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17 Jun 2024 05:55:32
To Van - Jack McBain 1.5 Million

To Utah - Ilya Mikheyev 4.75 Million, sharks 6th round pick

Van gets a big forward (perhaps a Joshua replacement). Utah gets speed/skill to their game.

Van trades Joshua rights, for rights to Guentzel from the hurricanes.

Van signs B Dillion (LD), resign Hronek, Zadorov, Myers, Silovs

If trade happens, van would have approximately 31.85 million in cap space. Also assuming the cap projection to be 87.675 total cap space.

Guentzle 9.5 Million
Hronek. 8 Million
Zadorov. 6 Million
Dillon. 4 Million
Myers. 2 Million
Silovs. 1.5 Million

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1.) 17 Jun 2024 15:26:56
The UFA rights trade makes no sense, I don't think there's ever been a trade between teams for solely the UFA rights between 2 players.

And I think the reason Hronek hasn't been signed yet is Vancouver isn't willing to go as high as $8m, they want a # lower than Hughes AAV and Hronek has been rumored to be included in their attempts to trade Carolina for Necas.

I do like the Mikheyev trade though and I think Utah would pull the trigger on that if it was offered.


2.) 17 Jun 2024 18:42:57
Good comment!

I think Necas will stay in Carolina, based on his age, which makes Guentzle the odd man out. As for swapping negotiation rights, I feel it's an advantage to both sides if team won't be able to come to terms and specific team needs. Basically it avoids free agent frenzy and missing out or being out bid for a players services.


3.) 17 Jun 2024 20:02:33
Thanks Tuna! I think you're right about Guentzel, the early reports last month suggested that Carolina wanted to try to sign and keep Guentzel but I know I've read that the Hurricanes are open to trading his negotiating rights now.

I think the negotiating rights could be harder to acquire than just offering another free agents negotiating rights though, maybe at least a late round draft pick as well. For example, in the past Detroit has traded a 3rd round pick and the rights to Jonathan Bernier for the rights to Alex Nedjelkovic in 2021 and a 3rd round pick for the rights to Ville Husso in 2022.

Maybe if the Canes are interested in Joshua, his negotiating rights + their 2024 4th round pick would be the right trade value?


 

 

08 Jul 2023 02:47:54
Just spit balling here...

Vancouver trades:

Vancouver - Boeser

Minnesota - 3rd round pick 2024 (2nd round in $$ retained)


Vancouver - Garland

Washington - 2nd round pick 2025

*Washington would have to trade Mantha to make this work**

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I think Vancouver could get Hoglander to fulfill what Garland does, but at a cheaper cap hit.

I think Boesers spot could be filled by Podkolzin.

Then Vancouver should pursue Max Comtois on a "Show me" contract.

If Myers is traded, Dumba could be a great addition... pending the contract. (No more than 3 years @ 4 million)

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1.) 08 Jul 2023 17:28:38
- MIN has around 8M to fill 7 roster spots

- Boeser costs 6.65M

- with 2 more seasons of 14M+ in dead cap MIN isn’t in a position to add a nice piece like Boeser, even at the bargain you’re offering. It would be tempting, but they’re in cap hell for two more years.


 

 

21 Apr 2023 19:34:08
To Vancouver

A. Nedeljkovic @ 3 million (current minors salary is 1.875 million)

Van to retain 1.825 million

Vancouver gains 1.175 in cap space assuming Nedeljkovic plays.


To Detroit

T. Myers @ 4.175 Million

Detroit loses 2.3 million in cap

Thought behind this:

Detroit gets a solid defenseman that is hard to play against. Detroit also gets rid of the dead cap with Nedeljkovic in the minors.

Going to Vancouver to play under Ian Clark could really improve his play as well.


Vancouver takes a gamble on a goalie... as Delia is up for a contract extension. Canucks also free up cap space a tiny bit.

BumbleBeeTuna18

1.) 21 Apr 2023 21:53:25
I made a math mistake. van retain 1.825*.


2.) 24 Apr 2023 20:21:45
Neither team is cap strapped are they? Vancouver could’ve just taken him off waivers if they wanted him.


3.) 25 Apr 2023 16:06:44
Vancouver would have to trade to make this happen because of being over the cap.


 

 

10 Feb 2023 18:24:40
To LA

Demko (G) -- 5 million

Boeser (RW)-- 5.675 million

Total 10.675 million

To Van

Arvidsson (RW/LW) - 4.25 million

Cal Petersson (G) - 5 million m-ntc (3.875 million in the minors)

Turcotte (C) $894,167

2023 1st round pick

Retain 1 Million on Boeser contract

Total 10.25 million


L.A. get to take a good bet on Boeser. When deployed properly and playing in a top 6 roll he is very effective. In Demko, L.A. gets to solve their goaltender position. Johnathan Quick is 37 years old and has one foot out the door. I would argue that these move could push them into a deep playoff run. Demkos contract is a very team friendly 5 million per year.


Vancouver takes on a reclamation project in Cal Petersson. He does have a M-NTC, but under his circumstances, having an opportunity to work with Ian Clark might be what he needs. His contract after this year is 2 years... which gives time to goalie prospects to mature. Van would also receive Turcotte and a 2023 1st round pick For their rebuild.

