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05 Mar 2024 16:12:52
EDM Trades:
- Jack Campbell's turd of a contract.
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('25)
MTL Trades:
- Allen
- Campbell's minor league cap hit and Allen's actual cap hit are an identical 3.85M, and therefore cancel each other out this year and next.
- the 2nd & 3rd are compensation for the Habs having the last two years of Campbell's contract. (It also acknowledges the weakness of the current goalie market giving Allen little value.)
- this gives EDM a credible, veteran, NHL backup who isn't good enough to spook Skinner, but provides a real opportunity to reduce Skinner's playing time before the playoff grind. (Allen has Cup experience as a back-up, and knows what a good back-up needs to do to support the starter.)
- MTL solves their crease and turns it over to the kids. (They can buy out or trade the last 2 years of Campbell if necessary.)
- Contingent on Allen & Campbell waiving their NTC's.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 17:32:52
For this I think I would rather give future considerations and snag the first from your previous offer.
2.) 05 Mar 2024 18:04:23
Take more than that to get rid of Campbell's contract.
3.) 05 Mar 2024 20:04:01
I'd still want a first for taking that contract.
4.) 05 Mar 2024 20:45:20
You have a deal Chickenfoot!
5.) 06 Mar 2024 00:56:16
Montreal declines.
6.) 06 Mar 2024 03:11:24
I rather keep Allen and free cap space next year, we don't need picks.
7.) 06 Mar 2024 13:55:38
I think Montreal would want more but, I think you’re right and the Oilers taking back Allen might lessen the picks given up. Oil would rather stick with Pickard at 800K considering how well he’s played.
05 Mar 2024 15:57:41
EDM Trades:
- Jack Campbell (contingent upon him waiving his NTC)
- 1st (2025 - better quality draft)
- 3rd (2024)
CHI, ANA, or MTL:
- Future Considerations
- EDM dumps Campbell's deal at the expected price to whoever will take it.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 16:25:28
Would you take Allen for that? Take away the 3rd coming back.
2.) 05 Mar 2024 18:05:35
This is closer.
3.) 05 Mar 2024 18:06:28
SOSA: check out the other trade I had posted regarding the inclusion of Allen. I think it works for both as well, but you be the judge.
05 Mar 2024 14:57:55
PIT Trades:
- Guentzel (25% retained)
VCR Trades:
- Podkolzin
- 1st ('25)
- 4th ('25)
- PIT receives 3 pieces they're looking for.
- VCR stays aggressive in going for it this year.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 16:26:15
I think the Canucks should focus more on a dman?
2.) 05 Mar 2024 20:07:47
Pitts is looking for prospects more than picks.
05 Mar 2024 14:10:49
3 Way Trade:
SEA Trades:
- Wennberg to CHI (50% retained)
CHI Trades:
- Wennberg to NYR (50% retained)
NYR Trades 3 Assets to SEA:
- 2nd ('24)
- 5th ('25)
- Othman
NYR Trades 1 Asset to CHI for retention:
- 6th ('24)
- NYR receives Wennberg at a cap hit of $246,093.
- SEA receives Othman & 2 picks
- CHI receives a 4th for retention.
1.) 05 Mar 2024 14:50:05
They able to do the double 50% retention?
2.) 05 Mar 2024 15:47:20
I think his cap is 4.5M / 2 = 2.25M / 2 = 1.125M. I think a 2nd is too much for Wennberg, Othmann definitely is.
3.) 05 Mar 2024 16:08:00
Wennberg has all the tools to be an effective top 6 guy. He just struggles with consistency and goes through some wicked cold spells which makes it difficult to gauge where his value is at. NYR is definitely looking to make a move or two to really bolster the lineup for a long playoff run.
4.) 05 Mar 2024 16:24:32
MG: Yes, you can have two teams retaining 50%, but the second team is only retaining 50% of the half of the contract they retained. (Essentially, the team ending up with the asset is getting a 75% discount on the player. )
5.) 05 Mar 2024 16:26:01
EBS: It's going to be VERY interesting to see where this goes. The center market is REALLY tight, and someone is going to overpay. My guess is that it will be the Rangers, but I guess we'll all know soon. the silly season is upon us! : )
6.) 06 Mar 2024 00:57:45
Othman is going no where’s.
