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06 Feb 2023 17:18:00
SJ: Karlsson ('23 2nd)

CAR: Kotkaniemi ('23 2nd)


- swap 2023 2nd rounders
- swap one overpaid player for an over-termed one.

CAROLINA:

- not big on trading futures.

- the KK offer-sheet has been a disaster.

- legit Cup shot this year is worth sacrificing their cap for 4 years, especially getting that gawdy KK deal off the books.

SAN JOSE:

- is tearing it down, and with Karlsson rejuvenated, this is the time to move him out.

- is unlikely to want to buy out or Karlsson's ridiculous 11.5M/season cap hit given it will cost them an average of 4.66M over 8 years.

- might as well take 7 more years of KK @ 4.82M/season, which is a hair more than the buyout cap hit for Karlsson. (At least then you can tell your fan base you have a 22 year-old C prospect with upside.)

Chickenfoot

1.) 06 Feb 2023 17:54:18
Good post and fair trade though I think that Carolina would want a bit more.


2.) 06 Feb 2023 18:06:39
You are waaaay off on Karlsson value.


3.) 06 Feb 2023 19:34:51
Yup let’s reunite Burns and Karlsson because that worked out fantastic in San Jose…ohh wait.

These are 2 very good PP specialists who just don’t work well together at all.


4.) 06 Feb 2023 21:52:31
Karlsons contract makes him hard to fit in for any cap team strapped team.


5.) 06 Feb 2023 23:03:37
I think Karlsson's value is a lot higher than KK's value. Sure KK has upside and could still turn out to be a good top 6 player, but Karlsson is at a 1.29PPG production as a dman. He's earning his high cap hit this year


6.) 06 Feb 2023 23:23:23
VB: as always you are “unintentionally hilarious”.

You are correct that Burns and Karlsson “don’t work well together at all. ”

They are both Right Defence.

They'd play in separate pairings.

Think it through.

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7.) 06 Feb 2023 23:53:06
JET & MATADOR: I agree with you both. But even if SJ retains 3M, it’s near impossible for any contender to fit in the remaining 8.5M. Also, I don’t see SJ ownership choosing to retain 3M x 4 more seasons.

I suggested KK because taking a bad contract back is more palatable to an owner than writing cheques for a player to go elsewhere.

Too much term vs too much AAV, or taking back salary vs a buyout or retained salary. They’re all tough sells to ownership. SJ will have to pick whichever poison that tastes the best. As good as Karlsson is this year, he’s a burden to a rebuilding team, and that bad foot of his is a HUGE risk to whoever acquires him.

It will be interesting ?.


 

 

02 Feb 2023 19:22:19
I've been saying the leafs don't need another slick player like Meier, or other skill guys like him. They need:

- depth in net
- shutdown D
- pain-in-the-butt F who draws penalties and gets the leaf PP on the ice.

Given that Dubas mismanaged his cap early and often, he needs to add cheaply in "cap space", which costs market prices in "assets" to do. (i.e. taking back bad contracts or retaining salary will cost draft picks, prospects, or both.)

Last night's game showed why the leafs haven't won in the playoffs.
Nothing is guaranteed except defeat if they roll this regular-season team out once again to play playoff hockey.



TRADE #1 (P.I.B. FWD with PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE)

SJ:

- Bonino (UFA, 50% retained)

TOR:

- Simmonds (UFA, Cap Dump)
- 3rd (OTT - '23)
- 2nd ('24)
- 4th ('24)

(CAP CHANGE: Adds 125K to leaf cap)


TRADE #2 (DEPTH G with PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE)

DAL:

- Khudobin (UFA, 50% retained)

TOR:

- Holmberg
- 6th ('23)

(CAP CHANGE: Adds 541,666K to leaf cap)


TRADE #3 (SHUTDOWN NASTY D, POSSIBLE TO RE-SIGN)

CLB:

- Gavrikov (UFA, 50% retained)

TOR:

- Sandin
- 1st ('23)
- 2nd ('24)
- 5th ('23)

(CAP CHANGE: $0)


COMBINED CAP CHANGE: $666,666.

