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23 Nov 2018 13:16:22
“I’m hearing that 6.9 mill a year gets @wmnylander in a @MapleLeafs uniform before December 1st deadline! My insider will remain anonymous! Goodnight Ladies and Gents.
But I believe they are still having trouble with Term of the deal! “

2 tweets from Marc Savard. Adding that to Mike Babcock comment:

“Our team will get better, we have significant pieces missing and they will be here”

Maybe it is coming together finally. And if they can get it long term, the cap hit will be near $10 mill this season and significantly leas for the next years.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 23 Nov 2018 13:49:51
Yeah that little cap loophole is definitely an interesting play. big hit this year when the Leafs can afford it, smaller hit the following years when they are going to be squeezed.

The question remains if that's on a bridge term or something longer (5 years +? )

2.) 23 Nov 2018 13:59:41
That's great news. With Mathews and Nylander injected into the lineup the Leafs could glide to a presidents trophy. Sitting 2 points out of first overall now, they should improve nicely with those two back? Basically like adding a top line, put any random third guy with them.

With how good Marner is doing now, I wonder how close to Mathews his camp will want to be?
What if Mathews and Marner took matching $11M to Tavares? All three at the same amount. Is that a crazy thought?

3.) 23 Nov 2018 14:07:59
IMO Marner at $11 mln is a pretty big reach. total guess but I would put him more in the $8-$9 range.

4.) 23 Nov 2018 14:36:42
I honestly think Matthews (along with Kapanen) is going to get a bridge deal. Due to his injuries, the leafs aren't fully aware of what Matthews can do and the amount of stats he can put up in 1 season. Matthews may also want to prove that he is worth more then 11 mill so I don't dought that he would be ok with a bridge deal.

5.) 23 Nov 2018 15:01:25
My guess is Matthews comes in over Tavares, under mcdavid, $11.5-12 mill and marner around $9-$9.5. People keep talking he will be $10mill+ and I’m sure him and his agent can look at Eichel and some others and justify. Marner plays wing like a Centreman, but bottom line is he’s a winger. When Nikita Kicherov makes $9.5 mill and that’s not on an outdated contract, it hasn’t started yet, that would be my top dollar.

The guys signed for the next 3 years would be

Matthews $11.5
Tavares $11
Marner $9.5
Nylander $6.9
Rielly $5
Andersen $5
Kadri $4.5
Hyman $2.25

And that’s your true cup window before Kadri, Rielly (2022/ 23) and Andersen (2021/ 22) need contracts. At that point you either can’t afford them or lose all your depth to keep them.

6.) 23 Nov 2018 15:26:17
Leafs still trying to sign Nylander while bergivan is out here signing over point per game players like domi at 3 mil a year hahaha jokes.

7.) 23 Nov 2018 15:40:19
@TheMostLeaf33, your logic makes sense on it. I just think players, especially one who has had injuries in the past, will take security more often than not.

These kids have so much skill and confidence that they want to bet on themselves, but if you have had injuries already and there’s a piece of paper needing a signature that guarantees you $92-96 million dollars whether you ever wear skates again or not, that’s tough to walk away from.

Not negotiating with a year left on your ELC and betting on yourself to get paid more is one thing, like marner is doing, but turning down 8 year deals at 21 is a whole different ball game.

8.) 23 Nov 2018 16:37:35
Eh Shadow, what about Marleau and Kapanen in your window now? They are note worthy aren't they there.
And you don't want anymore help on D, you don't believe in the phrase "defense wins championships" or you happy with what you have maybe? Best way to play defense is to always be on offense tho so you might be alright come playoff battles.

9.) 23 Nov 2018 17:18:52
That Domi contract is a real steal for the next two years for sure. too bad it's not as long as the $10.5 mln/ yr Bergie is paying Price for the rest of time.

10.) 23 Nov 2018 17:37:01
Marleau and kapanen aren’t signed beyond nextvuear and may not be back. That’s why they aren’t on that list of players signed for the next 3 years, because they are not signed for the next 3 years. Seems simple to me, but I guess not to everyone lol

Nylander should be signed by tomorrow seems to be the consensus of insiders, possibly today.

Also Bob McKenzie just tweeted that if the deal is for 2-3 years, the AAV he assumes to be $5 mill or just north of it. High $6’s if it’s a 6 year deal. So that’s what the reported top dollars from dubas was 10 weeks ago lol

I know people will argue against it, but if Dubas signs Nylander in November for what their top dollar was in the summer and now gets to take advantage of the cap savings that come along with it when it overlaps Matthews and Marners contracts, that’s a win all day long.

11.) 23 Nov 2018 17:50:43
If Nylander signs now for the same amount Dubas was offering in the summer, then he’s a goof and should be booed mercilessly every time he touches the puck for as long as he is a Leaf.

12.) 23 Nov 2018 18:20:09
A contract dispute that leads to a player sitting out and missing games, becoming a big distraction, not there to help the team out doesn't seam like a good thing or a "win". I guess since its your team it's brilliant?

13.) 23 Nov 2018 18:20:56
Was Dubas offering $6.9M in the summer?

14.) 23 Nov 2018 18:22:09
Eh Shadow, Do you believe in that phrase "defense wins championships" or no? What's your stance on that phrase, and do you think your D is good enough now to win playoff rounds with that vey good offense?
Only curious what your stance is on that phrase, that's all.

15.) 23 Nov 2018 18:50:27
@LeafsGM, I wouldn’t boo him for it. I would applaud Dubas for staying strong but I wouldn’t hold it against Nylander. He Felt he’s worth more than his boss did which can be said about the majority of working people in all fields. He will have been put in his place and I would welcome him back.

I would feel differently about both him and dubas if we were struggling and they both were being stubborn while wasting a year of a great core. If we were now in an uphill battle to make the playoffs, it would hurt. But to add him when we are doing so well and getting the cap savings as well is great.

Also what this does is puts us in a really unique situation. Everyone knows that bottom feeding teams will take players who are owed very little cash but have a high cap hit to hit the cap floor. But if there’s tension between Nylander and other players later, or just the cap squeeze needs some relief, we would now have a 22, 23, 24 year old top six player who’s cap hit is actually less than his salary. Instead of the same 3-4 teams interested, you could theoretically have all 30 teams interested, even contenders. Endless options going forward really.