27 Feb 2024 14:18:34
TRADE #1:
EDM Trades:
- Gagner
- 5th (2025)
MTL:
- Future Considerations
TRADE #2:
ANA Trades:
- Henrique (50% retention)
EDM TRADES:
- Holloway
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('24)
- EDM trades Gagner's expiring deal to MTL to free up a little cap space.
- MTL gets a 5th for accommodating EDM.
- ANA gets 2 pieces for pending RFA Henrique, plus a 3rd for retention.
- EDM gets their third line center & depth in the bottom 6.
1.) 27 Feb 2024 16:51:49
@Chickenfoot think you meant UFA for Henrique. Regardless though I think the value is there to land Henrique. What an add that would be for the Oilers too. Holloway doesn't seem to be a part of the Oilers future and if they can add a guy like Henrique for the playoffs I think they will be better for it.
2.) 27 Feb 2024 21:05:45
Holloway will be apart of the Oilers future unless he’s traded for a big piece. The 2nd and 3rd might be enough for Henrique. I think he’s a good target for the Oil.
3.) 27 Feb 2024 21:26:29
MG: you are right that I was wrong?
I’m not a big fan of the Oilers’ more notable prospects, but a change of scenery going to a less competitive team can be a boost for some. I would be curious to see him get a shot in ANA, and who doesn’t like some California sun this time of year!
4.) 28 Feb 2024 01:02:31
@Ebsolutely you are overvaluing Holloway big time. A great comparison value wise for him is Nic Robertson. Many people, myself included, don't see Robertson as a trade piece that moves the needle much at all for a big piece. And yet he has more goals, assists, and points than Holloway career wise all while playing less games.
5.) 28 Feb 2024 18:23:33
I didn’t even really put a value on Holloway, I could just see a 2nd and 3rd being enough for Henrique. Holloway plays a big fast game that translates easily to a bottom 6 player, but he still has potential to be a top 6 guy. I think Holloway moves the needle quite a bit in a trade today, if he doesn’t prove much by next year then I’ll agree his value will dip a lot.
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19 Apr 2024 19:44:08
I thought it might be interesting to see some First Round predictions, so I'll be happy to share mine and kick it off:
- NYR in 4
- FLA in 6
- CAR in 6
- BOS is 6
- DAL in 7
- VCR in 6
- WPG in 6
- EDM in 5
16 Jan 2023 14:32:19
Off-Season Bobrovsky Contract Options:
CAP HIT: Next 3 seasons at 10M/year.
TRADE: less likely, given FLA has already traded their next three 1st-round picks, and moving it wouldn't be cheap.
BUYOUT: to buy out the next 3 years it would create a cap hit of 6.666M for 3 years, plus 3 more years at 1.666M. Ugly, but necessary. Bob's game is structurally unsound and at 35 to start next season he's unlikely to be able to change some of his bad habits. (i.e. side to side movement.)
The buyout is ugly, but why waste one more season of this team's core? (At least it's better than the MIN buyout.)
Like Buckley's, it will taste awful, but it will work (better) than status quo.
1.) 17 Jan 2023 19:07:46
3 years of saving 3.4M then 3 years of only 1.6M isn’t actually that bad. They don’t really have any expiring contracts so maybe they wait one more season with him?
09 Aug 2022 13:11:34
I'm curious how WPG fans assess PLD's trade value. (Full respect WPG fans - sorry to bring this up.)
I respect Jets' fans and I hope they get good value for him in the way Treliving with Gaudreau.
Given that PLD will have to wait 2 years to "possibly" sign with MTL, and the fact that every NHL team now knows his preferred spot, his in-season trade value is impacted. It seems like the best chance to trade him is as a deadline rental. (For several reasons I don't see MTL as a logical trading partner.)
