NHL rumours 5

29 Feb 2024 03:33:07
Tanev gone but now hanifan to Carolina for D'Angelo, 1st and Anderson and flames trade with la involving markstrom and gavrikov

29 Feb 2024 03:55:08
Dangelo I’m guessing is a no, ufa and has stated won’t play in Canada. Not sure Anderson is wanted either. Why would Gavrikov be involved to old for what seems to be flames plan.

29 Feb 2024 04:07:45
Markstrom gone gives Anderson a splitting share and hanifan kinda has flames hands tied so a first and a couple replacement players maybe best they can do. Offensive and defensive d to somewhat offset there losses this year and frees up money for futures.

29 Feb 2024 04:10:21
Gavrikov and Anderson signed through next year to. Find a place for vladar this offseason if at all possible.

29 Feb 2024 01:19:01
After season. If rumours are true petterson and van are having difficulty, so to Chicago for 2024 1st(tb) , 2025 1st(Chicago) 2025 1st(tor). Big jump for both but if petterson doesn't wanna resign, throwing it out there.

29 Feb 2024 15:29:43
If VCR can't work out a deal with Petterson, and they actually did trade him, they'd want a player who can help them now for a Cup run instead of futures, IMHO.

29 Feb 2024 16:16:19
From what I've seen an 8yr. deal is imminent and likely to be signed in the coming days so Pettersson can stay a Canuck. If things fall through then I'm assuming whoever is making a trade to get him will get to discuss an extension before hand and the return will be astronomical.

28 Feb 2024 20:14:52
Seattle Trades
Larsson*
6th Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Timmons
Hildeby (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Kraken retain 50% of Larsson's remaining contract.



Thoughts ?

29 Feb 2024 01:46:07
- This the same trade you posted yesterday, except you swapped AHL player you included.

- Do you seriously think it makes a difference whether you have Hildeby instead of Abruzzese?

- I don’t think Ronnie Francis looks at this and goes, “wow…Hildeby? We are DEFINITELY doing this deal NOW! ”.

29 Feb 2024 03:20:54
Chickenfoot
Seattle an expansion team only a few years ago has no serious prospect depth.
Look at the ages of all the goaltenders at The NHL and AHL level, Hildeby will be a stud goaltender because of Woll he is expendable.
Timmons is out now but will be more a next season defenceman for Seattle, Grebyonkin is a good prospect and adding a 1st Round Pick only helps for the future.
Why do you think a team like Seattle wouldn't want prospect depth?
Larsson is good but this isn't an AllStar they are trading.
We can agree to disagree but Ron Francis knows you build by having prospects and draft picks, minus a few players the entire organization has castoffs from other teams and not very many prospects.
So your logic again makes no sense.

29 Feb 2024 10:29:18
Don't think you see GMs take a chance on a guy like Grebyonkin until they see what he looks like playing on NA sized ice and how adjust to the different style of play. Obviously the potential is there for him to be an offensive NHLer, but his defensive game needs work and lots of it.

Hidleby has great numbers in the AHL and it is unfortunate Keefe didn't give him a game or two when he was up with us to see how he would fair. If he's going to be a "stud goalie" why are we trading him when goaltending is an area of weakness for us?

29 Feb 2024 12:31:07
MG69
Because Woll is our Goaltender going forward, plus Toronto has Peksa and Akhtyomov as future Goaltender prospects.
Toronto is actually deep with Goaltender prospects so Hildeby is expendable, and Seattle has no serious Goaltending prospects.
That's why for both Teams.

29 Feb 2024 13:27:43
We would be foolish to put all our eggs in the Woll basket. He's looked good in a small sample size there's no denying that, but until I see him log 40+ games in the season and put up good numbers I'm not willing to say that's our guy. If Hildeby is as good as we are hoping why would you not want to hold onto him and run a tandem of Woll and Hildeby rather than find a stop gap backup year after year? The other two you mentioned are probably 3-4 years away from potentially being able to compete for an NHL job. Seattle has 8 picks this upcoming draft and that's without any trades yet to potentially happen. They can easily grab a couple goalie prospects this draft.

You were onto something when you suggested a guy like Rutta or Brown. And thankfully Tanev didn't go for what I and most others thought he would go for so the odds of it costing a tonne to get a player like that went down. Larsson would be a great add, but Francis doesn't need to move him and can hold onto him till they get the deal they want which I don't think will be this. Rather hold onto our 1st and get another prospect (since we have very few of them) and see where we are at in the summer.