16.) 23 Nov 2018 19:06:44
It was a big distraction?! They’re battling for 1st overall in the league. I think they handled it just fine lol

Pittsburgh won the cup 2 seasons ago with Ron Hainsey on their top pair. Is that ideal? Absolutely not. But to correct that would I recommend my GM trade a star forward for a mediocre Dman like some teams have done before falling like a rock down the standings? Absolutely not. Leafs D as constructed is better than the penguins who won the cup hands down. Letang never played so they never had anyone in Reilly’s class. Hainsey was top pair like he is here right now. They had Schultz who plays like Gardiner but not as good I’ll take zaitsev and dermott over Ian Cole and maataa, and I’m sure the leafs can add a Trevor Daley type vet if they want to.

17.) 23 Nov 2018 20:04:39
Big story eaten up by the media. Regardless of how the team is doing its an off ice distraction, yes.
I know for a fact if my GM and a top player were ha I F disputes that lead to the player missing 20+ games I would be pissed and would have no way of spinning it into a "win". How the team is doing is irrelevant to the contract disputes itself.

If it comes out them at they set this all up together to save a few bucks moving forward, brilliant bold move cotton.
But no matter what, I would be pissed if my GM and a player had a dispute that lead to missing out on a quarter of the season. Pretty lucky teams doing well. They should be leaps and bounds better when he returns.

18.) 23 Nov 2018 20:52:25
The Leafs are currently 5th in goals against. their goalie has played very well but I think people worry too much about their D (Yupp especially as he seems to be almost losing sleep over it for some reason?! ) . a great D-core is obviously a plus and the Leafs would definitely benefit from the addition of a top four D on the right hand side, but forwards play a big role in how defensively sound a team is as well and so far as a whole the Leafs have looked pretty solid in the games I’ve watched (although they were comically peppered against carolina in the first period this week 😂)

19.) 23 Nov 2018 20:56:18
Well Yupp thankfully Chia has not had any such disputes with the Oilers this season so you have nothing to worry about!

20.) 23 Nov 2018 21:17:41
I sleep just fine 😉😉. Ya this contract dispute is something Chia would pull!
That's a good stat for the Leafs. They should be just fine come playoff battles with the current D then. Nothing to worry about, Thanks for your inputs. ✊🏿.

21.) 23 Nov 2018 21:19:05
Oh I'm not too worried my brother. It's just been a big question from analysts all around. Was curious if any you Leafs fans were worried.

22.) 23 Nov 2018 21:20:39
They aren’t lucky they’re doing well lol they built a deep team that can handle a good player being out. Kapanen was a 1st rounder the same year as Nylander and has been patient waiting for an opportunity. He got and seized it. Marner and Tavares have lead the way which is expected of them and Freddy has been great which is also expected of him at this point. It’s not a nobody putting a bad team on his back like what the hanburgler did with the Sens and went 18-3 or whatever down the stretch that season.

And media and fans having a story to beat to death is different than an off ice distraction. Players were asked about it a few times, they had very little, if anything to say about it and carried on doing their job winning games. I didn’t see one time where it affected a player besides giving a cpl of them an opportunity they would otherwise not have had.

And I agree that you should be pissed and worried if the oilers GM had a stand off with a player like Nylander that kept him out of the lineup, it would be devastating. The luxury we have is that we don’t only have 3 good players and the organizational depth of a roadside puddle. So it’s apples and oranges.

23.) 24 Nov 2018 04:43:13

Nylander holding out this long only to sign last minute is a childish move. He deserves to be traded. He’s not a team player at all. And yes, I feel this was a distraction for the team. It weighs enormous on the future for the team and makes Dubas look bad his first year on the job. Dubas must be infuriated right now.

An underpaid factory worker goes on strike is one thing. An already rich athlete making millions of dollars to play a game (and is therefore already overpaid) seeking to drive salaries up and enrich himself further at the expense of the team should not be rewarded with an extra million or two.

24.) 24 Nov 2018 05:25:43
LeafsGM, I agree he shouldn’t get a million or 2 extra which is why I’m glad Dubas held strong. Bottom line is we can add a top Winger that they haven’t really missed too much on the ice without losing an asset. See how it works and if they get any indication he’s not in it for the right reasons going forward they can always trade him then.



01 Nov 2018 15:22:06
Out of all the teams That insiders kinda picked as having the most interest in Nylander (Carolina, Minny, NYR, LA) there’s a mid 20s Dman with term that would be an obvious centrepiece except LA.

Looking at what they could possibly trade that make the leafs happy is harder. Obviously drew doughty is a superstar RHD still in his 20s but that ship sailed when he signed that extension. Their other Dmen are either older, not established enough or Dion Phaneuf lol. I’m a fan of Muzzin but he’s turning 30 and left handed. I would be fine with the age if he was a righty or being a lefty if he was younger, but straying from both those criteria seems like it’s reaching

So a very out of the box idea came to me. What about trying for a package including the rights to Slava Voynov?! He is reportedly looking to come back to the NHL. He’s a 28 year old RHD, high skill, 2 way, great skater. He looked amazing at the Olympics (albeit not a best on best tourney) . Now what complicates things is that he still owes the league a suspension upon his return and domestic assault is a very sensitive topic right now in society and Toronto (Blue Jays just traded a good young pitcher for similar accusations).

I wouldn’t trade a young player like Nylander with his potential and upside for just the rights to a guy who hasn’t played in the NHL in 3 years, but he could be a steal if he returns to form. But LA also has some decent prospects and veteran wingers with size (Clifford similar to a Kassian) who could take Kapanens spot in the bottom 6 since he replaces Nylander in the top 6.

It’s an ‘out there’ thought but if there’s no perfect 1-for-1 deal out there that makes sense for both teams, maybe a package that fills a RHD, size and grit up front and stash a prospect or pick for the future could work

What do you think?!