That's a lot of sixes. While it might seem like a "deal with the devil", it sure would go a long way to making this group of sweethearts a lot more playoff ready.

It's a lot of futures for a shot at the present, but at least it's a realistic leaf trade on this site for a change. Either way, Dubas and the entire leaf leadership will be fired before the draft.

Chickenfoot

1.) 02 Feb 2023 21:51:36
Gavrikov is not a nasty dman. Slightly physical yes. That's about it. Also no need to "dump" the Simmonds contract. He only makes 900k. Bonino is not worth 3 picks unless they are all late picks. Also wouldnt give up Holmberg for a goalie who is just ok.

Politely disagree.


2.) 02 Feb 2023 21:53:32
Also giving up a good young dman in Sandin plus a 1st and 2 other picks for a UFA isn't good business sense. Terrible asset management.


3.) 02 Feb 2023 23:31:07
COULSON: Just my two cents, but my leaf fan neighbour buds want Simmonds gone as fast as possible. He’s a one-dimensional player who makes a stupid play more often than not that costs his team.

Because the leafs are so up against the cap his contract has to go. Cap space available now disappears when the injured return.

In my humble opinion the leafs desperately need a Bonino type. They are too easy to play against and game plan for the playoffs. Marchand may be an idiot, but he just called the leafs out as soft, and that’s the prevailing opinion about them. It’ll be interesting to see what happens eh?


4.) 03 Feb 2023 02:38:54
I agree they need toughness, I just dont like the trades. Gavrikov shouldn't get more than a 1st and a prospect like Hirvonen. He is good, but not worth your suggestion.

I am fine with getting rid of Simmonds, its the giving up 3 picks for a bottom six player and Simmonds contract really is inconsequential.


5.) 03 Feb 2023 12:47:39
COULSON: I really like guys like Bonino, Zuccarello, Gallagher (in his younger days), that do the things in playoff hockey that are all about “will”, and less about skill. Paying the price, or having the nads to do something to drag your team into the fight.

Championship teams need a bit of everything, and while I appreciate Bunting’s style, there isn’t enough sandpaper as that team is currently constituted. Prices will be high for cap relief, but the leafs are spent into a corner already. They have to go for it now and do what they have to. Dubas doesn’t get another shot at this.


6.) 03 Feb 2023 18:12:35
My issue is not the leafs trading for Bonino, it's the cost associated with getting them that you posted. Bonino is a 3rd liner. I can see trading a 2nd for him.


 

 

02 Feb 2023 15:25:59
MTL: Hoffman

CGY: 4th ('23)

or 2nd ('23) with 50% retention.


Treliving wants a shooter, and Hoffman has looked much better in the past month. With a better C feeding that shot of his he would be far more productive than the 20-goal pace he's on.

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30 Jan 2023 19:29:05
3-Way Trade:

MTL:

- Edmundson to EDM (25% retained)
- Dadonov to EDM (50% retained)

- Gallagher to ANA (25% retained)- - Ylonen to ANA
- 3rd (2023) to ANA
- 5th (2024) to ANA


ANA:

- Gallagher to EDM (retains 50%)


EDM:

- 1st (2023) to MTL
- 5th (2023) to MTL
- 5th (2024) to MTL
- Foegle to MTL (clears 2 years x 2.75M)
- Puljujärvi (Clear Cap)

- 3rd (2023) to ANA


RESULT:

- MTL gets a 1st & 2 5th, and clears Gallagher's contract off the books. (Gally waives to get another Cup shot near home)

- ANA turns available cap space into 3 picks and a prospect to retain 2.438M x the next 4 seasons.

- EDM gets a big, top-4 D, for this season and next, and hometown boy Gally at a fraction of his current contract, and a guy (Dadonov) who might fit in beautifully with the talented top-9 in EDM in exchange for a 1st, 3rd, and 2 5ths, while getting the salary relief to make much needed additions.

W.W.K.D.

Chickenfoot

1.) 30 Jan 2023 22:08:00
Hard pass from Edmonton edmunson is a train wreak health wise so I don’t see it happening.


