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12 Dec 2023 20:57:52
Ott : Chabot, Taresenko, Jarventie, Forsberg/ Korpisalo, and a 2nd in 2024

Det : Seider, 3rd in 2026

Then

Ott : Batherson, Kubalik, Sokolov, and a 1st in 2024

Njd : L. Hughes, and a 2nd in 2026

Sanderson Seider
Chychrun Hughes
Branstrom Zub
Klevin.

Senslayer

1.) 12 Dec 2023 22:11:13
I don’t like these trades from any side.


2.) 12 Dec 2023 23:52:39
I don’t see this as any more likely than the McDavid/ Draisaitl trade you posted.


3.) 13 Dec 2023 01:10:21
Here’s some fair trades-

Brady Tkachuk and 1st for Sieder (RHD>Wingers)

Stutzle for Luke Hughes

Nobody wants your garbage for their stars.


4.) 13 Dec 2023 01:46:05
VbbVbb how are those anywhere close to fair for Ottawa? Feel your head.

That's like saying Edmonton trading McDavid and a 1st for Chabot and Draisaitl for Zub are fair. Get real dude. And these are both severe but necessary overpayments on Ottawas end.

Detroits gets a Lefty on the same tier as Seider but a few years older plus a starting Goalie, a Top 6 Forward, a pick, and a solid prospect who's tearing things up in ahl right now.

While New Jersey gets arguably the BEST current contract in hockey on a Top 6 Forward, a decent 25 goal scoring middle 6 guy, a decent prospect who ain't afraid to throw his body around and an unprotected 1st.

Not sure how these can be considered bad trades for Detroit or New Jersey? That just don't make any sense.

Seider is good but he ain't head and shoulders above someone like Chabot if he's even above him at all.

And Hughes is still in the proving stages of his career, NOT by any means on a top tier level yet.


5.) 13 Dec 2023 12:06:40
Stevie Y and his scouts stole Seider in plain sight of all the other teams, and it has really worked out well. I don’t expect he’ll be trading him any time soon for these trades or any others, in my humble opinion.


6.) 13 Dec 2023 14:13:43
You can make an argument that due to his physical play, superb defensive positioning and combination of offence that his top end physicality separates him for Makar, Dahlin, Hedman, Fox etc. you can argue that he’s the best defender in hockey. He’s the closest thing to a modern day Scott Stevens not I don’t think he’s the best but there is a argument there. I’d personally put him in line with Quinn Hughes and Charlie McAvoy with Sieder being far better player in his own end then Hughes.

Chabot isn’t even in discussions being a top 32 dman. He’s the 3rd dman on a non playoff senators behind Chychrun and Sanderson on top of that he’s injury prone. Value wise imo he’s in line with a player like Arron Eklblad.

Luke Hughes is the most promising young dman in the game and his impact is far greater then what his brother brought at this age. He is the much better defender then Quinn in his own end and in 2/ 3 years he will be the better player then Stutzle.

It’s hard to argue with someone who believes they’re right when the world dissagrees. There’s a reason why your “great sens” will miss the playoffs and it’s because your players aren’t as good as you think.

Also teams don’t just go move their star players on the whim. Detroit and New Jersey look like 2 very promising teams and won’t break up there roster.


7.) 13 Dec 2023 23:14:33
Wow, not sure what's most absurd? The fact that you massively undercut what guys like Chabot and Chychrun have already done and what Sanderson is doing right now, or the fact you are putting guys like Seider and Hughes on such a pedistool they will never live up to?

Seriously take a good long read of what you have there. And you say I'm living in a delusion outside the rest of the world? Lmfao. There's a reason I haven't bothered making proposals for Makar. Unlike Seider and L. Hughes, he actually is head and shoulders above the rest. Saying Seider is better than him just proves my point, that you litteraly know absolutely nothing about hockey. That is laughable at best.

And Chabot NOT being Top 32? Lmfao on what planet? Lol not only is Chabot Top 32 so is Chychrun and Sanderson. Love to here the 32 you have above them? Lol might find 15, possibly even 20 better, not likely but possible, but not a chance in hell there's 32 above any of those 3 guys lol feel your head. I'll start your list for you to make it easier to find more and you still won't.

Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
Hedman
Josh
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Dahlin
MacAvoy
Hamilton

There's 10 to give you a head start Lol please name another 22 so the rest of the world can laugh at your failed efforts Lol

And no chance whatsoever that L. Hughes will be half as good as Stutzle will be. Bank on that!


8.) 14 Dec 2023 14:23:07
As I said i personally don’t believe he is better then Makar but one could argue his 2 way play and physicality place him above Makar in terms of all around impact. Chabot is mediocre in his own end and hasn’t produced to his expectations offensively as I said he’s on par with Arron Eklblad and maybe a brandon Montour or Jacob Trouba.


 

 

02 Dec 2023 18:22:28
DET : Seider

OTT : Chabot, 2024 2nd, Sokolov

Swap of a righty for a lefty. Detroit has lots of Rightys but no real Top end lefties and Ottawa is pretty much the opposite, and with the emergence of Sanderson and the way Chychrun has looked since coming aboard the Sens, using Chabot to get a near equal level right handed young right side dman like Seider makes a lot of sense.

Sanderson Seider
Chychrun Zub
Branstrom Hamonic
Klevin.

Senslayer

1.) 02 Dec 2023 20:38:29
Detroit laughs.


2.) 02 Dec 2023 21:57:30
I don't think you'll see Detroit trading Seider.


3.) 02 Dec 2023 22:40:25
your trading for a future $10m RHD and not getting a 1st back, not even giving up a top prospect and to top it off, Chabot will be up for a new contract before you even lose control of Seider.

lets start the convo with Stutle anbd brannstrom, and detroit can add a 1st unprotected.


4.) 03 Dec 2023 12:31:44
Why does Detroit laugh vbbbvvbb?


5.) 03 Dec 2023 21:48:52
@Senslayer Assuming Detroit laughs because Seider is a RHD, 4 years younger and arguably the better player.


6.) 04 Dec 2023 19:27:37
Not arguably better player, is better player.


7.) 04 Dec 2023 23:57:02
Nathan you can say based on your own opinion that Seider is better but the fact is, stats don't lie dude. Seiders +/ - may be better, sure, but that only because that is a team stat, NOT an individual stat which is what you need to compare when comparing 2 individuals. And last I checked when I went to school, Chabot and his 0.59 points per game trumps Seiders 0.57 points per game. Am I wrong? No, I'm not!

When it comes to the stats they are relatively equal players in every way that counts. Hence the offer. Just because someone likes one better than the other based on the team they play for, doesn't actually make that one better lol. Seider is slightly better in some ways and Chabot is slightly better in other ways.

The reason I posted this trade wasn't to upgrade or downgrade either team, as it really doesn't do anything like that, it was to level out a lopsided blueline on both teams, a little more so for Ottawa sure.

Ottawa has Chabot, Chychrun, and Sanderson who are all Top 2 Level LHD who are Left Side Naturals

Detroit has both Seider and Edvinson who are Top 2 Level RHD, or in Edvinson case, will be that.

So instead of forcing them all to play less minutes or off sides, why not make a swap that would benefit both sides? Chabot would also bring leadership and a mentor like role for Edvinson, while Seider and Sanderson would be the perfect compliment for one another. And Chychrun and Zub together would be a solid 2nd pair for Ottawa.


8.) 05 Dec 2023 04:09:55
At 22 chabot had.44 pts per game if you want to compare. I am not comparing points I watch the play away from the puck and Seider is far better and is only 22 lots of improvement still to come. I also not sure if any team would trade bonifide #1 dman.


9.) 05 Dec 2023 11:44:38
I remember Stevie Y going off the board to draft Seider, and wow…did he ever know what he was doing.

Chabot has lost his game, but is still a young man, and can find it again. Nonetheless, at 8M/ season he is overpaid for what he currently brings.

DET has zero reason to consider this trade, especially since they’re under internal pressure to take a step this year.


