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24 Mar 2023 04:05:04
Not too sure about the value here, just wanted to try something completely new than what we see usually.

to PIT :
G - John Gibson

to ANA :
G - Thatcher Demko

to VAN :
rights to G Tristan Jarry
2023 1ST RD
D - Jan Rutta
RW - Alexander Nylander

Jarry's UFA rights aren’t much but it’s basically just a throw in to ensure they have a chance to replace Demko.
Jarry is 27 from BC, Demko is 27 from California and Gibson is 29 from Pittsburgh. All 3 goalies have been in trade spec for a bit.

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24 Mar 2023 14:50:36
This looks to be a pretty good trade. I like the hometown focus.

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24 Mar 2023 16:32:54
Interesting trade proposal. The Canuck shouldn't trade Demko as he's a good goalie who is only going to be better.
If the Canucks can sign Jarry to a reasonable, long term deal this trade makes a lot of sense and could happen.

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24 Mar 2023 20:28:16
Who’s giving the 1st round pick? I see no reason why Pitsburgh would swap Jarry for Gibson. He’s been awful for the past 4 seasons and Jarry is average as a starter. I think Demko has way more value then anything in this package and honestly I think at this point Gibson is in the Matt Murray in Pittsburgh situation ( former potential superstar who had a few amazing seasons that have faded away ) Demko has looked great since he got back from his injury.

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26 Mar 2023 09:41:22
I can’t see any of this happening.

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28 Mar 2023 18:26:56
I think it would cost more to move demko.

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17 Mar 2023 17:20:28
Mtl - harris-allen- 2nd pick 2023[almost a first)

Phi - hart

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17 Mar 2023 19:09:59
Easy no from MTL.

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17 Mar 2023 20:19:42
I usually agree with Chickenfoot but this time I think it is a fair trade.
I believe that Hart is going to be a very good player.
He was rushed into the NHL before he was ready and could be a top goalie if the Habs bring him along slowly.

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17 Mar 2023 21:12:35
Ya think so ChickenFoot? If Hart is available, I'd be in on this. I was gonna suggest at the draft Florida's 1st, straight up for Hart.

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18 Mar 2023 00:53:19
I appreciate you both Island Jet and Sosa…plus, it’s way more interesting to share a different take then just agree like sheep👍.

I respect both of your opinions and you may well be right. I definitely am not a fan of this trade, because I just don’t believe in Hart. But you may well be right.

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18 Mar 2023 03:03:04
For me, I look at the youth Montreal has. There is a really good group of kids 24 and younger, from the D to the Forwards, the one ingredient missing is a Goalie. Im not sold on Montembeault being this guy, and have given up on Primeau. I'm not sure about the other young guys in the system.
I know Hart was one of the most hyped up Goalies to come from the WHL since, well maybe Price. I haven't seen alot of him, I know he's had some really good moments as well as some really bad ones. I am hoping ( if he became a Canadien) that he can grow with the team and become the potential backbone in net that will be needed to one day compete for the Cup, if all goes well, say 5 years?
ChickenFoot, what are your concerns with Hart? Like I said, I haven't seen alot from him.

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18 Mar 2023 10:45:04
Well stated Sosa. I don’t like his game, consistency, and like you I feel like he’s overhyped. Would he have what it takes to survive playing in a Canadian market? I feel like we know who Hart is, so he’s not the prospect I’m looking for in net. That’s my two cents anyway. Good discussion fellas👍.

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19 Mar 2023 14:09:03
I wonder about the Panthers and Spencer Knight.
Goalies like Knight are typically untouchable, but Fla have Bob for another 3 yrs @ 10m per after this season (not trading him without significant retention), and Knight just signed an extension, 3 yrs @ 4.5m/ yr.
14.5m is a lot for a goalie tandem, and they have another pretty good goalie prospect in Guzda. That and Knight has spent most of this season in the Player Assistance Program.
One wonders if Zito might feel like moving on from Knight, and using him as a trade chip to shore up their d, which hasn’t been the same without Weegar. They don’t have much else to trade, and would likely be in on Parayko, Edmundson, or someone else if they had something to offer.
Certainly, the hope is Knight recovers, and when/ if he does, a number of teams (Mtl, Tor, Edm, among others) would probably make offers, were he available.
Zito has been very aggressive the past few seasons, and to sit still this deadline must’ve been exceedingly painful for him.

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19 Mar 2023 17:56:22
People can overcome substance abuse, but they are especially risky targets when it comes to trades.

I wish the best for the young man, but I’d be looking elsewhere.