Lastly, L.A. (according to capfriendly) is expected to have 4.723 million (slightly less because in this post, LA gains $425,00 in cap) to add more to their team S the deadline draws near.

Lastly for Vancouver, they would draft on needs rather than best player available. Should they win the lottery, turcotte would become expendable in search of what they need.

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1.) 10 Feb 2023 21:16:02
BEE: looks good for LA, but is it fair to your Canucks? Seems like they don’t fare as well as they should.


2.) 10 Feb 2023 21:32:38
no from Vancouver, Demko will get a lot more than that especially since LA is adding a cap dump..


3.) 11 Feb 2023 02:03:49
@chickenfoot

yes they don't fair too well, LA could make up the diffrence in picks perhaps. I am a canucks fan, but I try to not over value players. hope this is a breath of fresh air compared to the Leafs / Flames proposals.

@NotACasual

What picks do you think would make up the diffrence?


4.) 11 Feb 2023 15:14:40
It IS a breath of fresh air?, but I tend to agree with Casual that Demko alone is a pretty valuable piece, especially to LA, who needs a good G yesterday.

I’m of the school of thought that you tend to get a bigger haul when you trade major pieces from a rebuilding team separately. Teams only have so many first-rounders and top prospects, which is what VCR needs. For that reason alone I’d trade Boeser and Demko separately. (Though I’d need to be blown away with an offer to trade Demko, I like his game a lot. )

Arvidsson is a great piece, but at 29, he’s the right asset in a return for a rebuilding team.

My brother is a HUGE VCR fan and whatever happens, I hope you guys get some smart hockey deals done. That deal with NYI has Francesco’s meddling fingerprints all over it. Why they jumped on that SO quickly before the deadline is ridiculous. Good luck the rest of the way?.


5.) 11 Feb 2023 15:39:46
I think Demko heads to Pittsburgh for Jarry+

Bookmark that.

Canucks could do better then this.


 

 

24 Jan 2023 15:20:53
I still think there could be a market for JT Miller.

Vancouver

JT Miller (5.25 million @ 50% retained = 2.625 million)

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Boston

Trent Frederic ( 1.05 million)

Jacob Zboril (1.137 million)

1st round pick 2023

Boston would keep their window open long while not sacrificing their future with Fabian Lysell. This would only happen if Bergeron and Krejci decided to retire. Boston would assume Millers contract at 7 million next year.

Vancouver gets their reclaimation project in Zboril, a former first round, and a first round pick (which lets face it, practically a second round pick).

Lastly does anyone know if JT Miller's current contract could be traded but have his extension contract back in Vancouver....so a team trading for him has the flexibility in deciding if he works out well for them?

BumbleBeeTuna18

1.) 24 Jan 2023 18:46:58
This is pretty interesting Bee.

Yes, you can make the trade, as VCR is currently not bound within the clause for the existing term, and the next contracts don’t yet apply. VERY clever on your part.

You can debate whether BOS or another team would or would not want to take on an 8M contract x 7 years which begins when the player turns 30, or how much VCR would get or give to trade a contract like that, but it’s pretty outside the box thinking ?.


2.) 24 Jan 2023 19:28:21
@ 50% retained the Canucks can get alot more in my opinion.


3.) 24 Jan 2023 19:56:00
If van retain, do they have to retain on the contract extension as well? If they do, impossible, vancouver wont retain 4m on 8 a year contract.


4.) 24 Jan 2023 20:23:09
GIS: VCR would only have to retain on the current deal, not the contract that kicks in next season?.


5.) 24 Jan 2023 23:19:47
Horvat and Schenn, maybe, but not Miller, thanks.


6.) 26 Jan 2023 12:53:54
@seabass2011

Boston would have to add for schenn and horvat. Boston would be crazy to trade for Horvat with no contract extention in place, therefore I would argue that Boston would have to add.


7.) 01 Feb 2023 23:03:20
Not sure what you are talking about when it comes to the contract. Any player who is traded with "term" on his contract MUST accept the entire contract, no exceptions. Now a team can pay part of this years salary but in the case of both Boston and Vancouver they have NO cap space to do that. This would have to be an equal trade to make it work.


 

 

 

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12 Aug 2022 15:23:52
All these flames trades are halarious! #pinballisback do you have relatives in Calgary?

Is it me or is calgary in "rebuild denial"?? Huberdeau is a great player... but 10.5 million for a guy that's 29?? Yikes and Weegar... he's 29 in January... but it's true some boats do have 2 anchors lol

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1.) 18 Aug 2022 22:12:51
They’re in win now mode, I’m sure they don’t care about the long term. They’ll probably be rebuilding in 5 years after their contender window closes. Someone’s jealous that their rival is making their team better after a disastrous beginning to free agency.


2.) 19 Aug 2022 10:51:23
Calgary is doing pretty good. Markstrom is the reason they lost. Why all the hate?


3.) 19 Aug 2022 13:32:30
@Habsreally yup, no matter how many goals Calgary scored, Markstrom couldn’t stop a beach ball. Markstrom threw and is the main reason flames lost.