2.) 31 Jan 2023 01:53:52
not bad at all value wise imo, but the only issue I have with it is that I don’t think Montreal will ever trade Gallagher. I think he’s possibly a Hab for life, he’s a great leader.


3.) 31 Jan 2023 03:36:29
Gain 2 injured players and lose the 1st rounder in a good draft year. pass from edm.


4.) 31 Jan 2023 10:14:40
It will be fascinating to see what Kenny will do. The lineup is amazing, but incomplete, and there’s no cap space to work with.

But…Kenny is a HOF GM, so you have to figure he’ll come up with something great.

He better too, because whatever he does, or doesn’t do, he will be judged accordingly. Ultimately he’ll have to put it all on his he line and take a major risk because he can’t risk doing little or nothing.


5.) 31 Jan 2023 15:07:27
Oilers need to find a way to get out from under the Campbell and Nurse contracts. Problem is that they both have no trade clauses.

If they could convince Arizona to take them there could be a trade Center if around Chykrun, Crouse and Ved (goalie) . Edmonton would have to throw in Puliarvi and a few more prospects and/ or picks.

Big thing is convincing Nurse and Campbell.

This is a bid deal but if done would really help the Oilers . I am not an Oilers fan.


 

 

26 Jan 2023 18:02:05
MTL: Monahan (50% retention)

COL: 3rd ('25) + 6th ('23)


Monahan was playing well this year, but ultimately injuries have led him to miss almost half of MTL's games.

He is an ideal, 2-way Center, and a personality that would mesh well with any dressing room. The problem is he just can't stay healthy.

IF Monahan returns, plays well, and stays healthy, maybe that 3rd becomes a 2nd, but at this point I think that's a stretch.

It's hard for a team to confidently trade for a guy who has trouble staying healthy, especially for a playoff run, but for a 3rd and a 6th with 50% retention is prudent risk for COL to take.

Chickenfoot

1.) 27 Jan 2023 03:30:28
For a 3rd and 6th I'd rather just try and negotiate a contract to keep him around, help mentor the young guys. However, out of respect to the player, ask him what he wants.

I dont think the evaluation is off, just he's such a good guy to have around for all the youth., he's really not that old himself. I honestly don't know what a contract for him would look like, but if the price is reasonable, and he's open to the rebuild process, I think that could be very valuable for Montreal.


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2023 14:32:19
Off-Season Bobrovsky Contract Options:

CAP HIT: Next 3 seasons at 10M/year.

TRADE: less likely, given FLA has already traded their next three 1st-round picks, and moving it wouldn't be cheap.

BUYOUT: to buy out the next 3 years it would create a cap hit of 6.666M for 3 years, plus 3 more years at 1.666M. Ugly, but necessary. Bob's game is structurally unsound and at 35 to start next season he's unlikely to be able to change some of his bad habits. (i.e. side to side movement.)

The buyout is ugly, but why waste one more season of this team's core? (At least it's better than the MIN buyout.)

Like Buckley's, it will taste awful, but it will work (better) than status quo.

Chickenfoot

1.) 17 Jan 2023 19:07:46
3 years of saving 3.4M then 3 years of only 1.6M isn’t actually that bad. They don’t really have any expiring contracts so maybe they wait one more season with him?


 

 

09 Aug 2022 13:11:34
I'm curious how WPG fans assess PLD's trade value. (Full respect WPG fans - sorry to bring this up.)

I respect Jets' fans and I hope they get good value for him in the way Treliving with Gaudreau.

Given that PLD will have to wait 2 years to "possibly" sign with MTL, and the fact that every NHL team now knows his preferred spot, his in-season trade value is impacted. It seems like the best chance to trade him is as a deadline rental. (For several reasons I don't see MTL as a logical trading partner.)

At the Trade Deadline I can see a max value for PLD as a 1st and a 2nd or a good prospect. At the least I see a 1st.

I'm curious how WPG fans see this ending. Island Jet, you're a legit WPG fan and a prudent/realistic observer. How do you see the PLD saga concluding, and where do you gauge the return?