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19 Mar 2023 18:45:45
I didn't realize Knight was in the Program. I do hope the kid can overcome this.
Montreal would not be a good place for him to resurrect his career. To much media, to many outside distractions ( not that Miami doesn't have those as well) .
Also, with the youth on Montreal, this could also be a bad thing for Knight. I know when I was in my 20's, and had a little money ( which these guys always do) . Was fun getting the boys together and off to the club or whatever. ( I don't know this guy, so I dont know what he likes to do obviously)

Burner89, im deffenitley not against this, as Knight is one of the best young goalies in the game, however just think there are better places for him in regards to his issues than Montreal.

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20 Mar 2023 02:11:32
@Chickenfoot, Sosa
Points taken.

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21 Mar 2023 14:42:58
Montreal has incredible pressure so playing in that market the player will have to have their mental health in order. Those mentioned are fine goaltenders but they would be better to find a tandem that has at least one young guy. They should not go for recycling from the herd of guys that move around.

My suggestion is keep Allen as the vet or trade for Jarry or even Lindgren then find a second year or third year guy like Toronto has in Woll. Only don’t go after Woll because he will be in the NHL next year. I am a leaf fan. It is important to the League to have the Habs back in the playoffs.

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16 Mar 2023 14:18:56
At the draft,

Canucks trade their next 3-1st round picks, plus this years 2-3rd round picks ,to whoever has the 1st overall pick.

Unless, of course, the Canucks win the 1st or 2nd overall pick, which is highly unlikely.

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16 Mar 2023 16:05:03
Rutherford might offer something like this. Guy is a wildcard.

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16 Mar 2023 18:15:24
If a team lands Bedard you don’t trade him. He’s is already debatably the biggest face ( popularity ) in hockey over McJesus and Crosby. This guy is all over social media. He becomes the face of your franchise then you build around him.

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16 Mar 2023 19:51:04
Definitely one of the more interesting posts I’ve seen here, kudos Renidrag 👍.

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17 Mar 2023 21:18:59
I'd want the Habs to so the same thing Renidrag, however, like VB said, I don't think that anyone would trade a guy like Bedard away.

I dont think they are gonna win the lottery, but I really hope that if Arizona was to win, he pulls a Lindros and refuses to sign with that train wreck of a franchise. I know I know. hes the kind of guy that could make this team possibly relevant, but enough is enough. just fold the damn franchise and let a whole new team get involved in a different city. New franchise,

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18 Mar 2023 14:44:02
If the Canucks want Bedard, they would have to try something like this, because they traded their own 2023 1st for Hronek, and the 1st they got for Horvat is top 12 protected. If I understand correctly, teams can only move up ten spots under the draft lottery rules. They must be pretty high on Hronek.

I agree with you guys, 1st overall is unlikely to be traded, but there might be some hefty offers made.

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18 Mar 2023 17:46:51
The Canucks did not trade there own 1st for Hronek.

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18 Mar 2023 18:21:31

The Canucks traded the Islanders 1st, that they got for Horvat.

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18 Mar 2023 18:35:19
Actually, scratch that.
It’s the Islander’s pick that the Canucks traded for Hronek, so they do have a shot at Bedard.

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18 Mar 2023 18:52:42
BURNER: like many observers, I have no idea what VCR are thinking with their contradictory moves. I definitely do not understand their trade for Hronek.

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18 Mar 2023 21:12:54
@vb, renidrag
Yeah, my mistake.

I think the Canucks are trying to retool, not necessarily rebuild. They are building around Pettersson, and appear to be looking for 24-25 yr old, team controlled players.
I heard a rumour that they may try to trade for Barbashev’s rights this summer to sign him long term.

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19 Mar 2023 01:35:02
Hronek is only 24 and RHD is there biggest need. Chances are that pick won’t be as good as Hronek.

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19 Mar 2023 15:36:25
I am a Leafs fan but would love to see Bedard in Canucks land. Home town boy, etc, etc.

It would be like McDavid coming to Toronto.

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21 Mar 2023 14:48:56
I would like to see Bedard in VCR and am also a Leafs fan. A package with Boeser, Demko, A first round pick or two, Miller and OEL should be sufficient?

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22 Mar 2023 12:15:35
Whoever gets the 1st pick is not trading it. Bedard is on a higher PPG production than McDavid was in his last year in the juniors and just topped 70 goals which is absolutely insane. Whoever drafts Bedard has a guy with a 100pts+ floor and a very high ceiling, and those players don't come around often.

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22 Mar 2023 12:18:19
The only way I could maybe see that pick being traded would be if the team that had the 2nd overall would trade it with a VERY VERY good young player. If VAN gets the 2nd, it would probably need to be something like Hughes and the 2nd overall for the team to pick first to consider it. Bedard is that good.

