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31 Jan 2023 12:51:46
Sharks Trade
Meier*

Leafs Trade
Joey Anderson
NRobertson (LTIR)
1st Round Pick 2023
2nd Round Pick 2024

*Sharks retain 50% of Meier's expiring contract.

No need to explain why both teams would look at this proposal, as one is rebuilding and the other getting ready for a playoff run.


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Pinballisback

1.) 31 Jan 2023 14:30:34
I don't think dubas is allowed to use any picks beyond this summers draft anymore. Don't want to screw over the next guy up if you can't make it past the first round.


2.) 31 Jan 2023 14:58:42
Pretty good return for SJ however if Dubas then trades him at the draft they should get the same back or even go for good young established Dman? If they figure out a way of signing him and keeping Matthews and Nylander that would be even better.


3.) 31 Jan 2023 16:32:23
I think SJ does that trade all day long.

I think it makes more sense to target a shutdown D or 3C pest who can draw penalties and give the leafs some PP time.

Meier is a good player and target, but that’s a lot to give up for the kind of guy the leafs already have in abundance.


4.) 02 Feb 2023 02:17:50
Yeah leafs have a ton of power forwards who average the second to most shots in the nhl per game and not to mention would have the second to most hits on the leafs roster ( more hits then Josh Anderson )

Tell me you haven’t watched the leafs or Timo Meier play with without telling me.


5.) 02 Feb 2023 19:30:22
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VB: It is difficult to understand what you're trying to say in your last post. Maybe re-read that last sentence and see if you can explain whatever it is you're trying to say? Wow.


 

 

26 Jan 2023 23:50:19
Chicago Trades
Domi
Blackwell

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
NRobertson (LTIR)


This is a trade proposal that a rebuilding and playoff team both do, Kerfoot and Domi both UFAs after this season, Blackwell is a veteran bottom 6 Winger that was with Toronto last playoffs so they know what he brings to the ice, NRobertson is the key for Chicago and even though injured once again he is a prospect that could be a Top 6 Forward next season.


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Pinballisback

1.) 27 Jan 2023 00:49:49
- CHI reportedly wants a 1st or equivalent for Domi.

- Robertson is much-hyped by leaf media, but he’s an undersized 21 year-old, on LTIR, with only 7 points in 21 NHL games?

- Kerfoot is a UFA…. why exactly would a rebuilding team want him?

- why would CHI include Blackwell too? He isn’t much, but CHI is already losing the best player in this deal…. AND they have to give up an extra piece?

This deal helps the leafs and the leafs only.

? Homer Trades.


2.) 27 Jan 2023 13:24:56
Chickenfoot
Chicago to start won't be getting a 1st Rounder in any trade for Domi, they will with PKane and Toews but not Domi.
Secondly Domi like Kerfoot is on an expiring contract and yes Domi is a better player over Kerfoot but not by much, they could possibly flip Kerfoot by the deadline for probably a 3rd Rounder.
So in the end it's really Blackwell for NRobertson and that's a win for The Black Hawks even though NRobertson has been injured a lot, being only 21 years old he is still young enough to become a Top 6 Forward.
And finally don't you think Chicago wants to be last overall to have the best chance at drafting Bedard?
Getting rid of assets like Domi etc helps in that.


3.) 27 Jan 2023 15:41:03
- teams in the hunt for the lottery want all the picks and prospects they can get Pinball. They don't trade for UFA's like Kerfoot in the hopes they can re-trade him to get the value they should have gotten.

- Domi is apparently being looked at by multiple teams. If you want him you'll have to offer more than the others.

- the only way a team like CHI would take a UFA is as a cap-dump to facilitate the exchange of assets that would benefit them. You have to include compensation when you're sending salary out the door.

- this trade would be great for your leafs, but ignores what CHI wants.

- Robertson is a small 21 year old with 7 points in 31 NHL games. In 3 years he hasn't been able to earn a spot with the big club. He isn't a high-value prospect.


4.) 27 Jan 2023 15:59:38
Lol you’re out to lunch if you think Domi returns a 1st. Taylor Hall returned a 2nd.


5.) 27 Jan 2023 18:49:09
VB - what happened to your statement about it you’re throwing insults you’ve already lost the argument? You’re all over the place man?. What’s with using comments like “out to lunch”, or “dumb” in the previous post? What a train wreck?. You are unintentionally hilarious.