Unbiased Jim

1.) 01 Nov 2018 17:09:48
Isnt this similar to why you wouldn't want Kassian? Maybe not worth the hassle. I agree Voynov would probably be good for the Leafs however, it's been a few years. and with domestic violence front and center in everything these days, I think this is a distraction the Leafs don't need. and neither does Voynov of he comes back. As a Leafs fan, you already know, things will be blown up 100× more .
I'm not defending Voynov, not at all. But. if he's going to come back. best to got to an American team, where he can roam about and maybe not get noticed as much. he wouldn't get that privacy in Canada.
I understand ya want to improve your team Jim. just this is one I'd stay away from.

2.) 01 Nov 2018 17:14:35
I read an article today with a headline "Nylander for Faulk? "
And the article lists Car and LAK as interest for Nylander and offering Faulk/ Pesce or Muzzin/ Martinez. The article also mentions how old the LAK guys are as well.

3.) 01 Nov 2018 19:18:40
I agree with Sosa. You don’t want a party animal on the team but a wife beater is ok? He’s a really good defenseman but it sounds like trouble.

4.) 01 Nov 2018 19:40:25
Toronto is at a disadvantage with every team interested in Nylander because unless its a sign and trade not too many teams would want this Leafs headache. This reason alone would decrease Nylanders value and it will get worse the closer it gets to Dec 1st.

5.) 01 Nov 2018 23:50:26
@sosa, i hear ya. But for a RHD who if he never left the NHL would be a top pair guy easily I believe, could be worth it. The cost to acquire a top pair, or even top 4 RHD is so expensive, that getting one with a history like his may be the only way right now. And at the same time address a cpl other things.

With Kassian, acquiring players like him is not difficult or rare. Not at all in the same realm as a top pair Dman so I would just get one without the History and eliminate that risk. I’m no fan of Voynovs behaviour either, but it wouldn’t be for a 4th liner. It’s for the chance at a very undervalue top D.

Reminds me of The kaepernick thing. He doesn’t have a job because he protested? NO, he doesn’t have a job because he sucked and protested. If we have learned anything over the years it’s that people forgive players in all sports as long as their on field/ on court/ on ice performance outweighs their private life’s BS. Tom Brady could have any of field problems he wants, be a complete douche and he would have a job because he wins.

I would much rather find a deal with a good, solid RH top pair or too 4 guy locked up long term. Which is why pesce at 4 mill for 6 years looks like a near perfect fit, but this is just spit balling something I hadn’t heard anywhere else.

LA wants offense, and wants to get younger and has been linked to Nylander. Leafs are close to contending which means they either need Nylander signed or need d help for him. Voynov wants to come back. Just thinking there’s a possible long shot fit.

6.) 01 Nov 2018 23:56:43
@Islandjet. Obviously it would always be a contract in place. That’s extremely obvious. Same as when leafs got Kessel in a similar situation and Habs got Drouin and just about every other big name RFA deal.

7.) 02 Nov 2018 00:51:28
I get it Jim. but take all of our thoughts out of it. what would worry me, ( there was talk Bergevin had interest in summer) . Is the media wouldn't let it go. and then he wouldn't even be able to go get a coffee in hockey crazy Toronto or Montreal or wherever in Canada.

If the guy is granted permission to come back. I think, for his sake. Best to go somewhere and be low key.

If none of the off ice stuff had ever happened, he's exactly what your team needs. he was really good player., and I'm sure still good
I agree somewhat, that this is different than acquiring a guy like Kassian.
Just a lot of risk. and a lot of drama for a market than can make anything even more dramatic than it needs to be.

8.) 02 Nov 2018 03:52:54
Would the US even allow Voynov back in the country I wonder? He still has to face deportation hearing there. He fled the country remember.

9.) 02 Nov 2018 04:34:39
That I don't know about., but was wondering about all that stuff. The legality of it all.

10.) 02 Nov 2018 10:25:51
Makes sense for sure. Well I was at the leafs/ stars tonight and Carolina sent 3 scouts and assistant GM Rick Dudley to watch which makes us think there could be something in the works. Then leafs bring Justin Holl, a 26 year old RHD, in to play his first game of the season (had 2 goals in his only 2 games last season) . Could it be that if Carolina is thinking of a deal involving Nylander and Pesce, that it would be a bit bigger and they want a Cheap RHD going back? Seemed like a ‘showcase’ call up but I’m just speculating/ guessing. Maybe Nylander and Holl for Pesce and a forward with size? Julien Gauthier?! Who knows. Fun to watch tho. We will see.

11.) 02 Nov 2018 12:18:11
It's fun to watch your GM say "we can and we will sign the big 3" and then not be able to get the job done and an important part of your team hold out and miss the first 12+ games of the season? Doesn't seem like much fun. Need him in the lineup or should have said F you and traded him already if it's the player being a dick. Figure it out not let it drag on this long.

12.) 02 Nov 2018 13:28:52
Imagine how crazy you would trash me if someone like Nurse held out and I said its "fun to watch tho".

13.) 02 Nov 2018 15:12:52
There is no shame in A GM realizing something isn't going to work and its time to change tactics. TOR GM needs to part ways with Nylander and land a young dman (pesce) to cover the #1 duties until TL is ready.

14.) 02 Nov 2018 18:10:23
I meant the trade speculation is fun to watch. Didn’t you just post something asking what cool stories are around the nhl? I know this isn’t new, but it’s easily he biggest off ice story in the league right now. I’ve said all along he should stay firm with Nylander. I don’t want him traded but if they trade him, I get it. I started by saying I still think he gets signed.

Dubas is playing the long game with a young player who has very little leverage, that’s doing his job. This decision determines the landscape of the team for 5+ years, why would I be upset about 12 games when the payoff or pain could last 5-10 years? Pretty short sighted comment. I was critical of Chiarelli about lucic contract, trading the Barzal pick, trading Taylor Hall. And those mistakes are going to cause pain to the franchise for 5-10 years. I can be patient for Dubas to do everything possible to avoid a mistake. We are okay man lol.

