NHL rumours 10

11 Jun 2025 00:49:57
Calgary: Anderson
Dallas: Bichsel
Just wondering where the value could be in a trade like this

08 Jun 2025 18:20:00
D. Mercer, T.Meir, J. Markstrom & 2025 1st for Q. Hughes & T. Demko.

Devils sign N. Ehlers.

Leafs sign Marner 13 X 8, trade to Carolina for Ty Smith & 5th round pick.

Leafs trade, buy-out or dump Kampf, Reeves, Jarnkrok, Robertson & Webber.

Leafs sign Tavares, Fabbro, Pacioretty & Mantha.

08 Jun 2025 19:40:14
why do leaf fans think that everyone is going to take their garbage contracts off of them. and why would you want basically want to ice the same team that hasn't won anything.

08 Jun 2025 22:07:25
Cap floor teams sometimes need & want overpaid players on short contracts. Webber & Robertson have trade value, Reeves, Kampf & Jarnkrok could move to cap-floor teams or be included in trades to offset salary differentials.

Wholesale changes don’t happen in a year. Leafs have talent, they need toughness & some chemistry. They took the champs to 7 games

IMO they win if their starting goalie wasn’t targeted & knocked out.

10 Jun 2025 00:43:59
No chance VAN does that trade, or Marner re-signs with the leafs.

As for the shoulda, woulda, coulda about the leafs advancing if they’re goalie didn’t get injured, or the satisfaction of having taken the champs to 7, (some) of you leaf fans have a unique outlook on hockey, and your team’s place in the league.

I’d be pissed if my team blew a rebuild after drafting a generational talent like Matthews, and managed only 2 series wins in 9 years. Most fanbases would have called for heads to roll 5 years ago.

10 Jun 2025 23:29:50
lol @chickenfoot you have no clue what you’re talking about Mathews is not a generational talent he isn’t even the best player on his team that would be Nylander . I guess I’ll give you some attention since you seem lonely.

11 Jun 2025 17:08:38
Lol Nylander is not the beat player on the Leafs. Does he have the potential to be, for sure. But as we seen in the Florida series he was quite content taking shifts off. Matthews picked up his defensive game at least and was battling an injury. Nylander clearly was not seeing as he hopped on a plane and was in a Swedish jersey the day after elimination. If Nylander can find another gear, another level I'd be happy to revist the conversation. But when his effort level was noticeably not there on numerous shifts, he'll in numerous games, because the bounces weren't going his way he can't be the best player on the team. The best players are still a factor in other facets of the game when their strengths aren't available.

11 Jun 2025 19:24:23
“Generational” is a term used by most with the drafting of Matthews, so it’s hardly an opinion unique to me🤣. (You’re a leaf fan and you don’t get it? )

MG is the most fair-minded leaf fan on this site, so his words on Nylander in relation to Matthews are good enough for me.

As for your “lonely” comment, that’s an oddly weird comment to make. You’ve done the projection thing before, so you definitely paint a picture. We’re all rooting for you to overcome this multi year funk VB. Better, happier, less angry days are ahead of you, so hang in there👍.

11 Jun 2025 22:10:53
If the leafs won the cup hypothetically Stolarz or Nylander would have been the Conn Smyth winner and I don’t think that’s debatable (if the other teams top player didn’t win) . Defensive players don’t win the con Smyth. Atleast I don’t remember one that did.

12 Jun 2025 02:44:50
I mean. a goalie is literally the last line of defense.

Also the old saying has yet to be proven wrong. defense wins championships.

12 Jun 2025 10:33:10
VB:

- the leafs won one round. One. You’re getting VERY hypothetical trying to pick a Conn Smythe Trophy winner from the 2024-25 edition of your team.

- I’m not sure how much hockey you watch, but defensive players DO win the Conn Smythe Trophy. (That’s the trophy with the big Maple Leaf on it. )

- Since 2000, 6 defensemen and 5 goalies have won the Conn Smythe Trophy. 11/ 25 isn’t really an anomally.