I said CHI is looking for a 1st. Read it again if you have to. Whether they get it or not they won’t be settling for Pinball’s offer.

I’d have to respect your opinion to be offended by it. Reading your rants is quite an adventure. I’m not sure why you find me so fascinating but take a deep breath, go for a walk, or something. You don’t come across as someone who is well. Take care of yourself ?.


6.) 27 Jan 2023 22:38:59
Well said Chickenfoot.


7.) 27 Jan 2023 23:53:57
Thanks Jet, you always have my respect, agree or disagree. It’s always a pleasure ?

There’s nothing like a good hockey convo or debate. Bring your best and leave the rest, especially the crazy stuff. No one needs it.


8.) 28 Jan 2023 00:57:36
I didn’t throw an insult nor were we engaged in an debate it was a simple statement that I made. The world doesn’t revolve around you. The Blackhawks will settle for the best offer they can get even if it is a 5th round pick. He was traded last deadline for some guy named Tyler Isomamoto and Robertson is certainly more valuable then him.


9.) 07 Feb 2023 12:09:32
I agree VB.


 

 

26 Jan 2023 22:36:14
Chicago Trades
Domi*

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (LTIR)

*Chicago retains 50% of Domi's Contract.

Domi on an expiring contract and Chicago probably going to unload Domi, PKane and Toews, they will be adding a young player that has been injured more than anyone would like, but adding him for next season is a positive step for The Black Hawks.

Maple Leafs looking to add in The Top 6 without giving away the farm, would get that in this proposal.


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Pinballisback

1.) 27 Jan 2023 00:51:12
Wow…brutal….


2.) 27 Jan 2023 14:20:30
This isn't even close.


 

 

25 Jan 2023 15:39:21
Toronto Trades
McMann
NRobertson (LTIR)
1st Round Pick 2023

Vancouver Trades
Kuzmenko

Canucks will be trading off most of if not all of their expiring contracts, Kuzmenko I believe will put himself out on the open market to get as much as possible for himself imo, so I do see Vancouver trading him.

Leafs being all in looking to improve on Wing and possibly Defense add a player that will make the Top 6 and Bottom 6 better adding Kuzmenko and moving Jarnkrok to the Bottom 6, they are giving up some future in this deal but it's worth it imo.


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Pinballisback

1.) 25 Jan 2023 17:15:17
I wonder why more teams don’t trade guys then resign them the following offseason? Canucks should definitely trade Kuzmenko and it seems like a good fit so there’s a good chance he resigns anyways. Also I say the Canucks take that for sure.


2.) 25 Jan 2023 17:52:39
This is definitely believable. I'm a fan of Robertson so it would be tough to see him go. However got to wonder if the Canucks would be interested with him being injured and whether he's able to finally take the step to being effective in the NHL and if his shoulder heals accordingly. Kuzmenko on the Leafs would be ideal though lol.


3.) 25 Jan 2023 18:16:36
EBS: it’s a lot to ask of a player. Most wait a long time too to be a UFA and have a shot at seeing who amongst the 32 NHL teams wants them most, or who has the best fit for them. It’s even more complicated for a player with a family.

Besides, if you really like a player, and want to re-sign them, you’re taking a big chance that they might like their new Team situation better. Getting traded can be exciting on the ice, but it gets complicated behind the scenes in a bunch of ways.


4.) 25 Jan 2023 18:41:15
I don’t think Kuz returns more then a 1st.


5.) 25 Jan 2023 21:10:22
Throw Schenn in and substitute Steeves or Abruzze for McCann and add Hollowell and it is a deal.


 

 

24 Jan 2023 16:19:22
Toronto Trades
McMann
Holl
Woll (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2023
2nd Round Pick 2024

Vancouver Trades
Kuzmenko
LSchenn

With Kuzmenko and LSchenn both being UFAs after this season The Canucks in this proposal get future assets, and could like any Team resign both of them back after this season ends.

Leafs all in improve upfront and on Defense making a trade like this without having any Cap issues adding both Kuzmenko and LSchenn.


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Pinballisback

1.) 24 Jan 2023 16:52:53
not much value coming back to Canucks.


2.) 24 Jan 2023 17:11:47
Trade Breakdown.