15.) 02 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Plus every day that passes, Nylanders cap hit for years 2-7 gets cheaper and is added onto this season where we are flush with cash and cap space. Again, I don’t believe this is a premeditated strategy, but his assistant GM did write the CBA and is well aware of that loophole. It is a nice added incentive not to cave early and overpay him or trade him for less than fair value.

16.) 02 Nov 2018 18:30:42
You were able to post positive things for like 36 hrs and hit your limit lol after saying you were tired of all the leafs/ oilers talk and arguing you jump on a leafs thread to chirp. And you’re right, the GM should just say F you and trade him in a hurry. Because that is never backfired before. No team in the league has traded a good young offensively talented winger for a decent Dman and then a year later said “damn that guy would look good beside our superstar centre, huh? ”. Oh wait, oilers did that with Hall, right? Then he went to the playoffs and won the Hart trophy? But you’re right, no need to be patient, just trade him and deal with the consequences later.

17.) 02 Nov 2018 21:17:15
I would see his Nylander situation it as frustrating, The opposite of fun. Nothing about one of your better players sitting out seems fun to me. Lmao, So you can post comments about Leafs stuff, but I can't comment myself?

All I said was that this Nylander situation doesn't seem like much fun and you're triggered.

18.) 02 Nov 2018 22:29:48
No. I said trade speculation is fun to watch, which is why we all joined this site, isn’t it? Lol and you flip that into dubas is failing and I’m having fun when I should be panicked lol it’s 12 games in.



01 Oct 2018 18:36:44
Mchiliney and Pickard waived by leafs. Carrick traded to Stars for 7th (becomes 6th if he dresses 50 times)

I think Sparks getting the job over Mac Is more a Dubas call than Babcock. Babcock would want whoever is going to give him the better starts when called upon this season. Dubas is looking at long term asset management. Mac was a waiver claim and Sparks is 10 years younger, drafted and developed in house.

Carrick never separated himself from a group of Dmen including Ozhiganov, Rosen, borgman, Holl, Marincin etc and he makes $1.3 mill where most of them make $650-925k. That’s kinda the return I thought we would get. When people were suggesting 4th round picks I said that’s wishful thinking.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 01 Oct 2018 19:41:00
Marincin sucks though. I don't care if Carrick makes 600k more than him. We don't needthe cap this year. i'd rather have just kept Carrick than Marincin smh. Marincin just played bad during camp and got a job. Smh.

2.) 01 Oct 2018 19:47:31
Marincin is somehow an above average Dman according to analytics. Dubas is an analytics guy. Marincin just played a big role for the championship marlies. Dubas was the marlies GM. Not sure how much all that weighed into the decision, but I agree with you that he shouldn’t be on the team. However, carrick hasn’t done anything to impress me over the last half of last season and this camp. If they felt he wasn’t going to play anyway, and sit in the pressbox, maybe it’s better for that to be Marincin. No one would take Marty and this frees up a roster spot for future moves maybe. I dunno.

3.) 01 Oct 2018 20:13:38
I’m ok with Carrick and Marincin never playing s game for the leafs again. I’ve heard that about Marincin and analytics, it sure makes me a non believer. He is an AHL defenseman at best. I’d play Borgman or Rosen ahead of him any day.

4.) 01 Oct 2018 20:45:52
@Leafs17, preaching to the choir lol which is why I’m somewhat doubtful of analytics as well. I don’t doubt that they have SOME value in assessing players, but they need to be used in moderation with some old school Eyetest evaluations. Babcock and Dubas each specialize in one of those styles, so hopefully they can accent each other and keep an open mind towards eachother and not get in a pissing contest.

5.) 01 Oct 2018 22:31:20
Carrick sucks. Marincin sucks. Leafs have a lot of defensive prospects, but outside of Liljegren and maybe Sandin, the rest of the guys are just plugs. Finding and retaining a 1RHD is going to be the most difficult task facing Leafs management to complete the roster. If we trade, it will be expensive. And drafting and developing another player will be time consuming.

We only have Tavares for seven years. That’s not actually a very big window of opportunity.

6.) 01 Oct 2018 22:57:04
A #1 RHD is obviously ideal, but pretty unrealistic both in what assets we would have to give away and where they would fit in salary cap wise. A good RHD, good in his own zone but still capable of moving a puck out would go a long way. Could acquire that without hurting the offense a ton and could probably pay one. Something similar to Adam Larson would be nice, just not at the cost of a Hart Trophy winner lol.

7.) 02 Oct 2018 11:39:18

The problem is that even a half decent RHD still costs an arm and a leg. What is forgotten in the excitement surrounding the Hall-Larsson trade is the NJ eventually had to trade Henrique for Vatanen, a very sizeable payment in and of itself.

Getting a 1RHD via trade is going to be expensive. Best Leafs can hope for is to keep getting plugs on expiring contracts for cheap, like we did with Hainsey, and maybe Faulk next year, and hope Liljegren steps up sooner rather than later.



28 Sep 2018 17:36:09
Report is the leafs are actively shopping Connor Carrick this morning. I’m guessing that kind of says Ozhiganov will be the 6th man. Carrick won’t bring back anything of much value but could be a decent pick up for a young team. He plays pretty aggressive for his size and extremely intelligent. He’s a strong skater but not the quickest. When we got him he was a good prospect with high expectations here, unfortunately the emergence of Dermott and Holl, and the fact we have signed 4 European Pro dmen (Zaitsev, Rosen, Borgman and Ozhiganov) since getting him hash squeezed him out.

Canucks could be a nice fit. Maybe.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 28 Sep 2018 19:28:35
Yeah I'd say he's a warm body at best at this point.

2.) 28 Sep 2018 20:22:03
Yeah. He could develop into something. The problem is the leafs ‘growing phase’ went by really fast. He’s kinda in the same boat as Sparks, Babcock can’t afford to let guys make mistakes to learn anymore. Expectations are too high now and he need results. Which is why I think he’s really pushing for mchilleney to be the back up. Long term, keeping Sparks makes more sense, but MAC is capable of not playing for 25-30 days and then come in and put up a great game, something I don’t think Sparks would be able to do yet.

3.) 28 Sep 2018 20:52:59
Carrick and a 3rd for Trouba %25 retained.