10.) 05 Dec 2023 16:08:16
Senslayer, this proposal is wrong for Detroit on so many levels, its difficult to choose where to begin, but, let me try;

1. Detroit is not trading Seider, their only legit RHD for the next 2 or 3 years.

2. despite your lofty claim, neither Chabot or Chychrun are a top pair LHD. Both are gifted offensively, but neither is know for their defensive zone play. I have been reading other Ottawa fans on other blog sites complain about Chabots D zone performance for the last 2 years.

3. Detroit is doing just fine with the 4 LHD's on their roster - and Chabot is not an upgrade defensively to Walman, Chiarot, Maatta, and might be on a par with Gostisbehere. In addition, Detroits top 2 NHL ready prospects are both LHD's, and one of them, Edvinsson, has a highjer upside than Chabot.

This trade makes zero sense for the Wings.

And, though I said Detroit is not trading Seider, if Ottawa did want to entice Yzerman to listen to an offer, it would need to include either Tkachuk or Stutzle. Other than that, there is nothing else that Ottawa has worth considering.

In essence. dont bother picking up the phone.


11.) 08 Dec 2023 22:30:52
Chickenfoot Chabot hasn't lost anything. He's still a Bonifide Top 2 Calibre DMan, Ottawa just has an abundance of those who all play the Left Side now. Tough to fully showcase what he's got when he's sharing equal minutes 3 ways and still has Branstrom also on that side. Yet he's still getting pretty much the same point totals. And 8 million for what he does is a steal.


12.) 08 Dec 2023 22:43:40
Nashan as I said before, the stats don't lie. Is Seider better defensively? Sure he is. But NOT to the extent you're letting on. He's slightly better at best defensively just like Chabot is slightly better offensively.

And at 22 Chabot was also playing 2nd string to Erik Karlsson and barely had any ice time and no legit defense partner while Seider was a Top Pair guy with the best defense partner Detroit could offer. Do the math, of course Seider would have an advantage at those times. That's like me suiting up with Scott Neidermeyer as my partner and you suiting up with John Scott as your partner and me putting up better points totals and claiming I'm better than you when I can't even skate backwards and can barely stop properly lol it don't make sense to compare rookie years.


13.) 08 Dec 2023 22:59:16
Lago NOT true at all dude.

Point 1 ill give you some credit sure, but they do have Edvinson on the way for that role. What exactly do they have for the Left Side? Nothing!

To point number 2, Sanderson Chychrun and Chabot are ALL TOP 2 LHD. Name 5 LHD or Left Side Defense who trump any of them?

To point 3, Chabot is a major upgrade on any of those Left side guys no matter how you look at it. I shouldn't even need to explain why. And Edvinson, pretty sure is a right side dman, NOT Left side. I could be wrong there though, not gunna bother looking it up, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Though I highly doubt Edvinson will match Chabot let alone eclipse him like you say.

And Stutzle or Tkachuk, Detroit would be adding a lot more than Seider to get either one of those guys, don't make me laugh. They are both Franchise guys while Seider is upper elite at best which is below Franchise level. Any 1 of Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson, Norris, or Batherson with a smaller much less significant piece or 2 would be well more than enough to get something done as they are all on Seider level.

The only DMAN worth even talking about involving Stutzle or Tkachuk for would be Makar who is well above Seider level sorry to tell you.


14.) 28 Jan 2024 16:26:08
Sorry dude - you haven't checked your facts.

First, Edvinsson is a LD, not a RD.
Second, beyond Edvinsson, Detroit has another NHL ready LD in Grand Rapids, Albert Johansson, and another who will be in 2025 in William Walinder.
Third, I think you vastly underrated Detroits current LD's. Walman, Maatta, and Chiarot are all just fine defensively. Matta is very good with the puck, and Walman has a snapshot equal to that of Chabot. He has 10 goals this season.
Fourth, you rate Chabot much higher than most folks do. He has offensive talent for sure, but, if I were to want to upgrade Detroits defense, I would never think or want to add Chabot.