29 Feb 2024 15:34:05
PINBALL: Thanks for the unintentionally hilarious lesson in how to build a team. that was awesome! It's always notable to be condescended to and insulted by someone with your hockey acumen. You're on fire today Pinball!

03 Mar 2024 00:32:37
Seattle drafts a goalie in the 2nd round, back in 2022, then pinball claims Seattle has no goalie prospects.
You can't make this stuff up.

04 Mar 2024 15:50:15
@Renidrag I find it more ironic he's talking about Seattle having no prospect depth when we (the Leafs) don't either lol.

28 Feb 2024 03:35:58
Cal: tanev, hanifan 50% both. Dal: faska, lundkvist,kyrou, 2 first, 2 3rds. Tanev and hanifan should get a 1st and a young player or prospect, then 3rds for retention. Faska makes money work. Read Dallas has talked about getting both. Anywhere close?

28 Feb 2024 17:06:50
SHOOTS: wow, that's an aggressive play, and it totally works for both sides! This is a really interesting and realistic one Shoots! Nill is the kind of guy to be quiet for a long time and then pull something major if he finds it. Interesting stuff!

29 Feb 2024 01:21:16
Maybe 4ths cause faska is a decent player to get back.

29 Feb 2024 03:06:14
Guess not. 😂.

29 Feb 2024 03:24:35
Well got Dallas right i guess, kyrou the offensive d, grushnikov the defensive d so was close, 2nd and 3rd with no retention.

29 Feb 2024 15:35:27
Shoots: it was an excellent proposal, and you were obviously on to something.

29 Feb 2024 15:50:48
What how does kyrou work into this lmfao.

01 Mar 2024 11:06:16
REDWING: what’s your question regarding Kyrou’s inclusion?

27 Feb 2024 23:29:25
Montreal Trades
DSavard*

Toronto Trades
Villeneuve (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Montreal retains 50% of DSavard's remaining contract.


A trade that helps the future for Montreal, The Leafs finally get there RHanded Veteran Defensive Defenceman.


Thoughts ?

28 Feb 2024 09:57:12
If Savard gets traded it’ll be for a 1st or equivalent plus.

I assume the Russian is there for trolling & fun, and in the spirit if that I appreciate the sense of humour 👍.

Neither prospect moves the needle for me personally, and I fully expect Tampa or someone else will make a much more compelling offer.

28 Feb 2024 11:59:18
Savard isn't worth a first.

27 Feb 2024 16:03:37
Montreal trade with nj devils
Mtl:Allen
To
Devils: holtz
Montréal trade with la
Mtl:Savard
To
La:Turcotte and 2nd round
Mtl trade with Florida
Mtl :Dvorak and 2nd round
To
Fla: knight
Mtl trade with Anaheim
Mtl: Harris, Barron ,Winnipeg 1st , mtl 2nd round
To
Ducks: zegras

27 Feb 2024 18:11:25
- NJ trade is fair.

- LA trade is close, but I think Savard will bring a 1st + at the deadline.

- The FLA trade doesn't seem like a fit where Dvorak is done for the season. Perhaps it gets revisited as an off-season deal, but personally, as talented as Knight is, his addiction issues are a big red flag for me.

- The ANA trade is fair, but personally I don't like one-dimensional players like Zegras. He's like a Johnny Gaudreau in too many ways, and just doesn't seem like the kind of guy you go to battle with.

27 Feb 2024 18:27:27
Allen not an improvement for devils. LA has log jam on defence already, not sure they want Savard. Why knight? Seems to much for Zegras. So I’m guessing no on all. 😂.

27 Feb 2024 23:04:52
Allen is a 33 year old backup goalie

28 Feb 2024 01:15:23
Log jam on d in la , who? Besides doughty? Savard is an upgrade
Devils: all 3 of their goalies are below 900 save% and are over 3.2 goals per game , Allen has similar number albeit on a bottom 5 nhl team , so imo Allen is an upgrade
Knight might be worth the gamble
And mtl ain’t getting Zegras for much less if not more

28 Feb 2024 04:05:11
Spence and Clarke are 2 good young RHD but their LHD deepth is another thing.

28 Feb 2024 17:15:17
Good points on Allen sidekick. I see him as a 1B that could come to a team without spooking a starter. (Goalies always have a more delicate psyche. to say the least. ) Allen is a good, short-term solution for someone. He's playing on a lousy team and his numbers reflect that.