4.) 28 Sep 2018 22:52:29
Good deal yupp. Might be too much for an over rated 3rd pairing Trouba.

5.) 29 Sep 2018 01:54:00
I thought that too. Was thinking the pick should be a 4th but made it a 3rd because Jets will retain some money on trouba to get the better pick. Good deal for both sides.

6.) 29 Sep 2018 02:18:47
Chicago should grab him, their defence is terrible so he would have a good shot at playing regularly.

7.) 29 Sep 2018 02:32:54
Carrick for Jerabek.



19 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Tor - C/ RW William Nylander, D Andrew Nielsen

VGK- D Colin Miller, D Nicolas Hague

If the leafs and Nylander can’t come to terms (I do believe they will fairly soon), then maybe they move on to address other areas

Leafs have plenty of capable wingers to play along side Matthews and Marleau, so kapanen, Leivo or Johnsson move up.

Leafs get a really good 2 way RHD, soon to be 26 years old, 4 years at $3.8 million, who already has connections to Kyle Dubas. They also get a real good LHD prospect.

Vegas has the cap space to pay Nylander and their RW depth is awful. afternoon reilly Smoth, it goes alex Tuch and Ryan Reeves. This pushes tuch to 3 and reeves to 4 where they should be. Nielsen is a giybthat could be a decent NHL Dman eventually but still a young project for sure. Just adds to their depth because they’re losing 2 D in the deal.

Leafs give up the best player but that salary of miller vs what Nylander wants is valuable on its own. Also a D core of

Rielly Miller
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov

All of a sudden looks pretty solid while still maintaining one of the best toon 9 forward groups in the league of

Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kadri Leivo.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 19 Sep 2018 23:48:34
top 6 doesn't look that great without nylander. until kapanen can finish he's a 3rd liner. i would love to see conner brown get a shot at the top line, guy is under rated. and there's a reason he is above leivo on the depth chart.

seeing some lines at the first pre season game means very little to me. things will shake out a lot differently.

as far as the trade goes i would take miller in a heartbeat.

2.) 20 Sep 2018 00:47:27
Very well thought out imo, but I also doubt Nylander is going to be moved.

I don’t see how he/ his agent can seriously expect to get anything over $7mln when Pasta is better and only makes $6.7 mln or whatever and I don’t see how the leafs think they can get him signed to less than $6mln given other comparables. Doesn’t seem like they can be that far apart.

3.) 20 Sep 2018 02:58:06
What kind of a joke is this proposal? If you trade Nylander to Vegas, you better get William Karlsson back in return.

4.) 20 Sep 2018 04:41:15
I agree I think he gets signed, I've said that all along he will get 6-8 years around $6.5 mill. Just so many people talking trade now and the obvious move is for a RHD. I think miller is the right balance for Rielly. Good core age too. Hague if he keeps progressing could take dermotts spot on third pair next year when dermott takes Gardiners spot on 2nd pair, to save more cap again.

Just a thought. I don’t want to trade Nylander, but I like this option a lot better than Subban at $9 mill or Stephen Johns at any price lol which were previously suggested.

5.) 20 Sep 2018 06:54:54
Good post jim 😃.

6.) 20 Sep 2018 12:36:49
Pretty good trade. I like Nylander and Miller. Makes sense for both teams, Nylander could be great in Vegas and they can afford him. Is losing Miller creating too much a hole in Vegas D tho? They have a good tip six right now with the two big additions this summer don't they?
Also, you can't add Johnson and Lievo into "best top 9 in the league". You can say a great top 7 tho. Haha.

7.) 20 Sep 2018 12:42:15
@NylanderMagic. I post to get responses, so I won’t be rude about your response, but explain then why you feel the leafs need to take back a Centreman who would be either 3rd or 4th best on the team rather than a RHD who would immediately be your best?

8.) 20 Sep 2018 12:53:03
@yupp, I said still “one of the best top 9s” not “the best”, amd having tavares, matthews, marner, Kadri and Marleau on top 3 lines, plus could have put Brown instead of Leivo, forgot all about him and he’s scored 20, don’t know many teams that can roll out a better 9 to be honest.

Also I did feel it could leave a bit of a hole in Vegas D, but that’s what it would take to get a player like Nylander. Their team is good but not extremely deep in any position yet, so to get a RW, which is their worst position, it’s going to leave somewhere else noticeably weaker unfortunately.

9.) 20 Sep 2018 14:04:36
The value seems about right. It does leave a hole in the Vegas defense though like yupp said. I agree with ovie that Brown deserves to be moved up but I don’t think Kapanen has had much of a chance playing with some talent either. I bellieve Babcock has said himself that Brown seems to get the shaft often because of the depth up front.

10.) 20 Sep 2018 17:01:45
I like it, althoigh, still seems slightly underwhelming of a return, just because of Willys youth compared to Millers. maybe an added pick like a 2nd and Toronto adds in a guy like Freddy Gauthier? Idk.

I don't mind this tho. Would (obv) prefer to hang onto willly, as most would.

11.) 20 Sep 2018 17:06:41
I think brown gets relegated to lower lines, not because of skill, but because he’s so responsible and so versatile that you never have to worry about who he's going to play with or how many minutes he gets, he’s always going to just do his job.

12.) 20 Sep 2018 17:08:02
Good post, interesting trade. Props Jimmy boy!

13.) 20 Sep 2018 22:33:02
jim i whole heartedy agree brown is a gem because he just does his job. he's a really low rent toews in my eyes, love watching him play.

jims just on point with this.

14.) 21 Sep 2018 05:49:32
Brown was actually taught responsible play by his dad, Dan. He was an amazing minor league coach and has appenrently been offered jobs to coach junior but says he gets to be a hockey dad at the highest level and watch his son play for the hometown leafs every night. Doesn’t want to give that up.

