dump.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 01:42:19
People know Leafs are desperate to win with the "Core 4". To get better players, Cowen, Mitten are gonna be included. Your 1st is a late 20's the rest is meh. kinda blah. I think if Leafs don't win this year, the window is closed.

19 Mar 2024 01:43:32
Unless Woll becomes upper echelon goalie.

19 Mar 2024 02:31:17
That doesnt get you parayko or buch by itself.

19 Mar 2024 17:09:50
Once the Tavares contract expires and he signs a league minimum contract ( Jason Spezza/ gio like ) then the leafs window truly opens.

20 Mar 2024 21:07:07
Adding another forward won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Trading another 1st round pick won't change the outcome with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Sit still and stock up some prospects. They need to balance the books and get Marner signed before they can figure out the rest.

2025-26 they'll be back better, until then the Leafs need to sit and their fans need to chill.

12 Mar 2024 13:30:05
At The Draft.

Calgary Trades
Huberdeau*

Toronto Trades
Kokkonen (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026

*Flames retain 1.5 million a year of Huberdeau's remaining contract.


Leafs will have flexibility Cap wise after this season and a trade proposal like this is something both teams might look at, Huberdeau hasn't worked out in Calgary for whatever reason but he is still a Top 6 LWinger imo regardless of his stats the last few years.



Thoughts ?

12 Mar 2024 17:55:58
Calgary takes this offer in a heartbeat this would be an absolute fleecing by Conroy.

Also adding another forward at $9m for 7 more years is not the answer for the Leafs lack of success, you're a Leafs fan so I would assume you already know having more than half the team salary locked up on 5 forwards isn't going to win a cup.

12 Mar 2024 17:58:12
By the way doing this trade would mean Tavares is gone, and after resigning Marner there will be no cap space for Knies, or to fix any of the issues with defense.

Once again, you're a Leafs fan so I'm assuming you know the Leafs need to solve their issues with defense.

12 Mar 2024 19:12:34
Man what lol. Even at 10 million no one is taking Huberdeau especially not the leafs.

12 Mar 2024 20:03:05
Stop this nonsense and delusion. You're really just all for having zero and I mean ZERO depth and not addressing our defense what so ever. Conroy would take this deal in a heartbeat and we would be the laughing stock of the league for paying 6 players north of $9mill next year and expecting to win.

12 Mar 2024 21:51:57
Unfortunately for the Flames and Conroy, they are stuck with this contract. I cant see any GM in the league taking this on.

13 Mar 2024 12:27:11
The scales have tipped. Pinball is now a Calgary fan by the looks of this post.

14 Mar 2024 13:14:26
- Pinball, you are lucky you're not the GM of your beloved leafs.

- I'm not sure how you can possibly ignore your D in favour of trades that mostly target forwards.

- If you watch the playoffs closely this year you will see that teams that build depth in all positions are the ones that are successful.

- To this end, cap management is essential, which means intelligent drafting and development.

- Your team has only 4 of their 12 picks in the first 4 rounds of the next 3 drafts. and you want to trade 2 more of them?

- Teams can't consistently trade away as many picks as the leafs do without it impacting their lineup. Dubas failed, and Treliving did the right thing hanging on to his 2 remaining first round picks.

- Teams need players on cheap ELC's making contributions, especially teams that have too many 10M+ salaries.

- Watch the playoffs and see what successful teams do to become winners. It will help you to create more realistic and readable posts.

08 Mar 2024 13:34:08
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
Parayko
Blais
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Liljegren
Kampf
NRobertson (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2024
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's remaining contract.


If Toronto really wants to make a splash and go for it this year adding these 3 players will help huge imo.


Thoughts ?

08 Mar 2024 19:03:42
- Puts leaves over the cap.

- Doug Armstrong is a credible GM. Give him a little credit. No way he gives up those players for this kind of package.

