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05 Jul 2014 19:01:20
Hearing rumours from another site that leafs leafs are gearing up to possibly offer sheet O'Reilly! Now we all know that Colorado would match it but it also says that Colorado did mention that there are a few befencive prices that Toronto could offer to make a trade go through.
Now remember that it is only O'Reillys rights that we are talking about here so let's not over due it and say that Toronto would have to trade the world, but what do you thing it would take to make this happen?
My guess is that it would revolve around Gardiner and a pick? I don't believe, at least I pray not, that the pick won't be a 2015 1st, and that it is a 2nd or a 2016 1st, but what does everyone else think?
1.) 05 Jul 2014 20:57:13
2015 1st + Gardiner would be a huge steal for TOR
No way COL accepts this
2.) Nonis doesn't seem like the type of GM who would be happy to sign RFAs and pay compensation.
Actually Nonis isn't the type of GM that does anything good.
3.) Gardiner and a 1st is not a steal for Toronto just to have the rights to orielly . huge over payment by t.o
4.) Nonis loves to trade draft picks though. Surprises me that nobody good wants to play for toronto anymore. a lot to do with the big overrated captain #3
5.) COL hangs up the phone laughing!
Gardiner is over-rated!
The Avs could get a lot more for O'Reilly, IF they were to trade his rights, which they won't, not after losing Stastny.
6.) 1st in 15+jake gardiner for oreilly sounds about right, leafs then sign del zotto and trade franson for 3 quarter pounders and a large double double
7.) A player in arbitration can't be offer-sheeted.
8.) This rights thing is a red herring. Whoever he gets traded to he has to sign with as he is still a RFA.
Gardiner and a 1st would not be enough
9.) Bcampoli: if you're referring to what I posted, you're wrong. Plain and simple: a player in arbitration can't be offer-sheeted.
If you're referring to a different post, my apologizes. However, the results remains the same.
10.) 06 Jul 2014 15:04:42
Colorado lost stastny,no way they let O'reilly go
11.) ^ if they were that concerned about keeping O'Reilly they would have signed him. There is still a chance he moves, albeit a small one
12.) The "period" for teams to offer an offer sheet has passed, so we Colorado doesn't have to worry about it and can try and get RR signed to a long term deal!
06 Jan 2014 03:39:35
so i'm reading all these trade rumours here and reading all the biased stuff people are saying and wanted to clearify a few things then make and attempt at my own unbiased and seemingly fair trade.
first I want to start by asking why people all of a sudden think that Kadri is a plague in the locker room? is this becuase one reporter out of NY said that Toronto wants to get ride of him. coming from everyones own words here but you can't believe everything you read on the internet especially something unproved from a noname NY reporter. Toronto has said a lot of names on the trading block so that also can't mean that because they have recieved calls about him, doesn't mean he is a plague! that would make all kinds of players a plague then, right? sure Kadri may be a little cocky but he is in the NHL and is actually a really good YOUNG player. He has 86 points in 136 games. that is pretty decent for a player who hasn't been in the NHL for 2 full seasons yet.
there are also a few other leafs players that I would talk about but it wouldn't make a difference anyway. Gardiner not being one of them, I personally don't care if they traded him for a 7th at this point. The leafs just need to make a trade to get some change in the dressing room.
okay now my trade offer that I feel is fair.
Toronto trades: Kadri, Franson, Gauthier, TJ Brennen, 1st rnd 2014 and 2nd rounder for whenever they have one.
Colorado trades: Duchene and Siemens.
Kadri, Gauthier, Franson and 1st = Duchene
Brennen, 2nd = Siemens
remember people, you have to give up some things decent to get someone decent. why I believe this works is fair in my eyes.
