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26 Jun 2024 20:22:27
Looking at the Cutter Gauthier trade, a deal like this seems plausible.
WPG : McGroarty
MTL : Barron, 2024 1st (WPG)
MTL gets a young promising prospect, which fits their timeline, assuming he accepts to sign in MTL.
WPG get their 1st round pick back from the Monahan trade, get a young right-handed Dman with upside currently stuck in a logjam of young dmen in MTL, who's also former late first round-pick and reunite him with his brother.
Comparing this deal with the Gauthier trade :
Gauthier > McGroarty
Drysdale > Barron
2025 2nd < 2024 1st
1.) 26 Jun 2024 21:30:29
I think Winnipeg holds out for something better. A defenseman that couldn't crack Montreal's lineup consistently and needs to go through waivers this year, doesn't add much value to a late 1st.
2.) 26 Jun 2024 21:34:53
Gauthier >= McGroarty*
(Considering on the stacked team Gauthier is)
3.) 28 Jun 2024 15:31:24
- MTL adds.
- Barron & Harris are definitely the two D most likely to be traded.
- Barron would get to play with his brother, and perhaps the brother dynamic helps them both be happy playing in the NHL's most challenging climate.
- Barron is an intriguing prospect. He scored a career-high 7 goals in only 48 games last year. A 22 year-old RD with 30 points in 94 games is an attractive hockey prospect to hockey people, whether in MTL or elsewhere.
25 Feb 2024 21:54:11
MTL : Jordan Harris
LAK : Alex Turcotte
Former high draft pick with potential, who's also a pending RFA and has had mild offensive production at the pro level for a young mobile 3rd pair dman with some potential but has been dealing with multiple injuries this season.
LA probably gets an upgrade for their 3rd, MTL gets another pending RFA "reclamation" project and eases the logjam of young defensemen in their lineup
1.) 26 Feb 2024 10:03:42
- I agree that MTL will need to move some of their young D that they’ve developed, and that Harris is one of the likely candidates.
- I think Harris easily has top-4 potential, and I don’t see Turcotte as enough of a return for Harris. With so many teams needing cheap young D, I see Harris yielding more than Turcotte.
2.) 26 Feb 2024 13:09:01
I think Turcotte could definitely turn into a top 6 player still. Everything is there, just needs to put it together. I do think that Harris may be one they hold onto.
Correct me if I'm wrong Habs fans but future dpairings are potentially likely to look like this:
Guhle-Reinbracher
Harris-Mailloux
Struble-Kovacievic/ Barron
Assuming they all develop accordingly and no significant injuries that's a pretty well rounded d group to potentially have in the future.
3.) 26 Feb 2024 14:56:03
By the time Mathesson contract ends up engstrom and konyuskov will be NHL ready, and you forgot xhekaj, so I think Harris, stubble and Barron are expendable pieces for the habs.
4.) 26 Feb 2024 18:09:51
@Bfg2357 I'll be the first to admit I'm not well versed with the Habs prospect pool so if you as a Habs fan is saying that then I'll believe it. Think there's an outside chance qe could see Xhekaj move to forward and play a 4th line role?
5.) 26 Feb 2024 19:21:32
I tend to agree BFG.
No matter how it goes, some teams will get some good young D in trade with the Habs, who need to turn some of those prospects on D into a quality high-end piece up front. (Not Zegras. )
6.) 26 Feb 2024 22:58:20
I would like to see xhekaj as a forward, so when he fight, we still have 6 d available, but I don't think they will do it, he's a good bottom pairing D with some offensive upside.
7.) 27 Feb 2024 10:01:17
I hear what you’re thinking about turning X into a forward, but his vision from the point is sneaky good too, and he just won the Habs’ hardest shot contest when he fired a 106 slapper.
I totally understand the creativity of the suggestion, especially given the glut of young D, but this guy just seems like he’s perfectly suited to being an intimidating F. O. defender with some sneaky offensive skills.
8.) 27 Feb 2024 12:23:47
Damn that's a bomb from the point. I was looking at it from the standpoint you move him upfront and you still keep the majority of young dmen coming up. Seen it before with Deslauriers and a few other guys who played D and got moved up front. I think him on a 3rd or 4th line would be fun to see especially with his brother (think mighty ducks d2 ?) . But very hard to justify moving a guy who can hammer the puck like that from his natural position back there. Hopefully they utilize him a bit more on the PP and give him the chance to get his offense going.