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24 Mar 2023 20:32:13
I’d definitely rather have Bedard then Quinn Hughes and Fantili. Quinn Hughes is a superstar but is probably the most flawed player in the NHL and Fantili looked like a make a wish player compared to Bedard at the world juniors. Like you said a 100 point floor is insane.

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15 Mar 2023 19:31:10
Arizona Trades
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023
2nd Round Pick 2024

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (AHL)(IR)
Der-Arguchintsev (AHL)

Trading for Matthews gives Arizona 2 extra years in the team long term, as they would have him next season plus the team owning his rights can sign him one extra year, NRobertson and Der-Arguchintsev aren't just a throw in as they have been on the same line both on The OHL and The AHL, and next season they both should be ready as full time NHLers.

Leafs will pull something like this at The Draft with Matthews NMC to kick in July 1 on an expiring contract, Arizona makes the most sense for not only Matthews going home like Tavares did in Toronto, but Cooley and Knies will stick together in Toronto, plus adding Crouse and Schmaltz and Draft Picks it's a very good deal for both teams and their needs.

Thoughts ?

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16 Mar 2023 00:47:44
How about you propose 10 more Arizona/ Mathew trades

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. ”-Albert Einstein.

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16 Mar 2023 14:43:54
All my proposals are different, the only thing that is the same is The Teams involved.
So when 2 GMs talk players for sometimes months are they considered insane?

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16 Mar 2023 18:23:15
Yes if you call up every day and offer a trade for a player that’s not available then yes that is insanity also if Mathews would hypothetically be interested in playing in Arizona why would Arizona trade for him when they are no where’s near competing ( Atleast 5 years away if you took McDavid and Mathews and added them to that pathetic roster ) why wouldn’t they just sign him as a UFA. Who in there right minds would give up anything for something they don’t need when they can get it for free a year later.

This makes zero sense for either team as it A doesn’t help the leafs win and B. Would just be dumb from the coyotes perspective.

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16 Mar 2023 19:55:55
I don’t think the Habs will trade a big package for Dubois, and I don’t think the Coyotes will trade large for Matthews.

Neither ARI or MTL are going to be competitive next year, so I think they’ll be happy to wait a year, sign their guy, and keep their assets.

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16 Mar 2023 20:03:37
No. Just you.

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16 Mar 2023 21:30:03
Woah Chickenfoot with a not so ridiculous take. I must be in the twilight zone.

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17 Mar 2023 14:03:03
Hey VB: will you be replying to more non-existent Moxnix messages today? Elvis perhaps?

Don’t break your meds in half…you definitely need the full dose.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day everyone ☘️.

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22 Mar 2023 23:04:17
Trades like this are nice, but any team who truly wants to be a legit contender needs a goalie.

I said it before, and I’ll say it again: Dubas didn’t get a goalie. This win one/ lose one streak the leafs are on is proof of that, especially the 7 the Isles pumped on Samsonov.

VB: aren’t you glad you didn’t wager your Mom’s house in those imaginary trades you were offering? (The new owners probably wouldn’t let you live in her basement. )

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13 Mar 2023 15:01:26
At The Draft.

Arizona Trades
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023

Toronto Trades

I have posted a similar type of Matthews trade proposal with Arizona, but think if it happens it won't have so many moving parts and really just a Matthews alone in a proposal.

Arizona makes the most sense compared to any other team, Matthews in Arizona gives them the franchise saviour, Matthews can never hurt The Leafs being in a different division.

July 1 Matthews NMC kicks in and he will be on an expiring contract, no way will Matthews be unsigned July 1 and not traded before, it would be too risky hoping he re-signs, I almost believe Dubas knows now Matthews will be traded at The Draft with what he did trading for so much for the last kick of the can with Matthews a Leaf.

You're Arizona and this type of proposal is wanted by Toronto to get Matthews, I believe Armstrong from his situation would agree giving up this package.

Looking forward to The Playoffs but the business part of the offseason I believe starts at The Draft, and besides Matthews I see Karlsson traded also, plus Philadelphia will be very active also, I predict one of the biggest draft days ever including Bedard part of it all.

Thoughts ?

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13 Mar 2023 21:19:34
(Sigh) Another day, another pinball trade re Matthews to Arizona.

@pinball. How many days is this, anyway?
I’m going to assume that you aren’t doing this just to yank everyone’s chains and ask again, Why would the Coyotes do this?

You said so he can save the franchise. How? By helping them sell out a 5000 seat arena for the next 3 years? While they are paying him 12, 13, or 14m/ yr? This, when they have already been doing everything possible to cut costs?
By the time they get into their new, nhl standard arena (assuming it is approved), Matthews will be be 28-29 yrs old, and well into his next contract.
If they are banking on a trade like this to “save the franchise” now, then things are far worse than they look.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only rumours I’ve heard connecting Matthews to AZ are ones suggesting that he’ll simply go there as a ufa because he is from there. If that is remotely true, WHY would AZ gut their team and future to trade for him now if they can just sign him later? And, sign him closer to the time that their new arena is actually ready, and when their competitive window is hopefully starting to open?