Sorry dude. Have some warm milk and cookies and take a nap. Maybe you will feel better then.


 

 

24 Nov 2023 20:11:52
Alright here's a wild one with how bad Edmonton is doing and the wake up call my Sens need. What if they make a blockbuster between them sending McDavid and Draisaitl to Ottawa for a massive haul.

EDM : McDavid, Draisaitl

OTT : Chabot, Batherson, Norris, Taresenko, Kubalik, Forsberg/ Korpisalo, Boucher, 2024 1st, 2025 1st,

Ottawa gets the leagues best 2 players without giving up the support they have to pair them with and frees up a little space to sign Pinto, while Edmonton gets a completely new look Top unit, a decent support forward, a solid prospect, a quality goalie who's better than what they have now, and 2 unprotected 1sts to boot.

Ottawas new look Top 6

Tkachuk McDavid Greig
Draisaitl Stutzle Giroux

Draisaitl would be a great German Mentor for Stutzle and McDavid would be the peice to put Ottawa in the driver's seat in the Atlantic.

Edmonton new look Top 9

Hyman Norris Batherson
Kane Nuge Terasenko
Kubalik McCloud Brown

Plus they would have a 1 2 punch defense with Chabot and Ekholm and a better Goaltender and some future stock with Boucher and the picks.

Senslayer

1.) 25 Nov 2023 03:22:58
This is a lil more than a wild one.


2.) 25 Nov 2023 20:54:46
Quality over Quantity. As a sens fan, if we wanted McDavid (excluding Drai) it would probably take one of Stu or Sanderson to get the convo started.

Counter Proposal:
Chabot, Forsberg and a 2nd for Nugent Hopkins and Broberg

I do like Chabots fit on the Oilers assuming they manage to move clear cap and RNH accepts NMC. Forsberg immediately moves into their 1G role. Ottawa gets a good locker room team player on a great contract. Broberg gets a change of scenery and the 2nd can be used as part of the Campbell move.


3.) 27 Nov 2023 15:01:30
HockeyDads although I don't mind Nuge, he ain't worth Chabot let alone Ottawa adding Forsberg and a 2nd lol that just sends one sided vibes the likes of the Zibanejad and a 2nd for Brassard trade from years ago which was horrible for Ottawa in the moment and aged even worst. No thanks.

Also, what are you talking about quality over quantity for? That has nothing to do with this trade at all. Sure none of these guys are on the same level as Draisaitl or McDavid but honestly, who in the league is? Does that mean there is no quality here? Not a chance!

Chabot is one of the leagues best Top 2 Defensemen. Batherson is a young RW on a favorable contract who is more than capable of a point per game pace. Forsberg or Korpisalo have more than proven in recent years they are both very capable starting goalies. Norris is easily, like Batherson, more than capable of a point a game pace, could likely score 40 plus goals in a season, and is easily a Top 6 Center on any team he plays for. Teresenko may be older but he's proven in the past and is proving right now that he's a very capable winger himself who can at minimum put up 60 plus points. Boucher is still considered a high end prospect. And Kubalik is a solid middle 6 guy who's capable of 25 plus goals a season. Plus you add in a couple unprotected 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Call me crazy but you'll have to explain to me how you can honestly make that claim that this is quantity without quality? Lmfao This trade litteraly screams quality + quantity for quality to me and anyone who knows a thing or 2 about hockey!


4.) 29 Nov 2023 11:14:05
I’m just saying if Edmonton ever traded McDavid they would need a superstar they can build around in return. I know how good all those guys are, but none are the superstar you build around.
That’s why I said it would need to be Stu, Sandy or Tkachuk as one of the pieces.


5.) 30 Nov 2023 01:44:07
Both Norris as well as Chabot are young enough and skilled enough to build a team around dude.

Chabot is a Top 2 teir Dman who proved already that given the right defense partner he can be among the leagues best defensemen, he litteraly did just that when he was paired with Dylan Demelo of all people, that type of dman to pair him with isn't hard to find or get either.