At the Trade Deadline I can see a max value for PLD as a 1st and a 2nd or a good prospect. At the least I see a 1st.
I'm curious how WPG fans see this ending. Island Jet, you're a legit WPG fan and a prudent/realistic observer. How do you see the PLD saga concluding, and where do you gauge the return?
(My apologies if this posts twice. I posted yesterday but perhaps something went wrong on my end?).
1.) 09 Aug 2022 15:08:53
I believe that if the Jets can't sign PLD by the trade deadline the Jets have 3 options.
1. trade him around the new year to a team that has a young skilled player that needs a change 1 for 1. Similar to the Laine trade.
2. trade him at the deadline in which they will get a couple of prospects and draft choices. This is a future trade if the Jets believe they need a do a rebuild.
3 trade him at the draft where they will get the best return of a top end player, A prospect and/ or high draft pick.
2.) 10 Aug 2022 05:08:18
I think assuming he is dead set on signing with the habs is ignorant. I’m sure if a team like Tampa has the cap room he’d consider there in a few years.
08 Aug 2022 16:55:44
Just to change the subject a little.?.I'm curious about what WPG fans think about PLD's trade value.
First and foremost, I respect WPG fans, and I want them to have a great season and get a fair deal for the PLD asset.
Given that PLD is an RFA this coming June, and a UFA the following June, and given his interest in landing in MTL eventually, his value seems to be that of a pure deadline rental. Whoever gets him knows they're unlikely to re-sign him.
I doubt the Habs will trade for him. It's not the right fit for a few reasons. Therefore, if true Cup contender is looking for a 2C-3C for a playoff run this year and next, I suspect his max-value is:
1st & 2nd
or
1st & decent prospect
What do you think Jets fans? What will he bring, and when will he be traded?
1.) 08 Aug 2022 18:59:18
I would like to see the Jets trade him 1 for 1 to a team that needs a change from one of their young, top end centre/ wingers. This type of trade can happen anytime by January or at the draft. If the Jets trade PLD at the deadline they will get A prospects and/ or high draft picks.
I would like to see them get a 1 for 1 top end player but if PLD doesn't sign long term before the deadline then he has to go by the draft.
2.) 09 Aug 2022 13:24:50
PLD's minimum value at the TDL in two years is a first and a good prospect.
So, if he is moved now, you would need to pay for those extra two years and would need to add probably either another good prospect or a young top 6 player.
Most likely nothing happens until next summer unless Chevy gets a too good to be true offer.
10 Apr 2024 20:27:28
Read the feedback Pinball, your fellow leaf fans think this is unrealistic. Accept the feedback and adjust like anyone else would do.
10 Apr 2024 20:25:35
- explain it any way you like, and upvote yourself till the cows come home, but these one-sided trades you post incessantly are a waste of everyone’s time.
- OTT isn’t going to help your leafs out like this for that yard sale of a return. Their new owner would fire any GM that even suggested something like this.
10 Apr 2024 20:18:01
PlNBALL:
- stop with the whining and crying when you get predictable feedback. Embarrassing.
- Treliving said he wasn’t trading 1st round picks in Toronto. He’s been a GM in the past, and of course he’s trade them in the past. He recognizes that Toronto has few prospects and picks left and can’t afford to trade them as recklessly as Dubas did.
- good for you to come to the realization that the leafs D needs work. Your trades are still way off, one-sided, homer trades though, and the feedback you receive even from fellow leaf fans confirms that. If you can’t accept the truth that’s on you.
08 Apr 2024 17:19:59
Pinball. all I can say is. good for you to finally recognize the leafs D is a rebuild.
Your plan isn't close to realistic though for reasons already explained.
I'm sure the off-season moves for your team will be as big a shock to your expectations as was the Trade Deadline. It was obvious to everyone but you that the leafs just didn't have the trade capital to make moves remotely close to what you were suggesting.
08 Apr 2024 17:14:41
YOUR CAPS LOCK APPEARS TO BE STUCK.
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