Duchene is elite, not doubt, so he needs a lot. Kadri gives them a young center who is cheap and can only get better. I believe he wouldn't be called "cocky" or seem as he is in Colorado because he wouldn't be banked on as a #1 guy and have experienced players to lead him. Gauthier gives them a future big centerman who is tearing it up in the Q and is looking excellent so far. Franson is a big, right handed d man who would give Colorado a big physical play and a big offensive push. He leads the leafs in defensman points and is RFA so they won't lose him after and call it a waste. and the first is just obviously necessary. Sure, losing duchene is hard but they have Mckinnon who is going to surpase him soon enough, maybe even next year. he is there #1 (future) Kadri can be a #2. I believe they will eventually trade statsny but keep O'rielly, so that will give them a great 1-2-3 centerman punch where if someone got hurt, each one of them could potentially fill the others spot. and the first is just a necessity to have.
Siemens in young and good but not worth as much. Brenner is killing it in the marlies and the second is fair cause siemens has yet to prove to be that much.
please if you are going to comment, leave a legitimate response and reason as to why or how it could be better or work/not work.
anyways, should be fun to read the comments and sorry for the long post. sometimes it is required to get a point across.
1.) Agree with your point but that trade won't happen bud
2.) Larry Brooks isn't a no name?
3.) No thanks from COL.
4.) Congrats you just made TOR def even worse and emptied the prospect pool.
5.) Too much for Duchene
6.) So as expected Colorado fans say no or not enough, but you guys need to realize that this is fair. Toronto fans also no surprise to say to much or not worth it to deplete the team. i'm not saying it is going to be done, i'm just saying this is what it would take (a point more or less to try and shut people up about the lack of players named in a dumb duchene trade)
but anyways, this does not make torontos deffence worse, we get ride of Franson who is pretty much all but gone in all the other rumours that are being said. and TJ brennen is only one other young prospect d. that doesn't deplete our defence. and it most certainly DOES NOT empty torontos prospect pool. there are soooo many other trades on here that give up 4-5 young prospects and I give up 2 (Gauthier and Brenner) and that emties there prospect pool?!
people, this is my point, stop being so biased and look at it for what it is and not on whether or not you like the players or not. your opinions don't matter, the GMs do, and there have been a lot of hockey analyst who have said that beyong popular belief, Torontos players have more value then what everyone gives them!
7.) I am a leaf fan. I see where you are comming from. The trade seems fair. However why would the avs trade Duchesne? I think Colorado and Toronto are good trade partners but they are never going to give up Duchesne. It would be like Toronto trading Kessel. He is their franchise player. The trade won't happen. Statsny is a much more likely and simple trade for the leafs
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22 Jun 2014 14:53:22
I would like to officially say that the new update to the website making it so that people must have an account and be signed in is awesome! This finally makes it so that people who start crap about one team can finally be pined to whom there team is, meaning we can bash you back for your bad team ;)
And for a sad but realistic leafs fans, hopefully this can cut down on the dumb leafs trades by means of either scaring people from posting so we know who they are or by somene starting a hatred leafs thread that is NOT a leafs fan. Or any other teams fan.
But anyways, I for one am extremely excited for the draft and free agency coming up. I truely believe their will be a lot more trades then normal this year! To many teams have under performed the last few seasons and I believe that with this some what weaker then normal draft, a lot of trades will be made to shake teams up without potentially losing out on an all star in the weak draft.
Now I don't care about what trades there might be(so don't post any here please) but I'm interested to see what other people think?
Is this going to be a good trading year? Quiet, lots of trades, little trades, big shake ups?. Let me know what you think and how this year could play out to determine some teams futures
12 Nov 2013 17:49:55
how pathetic are you Oiler fans?! seriously?
you got it wrong! everything your team has done in the past 5-6 years has been done wrong aside from Eberle and MAYBE RNH (still to be determined)
Eakins would be the best coach your team could ever have if you had a team for him to coach! he points players out because he doesn't sit there and stand for the crap that the Oilers stand for! he is trying to make a team out of all your bumbs!
your start should be everywhere but behind the bench! fire the GM, the scouts and everyone else in the higher staff! they have clearly done wrong in everything they have done in years!
start over again with a few of the peices worth keeping (RNH, Eberle, Shultz, Ference and maybe Hall) Sell of everyone else and start again! the difference this time, don't pick the best player every time, pick the best player that fits your system and your team needs! believe it or not, but this happens all the time.