Dan Brown had a 10 or 11 year old Select team and won the championship, they offered him the rep A team and he just took his select team to A, won the chanpionship, was offered a AAA team and took his same guys mostly, won it all a few times in a row before a bunch of his guys went to the OHL at 16. In the 2012 Draft when the leafs took Brown in the 6th round, 6 or 7 (not sure exactly) players that dan had coached all the way up went in the draft that year including Scott Laughton in the first round to Philly and Jake Paterson, their goalie, to Detroit in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s extremely impressive and shows why Brown plays the game the way he does. My dad has actually known Laughtons grandfather for decades and he told us that.




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20 Dec 2018 17:39:06
I wonder if Jim Rutherford feels bad this morning. For a manager in a suit upstairs to call out a player on the ice and use a player in his own team like a pawn while doing it is stupid.

Then seeing the player you called out knock out a guy that you basically dared him to fight is karma in its purest form. Such a stupid thing for a GM to do. Build the team, leave the rest to the players and maybe a coach.

I feel bad for Oleksiak because I don’t like seeing anyone actually get hurt, but it looks good on Rutherford and I’m glad Wilson took care of it first chance he got. Should shut down the narrative that he’s scared of the penguins pretty quick when he KOs the 6’7 260 pounder that Rutherford threw to the wolves.

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1.) 20 Dec 2018 20:26:59
What? What happened, I’m confused.

2.) 20 Dec 2018 21:56:44
I liked when crosby and ovechkin were shouting back and forth. Pierre mguire was giving the play by play on it and said ovechkin challenged crosby, but who knows with McGuire they could have just been swapping Christmas cake recipes.

3.) 21 Dec 2018 00:06:50
It didn’t really look like Oleksiak was ready, Wilson just kinda dropped his mitts and started going before Oleksiak was ready. maybe I’m just biased against Wilson but I think I’d both guys had squared off then went at it it’d have been a different outcome.

4.) 21 Dec 2018 00:21:01
Wilson played the pens for the first time since the playoff series when he crushed that Reese kid. Rutherford ran his mouth saying Tom Wilson is scared of Jamie Oleksiak and couldn’t run away fast enough from him. So 55 seconds into the game Wilson dropped the gloves with him and KO’d him.

I’m not saying Rutherford forced Oleksiak to fight. He probably wanted to anyway to stick up for his teammate, but once your GM basically dares a guy to fight you, he takes away your right to choose if and when it happens. Once Rutherford said that, Oleksiak couldn’t turn down that fight or even delay it. If Wilson went up to him and he didn’t fight right away, he makes himself look like a wimp, makes the Gm look like an idiot etc. Rutherford basically sewered his own player and he ends up hurt.

5.) 21 Dec 2018 10:16:37
@mertle, watch it again. Oleksiak throws the first punch and misses. Brian Burke in the habs broadcast said the same thing at first and then watched it Again and said Oleksiak had time and advanced on Wilson. I agree.



19 Dec 2018 19:51:04
Patrik Berglund has agreed to a mutual termination of his contract with the sabres. Sabres save $2.72 mill for the remainder of this season, plus almost $3.3mill per season for the next 3 years. Just made skinners raise from $5.725 mill to the $8-8.5 range a whole lot easier to do.

Also Berglund walks away from almost $12.6 mill of guaranteed money. I don’t know what happened there that made him refuse to report to practise, then the team suspend him and now this, but to walk away from that kinda coin, it must have been bad.

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1.) 19 Dec 2018 22:42:32
Not going to lie, if I was the Sabres I would go after hometown Patrick Kane hard. Eichel, Dahlin, E. Kane. Pretty good. Rienhart or Middlestadt would be the start of the talks. Plus a 2019 1st. Buffalo I think even has two 1st and two 2nds in the next draft (I think I heard) .

2.) 20 Dec 2018 02:15:51
Mutual termination doesn’t really mean he agreed, it means he was given notice if he didn’t report he’d be terminated and he didn’t report. From what I saw he can still pursue different grievance actions once it’s official.

3.) 20 Dec 2018 05:45:07
I’d keep Middlestadt and Rienhart personally, Yup. There window is just starting and those are two quality players that are much younger and will be cheaper for at least another half decade.

4.) 20 Dec 2018 18:05:37
Ya I like those two and was just saying I think Buffalo should go after Kane because he's from there and is still one of the best in the league. Would boost that team incredibly. I think I like Middlestadt more than Reinhart.
And was just saying the talks would start with one of them + a 1st ++ something. I think I would do Reinhart, 1st + a decent roster player plus something else. From Buffalo I would do that from Chicago prob not.



19 Dec 2018 18:27:21
I loved watching Dubas presser the other day. “I spend zero percent of my time worrying about offer sheets on Matthews and Marner” also about them having $35 million in cap to defend any offer sheet. Max offer for both could add up to $33.2 mill which would never happen. Basically it says no one else is getting extended until these 2 sign, which means hainsey, Ennis and Gardiner walk, which is expected. And Johnsson and Kappy wait for an extension of they’re not traded first.

Also said they want to upgrade D, obviously, but if they can have the 2 contracts done before the deadline, they would prefer to add someone with term (pesce? Slavin? Pietrangelo? Parayko? ) . Otherwise, may have to be a rental.

Finally having Nylander come out with his advice to Matthews and Marner and say ‘dont Sit out’ lol I wouldn’t expect him to tell them to sit out in his second week back, but it sure doesn’t sound like the advice of a guy that feels he won the situation.

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1.) 19 Dec 2018 18:36:39
What nylander says to the press isn't the same as what he says privately. and it'll be interesting to see what happens with marner and Matthews. I think he spends time planning for it but not worrying.

2.) 19 Dec 2018 19:54:33
Blackalpaca, I agree. It was just interesting to hear. The typical boring hockey interview answer would be “that’s a personal decision and it’s between those guys and their agents. I did what I thought was best for me and they have to do the same”.

3.) 20 Dec 2018 00:00:58
Why would he worry about a offer sheet right now? It's like another 7 months before anyone can offer one lol. plus the fact nobody ever does it anymore I wouldn't be worried either. Leafs media fishing for stories again, must have been a slow week.

4.) 20 Dec 2018 08:38:48
Actually habby, I bet you he is worried and saying he’s not, lol. I know it’s months away and it rarely happens but you never know. I could see Arizona, NYI or SJ (if Karlsson doesn’t resign) consider this.