08 Mar 2024 17:17:22
Thats aweful completly aweful.

08 Mar 2024 17:29:09
Liljgren
Nemila
1st 2024
1st 2025
Minten
2nd 2024.

08 Mar 2024 22:18:23
Honestly, tor just doesn't have what it takes to make that trade not at all.

19 Mar 2024 23:20:29
If you were to replace Lili with someone else I’d do that @redwing1 I don’t think teams are prepared to give up what’d you’d expect for Paryanko and Buch not that you overate them just that teams generally don’t pay as much as people expect in those types of deals. I fully think Paryanko is close to being on par with Morgan Rielly.

07 Mar 2024 19:05:29
Habs- kovacevic

Van- podkolzin


Habs- Allen 50%retain


Col- Beaucage


Habs- armia


LA- kaliev

Or Nyi - Wahlstrom

07 Mar 2024 16:18:34
My Dream Trade that would take the Jets to the next level:

St. Louis Colton Parayko (Waive NTC)

to Winnipeg:
Nate Schmidt
Brad Lambert
Ville Heinola

Defense parings after:
Morrisey, Parayko
Pionk, Dillon,
Demelo, Samberg
Depth - Stanley, Copabianco

07 Mar 2024 16:26:23
I don't see why St. Louis would do that.

I also don't think it's a good idea to be tied into Parayko's contract until he's 37.

07 Mar 2024 17:05:26
Absolutely Agree,

St. Louis Doug Armstrong is known for being agressive. He signed alot of big contracts last summer including Parayko, Krug, Faulk on the back end and St louis is 4-5-1 in last 10 games outside the wildcard. In the past he has traded assets to retool. this package gets him 3 nhl ready and 2 young former #1 draft picks that don't fit into Jets next 3 years. "I am Dreaming" if this were to happen it would be Major news in Trade Deadline in NHL. Realty it is 99% sur not to happen.

08 Mar 2024 17:31:44
Parayko will cost willander plus 1st 2024 and also if money coming back probably another 1st. Why do teams trade #1rhd in the nhl on term. They dont.

07 Mar 2024 05:01:47
a little disappointed with the Hanifin return but the flames were handcuffed from Hanifin and his agent. I thought it would be much worse once i heard Tampa.

Hanifin for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd (basically a 2nd, lets be real) and Miromanov

Chychrun for Conditional 1st, 2nd and 2nd

Hronek for Conditional 1st and 2nd

pretty solid considering Chychrun and Hronek both had term and good AAV while Hanifin is a UFA.

07 Mar 2024 16:28:58
Yeah it's tough when your GM is handcuffed. Overall though, you had his services for a couple years and recouped some assets for a player that wanted out, all considered, Calgary did alright.

07 Mar 2024 16:41:31
@memarcusjoe yeah, Hanifin is definitely getting boos when they play against Vegas on the 14th. nobody likes what him and his agent was doing to Conroy. American players have become such a headache for the Flames. Hopefully they won’t have to worry when the new arena is finished and the retool is complete.

07 Mar 2024 19:47:38
Those 1sts in Chychrun and Hronek deals are both a lot higher then Vegas pick.

07 Mar 2024 20:39:58
That's true @Vbb but Hanifin is a UFA who got to pick his destination because his snake of an agent and he's older than when Chychrun and Hronek were traded.
I hope VGK uses the 2025 1st because the 2026 1st will be unprotected. So realistically if they trade that 2025 1st the Flames got an unprotected 2026 1st, 2025 2nd (if VGK wins a round) and Miromanov for a UFA that got to pick his destination. I don't think it was gonna get any better than that, Tampa was gonna fleece them so hard. It's a real shame Hanifin pulled this on the Flames but their ownership deserves it, they've got to be the worst owners in the league. They Conroy back out of the Markstrom deal when realistically we ain't making the playoffs, he's gonna get lit up behind this atrocious defense and his value will never be higher. NJ is willing to take his full salary and won't ask Conroy to take a contract, rumoured to be offering Holtz, 1st and 2nd. Flames will be mediocre forever if this ownership doesn't let Conroy do his job, sorry for the rant.