12 Jun 2025 15:01:20
Usually the guy who wins conn Smyth is the guy who led teams in points.

12 Jun 2025 16:25:52
Sometimes. But as Chickenfoot pointed out 11/ 25 since 2000 have been a dman or a tendy. When Boston was winning you could have very easily made a case for Bergeron to win the Conn Smythe as well.

The point is Nylander isn't the Leafs best player. He has all the tools to be, but he takes too many shifts off and pretty much shuts down if the bounces aren't going his way. The best player on literally every team picks up their play in another area or in another facet of the game to still help the team.

All Leafs fans can hope for is this off-season we get a guy who will drag this team through the trenches when they need to be dragged. Maybe it comes internally and maybe it comes from a trade or FA. But we need someone who doesnt shy away from the guts of the game.

13 Jun 2025 00:31:30
I literally said goalie or leading offensive player. Obviously that goes for Dman aswell if a guy like Makar puts up 25+ points he’s going to win.

13 Jun 2025 12:53:02
2000- Scott Stevens won with 11 points, good for 4th on the team.

2002- Lindstrom won with 16 points, good for 5th on the team.

2007- S. Niedermeyer wins with 11 points, good for 8th on the team.

2014- Williams wins with 25 points, tied for 2nd on the team.

2015- Keith wins with 21 points, tied for 2nd on the team.

2016- Crosby wins with 19 points in 24 games, good for 2nd on the team.

2017- Crosby wins with 27 points, good for 2nd on the team.

2018- Ovie wins with 27 points, good for 2nd on the team.

2020- Hedman wins with 22 points, good for 3rd on the team behind Kuch and point who were well over a point per game.

2023- Marchessault wins with 25 points, good for 2nd on the team.

Any years I left out you were in fact right about it being the top scorer or a goalie. Even though you only mentioned the goalie winning once and that was with your hypothetical of Stolarz winning. After that you don't mention goalies at all. End of the day it all comes back to Nylander isn't the best player on the Leafs and won't be until he gets better in other areas when the bounces aren't going his way.

08 Jun 2025 00:29:03
Hi guys.
Winnipeg Jets need a second line center.
What about Ryan McLeod?
Brad Lambert and a pick for Ryan McLeod ?

If Jets can re-sign Ehlers.

Connor Scheifele Vilardi
Ehlers McLeod Perfetti
Etc.

Also need more help on Defense.
I also think Morrissey needs a bigger partner.
Morrissey and Demelo got pushed around in the playoffs.

And as a Habs fan as well. Would love to see them go after Dobson or McTavish or both.

08 Jun 2025 03:20:11
I'm not sure Chevy would buy high based on one good year.

I guess it would depend on what the Jets scouts thought.

Although I'm not sure Buffalo needs more futures where they are now.

08 Jun 2025 03:58:09
It may be high. But depends what you see Brad Lambert as.
Ryan McLeod and Cole Perfetti played together in juniors in Saginaw. So have some history together.

08 Jun 2025 15:48:39
Yeah, it would all depend on the scouts and if they think he is a bonafide 2C.

Chevy doesn't move his top prospects until they are positive that that will not be a contributor, or if they ask out. That's the hard part to gauge.

11 Jun 2025 22:17:55
From a Buffalo POV they have a ton of NHL ready prospects sitting in AHL with no room to play (Ostlund, Rosen, Kulich* and Helnius) are 1st round picks that aren’t full time players yet. If anything Buffalo needs more Ryan McLeods. Outside of that Savoie was moved for McLeod last year who in my opinion is a slightly better prospect (I like Lamburt aswell) .

If I were the jets coming off of the season where they were a top team I’m taking McLeod but I’m not trading any proven talent if I’m Buffalo unless I’m getting a upgrade as they have a fully stocked prospect pool.