For your Matthews to AZ post tomorrow, please include in your rationale that their gm is bent on career suicide, and/ or that their owner is another maverick that likes to do things simply because everyone else says they make no sense.

Chances are the Leafs will try to keep Matthews, and trade someone else (Nylander? ) to recoup for the future. But teams are recognizing more and more what a setback it is when their star players simply dump them for greener pastures.

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13 Mar 2023 22:33:31
You forgot to include Knies because he is from there also. Leafs get to pick any combination of first round picks and players equaling six and get to send anyone they want with Matthews and Knies.

Makes as much sense as what has been suggested.

If Dubas is retained the big three get resigned for another five years each. If not then Matthews signing will drag on. Willy is looking at ten million also.

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13 Mar 2023 23:16:28
Nope, AZ is already surviving on league tv revenue, and will continue to do so until the arena is built, again, assuming the referendum is successful.
They aren’t worried about selling out the Mullet arena.
The long-view diehards and visiting team fans are gravy at this point.

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13 Mar 2023 23:34:12
Since you must not understand why Matthews helps Arizona huge, I will explain it to you.

TV deals and exposer goes up (Money) .
Arizona Matthews Jerseys bring in revenue.
The Team value goes up.
Arizona is better right away having him on the team.

Arizona I believe will push hard for Matthews "IF" Toronto decides to trade him, which I believe will happen at The Draft if he is still unsigned long term by then.

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14 Mar 2023 02:10:15
And I’m telling you that AZ can get Matthews ONE YEAR LATER AS A UFA, WITHOUT setting their team back 5+ years with these trades you are dreaming up.
Like I said, AZ will be just fine with league tv revenue until then.

I’m not the first one on this site to point this out to you, but you aren’t listening.

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14 Mar 2023 03:00:31
Leafs are not trading Knies!
The only reason Toronto would consider trading Matthews before July 1 is only because if he isn't signed, he could and just might walk as an UFA and The Leafs can't trade him after July 1.
It's more a situation they will be forced to do, I would rather keep Matthews but Matthews holds all the cards starting July 1, Knies is a prospect you don't trade.

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14 Mar 2023 04:10:04
Burner - excellent points. Matthews will likely end up in the desert, but certainly not for a generous trade.

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14 Mar 2023 06:31:00
Matthews wanna win, he s gonna sign on the west coast but in anaheim, good young core.

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14 Mar 2023 16:53:08
You are still doubting what Dubas can pull off?
Arizona get's an extra year in signing him long term which also lowers his Cap hit being traded to the desert, plus having him next season.
Armstrong will offer a lot for Matthews if he is traded, and Dubas will take advantage of that imo.

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14 Mar 2023 18:26:25
Hey Pinball, in a word, yes. I doubt Dubas will be the one to make the decision on Matthews' future, and that of the team. I suspect there are big changes coming for your team, but then again, I would have expected Dubas to be gone in each of the last 2 summers too.

If the leafs are out in the first round, there is no way he can return as GM. Even if they win a round that wouldn't save your job in any other market, but MLSE isn't particularly "results oriented", so who knows?

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14 Mar 2023 18:38:59
In reference to Matthews, I love how "exposure" was misspelled "exposer" above.

Matthews was charged in 2019 for being an "exposer" for what he did to a female security guard in Arizona:

Matthews article

If you're a fan of irony, you have to see the humour in that. : )

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14 Mar 2023 18:55:17
Like I said dumb Mathews won’t be traded when was the last playoff team that traded there best player ( not sold ) it has never happened and never will. Just dumb and pointless to talk about. Also Arizona is losing 30 million dollars a year. No way can they afford to pay Mathews 11 million.

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14 Mar 2023 20:11:26
This year's team isn't the past ones, this is a solid deep team and once Knies is on this team even better, you are assuming they won't do anything in this upcoming playoffs, this time they are built for the playoffs.
And that's why Dubas will be running the show at The Draft and beyond, and Matthews will be traded "by Dubas" at The Draft if he isn't resigned by than.
My prediction, been right so far.

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15 Mar 2023 12:38:54
PINBALL: we will see. Are you really that confident in your goaltending? The numbers don't support that, but I'm curious what your comfort level is on a scale of 1-10.

VB: why are you calling Matthews "dumb" above? He seems like an intelligent person.