Kuzmenko - McMann, Woll, 1st Rounder
LSchenn - Holl, 2nd Rounder

Like I stated in my proposal because Kuzmenko and LSchenn are UFAs after this season, this is about right value wise from The Leafs or any team looking to add these 2 players imo.


3.) 24 Jan 2023 18:34:25
PINBALL: UFA’s, in a cap world, have MORE value than players WITH term left.

You are implying because they are UFAs they are worth less. That isn’t how it works.


4.) 24 Jan 2023 19:34:41
Again. I doubt Holl waives his trade clause to go to a non contending team. Kuzmenko alone is likely going to fetch a 1st, a decent to good prospect, and likely another draft pick. His cap hit is under a million. So any contending team that has limited cap space will likely be in on him. He's a great secondary scoring option. We watched Chiariot fetch a 1st last year so I wouldn't be shocked in the least if Schenn gets one this year. Woll has been great at the AHL level but the goalie market is not great this year so he doesn't hold a tonne of value. Rather the Leafs hold onto him in the event Murray or Samsonov get hurt. McMann doesn't carry a tonne of value either. Id love to see the Leafs get Schenn, but I bet the asking price is ridiculous for him.


5.) 24 Jan 2023 20:08:42
Chickenfoot
Players that have term not UFAs have more value especially if a team is trading a 1st Round Pick, Dubas in general doesn't like trading for a player on an expiring contract as they can walk after that season.
I really don't understand your logic in what you said.


6.) 25 Jan 2023 01:51:58
PINBALL: in a capped out league it’s a fact. Teams that want to add for a playoff run, who are up against the cap in the current year (most of the league), prefer to add UFAs because they can usually get some cap retention for the current year, and their cap obligations don’t go into the next season.

Since you singularly view the league through a leaf lens, and a leaf lens alone, let me explain it in a way that may make sense to you.

- Dubas overspent on his core 4, allocating half his cap to 4 players.
- This left the other half of his cap to fill in an NHL roster.
- This meant he could never finish the leaf rebuild, and every year it’s a scramble to fill in the roster with league minimum players, while losing key pieces year after year.

Next year Bunting is the guy most likely to be the latest Hyman. So, if Dubas can add a piece or two for a playoff run this year, and do it on a UFA so that he doesn’t wreck his slim chance of re-signing Bunting the next year, then there’s real value to going the UFA route.

I’m surprised in some ways that this is news to you, but in some ways I’m not at all surprised. Either way, trust me, it’s a thing?.


7.) 25 Jan 2023 11:56:11
UFA’s don’t have more value. They’re easier to trade for and depending on the cap implications might make more sense. Goodrow and Coleman aren’t getting 1st+ from Tampa if there UFA’s.


8.) 25 Jan 2023 13:26:22
That's debatable Ebsolutely. All depends on the quality of the UFA and if the team trading is already stocked with prospects or if they are tight on the cap.


9.) 25 Jan 2023 14:32:39
EBS:

- to a team that is capped out, who is also capped out the next year, adding a UFA is far more desirable than adding someone with term.

- you mentioned the examples of Goodrow & Coleman, and that Tampa wouldn't trade a 1st for them. TAM traded a 1st & a prospect for each of them in 2020.

- TAM is unlikely to trade for either once again because they both have term left on their deals, and TAM is unlikely to be able to add anyone with term given their cap situation.

- TAM knows how to take care of business better than most, and you can bet they'll be adding UFA's given their cap situation in the coming years.

- it's been widely reported that TAM is likely to reacquire pending UFA Luke Schenn.

I thought it was widely understood why capped-out teams favour adding UFA's over players with term?

TAM is an excellent example of why economics and cap issues often supercede the old notion of trading for term. In a capped out NHL, when making NHL Trade Deadline Deals, it just makes sense.


10.) 25 Jan 2023 17:17:09
I agree UFA’s are likely the trade target for contenders but that doesn’t mean they have more value. Tampa traded for those guys when they still had a full year left on there contracts.


11.) 25 Jan 2023 18:19:34
EBS, for a team up against the cap in the current and subsequent years, a pending UFA is more valuable than a trade target with term, period.