9.) 27 Feb 2024 16:57:42
Future dcore would imo look more like this
Matheson reinbacher
Hutson Guhle
Mailloux (xhekaj struble)
10.) 27 Feb 2024 18:29:29
That's awesome MG, and I forgot the Deslauriers was a d-man. I love to box and have a soft spot for the ham 'n eggers. The character it takes to do that job is something I respect very much.
30 Jan 2024 16:06:48
NSH : Joakim Kemell
MTL : Josh Anderson
Nashville has plenty of cap space and their top 9 winger position lacks depth and scoring. They get a hard playing, speedy, scoring winger who plays on the PK, can play of the PP and who's underperforming on a team with abysmal offense, which skews his production. The last 3 years with MTL show that he probably is a 20+ goal scorer on a better team, looking at his scoring pace :
20-21 : 17G/52GP -> 26G/82GP
21-22 : 19G/69GP -> 22G/82GP
22-23 : 21G/69GP -> 24G/82GP
Kemell is a mid-1st round selection in 2022, he's 19 and showing good offensive prowess in the AHL.
Some would say that it's a steep price to pay by giving up a promising 19 year old but Anderson's play style fits perfectly Nashville's needs, especially come playoff time while potentially adding a good amount of scoring, energy and *intangibles* to their lineup
1.) 30 Jan 2024 18:19:35
Don't see Nashville as a fit for Anderson. think they would rather have Kemell as he is a pretty good prospect.
2.) 30 Jan 2024 18:42:14
No one is paying to take on a cap dump. It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract.
3.) 30 Jan 2024 19:25:43
You make a compelling case as usual Matador, kudos.
I'm inclined to keep Anderson, because he's a rare combination of size and speed. He terrorized the opposing D with his size and speed on the cup run a few years ago. Anyone whose ever played the game can appreciate Anderson and what he brings.
Nonetheless, you're a thought-provoking read as usual. Cheers man.
4.) 31 Jan 2024 03:28:34
« It will cost at least a couple unprotected firsts to dump Anderson and return a bad contract. »
What a bad take.
5.) 31 Jan 2024 14:00:25
Actually not matador. I know a lot of fans in Montreal don't like to admit it, but Anderson is one of the 2 or 3 worst contracts in the league.
A pure, unadulterated cap dump. You can tell by all the exaggerating that you had to do to his stats above just to make him sound barely passable as a bottom sixer and adding the BS "intangibles" crap.
6.) 31 Jan 2024 14:09:33
The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him.
You can't pay the 12th/ 13th forward on your team top 6 money for another 3 1/ 2 years.
7.) 31 Jan 2024 15:39:30
Anderson is absolutely overpaid I don’t think any team takes him at his caphit that’s currently in a playoff spot. With that being said a team near the bottom of the standings would probably take him on for free. Maybe San Jose. Kemell for him is laughable. But no it wouldn’t take multiple 1sts to dump him and I don’t think he’s a top 5 worst contract. Just a 3rd liner being paid as a 2nd liner.
8.) 31 Jan 2024 15:56:16
- it's been established that it would cost a 1st and a 3rd to move Jack Campbell, who isn't even an NHL player at this point.
- how can it possibly cost a "couple of unprotected 1st round picks" to move 3 more years of Josh Anderson's 5.5M contract?
- Anderson's contract represents 6.75% of his team's salary cap. Next year it represents 6.28%. To suggest trading 2 unprotected firsts is an absolutely hysterical over-reaction, especially since MTL probably won't come close to using all the LTIR space available to them for the life of Anderson's contract.
9.) 31 Jan 2024 16:17:10
I would contend Chickenfoot, that Edmonton fans "hope and dream" it would only cost a first to dump Campbell. Reality is, no one is taking him if that is all they get. The exception being a team that decides to tank.
Instead of using a guess of what it takes to moves player, why not use an actual transaction?
Montreal has a perfect one. Calgary needed to pay a first to dump one year and $6.4 mil of Monahan. Why would dumping over 3 years of Anderson and over $16.5 mil of cap not cost more than a 1st?
To suggest any team is going to handcuff themselves with Anderson's contract because of "intangibles" for less is utter fantasy.
10.) 31 Jan 2024 17:50:31
Yeah actually agree Campbell will cost more than a 1st and 3rd if it’s a straight cap dump and not taking a bad contract back.