now when it comes to selling your players, becuase you are in such a crappy position, I will be the first one to break your hearts, you are not, will not and never will get high value for many of your players! there is a thing called leverage that GM's use, and your team has NONE! you have done so bad for so long that you have negative value and you WILL have to take on crap and junk to sell off what u want! you all need to stop bashing players on every team (cough, toronto, cough) and accept the fact that every teams players are better then yours! stats and teams positions alone to catagorize this! Defensive value, PP, PK, leadership, 2 way zone play; these all matter and have more value then your teams does and more leverage!
This is how it should be done! your team has had such high expectations for years that it is only a matter of time before another blow up rebuild!
Okay, now I had my rant, let all the Oilers fans cry back and we can all debate (Cry) about what should be done.
johnb10
1.) Taking pleasure in the suffering of others is symptomatic of a sociopath. So congrats on that. And you call oilers fans pathetic?
2.) How is that taking "pleasure in the suffering of others"
I didn't say anything about that, I am simply proving a point.
where at all did you read or somehow come up with that?
3.) I think if they miss the playoffs this season they still would only match the leafs playoff futility streak which only ended last season. so maybe you should have waited till next season before you gloat too much.
hab.
4.) I was not gloating, again I was merely speculating! I'm trying to prove a point on here that half the oilers trades are more fair and realistic then the oil fans believe. They overrate there players more then any other team because they had such high expectations. Well those expectations have clearly not come to fruition so it is, in my opinion, time for them to do some tweaks. Some rather major tweaks that will sacrifice things that are to precious and valuable to them. And the fact that I posted this a year earlier then the leafs record is purely coincidence. The biggest difference though is that over the time, the leafs made the write moves and are now a true contending team, oilers are not there yet. And unfortunately to say, will probably outlast the leafs record unless they have a miraculous turn around.
5.) The oilers are a couple players short of being a playoff team a good two way dman and a goalie. that's it they could use more grit as well but almost every team could use that. next season will be there big test if they don't make the show even I will start to s. t on them. I still don't like the choice of Eakins as coach he doesn't appear to be the best fit for the younger players on that team. maybe over time he will get them going but who knows. as much as I didn't really like him it pains me to say if they had chose lindy ruff I think they would be in a fight at least for a playoff spot.
hab.
6.) I agree, they need those few pieces, but what I'm saying is that because they are desperate to have success after underachieving the last few seasons, they will have to over pay to get what they need. So in order to make all this happen and to upgrade in a weak spot, it will only weaken another. That being said, they have a good core but they are young and need to learn to back check and play all the zones. It can be done, but it will be hard!
I believe Eakins was chosen because he has the experience in the ahl for Toronto helping develop their rookies. So seeing as a bunch of edmonton a guys are young, I think they felt he would fit the system. He still can, they just need to believe in him.
7.) I disagree about Eakins not being the right coach for young players. They need tough love. someone who won't buckle under the pressure to lay off 'future stars'. They need to learn to be defensively responsible and Eakins is the guy to do that. Perhaps a stint in the minors would have prevented Yak from becoming such prima donna! I love how Eakins has handled Yak. He's a spoiled brat who thought he could play offence-only.
Hope that MacT doesn't buckle under the pressure and can Eakins 'cause he's the best thing to happen to Edmonton!
8.) I really don't understand how you can say Eakins is the best thing to happen to Edmonton given the current record. I get that he was a good AHL coach, but so was Craig MacTavish (and how great was he as an NHL coach? Awful). I'm not sure Eakins is the NHL coach people thought he was. Sure, things could change, but nothing about his system seems to be working so far. I'm an oilers fan so I REALLY HOPE IT DOES, but I'm not even remotely sold on him yet.