12.) 25 Jan 2023 19:00:39
It’s crazy how wild this guys takes are. UFAs are easier to fit in to a teams cap structure and are traded more because teams that know they aren’t contending will try to make value out of 1 year contracts instead of losing them for nothing. Obviously you’d rather have a low interest rate locked in at a longer term then chance it to the market. That’s the same way teams view players. Having a 1 year contract on a good player means there is a possibility of him walking. Now imagine if you had the possibility of losing your house is you weren’t willing to accept a 15% interest rate. I don’t know how I can simplify this more for you but I’ll reiterate that there are more UFAs then players with term traded because teams can fit them into their structure easier with retention/ LTIR/ Etc + the willingness for other teams to trade those UFAs. This isn’t an opinion this is a fact. Trying to argue this is flat earth belief esque.

Would you rather have McDavid for on a 1 year contract or 8 year contract in a trade? Obviously 8 years and on top of that contract signed earlier are at a better value due to accumulated inflation. ( I’m assuming you don’t know what that means but it means that when a deal is made let’s say in 2026 when the cap is at 90 million it will be worth less ( better bargain ) then it is in 2030 when the cap is 100 million.

This is logic vs dreamland talk. Queue the cold angry response with tons of unfactual and baseless claims. You know you lost an argument when you throw insults.


13.) 27 Jan 2023 18:56:07
My favourite part of this was how you refer to my “wild takes”, and then go into a rant about interest rates.

The “flat earth-esque” insult was nice, and pairs nicely with the insults at the end, with a finish of “you know you lost the argument when you throw insults “.

Wow…now THAT is one hot mess…and a great example of being hilarious without trying.

Wow….


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2022 19:12:42
Toronto Trades
WNylander
NRobertson
Liljegren
Dermott
Hirvonen (SML)
1st Round Pick 2022
2nd Round Pick 2023

Vancouver Trades
JTMiller
Garland
LSchenn
Hunt

Both Toronto and Vancouver basically said respectfully that WNylander and/or JTMiller wouldn't be traded from their respected teams, and I know it probably won't happen, but if both Teams would be willing I believe this would be great trade for both Teams imo, plus it would be the biggest deadline trade in NHL history.


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08 Apr 2021 12:48:24
2 Trade Proposals for The Leafs.

First Trade.

Buffalo Trades
THall (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
Barabanov
1st Round Pick 2021



Second Trade.

Detroit Trades
Bernier (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
FAndersen
4th Round Pick 2021


The Leafs wouldn't have to trade Kerfoot or any other player on the current roster besides an injured FAndersen and replacing him with a healthy Bernier and saving 3.5m in Cap keeps Kerfoot on the Team only making them deeper with quality depth.

The Trades for UFAs have been established and this is very similar to what The Islanders and Devils did last night.


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04 Apr 2021 21:33:42
Devils Trade
Palmieri (50% of Contract Retained)

Toronto Trades
Simmonds
2nd Round Pick 2021

Leafs are just under the cap limit so it works Cap Wise in this trade proposal.


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Pinballisback

1.) 05 Apr 2021 20:11:28
He’s the only guy that can fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Do you want them to get bullied in the playoffs and throw their skirts on? Or would you rather the other team know there are consequences for their actions.


2.) 06 Apr 2021 23:05:24
Agree with Toronto17. one thing Leafs have lacked the past couple of years is gritty hard nosed players. so Pinball, why would you want to trade away one of the grittier in your face types, the league has to offer? He may not score the way he once did. but he's still an important player. Leafs have enough guys to put the puck in the net. need to keep the grit. And. he still can score .


3.) 07 Apr 2021 04:52:15
If this is all Palmeri can get the devils will keep him .


 

 

11 Jul 2020 15:34:12
A Proposal that I don't see happening but if it did would either Team be even interested in doing it ?

Edmonton Traded
McDavid

Toronto Trades
Matthews
Kapanen
Dermott

Thoughts ?

Pinballisback

1.) 11 Jul 2020 17:54:42
The Oilers would never do this trade.


2.) 11 Jul 2020 19:49:21
One team would take it and run and the other wouldn't give the deal any consideration at all. See if you can put aside your heavy bias for one minute Pinball and figure out which is which.


3.) 11 Jul 2020 22:55:38
replace kap with freddie and a couple firsts and the oil don't hang up immediately.


4.) 12 Jul 2020 01:38:50
Mackinnon at 6.3 million>>>McDavid with the flat cap.