5.) 20 Dec 2018 14:32:13
The only way he's worried is if he thinks there's no chance of getting one or both of them signed for a number they can live with. If this drags on like the nylander negotiation then I could maybe see someone stick in an offer. I'd still be slightly suprised though even then.

6.) 20 Dec 2018 15:23:57
If I'm Arizona. I do it 100%. this is the most irrelevant team in the history of hockey. maybe North American Sports. . so make some noise, create a buzz. we all know I dislike the player. but Mathews is a great talent. would be the biggest thing that team ever did.

7.) 20 Dec 2018 17:38:58
The player has to sign the offer sheet too tho. I don’t doubt Matthews May want to play for the coyotes at some point in his career, it’s his hometown and were his hero’s growing up. If he chose to do that, how could we blame him after the Tavares thing? However I don’t believe for a second he wants to do that now. To walk away from a team with a real chance to compete for 6-7 years and maybe win? Doubt it. Arizona isn’t near the team the leafs are, they have a few decent pieces, but it would cost them 4 first rounders. That means what you see is what you get. They aren’t likely getting any other stars in the draft in the next 4 seasons. They won’t have great currency to acquire top players with no 1st or top prospects for over half of the length of the contract. Just makes no sense.

8.) 20 Dec 2018 16:52:51
Arizona would be a logical candidate. whether or not they could afford it is an entirely different question.

9.) 20 Dec 2018 19:20:38
I can’t see anyone giving up 4 1st rounders. Pretty sure the Leafs will be safe when it comes to that. Nylander should’ve been the guy teams offer sheeted. I was kinda hoping NYI would’ve.

10.) 20 Dec 2018 22:16:17
Arizona with Matthews and leafs without matthews closes the gap between the team a nice bit though jim.

11.) 21 Dec 2018 00:22:21
That would have been 4 1st rounders for Nylander too lol done deal. Then replace his offense with 2 picks and get a Dman with 2 picks.

12.) 21 Dec 2018 10:17:18
@habby, I said the teams as constructed. Obviously he sways the bar but without their next 4th rounders it’s not getting better once he’s there for a while. Remember I said that?! Lol

Also you said down the page there that the difference between the habs and leafs is a cpl bounces on the PP, so excuse me for not taking your team evaluations as gospel 😂

“If the habs scores more on the Pp they would be higher in the standings”. That’s as good as Yupps “if the oilers didn’t lose as many games they would be close to Toronto in the standings” from last month haha.

13.) 21 Dec 2018 12:53:45
Unless I’m looking at the wrong compensation I thought it was a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

14.) 21 Dec 2018 13:58:27
Yeah your right jim leafs are the best no way anyone could catch them in the standings.

15.) 21 Dec 2018 15:44:46
Ppl can and will catch them in the standings. It’s just hilarious to say “if our PP was better, we would have scored more PP goals, won 4 more games and catch the leafs! ” Then why wouldn’t I just say “well then our PK should have been better, we would have prevented 6 more PP goals against, won 5 more games and been even further ahead of you in the standings! ” Hahaha such a dumb thing to say.

If the kings weren’t so slow they wouldn’t have been outskated in almost every game and they would be near the top of the league! If zach Hyman had better hands to finish passes he would be chasing Ovechkin for the rocket! When you’re getting into hypotheticals that mean absolutely nothing (because every team and player in the league have 100 ‘what ifs’) then I’m done lol unbelievably dumb argument.

16.) 21 Dec 2018 15:48:17
@ebs, depends on what was offered obviously but for him to leave, he wanted bigger money and long term.

17.) 21 Dec 2018 15:34:46
Well. Obviously ya predict the best when ya draft. However doesn't always work out. think we had a 4 year run of 1st Rounders of Beauleiu, Galchenyuk, McCarron and Sherbac. wouldn't have missed them. Now, obviously, ya can't predict how bad a first will be. but. ( and yes I still don't like him) . I'd trade those 4 1sts fo Mathews. and be quite happy.

18.) 21 Dec 2018 16:53:11
But Sosa the leafs are so far superior in every way that they would draft 2 50 goal scorers who would also be the best two way players and toughest in the league and 2 Norris trophy winners on defence with those 4 picks.

19.) 22 Dec 2018 11:34:49
No one has ever claimed leafs are tough Habby. See, I can admit my team is missing something. Also missing another good Dman. Yet you started this whole thing because someone else had the gull to say “not to offend, but my opinion is that the habs lack the offensive talent of the better PP teams”. And that sent Habby right to Crabby.

That skin is so thin it’s clear. Basically cling wrap over tissue for you to get so bent out of shape from someone saying IMO habs lack some talent. Tell me leafs lack toughness. I agree. don't think it’s the end of the world, but can acknowledge they aren’t tough like some of their competition. They’ll make up for it with skill. Habs can make up for lack of talent with work ethic and structure like I praised them for. They have that by the bucket full. Reign Crabby Habby back into Happy Habby, it’s the holidays.

20.) 22 Dec 2018 16:08:39
We need 3 left hand dmen see I can say my team needs something. That was never the point. I can tell you what we need to get out of 30th place on the PP, nothing, cause their is enough talent to be much better then that. that's all this is about. Don't try and keep it going jim I was just keeping you warmed up for yupp.

21.) 22 Dec 2018 16:13:36
Plus I don't think the leafs are really lacking toughness or I would have already said that. Teams don't need to be tough in today's game if they have enough skill.

22.) 22 Dec 2018 16:15:14
I should add I don't think they have to add toughness if the current players they have are physically tough enough to handle it. That's still left to be seen. maybe if they ever go on a long playoff run we will get a better idea.

23.) 22 Dec 2018 21:44:07
Really had to coax that outta you, huh? They're not perfect! Lol making progress Crabby, I’m proud of you. If talent on the PP isn’t the problem then tell me honestly that if you replaced a player on that Unit with Laine, Matthews or Ovechkin (someone that adds a legit high end scoring threat with pure talent) who your players have no chemistry history with, your PP isn’t automatically more dangerous. If you can honestly say that, I’ll believe That you’re a really good liar or absolutely sideways.