4.) 20 Aug 2022 03:44:53
100 percent they deserved to be there and how they played deserved to lose. How can you be mad when every game is 54, 65or 43.


 

 

08 Feb 2022 03:46:17
Home town nuck. well sure but that's a horrible contract for that type of player. absolutly awful. Both players Vancouver gives are on great contracts. Vancouver blocks Dubas.

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11 Oct 2020 20:10:16
Seeing as Benning didn't sign markstrom and tanev... but said he wants to add a top 6 forward, I would not be surprised if he chases after Taylor Hall, who would take a short term deal for a contending team. The holes in the defense are obvious as well. If Benning goes after Hall, he should try landing Sami Vatanen as well... these two would account for a 10 million cap hit... then with the rest of the defense to fill in the holes from the farm...

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23 Aug 2019 19:18:23
I need to keep 6 keepers in my pool. It's a banger league... but doesn't include PIM. The players we keep, we lose the draft pick this year based on when they were drafted in last year.

I will keep:

Kucherov rnd 1
Bobrovsky rnd 2
Tom wilson rnd 15
Elias pettersson rnd 16


This is where I need help.
Flip Forsberg rnd 4 (maybe?)
Artemi Panarin rnd 4 (via trade last yr)
Blake Wheeler rnd 3

Or should I keep 1 or both

Mike Hoffman rnd 9
Ryan O'Rielly rnd 10

And have a 3rd and fourth pick this year??

This is a 12 team pool... and I placed 8th last year, so I will be 5th in line for picking.

G, A, P, PPP, hits, blks, shots on goal

Wins, save %, GAA

Cheers

BumbleBeeTuna18

1.) 24 Aug 2019 20:55:31
Keeping Tom Wilson over Forsburg, Wheeler and especially Paniran would be a huge mistake hits and Pim are much easier to find then points keep Paniran for sure and if you’re dead set on keeping Wilson I’d keep Wheeler because he’s the better player in this format but Forsburg is younger.

Note: I’m under the assumption that this is an head to head Category based league if it’s points based I’d need more information.


2.) 25 Aug 2019 18:22:47
VB apparently did not understand what picks would be surrendered respectively.
Obviously, Wheeler is better than Wilson. But for Wilson he only has to forfeit his 15th rd pick and Wilson in Rd 15 is very good value. For Wheeler it's his 3rd rd pick.

@BBT18: Tbh, I'd almost be inclined to keep all the guys you mentioned. They all sound like pree good value in their respective rounds. Since you can keep only 6, I'd probably decide for: Kucherov, Wilson, Pettersson, Panarin, Wheeler. For the last spot, I'd re-consider whether Bob is worth that 2nd rd pick. Could be, but goalies are usually a WC, not sure I'd spend 17th overall for him.

Def wouldn't keep Forsberg. He's pretty good obv, but I feel Hoffman in rd 9 is better value than Forsberg in rd 4, if you want to keep any of those over Bob.


3.) 25 Aug 2019 19:26:04
Yah I didn’t understand that I agree with the Triplets.


4.) 26 Aug 2019 13:56:50
Thanks for the help!


 

 

06 Jul 2018 14:24:40
I wouldn't be surprised if a 3 way deal happened with Erik Karlsson with Tampa and vancouver. I hope vancouver doesn't end up with Karlsson. just prospects and picks.

BumbleBeeTuna18

1.) 06 Jul 2018 22:53:56
The third team not names Ottawa or Tampa would just be retaining some of a players contract and receiving picks for that.

Like Karlsson traded to NYR, NYR retaining money and trading him to Tampa. For example. Something around that idea.
The third team who just retains money on a contract will reciece picks for that. That's all.


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2024 18:42:57
Good comment!

I think Necas will stay in Carolina, based on his age, which makes Guentzle the odd man out. As for swapping negotiation rights, I feel it's an advantage to both sides if team won't be able to come to terms and specific team needs. Basically it avoids free agent frenzy and missing out or being out bid for a players services.

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17 Jun 2024 12:33:48
Lol second trade won't happen Nils is a really good, young, RH defenceman. a hot commodity these days!

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17 Jun 2024 12:30:27
He might be top 5 in the season. what is in the playoffs? Toronto will have to pay to gain cap space. unless they can retain.

Secondly how is Vegas going to resign this guy.?

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17 Jun 2024 12:28:01
Why doesnt Ottawa take a look at DeSmith (UFA) and merzlikens (I think he's on the block) and use 1 draft pick on a guy like Hronek or something.

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17 Jun 2024 12:23:26
NJD definitely hold. Those players are really young and will be good players. It comes down this question:
Is it better to over pay for 1 really good player?

Or

Have slightly less talented players, but still play well with each other?

I think the 1 line toronto experiment is over. NJD say no.

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26 Aug 2019 13:56:50
Thanks for the help!

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19 Apr 2018 23:15:17
Typical sarcastic leafs fan.

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12 Apr 2018 17:46:19
Nolan because dorsett isn't playing anymore. IMO he was canucks toughness...

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