McDavid isn’t a top 5 most valuable player in the NHL anymore imo but mathews certainly isn’t either.


5.) 14 Jul 2020 01:05:15
McDavid for Matthews, Marner, Rielly and a 1st.


6.) 14 Jul 2020 17:10:33
@EP40 I hope that’s a troll.

Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes and Horvat for McDavid.


7.) 17 Jul 2020 03:24:45
Matthews and Reilly is fair value, but the leafs would still have to add Kapanen To get it done.


 

 

18 Jul 2019 11:22:48
Leafs sign Marleau for 700k which they can as Carolina bought him out not Toronto.
Marleau slaps out Marner and makes him sign a 8yr Deal at 8.5m a year and everything is solved in Leaf Land.

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Pinballisback

1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:57:10
Someone would probably have to slap him pretty hard to get him to sign that deal.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:37:49
pretty sure I had read that the Leafs offered him 8 years x $10 mln already, so yah he's not signing that

He wants to sign a shorter team deal so he can hit paydirt again in 5 years or whatever.


3.) 19 Jul 2019 01:49:38
Get Ariana Grande to get him on the Igor then maybe he’ll sign it.


4.) 20 Jul 2019 19:46:59
I was in a taxi line in Vegas two days ago behind Marluea and his wife. Super nice guy, talked for 6/ 7 minutes. Shook our hands twice. I asked him if he’s going back to SJ, if they want him back or not and he kinda laughed and got an unsure type answer. I asked if Mitchy boy is going to sign soon, if they are watching some of the other RFAs or not and he says he thinks everyone is waiting for Mitch.
Super nice guy, I wish I had of asked if Mathews wanted a 5 year deal to be UFA sooner to go back home to AZ sooner or not. Wish I got his reaction to that. Haha. Super nice guy, he and his wife.


5.) 20 Jul 2019 19:58:58
His wife is a super nice guy? lol.


6.) 20 Jul 2019 20:04:40
I can’t believe you shook his hand, twice. Cool story bro, lol. How’s Lesnar doing?


 

 

 

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27 Jan 2023 13:24:56
Chickenfoot
Chicago to start won't be getting a 1st Rounder in any trade for Domi, they will with PKane and Toews but not Domi.
Secondly Domi like Kerfoot is on an expiring contract and yes Domi is a better player over Kerfoot but not by much, they could possibly flip Kerfoot by the deadline for probably a 3rd Rounder.
So in the end it's really Blackwell for NRobertson and that's a win for The Black Hawks even though NRobertson has been injured a lot, being only 21 years old he is still young enough to become a Top 6 Forward.
And finally don't you think Chicago wants to be last overall to have the best chance at drafting Bedard?
Getting rid of assets like Domi etc helps in that.

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24 Jan 2023 20:08:42
Chickenfoot
Players that have term not UFAs have more value especially if a team is trading a 1st Round Pick, Dubas in general doesn't like trading for a player on an expiring contract as they can walk after that season.
I really don't understand your logic in what you said.

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24 Jan 2023 17:11:47
Trade Breakdown.

Kuzmenko - McMann, Woll, 1st Rounder
LSchenn - Holl, 2nd Rounder

Like I stated in my proposal because Kuzmenko and LSchenn are UFAs after this season, this is about right value wise from The Leafs or any team looking to add these 2 players imo.

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24 Jan 2023 04:05:25
Chickenfoot
If you where an NHL GM you would never get a trade made ever, your demands are unrealistic.
I can admit the 3rd Rounder in 2024 belongs to Arizona which I stand corrected, so make it a 2023 3rd Rounder which they do have.
As for value with Kuzmenko and LSchenn being UFAs after this season asking for what you are asking for is unrealistic.
Look at past trades no matter who it was at a deadline, if anything my proposal is to much to offer Vancouver.

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19 Jan 2023 15:31:33
Chickenfoot and matador12 devaluing The Leafs in my proposal once again, look up Woll for example and say with a straight face he is a B- Prospect, any 1st Rounder isn't worth anything either according to you both, McMann another one no potential there either and Niemela doesn't have a chance to ever be in The NHL.
Would love to see into the future and how wrong you both are in what The Leafs are trading, only reason they would do it is because they are close to glory.

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