07 Jun 2025 21:23:12
Mtl- Heinneman-josua roy-mailloux -2nd pick 2025- 2nd pick

Vegas - barbashev- whitecloud


Habs need a 2nd line center and stay at home rhd

Vegas need cap space for marner and bottom 6

08 Jun 2025 08:33:50
No thanks from Montreal

10 Jun 2025 00:45:56
Habs hang up.

07 Jun 2025 19:39:29
There are reports that Necas didn’t enjoy Colorado. Habs should inquire
MTL sends: Dach ,17th overall and both second round picks
To AVS for : Necas and Ross Colton
Avalanche get 8 million in cap relief
Habs get a 2c and 3c
Slavkosky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Necas laine
Gallagher Colton Anderson
Heineman Evans. Florian xhejaj
This leaves habs with Newhook, Mailloux and 16th overall to potentially trade

07 Jun 2025 16:49:19
Let's see how many people I can piss off with this one haha

MTL: Crosby, Letang

PIT: 2025 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 1st, Mailloux, Kapanen

06 Jun 2025 03:49:36
Kyle Connor for Wille Nylander.

06 Jun 2025 13:20:42
Even though VBB thinks Nylander is almost as good as McDavid, Winnipeg will keep the cheaper, better player.

06 Jun 2025 16:19:06
The Jets would not trade Conner for a soft floater like Nylander. Besides Winnipeg doesn't have a subway for Willy to ride on.

06 Jun 2025 18:18:12
WPG hangs up….

11 Jun 2025 22:20:08
I’d love to see this posted on HF boards where it’ll be exposed to a larger demographic. Who’s better in this situation is redundant. Kyle Connor has 1 year left and would return what Marchand got as a rental with a full NMC (I think? )

25 Jun 2025 21:39:01
You’re unintentionally hilarious VB…no one comes across angrier on this site. Reading your disappointment with opinions that don’t agree with yours creates an image of a rather large vein in your forehead getting ready to pop😁.

31 May 2025 12:21:05
Anaheim Trades
RStrome
CGauthier
10th Overall Pick 2025
89th Overall Pick 2025

Toronto Trades
WNylander*
McMann

*WNylander will have to waive his NTC.

I tweaked my original post as some on here look at it as one sided for The Leafs, this gives Cap plus some youth to Toronto.



Thoughts ?

31 May 2025 14:55:44
Other than Gautier, it looks okay. If Toronto asks for 21 year old top prospect that is a key piece for Anaheim's future for 29 year old, overpaid complimentary winger that isn't going to make much difference for Anaheim next season and will be declining when the Ducks get near the playoffs. Anaheim says no easily.

31 May 2025 17:01:28
Nylander is only worth a great return like this in the eyes of Leaf fans. No teams would want a playoff floater like subway boy.

01 Jun 2025 00:59:37
lol Nylander is the leafs best player, not Mathews, Not Marner. He won’t be moved only player that plays with hart in the playoffs.

William Nylander=David Pasternak

Toronto does not do this deal from a marketing perspective aswell as a on ice perspective.

01 Jun 2025 15:36:04
Lol he's the best player when he decides to be. His work ethic is still lack luster when the bounces aren't going his way and that shined through in the Florida series. At least Matthews picked up his play defensively when the bounces weren't there for him.

02 Jun 2025 01:14:38
memarcusjoe.
If Anaheim is getting WNylander do you really think a player like CGauthier plus a 1st Rounder wouldn't be the asking price?
I am also adding McMann in my proposal as well.
Again WNylander is an elite player and had 15 points in 13 games in this years playoffs.

02 Jun 2025 13:21:08
Pinball, I agree that Toronto might ask Anaheim for Gauthier, I'm just saying there is just no chance that Anaheim considers paying it.

Nylander isn't a play driver and isn't the piece that puts Anaheim over the top and makes them a Stanley Cup contender. He doesn't even make them a playoff team.

02 Jun 2025 20:26:06
@Memarcusjoe. You atleast got to admit he’s atleast a tier above Kyle Connor and Mark Schifele at worst.

02 Jun 2025 21:45:19
Lol. Sure vbb. Both Connor and Scheifele outscored Nylander, one is a far more valuable point a game center and both cost 3 to 4 mil less per season, but somehow Nylander is a tier above.

Do you even think before you post, or is it all "Laff player better"?

03 Jun 2025 09:46:06
OMG…Nylander a tier above Kyle Connor?

That might be your most outrageous post ever! 🤣

- Connor has more career goals and points despite having played almost a full season less.