(My apologies if this posts twice. I posted yesterday but perhaps something went wrong on my end?).

Chickenfoot

1.) 09 Aug 2022 15:08:53
I believe that if the Jets can't sign PLD by the trade deadline the Jets have 3 options.
1. trade him around the new year to a team that has a young skilled player that needs a change 1 for 1. Similar to the Laine trade.
2. trade him at the deadline in which they will get a couple of prospects and draft choices. This is a future trade if the Jets believe they need a do a rebuild.
3 trade him at the draft where they will get the best return of a top end player, A prospect and/ or high draft pick.


2.) 10 Aug 2022 05:08:18
I think assuming he is dead set on signing with the habs is ignorant. I’m sure if a team like Tampa has the cap room he’d consider there in a few years.


 

 

08 Aug 2022 16:55:44
Just to change the subject a little.?.I'm curious about what WPG fans think about PLD's trade value.

First and foremost, I respect WPG fans, and I want them to have a great season and get a fair deal for the PLD asset.

Given that PLD is an RFA this coming June, and a UFA the following June, and given his interest in landing in MTL eventually, his value seems to be that of a pure deadline rental. Whoever gets him knows they're unlikely to re-sign him.

I doubt the Habs will trade for him. It's not the right fit for a few reasons. Therefore, if true Cup contender is looking for a 2C-3C for a playoff run this year and next, I suspect his max-value is:

1st & 2nd

or

1st & decent prospect

What do you think Jets fans? What will he bring, and when will he be traded?

Chickenfoot

1.) 08 Aug 2022 18:59:18
I would like to see the Jets trade him 1 for 1 to a team that needs a change from one of their young, top end centre/ wingers. This type of trade can happen anytime by January or at the draft. If the Jets trade PLD at the deadline they will get A prospects and/ or high draft picks.
I would like to see them get a 1 for 1 top end player but if PLD doesn't sign long term before the deadline then he has to go by the draft.


2.) 09 Aug 2022 13:24:50
PLD's minimum value at the TDL in two years is a first and a good prospect.

So, if he is moved now, you would need to pay for those extra two years and would need to add probably either another good prospect or a young top 6 player.

Most likely nothing happens until next summer unless Chevy gets a too good to be true offer.


 

 

 

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07 Feb 2023 15:29:19
Good one Renidrag. Competition for Luke could easily make him a 2nd. He's performed well.

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06 Feb 2023 23:53:06
JET & MATADOR: I agree with you both. But even if SJ retains 3M, it’s near impossible for any contender to fit in the remaining 8.5M. Also, I don’t see SJ ownership choosing to retain 3M x 4 more seasons.

I suggested KK because taking a bad contract back is more palatable to an owner than writing cheques for a player to go elsewhere.

Too much term vs too much AAV, or taking back salary vs a buyout or retained salary. They’re all tough sells to ownership. SJ will have to pick whichever poison that tastes the best. As good as Karlsson is this year, he’s a burden to a rebuilding team, and that bad foot of his is a HUGE risk to whoever acquires him.

It will be interesting ?.

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06 Feb 2023 23:31:56
VB: this is getting embarrassing man. His nickname is “Bison King”. (Don’t take my word for it, Google it. )

I’m not sure why you’re so fascinated by me, but with every angry reply you throw my way you just embarrass yourself and come off unhinged.

Relax…go for a walk…whatever it takes. I’m here to talk hockey, not argue with you.

thehockeywriters. com/ jesse-puljujarvi-bison-king-moniker-perfect-fit/.

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06 Feb 2023 23:23:23
VB: as always you are “unintentionally hilarious”.

You are correct that Burns and Karlsson “don’t work well together at all. ”

They are both Right Defence.

They'd play in separate pairings.

Think it through.

?.

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06 Feb 2023 17:36:54
EBS: I completely agree with you on the proposed Harris trade for Borg + 1st, and Monahan getting a conditional 2nd.

Any team trading for Monahan should definitely attempt to get him for a conditional pick based on his ability to stay healthy, which is still very much an open question.

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