You are going to absolutely melt down when Matthews inevitably says "he loves Toronto, but I would like to test the market via Free Agency to see what is out there before I consider where I'm going to sign. I love Toronto and the fans but. " (Otherwise known as, "I'm signing elsewhere, so you better trade me for something to recoup some value". )

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15 Mar 2023 13:54:25
Wayne Gretzky traded after winning The Stanley Cup.
Any Player can be traded, maybe you are too young or weren't even born at that time, but yes it has happened.
Still think this will be maybe the busiest NHL Draft Day in history, as Philly is about to blow it up with their roster, Erik Karlsson etc.
Besides Matthews.

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15 Mar 2023 19:34:24
PINBALL: I think you’re bang-on with Draft Trading activity this June. It will be interesting to see all the movement.

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15 Mar 2023 20:23:53
Wayne Gretzky was never traded he was sold because the owner was in debt to the point where he could’ve potentially been homeless if he hadn’t have made that trade. It saved him from Bankruptcy.

@moxnix- if he comes out and says tomorrow “I hate Toronto, the staff and all of the fans. I’ll be heading to new team when my contract runs out. ” Then the leafs will simply hold him for another year and attempt another playoff run. Guarantee he won’t be traded.

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16 Mar 2023 14:05:48

- Moxnix hasn't been here in forever. but you keep addressing him as if you're responding to him. What is up with THAT?

- Gretzky was traded. fact. Of course Pocklington needed the money, but there were assets traded each way. Everyone knows it was a trade. It's only you who is to stubborn to admit it because it means you wer wrong. again. You're making a fool of yourself.

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16 Mar 2023 15:55:30
He's not going to get traded to Arizona at the draft. Why would Arizona mortgage their future for him when they can sign him the following offseason. Makes zero sense. But I don't even think Arizona is where he signs. He may be from there, but he has a certain lifestyle now that screams big city. He either stays in Toronto or he's heading west to the big city of LA.

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16 Mar 2023 18:27:02
LA wouldn’t make sense they have Kopitar, Danault, Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte, Thomas, Madden down the middle.

I don’t think Arizona makes sense either for what you said. I think if he leaves Dallas, Carolina or Miami is where he goes as a UFA not via trade.

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17 Mar 2023 00:48:55
@vbbbvvbb so? Guarantee LA would prefer Matthews over everyone of them. All of those guys can be moved for winger depth or be moved to the wing themselves with the exception of Kopitar. Only other place I see is one of the Florida teams because he wouldn't get taxed on that salary if I'm not mistaken.

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18 Mar 2023 17:49:09
Mostly saying LA doesn’t make sense because they have huge Money allocated to Kopitar and Doughty. Just don’t think Mathews is worth the cap space they’d spend on him compared to the other suggested teams.

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12 Mar 2023 12:01:35
Tor: Austin Matthews

Ana: John Gibson, Adam Henrique, Mason Mctavish, 2023 1st (lottery protected, becomes 2024 1st unprotected if cond. met), 2023 2nd

If Matthews won't commit, Leafs decide they can't lose him for nothing as UFA, and deal him to western conference team before his nmc kicks in. This pkg provides quality futures while allowing Leafs to remain competitive.
Would Matthews sign long term in Southern Cal for Mackinnon money? Why not?

Leafs would want Zegras, but that may be non-starter for Ducks, especially if Matthews is unsigned, so then it becomes Ducks outbidding other teams with a pkg like above. But, since Matthews is a superstar, what do the Kings, Sharks, Preds, Blues, and Hawks offer?

A scenario like this could potentially play out this offseason, rather than AZ as they seem to have too many loose ends to take on a player like Matthews right now.

Other teams have quality pending ufa's too.
What other offseason trades might we see?

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12 Mar 2023 15:33:04
Mathews won’t be traded. I’d bet my house on it.

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13 Mar 2023 11:14:04
If he doesn't agree to extend, they would be stupid to keep him. They need assurances from him he is staying otherwise let the league know he is available.

On the trade, keep Gibson and Henrique. Would rather young players. Mactavish, Terry and one of there young d prospects would be a start.

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13 Mar 2023 12:30:34
can't see Anaheim giving up this much.

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13 Mar 2023 12:54:25
Then he is used as a rental for the leafs and leaves as a UFA. I’m willing to bet anything just name a price.

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13 Mar 2023 14:07:11
Vb, if you let an asset like Matthews just walk that cripples organizations. Very poor asset management. Balsam, a player like Matthews would command alot. I was using that as an example. Some teams would pay a ton for a chance at him.

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13 Mar 2023 16:24:42
Main thing I had in mind besides futures was Leafs addressing their net. Ie: they could face Vasilevskiy in the upcoming first round and they would be clearly overmatched in that phase of the game. Gibson is one of the few true #1 goalies rumoured to be available. Henrique is underrated. But yeah, younger is preferred in the nhl.