9.) You can't say a team is two players away. Every team is two players away. The problem with Edmonton is, they don't have an identity. Are they a fast skilled team are they a physical bruising team. When Boston drafts of Player. They asked the question is he a Bruin. Edmonton just seems to pick player at random. Not one that fits their style. Not one they can build a style around. I believe it had nothing to do with talent. It has everything to do with putting teenagers in a leadership position. All the first overall picks would have been better suited to play in the AHL. they could have worked on their defensive game. They could have gained size and strength to play at the NHL level. They could have learned to win at the AHL and brought that winning attitude to the NHL. They will get some value for their players. General managers believe they can change a player. The value will not be as high as Edmonton fans believe because none of them know how to back check or play in the defensive zone. None of them can score consistently either. You can blame the coach. You can blame the general manager. You can blame the scouting. How many coaches and GM do you have to cycle through before you blame the players.
Matty
10.) Oh matty you continue make those dump responses do you even watch hockey or do you just listen to the tsn panel. boston drafts players and the first thing they ask is will be be a bruin is that why they drafted seguin. no it was because him and taylor hall were ranked #1 and 2 in the world. when drafting high like the oilers have done the last few seasons any gm with even a single grain of intelligence would draft the best player available. the oilers felt like they were lacking depth on defence at this years draft so they drafted the dman they thought was the best available. they will be fine in a couple years and yes a couple players like I posted before would make a huge difference. look how much difference kadri and reimer made to the leafs last season. I rest my case
hab.
And apparently to everyone else who isn't a leafs fan, franson was worth a second at best and a 3 for santorelli. So instead of looking like a typical leafs hater and self proclaimed hockey know-it-all(like everyone else on here) why don't we agree to meet in the middle and say that getting a 1st and a mediocre prospect isn't that bad! Besides the preds can easily not win the cup and it could end up anywhere!
Instead of bashing the leafs for once, why not trying to embrace the fact that the leafs are on a rebuild and maybe say something good about them getting a 1st round pick in this draft. We all know that is a good thing considering the leafs tend to trade away their 1st rounders!
God only knows this is something good to look forwards to in leaf land! This is the first time in years in happy with what the leafs have decided to do.
24 Jul 2014 15:52:12
This is not by any means an overpayment! Get over it people, kadri is good and staying with the leafs hopefully!
Here is a little statistical help to prove my point.
Between the age of 18-23 kessel had 119 points. Kadri had113(in 2 full seasons) where kessel did that in 3 or 4 full seasons.
Kadri has more point before the age of 23 and in less time(2 seasons) then James Neal and max pacioretty! And those are just the top 2!
Oh and here is another comparison. What is Ryan O'Reilly worth on here?
Well it's stats time. Kadri has played 177 games/46goals/67assists/113points and +2 in say 2 1/4 years.
O'Rielly has played 345 games/73goals/ 118assists /191points and -8 in 5 full years.
That's 78 more points and 168 more games in nearly 3 years more time then kadri?!? He will have that in the next year and a half, if not sooner, mark it down!
I'm not saying I would pin kadri as the better player atm or that he will be a star or anything, I'm just saying he is worth WAYYYY more then you people give him credit for and WILL become a solid 2nd line center capable of getting 65-75 points/season.
I do agree with you, but seeing as Toronto has no real high end prospect in their farm system(face it leafs fans, it's true!) I am still hesitant to give up the 2015 1st. I would rather persuade Tampa bay with more picks later then just the one first rounder in 2015. So there for I would say.
TB gets:
Phaneuf(1.5 retained, gardiner, 2014 8th overall, 2016 1st and 2015 or 2016 2nd
Tor gets:
Drouin
Everything above I said still stands, just made it more clearer and took out Percy/Finn. I truely believe TB don't need to add, drouin is worth that much considering he was compared to a stamkos kind of scorer/player.
Btw 2 stamkos = scary!
I have to disagree with draisaitl_94, I believe that maybe a bit of an overpayment,but not as much as the other guy saying Phaneuf and a 3rd is worth it.
I would say
Edmonton gets: phaneuf(1.5 retained), kadri and the 8th
Toronto gets: eberle and the 3rd.