- Connor makes 4M less than Nylander, and that stuff matters a lot to most hockey fans.

Thanks for the laughs as always😁.

03 Jun 2025 16:33:31
What next vbbvbb Reilly is better than Morrissey, Woll is better than Helly. Your such a Leaf homer it's so sad.

03 Jun 2025 23:55:32
Nope Rielly is not close to Morrisey nor is Woll close to Helly. Mathews (a player that’s a tier below Nylander) is on most pro analysits (TSN, Sportsnet, etc) a top 5 player I think I seen him at 7th which was the lowest.

Nylanders 98 point season is higher then Kyle Connors career high. Not to mention Kyle Connor has averaged almost 3 minutes more of ice time throughout his career which is about 12 extra GP per year. When you take a look pts per 60min Nylander is closer to Connor McDavid then Kyle Connor.

Not that I’d expect primitive nomads to understand statistics.

04 Jun 2025 00:22:12
Lol vbb. Now you have yourself believing thatwith enough smoke and mirrors, Nylander is in the same class McDavid. You should have quit when you were behind and we all just thought you were a homer.

You've taken your silliness to a foolish new level.

04 Jun 2025 01:49:27
Ooops my bad for for not dumbing it down enough for you.

Saying a piece of wood is closer to a tree than it is a garbage bin isn’t saying a piece of wood is a tree.

Nylander is no where’s near McDavid or MacKinnon or Crosby but he’s closer to them then he is to Kyle Connor. My apologies I overestimated your reading comprehension.

04 Jun 2025 02:19:10
😄 just keep believing in that smoke and mirrors thing VBB. Nylander is near the same level as McDavid. Ay yi yi.

What a maroon.

04 Jun 2025 02:20:59
I forgot though. Nice try on the attempted back peddle.

06 Jun 2025 18:25:53
It’s even funnier when angry folks with questionable logic and conclusions try to be condescending …🤣.

07 Jun 2025 19:36:20
Hey everyone I just put out a proposal, didn't think it would go this far into a war of words.
I still believe it's a good trade for both teams but that's strictly my opinion.
Cheers Everyone.

30 May 2025 15:44:03
Habs - slafkovsky-dach-mailloux-1st pick 2025-1st pick 2026


Buff- peterka-tuch


Habs- heinneman-josua roy- 2nd pick 2025

Vegas- barbashev

Habs sign toews 1 year 1.5M

Buffalo need a retool, peterka and tuch want out, they get à good pacage for 2 great player


Vegas unload barbashev for marner

Pettarka-suzuki-caufield
Demidov-barbashev-tuch
Newhook-toews-anderson
Arber xhekaj-evans-gallagher

Guhle-hutson
Mattheson-reinbacher
Strubble-carrier

31 May 2025 11:07:34
I had to look at my calendar to see if it was April 1.you did give me a good laugh. try again. none of this works.

29 May 2025 21:13:26
Tor: Rielly, robertson

Ana: zegras, 2025 2nd

Sign:
Gavrikov 4x7m
Ekblad 8x8m

So this gets the leafs a skilled player for the 3rd line. Aswell as changes the dynamic of the defense. We'd still have money left over to sign JT and knies. While moving other peices to fill some gaps

Tor: McMann Kampf nemiela 2025 2nd (lowest)
Utah: schmaltz (1.25m retained)

Here we have a playmaker with skill to play the 2nd line, also able to play center.

Sign
roslovic 3x4m
Lorentz 2x900k

Domi Matthews Nylander
Knies JT schmalt
Zegras Laughton roslovic
Holmberg Lorentz jarnkrok

Gavrikov - ekblad
McCabe tanev
Oel - Carlo.

30 May 2025 13:32:02
There's not really any incentive for the grams that aren't Toronto to do those. Very Pinbally type trades.

30 May 2025 14:09:56
Teams not grams. Stoopid autocorrect.

29 May 2025 15:53:55
Anaheim Trades
Terry
Gauthier
1st Round Pick 2025 (10th Overall)

Toronto Trades
WNylander*


*WNylander will have to waive his NTC.



Ducks looking to make that next step and have enough good young players to make a deal like this going forward.