24.) 22 Dec 2018 21:46:26
“Watching Montreals pp is so depressing. What do you think the problem is? ”

That’s the original post that started this. It’s open for people to comment on. It doesn’t say what does HABBY think the problem is. It says what do YOU. So someone said what THEY thought the problem was, lack of offensive talent, and you go off like someone talked bad about your mother lol. No one hijacked a private conversation where only your opinion was asked for or allowed. He thinks more talent would improve that PP, I agree. You don’t. Fine. Get over it.

25.) 23 Dec 2018 14:51:39
You said they were the 2nd least talented team in the league and I said they had enough talent to be better then 30th on the PP. That's the argument don't try and change things like always.

26.) 23 Dec 2018 21:27:31
I never said second least talented at all, never said least talented, never said 5th least talented. I never gave a number. I challenged you to name less talented teams and you never did. I never gave them a ranking besides saying the teams among to top PP were Tampa, Washington, Toronto, Boston, Pittsburgh, sanjose etc and that habs definitely don’t belong in that group talent wise. You made up the 29th or 30th thing all on your own.

27.) 24 Dec 2018 01:02:37
We'll you said they are where they are because of lack of talent so I guess they are 30th in the league talent wise in your opinion. where I said they should be somewhere in the top 20.

28.) 24 Dec 2018 01:27:39
Another Habby inference instead of truth. Me agreeing with someone that habs don’t have as much offensive talent as leafs, Tampa, Boston, Washington etc means they’re the worst in the league? Lol even after I said they’re impressing me this year.



17 Dec 2018 19:29:50
Watched the Jets/ Lightning game last night. What a hockey game. Obviously I want Leafs coming out of the east which will be tough to even get out of our division with Boston and Tampa (Buffalo?! ) but if it ended up Tampa/ Jets and each game was half as entertaining as that one last night, it would be a treat for any true hockey fan (once you get over your team not being there)

Just awesome to see great structure and coaching and yet can still have so much skill and effort to have a 9 goal end to end game. It’s the type of game that happens every cpl months that I say “if someone wasn’t a hockey fan and you made them watch that game, it would convert a lot of people”.

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1.) 17 Dec 2018 20:15:27
Yup, one heck of a game. A little bit hard on the heart though. 😆 Scheifele has been fantastic for this last little stretch.

2.) 17 Dec 2018 21:16:04
I have him in my fantasy league. Extra points for PP points and GWG lol I’m loving his season. 3 OT winners in a month now isn’t it?

3.) 17 Dec 2018 21:28:40
I believe so. He's been Mr. Clutch for us.

4.) 17 Dec 2018 22:54:02
That was a great game. especially for a seasonal non conference/ divisional game. lots of end to end chances. reminded me of old school hockey. was nice to see.



15 Dec 2018 10:05:38
I accidentally clicked on ‘Fantasy Trades’ button. First 2 offers on there are from colt offering packages with parayko for marner and Matthews. What better way to be told you’re overvaluing your players than having the site redirect your proposals and literally file them under ‘fantasy’ haha just too perfect.

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26 Dec 2018 11:12:50
I would welcome a McQuaid deal for sure. Wouldn’t want to give up much as he’s a bottom pair on an expiring deal. I’d be happy with that trade.

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25 Dec 2018 22:48:39
If we are trading Nylander, they will want to get the prime years of the Dman coming back. Kieth is an option if he would wave to leave Chicago, but not at that price.

Also schmaltz is in Arizona.

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25 Dec 2018 13:25:32
The way kids come into the league ready to be stars at 18, 19 and 20 now, these bottom teams can turn it around so quickly. Kane at his age will still be a superstar when the hawks are better in a couple years. if they make a couple good decisions.

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24 Dec 2018 19:00:49
Unless Montreal is finishing really poorly and that’s a top 5ish unprotected pick, it’s not worth the downgrade from Schenn to Danault. There would be a number of teams to offer more.

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22 Dec 2018 11:31:16
Just don’t think the kings concern while trading a good NHL Dman is getting a guy who had chemistry in junior with their latest waiver pick up 5-6 years ago. Like Marcus said, one of the top prospects would have to go. Kings had discussed muzzin tontoronto in Nylander deals apparently and then suggestions of kapanen+ came out. Just don’t think Petan+ does it.

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23 Mar 2019 17:09:35
I think he means that by ripping Tobias Rieder and saying he’s the reason they’re not in the playoffs lol basically blaming a $2 mill player that has been on the 3rd and 4th line more than the top 2 lines for their seasons instead of any management, coaching, star players or just high paid non star players. Free Agents are going to look at the way that he passes the blame of his entire organization onto one guy. Players (and the agents and union) won’t loke that at all and there will probably be some people that won’t want to be part of that. On top of the rest of the disaster there, this just adds. Also from the start I said if bob Nicholson is doing the hiring of the next GM then nothing will change and now he is saying “Toby Reider will not be resigned! ” Is that his call?! Hitchcock says reider is a good player, does things the right way and is valuable to the team. If the new GM wants to keep reider and Nicholson says no, who’s calling the shots and again. nothing’s changing.

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26 Dec 2018 21:11:29
Where did your comment go?! You play dumb again about not knowing the account ‘biased jim’ after that’s what you call me and it shows up writing just like you. Now your comments and that one is deleted at the same time?! Lol come on man. Get off the pedestal, you’re as childish as anyone, you’re as petty as anyone, you make fake accounts to mock people like other guys on here have done. You’re the definition of hypocritical. Get over yourself and move on.

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25 Dec 2018 22:52:10
And because it’s christmas and I’m in the giving mood, you’re right Habby, I’ll give you credit, habs are a very talented team and anyone who says otherwise is and was out of line. Moving on now?!

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25 Dec 2018 22:51:23
Habby, I’m not changing my name lol I’ve had it all along and don’t need to change it or have multiple accounts. If you don’t like it, just log back into ‘Biased Jim’ and comment how you want lol otherwise, get over it.

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25 Dec 2018 22:50:59
Merry Christmas.

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