27 Feb 2024 15:51:36
To Pitt: Norris, Chychrun, 4th round pick (becomes 2nd round if Guentzel signs with OTT)

To Ott: Guentzel, Blomqvist

28 Feb 2024 02:56:31
This is horrible for Ottawa, why would they even consider this?

28 Feb 2024 13:29:45
What happened to you in Ottawa?

27 Feb 2024 14:55:05
Seattle Trades
Larsson*
6th Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
Timmons
Abruzzese (AHL)
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

*Kraken retain 50% of Larsson's remaining 2 years of his contract.


This is very similar to the McCabe trade last year,but because Larsson has a bit more value less comes from Seattle and more comes from Toronto in this proposal.


Thoughts ?

27 Feb 2024 14:18:34
TRADE #1:

EDM Trades:

- Gagner
- 5th (2025)

MTL:

- Future Considerations


TRADE #2:

ANA Trades:

- Henrique (50% retention)

EDM TRADES:

- Holloway
- 2nd ('24)
- 3rd ('24)



- EDM trades Gagner's expiring deal to MTL to free up a little cap space.

- MTL gets a 5th for accommodating EDM.

- ANA gets 2 pieces for pending RFA Henrique, plus a 3rd for retention.

- EDM gets their third line center & depth in the bottom 6.

27 Feb 2024 16:51:49
@Chickenfoot think you meant UFA for Henrique. Regardless though I think the value is there to land Henrique. What an add that would be for the Oilers too. Holloway doesn't seem to be a part of the Oilers future and if they can add a guy like Henrique for the playoffs I think they will be better for it.

27 Feb 2024 21:05:45
Holloway will be apart of the Oilers future unless he’s traded for a big piece. The 2nd and 3rd might be enough for Henrique. I think he’s a good target for the Oil.

27 Feb 2024 21:26:29
MG: you are right that I was wrong😁

I’m not a big fan of the Oilers’ more notable prospects, but a change of scenery going to a less competitive team can be a boost for some. I would be curious to see him get a shot in ANA, and who doesn’t like some California sun this time of year!

28 Feb 2024 01:02:31
@Ebsolutely you are overvaluing Holloway big time. A great comparison value wise for him is Nic Robertson. Many people, myself included, don't see Robertson as a trade piece that moves the needle much at all for a big piece. And yet he has more goals, assists, and points than Holloway career wise all while playing less games.

28 Feb 2024 18:23:33
I didn’t even really put a value on Holloway, I could just see a 2nd and 3rd being enough for Henrique. Holloway plays a big fast game that translates easily to a bottom 6 player, but he still has potential to be a top 6 guy. I think Holloway moves the needle quite a bit in a trade today, if he doesn’t prove much by next year then I’ll agree his value will dip a lot.

27 Feb 2024 11:10:09
Det kasper wallinder 1st 2024

Stl - buchnevich.

27 Feb 2024 13:39:14
Interesting deal here @redwing1.

27 Feb 2024 15:44:55
I dont like having Kasper in this trade, I'd rather include Berggren but overall this is a good package.

27 Feb 2024 15:55:09
Does it work. I think ita truly a fair deal. Top line winger who os ppg and 30 goal scorer and another year left. For former first wallinder which has top 4 potential and 1st 2024.

28 Feb 2024 02:01:55
Cant believe no one is really disagreeing with me. Very rare everyone thinks its good.

01 Mar 2024 13:10:09
It's a good trade idea man. Like DrwDave said I think they'd probably rather hold onto Kasper. But it's an aggressive offer and would give them another weapon upfront.

26 Feb 2024 18:44:31
I have a creative 3 way trade similar to the trade that brought Ryan O'Reilly to The Leafs.

Chicago Trades Gust (AHL) to Washington for Mantha and The Capitals retain 50% of Mantha's expiring contract.

Toronto Trades a 1st Round Pick 2024 and their 2024 3rd Round Pick (NYI Pick) to The Capitals for Gust.

Chicago Trades Mantha with Chicago retaining another 50% of Mantha's expiring contact to The Leafs for NRobertson.

So in the end Washington trades Mantha retaining half his salary and getting a 1st Round Pick and a 3rd Round Pick in 2024 from Toronto.
Chicago gets NRobertson and retaining another 50% of Mantha's contract.
And Toronto gets Mantha and Gust.
With 2 retaining of 50% by both Washington and Chicago yes Toronto can fit Mantha into their cap.


Thoughts ?

26 Feb 2024 20:32:28
Toronto passes. A 1st, 3rd and Robertson for a 30 year old ahler and Mantha who when healthy is an average hockey player. No thanks.