07 Mar 2024 21:58:05
CASUAL: I hear you, but when Hanifin kneecaps the GM like he did, it is bound to affect the return.

It could have been worse though, Tampa didn’t have much in assets to trade, so at least there’s that👍.

07 Mar 2024 23:09:22
@Chickenfoot Yeah heard Flames went back to Tampa to tell them their offer from Vegas and Tampa panicked trying to up their offer but it was too late. Vegas basically asked the Flames what they wanted and offered up something similar. Glad they stepped in or Tampa would’ve taken advantage of a lose-lose situation for Calgary.

08 Mar 2024 02:08:07
CASUAL: absolutely Tampa would have taken advantage, and you have to admire Vegas’ absolute determination to win at any cost. I was impressed mostly by how Conroy and his team have handled their first deadline.

As usual, so many teams improved themselves SO much. It’s going to make for some great playoffs, and of course, some VERY disappointed fanbases when some very good teams are out in the first round.

09 Mar 2024 03:11:17
I don’t think his value was affected as much as you say. Yes he was being picky about where he was willing to resign which anyone would be but to my knowledge he had no trade protection so he could’ve went anywheres. He was traded as a rental because he is a rental.

09 Mar 2024 11:20:21
He had a modified NTC where he had an 8 team list of where he wouldn't go. Idk if Conroy allowed for communication to happen in regards to an extension with any team he was potentially going to then it definitely opened up the window for Hanafin to say: "I'm not signing an extension here. " I think he resigns with Vegas. Vegas will dump a contract for cheap like they did with Smith and be on their way.

06 Mar 2024 20:44:37
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Brodie
Timmons
1st Round Pick 2024 or 2026 (STL choice at this upcoming draft)


If Treliving wants to make a serious splash on Defense this is the type of trade he should make, is it enough to get Parayko is the biggest question.



Thoughts ?

07 Mar 2024 22:17:12
- is the reality of the leafs trade deadline moves registering with you in any way Pinball?

- Treliving inherited years of mismanagement from Dubas. The lineup is top-heavy and years of trading picks have left few real prospects and only 3/ 9 picks for the next 3 years’ first 3 rounds of the draft.

- Treliving was always going to be limited in what he could do at the deadline. Everyone seems to understand that.

- given what he inherited, I’d say Treliving has done some decent bargain bin shopping to address his back end needs.

- Edmundson is battling a variety of physical ailments, but he will play smartly within his limitations and make the front of the net unpleasant for opponents.

- Boosh will be a good add for the leafs back end too. Neither he nor Eddy cost much in assets, and they addressed the leafs’ most obvious needs: defensive depth. (As many here have pointed out to you. )

- if the feedback to your one-sided trades that mostly focused on adding forwards doesn’t register with you, perhaps the reality of this trade deadline’s moves and asset costs will.

09 Mar 2024 11:33:18
Treliving improved the team without breaking the bank. Dewar can slot in at any forward position, kill penalties, physical for his size. Boosh and Edmundson add that snarl on the backend.

This wasn't the year to big game hunt. We didn't have the prospect depth or the draft capital that other teams were working with. Hell, we don't have a draft pick in 2025 until the 5th round. This group is going to have to come together down the stretch; continue playing with a bit of snarl and a chip on their shoulder; and hopefully one of the goalies gets hot at the right time.

06 Mar 2024 20:18:08
To Toronto- Parayko and Neighbours

To Blues - Brodie, Minten, Niemela and 2024 first

blues could then flip Brodie for a pick with some retention.

07 Mar 2024 12:57:29
I watched the Blues a couple days after making a Parayko trade and he’s still a horse. the contract is a little scary but he’s solid out there.
Neighbours was also one of the best Blues players out there, I’m guessing he’s next to untouchable.

07 Mar 2024 13:22:36
That doesnt get you parayko not at all. Neighbors isn't for sale. Why would anyone do that?