11.) 31 Jan 2024 18:09:26
MEMARCUS:
- I referenced a 1st and a 3rd, which has been widely reported. (You just mentioned the 1st above, so I just wanted to correct that. )
- If I'm MTL I'd take a 1st and a 3rd to take on that contract, especially if the 1st is a 2025 instead of a 2024. (MTL isn't close to contending, and has tonnes of LTIR space, especially after they move some of their UFA's. ) MTL could easily bury Campbell's contract in their system without needing to buy it out, so you bet I'd take the Campbell contract for a 1st & 3rd.
- regarding Anderson, I wouldn't want to move him, and I pointed out why I thought your suggestion to move him for "2 unprotected firsts" was a hysterical over-reaction. I respect you don't like the player, but two firsts? That's a big price to pay to solve a cap issue that doesn't exist.
- MTL isn't and won't be in a cap crunch during the life of Anderson's contract. CGY was desperate to offload Monahan so they could add to what they felt was a contending lineup at the time. MTL isn't a contender, and faces no such cap pressure. Why trade two firsts to solve a problem that doesn't exist?
12.) 31 Jan 2024 18:59:19
Chickenfoot,
Yeah, I realized after I posted that I forgot the 3rd, but I was thinking 1st & 3rd when I wrote it.
I agreed that yes a tanking, or team that is not trying to compete might take on Campbell, even at a 1st & 3rd.
I can understand that Montreal isn't in a cap crunch and doesn't need to move Anderson, I agree keeping him is the smartest play. I wrote my response in context to the proposal from matador. No one it's paying assets to take on Anderson without either an equal bad contract going back or max retention. He absolutely is a negative value player.
So, having to pay a couple firsts to dump Anderson's full value contract isn't out of line with historic comparables like Monahan and Marleau.
Montreal's best bet would be to keep Anderson until he is a pending UFA and try and move him at that TDL with max retention. That may net a modest return depending on how Anderson is playing.
13.) 01 Feb 2024 02:54:28
I respectfully disagree that Anderson is a negative value player. I think it’s safe to say we see the game very differently. I neither see the player nor his contract as burdensome in any way.
I’ll also add that for a player that’s been getting negative attention on here lately he sure seems to be getting in a lot of trade scenarios.
As for the Monahan & Marleau comparability, I just don’t see it. Both CGY & the leafs made those trades after mismanaging their cap situation. There is absolutely no comparison to be made with Anderson or the Habs.
Last but not least, you can be MTL is receiving calls on Anderson, but they’re not shopping him. He was outstanding in the Habs cup run. NJ was in on him not long ago too.
14.) 01 Feb 2024 12:15:52
« The same reason Montreal fans want to dump Anderson, he's massively overpaid for what he brings, is the same reasons no other team wants him. »
No, the reason MTL fans wish for him to be traded is to get more assets for their rebuild, the same way they want Monahan traded. Also, I don’t know what MTL games you’ve watched but to claim that Anderson’s a 12/13th forward is rich. There is a market for him, his value is not negative (MTL reportedly got offered a 1st last season), GMs like his play style although he is overpaid. It looks like Hughes is getting calls on him but not biting. Tell me you’ve never watched a player play without telling me
15.) 01 Feb 2024 12:16:23
Or that you’re just biaised because you hate the player for some time bscure reason
16.) 01 Feb 2024 13:23:51
We'll have to agree to disagree Chickenfoot. The only trade scenarios you see on here and other sites involving Anderson are always Montreal fans trying to push Anderson on another team. It's been years since I've seen any opposing team ask for Anderson.
I did say that I agree that since Montreal isn't worried about cap space, they aren't under any pressure to move him. I'm just saying if they did decide to move Anderson, they are dealing with a negative value asset.
Respectfully, he's an average bottom 6 player being paid top 6 money. That doesn't hold positive value to anyone. I haven't seen any credible report from anyone other than Montreal writers about anyone wanting Anderson, so I think that's just Hughes trying to create a market where there isn't one.
17.) 01 Feb 2024 13:37:16
I have enjoyed the discussion though Chickenfoot.
18.) 02 Feb 2024 12:26:03
MEMARCUS: it's always a pleasure to talk hockey. Have a good Friday!