And Norris within a few seasons already posted a 35 goal, point a game campaign as a rookie / softmore. Dude hasn't even come close to his prime yet.

Either one of those guys can easily be built around. Sure they ain't Tkachuk or Stutzle or Sanderson, but that don't mean they ain't great in their own rights. Plus the mentor figure Taresenko, a great young linemate on one of the best contracts in hockey in Batherson, a Solid prospect in Boucher, a starting Goalie far better than the ones they currently have, and 2 1sts which could essentially be both this year since Ottawa does have 2 this year and as we stand right now, one of those is looking great so far.


 

 

 

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04 Dec 2023 23:37:47
NotACasual if he is better, and I'm NOT saying he is, nor am I saying Chabot is better, they are arguably the same tier. Seider may have a very slight edge if that, that doesn't mean this ain't a great trade for both teams.

Chabot may be roughly 4 years older but he's on a long term 8 million dollar contract to Seiders 10.5 million dollar contract so the age and ever so slight edge are easily countered out by the size of the contract being better on Chabot end. And adding the 2nd and Sokolov (a prospect Detroit is already known to like) provides a sweetener for Detroit. Plus it helps Ottawa by moving 1 of 3 Top 2 LHD so they can bring in a natural Top 2 RHD so they don't need to keep playing 1 of those guys on their off side or 3rd pair. And it helps Detroit by getting them a near equal caliber Top 2 LHD and allows them to use Edvinson on the Top 2 Pair where he belong when he's finally brought in rather than relegating him to play 2nd fiddle to Seider or on his off side.

That's the whole point to deals like these. And it's not like the season is going the way either team thought it would so far, so maybe a drastic change for both teams like this could be the shake up they both need to level out their lopsided bluelines.

Senslayer

1.) 06 Dec 2023 18:32:32
Having a top pairing caliber D playing on the 2nd pair isn’t the problem you make it seem.


 

 

 

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14 Feb 2024 18:04:34
So much wrong with this I don't know where to start?

For one who's Howard? Are you talking former Detroit Goalie Howard? If so Ottawa don't need a goalie.

For 2 Tampas picks aren't high enough to mean anything here

For 3 Chychrun ain't going anywhere, Chabot is more likely to be traded than Chychrun is, he litteraly already put the kaboosh on those dumb rumors.

And for 4 why is Ottawa retaining anything, let alone 50% on Taresenko when they are already taking back cap hit on Myers and Howard (if it is the goalie)? Ottawa don't have the space for that.

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29 Jan 2024 21:48:46
Not even close to enough for Ottawa to consider. A 1st and 2nd in a weak draft from a team that won't produce a very high pick at all equates to garbage. Kaliev is ok by by no means a high end pick up especially going to an Ottawa Roster loaded with young talent as good or better than he is. And I'll be honest, I don't even know who Matt Roy is, so he can't be that much of a sweetener to even things out lol.

And Ottawa eats 600k of chick's, and throws in a 4th? Lmfao

Nah dude, that don't work for Ottawa after giving up on Michkov + to get Chychrun. Up the offer a significant amount to get the conversation started. Or take out Chychrun and replace him with Taresenko and Kubalik and maybe Branstrom. That's more realistic for both teams involved.

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15 Jan 2024 23:44:49
This one ain't half bad. Maybe throw in Docker or Thompson, Sokolov, and a 3rd on Ottawa side and Peterka on Buffalo side. Would be great to add a hometown kid like Quinn and some past Stutzle Chemistry with Peterka to Ottawa. And Batherson adds a major boost on Buffalo's wing as well.

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15 Jan 2024 23:40:49
Why would Ottawa even entertain this? We have too many goalies as it is, and Batherson alone is worth more than this, let alone throwing in a 3rd to boot lol no thanks.

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10 Jan 2024 14:27:22
vbbvvbb you need to go away dude. This trade is bad enough for Ottawa without any pick protection, why would they make it worst, especially in a weak ass draft year? Ottawa has no need for Atkinson and Chabot worth a lot more than this garbage, let alone adding Kubalik too.

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