Phaneuf with 1.5 retained is easily worth the 3rd overall to me. I believe he is a top 2 any day on edmontons team and that is what they need now to win. So at 1.5 retained. He is worth it.
Nd I believe kadri and the 8th is worth eberle. Kadri can easily put up 60+ points if played better then he is in Toronto! and the 8th gives them a great prospect whom could be ready in 2 years capable of putting up big points also in ehlers, vertanen or dal cole(all projected around there)
The way I look at it as a leafs fan is that they would have to address tampas needs to make it work. They have enough good to elite forward talent so they would need d men,
My offer would be: Tampa gets
Phaneuf(1.5 mill retained;5.5 cap hit) gardiner, 8th overall, 2nd 2015. And maybe a rookie d man in Percy or Finn?
Toronto gets:
Drouin
This could be fair to me. Drouin is obviously extremely elite potential so a team must pay up to get him. Phaneuf at 1.5 retained is a good deal(enough people have said this is fair for him including you draisaitl_94. There is no doubt he is over paid, but he is easily worth it for 5.5 mill. Gardiner has great potential, I just believe he may need a change in scenery. The other two are possible bottom 6 add on's and the 8th and 2nd a necessary. I would have said add the 2015 1st but that draft is deep and I would rather say the 2016 1st instead.
One has to look at this on how it affects Tampa. This would give them 3 1st round draft picks this year, 2 next year and 2 in 2016 and this team is almost finished rebuilding, they could be done after this draft! So that gives Tampa 7 first rounders that they could dangle to get ANYONE THEY WANT! And gives them more pieces to add to the lineup and then build for a future that is almost assured to win them a Stanley cup or two!
It is the long term deal that needs to be looked at and this seems fair too me.
I can't speak for many other leafs fans but I'm sure the real ones who actually pay attention to them can vouch and say that colbourne was never expected to be a top tier 2nd liner. He never showed any promise for the leafs and never made his mark. Though this is my opinion, but I'm sure if Toronto did value him as one they would have gotten or at least asked for more then the 4th rounder they got for him.
But I am glad to see that he has cracked a full time nhl roster!
No leafs fan is trying to "fleece" nyr for girardi. He is an ufa and is 10000000% NOT a top 2 on any team! He is top 4 but not top 2! It depends on what a team needs to classify him a top 2. Gunnerson is currently torontos top 2 shutdown man, that doesn't make him top 2 on any team and I would say that they are Similar on how they play. Girardi just has more experience.
So nothing being said is unfair or not equal, in fact what u said is un equal and un fair! To get girardi Toronto would need kessel or JVR?! They are worth more then everyone on nyr except maybe Nash and I wouldn't trade any of them straight up cause kessel and jvr are younger and have been playing 5x better then the whole nyr team in the past 2 seasons!
I agree, they need those few pieces, but what I'm saying is that because they are desperate to have success after underachieving the last few seasons, they will have to over pay to get what they need. So in order to make all this happen and to upgrade in a weak spot, it will only weaken another. That being said, they have a good core but they are young and need to learn to back check and play all the zones. It can be done, but it will be hard!
I believe Eakins was chosen because he has the experience in the ahl for Toronto helping develop their rookies. So seeing as a bunch of edmonton a guys are young, I think they felt he would fit the system. He still can, they just need to believe in him.
I was not gloating, again I was merely speculating! I'm trying to prove a point on here that half the oilers trades are more fair and realistic then the oil fans believe. They overrate there players more then any other team because they had such high expectations. Well those expectations have clearly not come to fruition so it is, in my opinion, time for them to do some tweaks. Some rather major tweaks that will sacrifice things that are to precious and valuable to them. And the fact that I posted this a year earlier then the leafs record is purely coincidence. The biggest difference though is that over the time, the leafs made the write moves and are now a true contending team, oilers are not there yet. And unfortunately to say, will probably outlast the leafs record unless they have a miraculous turn around.
How is that taking "pleasure in the suffering of others"
I didn't say anything about that, I am simply proving a point.
where at all did you read or somehow come up with that?