Toronto gets 2 solid Players back with Gauthier maybe being the best player going to The Leafs and free up some Cap to continue to change as Treliving said The DNA of the team.



Thoughts ?

29 May 2025 17:42:56
Not a chance the Ducks consider moving all that for Nylander. 2 comparable players and a high first, typical pinball.

A landslide trade win for Toronto and a deal that ends up getting the Anaheim GM fired.

29 May 2025 21:46:15
memarcusjoe.
So now WNylander isn't an elite player?
WNylander is the best player in my proposal and when you want an elite player like WNylander in his prime you're not getting him for a couple 4th liners.

29 May 2025 22:02:41
To add to Memarcus, why would a team that’s taking the time to build it slowly and correctly do this? Because they’d rather see the leafs succeed than themselves?

When your only criteria is what helps the leafs and ignores what another team needs, you get trade proposals like this: one-sides, leaf-loving trades that ignore what the non-leaf trade needs.

29 May 2025 22:58:27
Chickenfoot
The Ducks have more young good players and prospects then they do vets, they don't have an elite player in their prime though and markets like Anaheim look for this to sell more tickets, jerseys etc.
The NHL is very much a business as well and so many like yourself think it's just about playing hockey.
It isn't there is so much more involved, that's why a team like Anaheim would be looking to make a splash like this imo.

30 May 2025 03:33:15
Pinball, who said anything about elite?

You're coming to Anaheim asking for two top players, plus a first round pick to take your overpaid, complimentary winger.

Just as you have realized now, the benefit of having two players, the pick and the flexibilty that gives you is better than one guy taking up a huge chunk of cap.

With their timeline, Anaheim is better off with Gauthier and the pick as opposed to still have to pay Nylander 11.5 mil as he begins his decline when they are ready for the playoffs.

Anaheim is not obligated to bail Toronto out of their cap mismanagement.

30 May 2025 16:34:52
You make the rest of us Leaf fans look bad.

1) Nylander isn't going to all of a sudden make the Ducks a playoff team.

2) We would be selling so low on him. People just watched him put out next to zero effort in our final 3-4 games of the playoffs. We look like fools for paying him north of $10mill with the effort he was putting out.

3) ANA isn't going to trade away their future for a player who is going to have them in the same position as they were before. He may sell them a few more jerseys, but ultimately winning games sells tickets.

The change that's coming is Marner is walking. We shouldn't be willing to go above $11mill for him and I think he wants to leave too for a fresh start. From what I've gathered he's not interested in a sign and situation either so we are unlikely to recoup any assets for him; that's the nature of the beast though.

Hopefully JT gets brought back at a decent cap hit, Knies gets locked down for 5+ years, and we go after some guys to really fill out our team that are the type of guys to drag yah through the mud in the guts of the game. We do that and we are going to be a much better team come playoff time. Regular season success is cool and all, but the playoffs is what actually matters.

30 May 2025 17:24:57
memarcusjoe
Top 5 RW scoring leaders this past season.
1. Kucherov
2. Pastrnak
3. Marner
4. Rantanen
5. WNylander
How can defend that he isn't an elite RWinger?

30 May 2025 18:18:08
As usual Pinball the point goes right over your head. I never mentioned anything about whether Nylander was elite or not, you're just trying to argue something with yourself, because you have nothing else realistic to offer on how this helps Anaheim.

So, instead of trying to deflect and argue against a point that neither myself or anyone else made, make an argument for what was actually said to defend your trade.

Tell me why Anaheim guts their future by trading away a high end young player just entering his prime, for an overpaid player, soon to be 30 and exiting his prime, just because it helps Toronto free themselves from a bad contract?

That's what I want to hear about from you. Not an argument against yourself about semantics.

30 May 2025 18:22:57
Even fellow Leaf fans are telling you it's extremely biased in favour of Toronto.

02 Jun 2025 16:36:02
Pinball. listen to your fellow leaf fans. You're embarrassing yourself. Your conclusions, and the logic behind them, are deeply flawed.

I'm REALLY looking forward to the two-month break from your posts when Marner doesn't re-sign with the leafs.