Matthews is a big #1C that can score 60 goals. ‘Nuff said.

Keep your shirt on.
Can’t speak for everyone, but all I’m doing is presenting interesting speculation, and certainly not guaranteeing anything.
What I can tell you is that if there’s anything Leafs and their fans might fear more than not winning the cup, it’s the years of desolation that have followed mismanagement, such as perennially trading away top picks/ prospects and letting stars age with ntc’s or walk for nothing. Yes, their arena will still be full, but, as history shows, the angst and irrelevance becomes the mark of the franchise.

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13 Mar 2023 18:22:13
Not saying trading mathews opposed to letting him walk as a UFA wouldn’t be good asset management but I am saying there is absolutely zero chance he is traded so the discussion is moot. Dubas will be back next year with the same core 1st round exit or not. That I can promise.

I don’t think that’s interesting speculation at all interesting speculation would be the leafs signing a player like Nyquist in the offseason and trading for a player like Braydon Schenn because that’s realistic. Not trading Mathews, Nylander, etc.

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13 Mar 2023 20:59:38
Vb, I never said they are trading Matthew's. I said if they dont get any assurances from Matthews, they are committing organizational suicide by not trading him. If he walks and they get nothing back consider them toast.

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13 Mar 2023 21:01:20
And Vb, Gibson hasn't been considered a bonafide number one for a few years now. Is it a product of the team he plays for? Maybe, but maybe not.

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13 Mar 2023 21:06:48
but what happens if he doesn't negotiate during the season. then bails. like Tavares did to the Isles? tough to gauge that situation.

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13 Mar 2023 23:25:05
Silence, or “Maybe” or “I don’t know” is still no. A signature on an extension means yes.

Ok, feel free to post such realistic trades.
But, having said that, don’t stop commenting on other’s posts. It isn’t real theatre without a peanut section.

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14 Mar 2023 00:08:49
If he leaves the leafs will not have to relocate/ fold it is not organizational suicide. Like Tavares leaving the islanders they will just allocate money elsewhere.

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14 Mar 2023 11:57:31
Get ready for an extended period of leaf drama about will he or won't he. (Ditto for Nylander. )

Matthews is getting excellent advice from his agent. Not taking max term and becoming a free agent before he hits his prime was a shrewd move. Matthews wisely bet on himself, and that bet is about to pay off handsomely.

Matthews won't forego the chance to hit the market as a UFA. He will knock it out of the park rather than accept a sign and trade, or simply re-sign with the leafs. He will hit the open market unencumbered. This will also impact any trade return the leafs get for trading him. Anyone who trades for him will realize they're getting a one-year guarantee of service and no more.

What top contender could fit Matthews' salary in their lineup next year? It will be interesting to see what happens there.

As for Matthews, he will make a precedent setting deal as a UFA, likey at a shorter term in my humble estimation, so that he can sign one more big deal before the end of his career. He won't be giving any discounts like Crosby did to help a team build a better supporting cast. I don't get the sense that winning is what drives him. I think he'll pile up the points and get paid handsomely for it for as long as he plays, and play a lot of golf each spring like he always has.

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09 Mar 2023 12:52:16
Arizona Trades
Cooley (Big-10)
Guenther (WHL)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (AHL)(IR)

I truly believe Armstrong will trade the farm to get Matthews and overpay him long term to be a Coyote for the rest of his career.
Arizona is in a different position than Toronto that Matthews would save the team staying in Arizona, just like players like Mario Lemieux did saving Pittsburgh from moving to another city, if Arizona doesn't pull this move I see Matthews signing somewhere else.

The Leafs are at a point that making a trade like this will keep them a Top Team for years to come, adding 2 NHL Forwards in Crouse and Schmaltz, 2 Top Prospects in Cooley and Guenther plus probably a Top 15 1st Rounder in a deep draft, and adding a 3rd Rounder they traded getting LSchenn back only is a positive move going forward, some people might not like this type of trade if you are a Leaf fan, but it would be a very smart trade to make from The Leafs side of it.

Thoughts ?

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09 Mar 2023 13:08:49
Why do you come on this site and continue to post the most ridiculous things. As long as the leafs are selling tickets they are happy. If Mathews leaves then it’ll be as a UFA this is goofy. Arizona also can’t afford him. Their internal budget is only 60 million. They can’t afford to pay to the cap celling ( hence them acquiring backloaded contracts)

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09 Mar 2023 14:26:11
What seems ridiculous to you doesn't mean it's fact.
I know how The NHL works including how it works in Toronto.
If The Leafs are the worst team in the league they still sellout every game, been like that from the start in Toronto, in Toronto it's about winning not selling tickets.
Arizona is in a complete different situation and need a name player like Matthews (from Arizona) to save the franchise from moving.
When you understand how the politics of The NHL works which by your comment tells me you don't, then you will get why a proposal like this could and I believe will happen at The Draft, article's circulating today confirmed my insite also saying don't be surprised if Toronto trades Matthews.