17 Jan 2024 13:26:30
To add to Chickenfoot's previous post :
MTL :
- Jake Allen (50% retention -> 1.925M until 2025)
- Tanner Pearson (3.25M until 2024)
EDM :
- Jack Campbell (cap dump -> 5M until 2027)
- 2025 1st, 2025 4th
- Dylan Holloway
EDM gets rid of Campbell's contract, get a decent 1B in Allen at a low cap hit and gets a rental depth forward to improve over one of their 3rd line wingers, Janmark or Ryan.
MTL gets a 1st to take on Campbell's contract for buyout purposes and gets a decent young forward in Holloway as well as a 4th for both Allen and Pearson
1.) 17 Jan 2024 15:51:41
Nobody taking on Campbell Oilers stuck with that horrible signing.
2.) 17 Jan 2024 17:14:25
Is Pearson an upgrade on Janmark or Ryan? Maybe slightly when he’s healthy. In these trades the Oilers get marginally better in year one (Pickard to Allen) and they don’t save any money. Year 2 and 3 they save a little money (Campbell and Pickard = 4.5M, Allen 2M) but those savings plus Allen being the better goalie isn’t worth the 1st, 4th and Holloway.
I know it’s not going to be cheap to get rid of Campbell and maybe this is close but I’m not a huge fan of it. I’d rather eat the buyout or leave him in the minors.
3.) 17 Jan 2024 18:34:15
Matador: I can see this as a possible solution in EDM?.
11 Jan 2024 23:49:55
Anaheim : Zegras
MTL : 2024 1st*, Mesar, Harris, 2025 2nd round pick
*Pick top-10 protected, reverts to 2025 pick if top-10 or higher.
Zegras' age fits MTL's rebuilding timeline and gets to play with his good buddy Caufield.
With Gauthier eventually joining the team and with Carlsson and MacTavish down the middle, it looks like Zegras might be on his way out . Anaheim gets more early round picks for their rebuild, a good forward prospect in Mesar and a decent young defenseman in Harris who can play both sides and can slot in their lineup instantly
1.) 12 Jan 2024 02:15:05
A protected first as the main piece isn't getting Zegras.
2.) 12 Jan 2024 02:30:24
Zegras is fancy, makes a really nice Michigan goal here and there, but I don't see him being worth all that. I'm sure lots will disagree with me, but he's not a great all around player. No thanks.
3.) 12 Jan 2024 19:47:20
No way. Agree with previous post. Return for Zegras is too high. Mesar is a childhood buddy of Slavkosky’s in Slovakia, drafted in 1st round with him, + did great in WJHC so he’s not going anywhere. ZEGRAS IS ONE DIMENSION & sound like a prima donna. Hard pass.
4.) 13 Jan 2024 02:08:10
DeBrincat got number 7, 39 and a 3rd. In this deal it would probably end up being Montreals 2025 1st (probably top 10), pick around 40, a recent 1st rounder.
5.) 13 Jan 2024 22:43:11
@Ebsolutely, I don't think the habs end up bottom 10 next year. I see them selecting mid round, right outside of the playoffs. Their team is full of young promising players that will only get better with more games under their belt
6.) 14 Jan 2024 15:14:53
I just watched them play the Oil and they played a good game I just don’t think they have the lineup to be that good next year. 4-12 I think is where they’ll finish. I think they can over achieve and just miss playoffs but it’s more likely they’ll finish top 12.
7.) 14 Jan 2024 16:03:18
Zegras is potentially the guy with most controversy surrounding his value. Some say top 25-50 player with top 25 potential, others say bust and injury prone.
26 Jul 2024 12:25:57
There's a pretty significant difference in value between Hutson and Mailloux. I'm sure the jets would be interested in a 1 for 1 deal (Mcgroarty for Hutson) but I doubt MTL would agree
28 Jun 2024 20:40:32
I can't really see MTL doing this either. Glass is already 25, not worth all that much and is a dime a plenty on the MTL roster. Askarov sounds great, but the need isn't really there, especially for a 1st.
26 Jun 2024 21:34:53
Gauthier >= McGroarty*
(Considering on the stacked team Gauthier is)
26 Jun 2024 17:08:14
Habs are probably not moving Guhle, indeed. He plays hard, eats lots of minutes with great defensive play, has good transition skills and has sneaky offensive skills which he's still developping, only at 22. If they moved him, they'd have to fill a significant hole on their D, which a guy like Buium might take a while to fill.
03 Jun 2024 13:48:11
If I’m the habs I’d rather hang onto Barron. He’s still young and has a nice tool set, along with top 4 potential
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