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09 Mar 2023 16:08:51
BRA-VO Pinball. Well said!

VB: you continue to embarrass yourself with every heated/ condescending post you make.

You haven't taught anyone on this page anything except that poor spelling and rambling writing usually is a strong indicator of instability and limited intellect.

You'd think you'd try being more humble when you are wrong as often as you are. (The funniest example was when you were so heated about what Jessy Pulijuarvi's nickname was. and YOU were the one that was wrong. We didn't hear from you for days after that one! )

: )

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10 Mar 2023 11:04:21
i agree Arizona may be limited in budget, but then I also can't see Bettman ever letting them move. maybe he will use league money to pay. also, you made an error. leafs have always been about selling tickets and bottom line. never been about winning. you said it yourself. even when they lose the seats are full.

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10 Mar 2023 13:05:51
In the past especially The Ballard years it was about selling seats, and Ballard knew no matter how bad the team was he sold out.
Now it's about winning not selling seats as they sellout every game.

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10 Mar 2023 16:54:51
Right now, any speculation regarding a Matthews trade to AZ, is beyond Tolkien-esque fantasy.

a) I ask why, WHY would the Coyotes give up so much to trade for a player that rumours say is going there as a free agent anyway? Although, much would have to change before Matthews would even want to join that circus.

b) Word is, even Bettman is running out of patience with the years of repudiation by local government. This May, Tempe, AZ public will vote on an arena deal there, and no one knows how that will go. Even if it does go through, an arena takes years to build. If no, say hello to the Houston Coyotes.
In the meantime, the team is doing everything it can to alienate its fans and players with it’s nickling and diming. Even in that barely-AHL-standard arena, they play second fiddle to the Sun Devils.

And now, a paradigm 180 to sell the farm for Matthews and pay him almost 12m next season? Can’t see it.
Maybe there is a method to all this madness, but would Bedard even want to join that circus the way it is now?
True, things can change, but if precedence means anything….

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10 Mar 2023 18:07:20
Meant to add that, yes, if the Leafs don’t have success this postseason, everything will be on the table in the offseason. Historically, teams try to resign their superstars, but the Leafs can’t do anything wrong in that market with its 20 year wait list for season tickets.

Signing Matthews as a free agent in 2024 could be icing on the cake for the Coyotes, but as of now, they don’t even have a kitchen.
Trading for him this offseason would be preposterous. They don’t need Matthews to keep the team in AZ, they need an arena first.

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12 Mar 2023 20:44:11
It sounds like the NHL has the commitment from Arizona to move forward. The NHL has moved towards bigger USA media markets and growing the game down south. There are still a couple potential sites like Houston and San Francisco but Quebec is waiting.

The Leafs don’t need more money. They want the prestige of winning. In the last thirty years Toronto has won all the major and lessor championships except the Stanley Cup. They want to be the city of champions. Can’t do that without winning the Cup.

If anyone believes the Leafs don’t care about winning just think about how Shanahan competes. He isn’t in this to look good. They have the premier organization from top to bottom but need the last big accomplishment.

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12 Mar 2023 21:58:34
Shanahan was an inexperienced Team President who hired in the wrong order, among other rookie blunders.

You are a leaf fan which explains how you can say they have the premier organization, etc. Obviously that isn’t true. It’s a house of cards based on shoddy drafting and development, and trading futures to plug holes that properly run organization could have addressed.

Next year is when the next rebuild starts. With no cap space to keep the team together, and no organizational depth to replace departing talent, the leafs have failed every organizational challenge that top organizations get right. They hired the wrong people, and most importantly, failed to adjust their plan despite overwhelming evidence it couldn’t succeed.

They will have to clear out the entire Management team who so thoroughly failed to turn a rebuild around a generational talent like Matthews.

I hope for the sake of my leaf fan buddies they hire quality hockey people with experience so that they give themselves every chance to get the next rebuild right.

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13 Mar 2023 12:59:28
You’re totally wrong no one will get fired or key players be traded in the off-season the leafs will run the same team with players like Knies, Hirovinen, Robertson, Niemela making the nhl as full time NHL players ready or not and the same results will happen next year. The leafs are selling out every game so why would they change anything.

Anyway if you’d like to put money down on this let me know.

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13 Mar 2023 22:28:53
Your offer of putting money down, repeated twice today, is a meaningless statement. An empty gesture that mean’s absolutely zip. (You probably can’t comprehend the difference between the virtual world and the real world, but there’s no way to wager in a virtual forum. )

Instead of wagering I will be happy to congratulate you next Season if you are right. However, if I am right, I expect no such gesture from you. I don’t think you have it in you. You’ll be melting down like an ice cream on a hot sidewalk in August. 😄

I think the next few months will be a huge surprise for you and you alone, but we’ll see👍.

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13 Mar 2023 22:57:32
The team is in the top five and may post the best record ever for the Leafs again. It is the premier organization. Just because you disagree with what they have done doesn’t mean you are right. Shanahan transitioned the team from Burke to Lou to Dubas. Dubas is so far ahead of the curve that he would immediately be hired by another team if not rehired.

The team has one of the best collection of offensive players in the league. They have excellent special teams and are in the top quarter in the league in most defensive categories.

The prospect pool is above average considering the position they have been drafting in. It is even better when you consider the traded draft picks. Compare that to Tampa and Boston.

If you don’t think this rebuild was done right you are mistaken. This team was rebuilt right. Edmonton has been rebuilding for ten years and still haven’t got it right but they have an easier path to the cup than any team in the east.

You talk about how the Leafs haven’t done it right but don’t suggest what should have been done different. I disagreed with trading Kadri and not signing Hyman but I understand the thinking.

Pretty good team for one in a botched rebuild.

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14 Mar 2023 04:28:33
The only thing that matters is playoffs. No one remembers a playoff meltdown and says, “yeah, but their regular season was outstanding! ”

This team is bound for a retool at the least, but most likely a rebuild, after failing to win ONE playoff series. ONE!

When you wrote “it’s even better when you consider the traded draft picks”, you came across like a fully brainwashed cult member. You have truly guzzled the Kool-Aid!

Comparing your team to Cup winners like Tampa and Boston is just…embarrassing. You and VB are in for a rough summer and a long rebuild, but hey, if you’re happy without winning playoff series, power to you! I guess you won’t be shocked this spring after all🙄.

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14 Mar 2023 12:19:53
- leafs have 74.4M committed to 14 players next season.
- 9M cap space left to sign 9 roster players.
- in the next 3 years the leafs have 4 (FOUR) total draft picks left in the first 3 rounds.
- Matthews & Nylander will be in their last year of their deals. and where will they be playing?
- with 11 UFAs and 2 RFAs this lineup will look vastly different.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: how the leafs made all those deadline deals without getting a goalie is a HUGE mistake. Murray is 56th in Save% & 46th in GAA, and is a mere shell of himself.

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14 Mar 2023 19:10:46
@crafwford this guy hasn’t had a single take correct once he just trolls then gets angry and rambles about nonsense. Save your time and don’t reply unless you find it entertaining as I do. Him and the set of Calgary fans live in this dream world and team up with the craziest takes and it’s actually hilarious.

@MoxNix once again you are absolutely wrong a email/ text message can be used as a legally binding agreement in the court of law if clearly agreed upon. One interesting case that I studied for school which is local to New Brunswick one person said he’d sell a car to another person over text ( the other agreed ) then he changed his mind and decided to keep it. He was brought to court and was forced to Sell the car. ( so a Text is a legally binding contract)

Also I’d be willing to bet 5000 dollars Mathews isn’t traded by the end of his contract I could hypothetically draft a document on docusign and then send it to you via email. That’d make it a legally binding enforceable contract.

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14 Mar 2023 19:12:29
@chickenfoot also you bring up Murrays stats then fail to bring up Samsonovs stats who is playing better then Carey Price in most seasons.

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15 Mar 2023 14:48:30

- Moxnix hasn't been on this site for MONTHS. and you're replying to him as if he posted today? Did you mix up your meds today or something? That was weird! (There's no shame in asking for help. )

- Texts, Emails & Contract Law: this is a sports forum/ web page.
It's not an email or a text. Does this confuse you? (Love the attempted citing of contract law though - that was HILARIOUS! I'm guessing your local Clerk's Office would have a hard time registering the legal action of "VB vs Fellow Poster on nhl-trade-rumors. com)

- I like how you've now added a dollar figure to your meaningless, unenforcable wager. Your attempts to be taken seriously are even more unhinged than usual. (Are we going to start posting banking information on this page to facilitate transactions? What could go wrong? )

- Samsonov vs. PRICE? SERIOUSLY: Facts & stats aren't debatable, so here's their career stats compared. (I'm pretty sure you're the only person who ever wanted a comparison of the two, but what the heck. I had some time to kill making connections today:)

Career Regular Season Stats:

PRICE: 361-261 W/ L, 49 Shutouts, 2.51 Avg, .917 Sv%
SAMSONOV: 75-30 W/ L, 9 Shutouts, 2.70 Avg, .906 Sv%

Career Playoff Stats:

PRICE: 43-45 W/ L, 8 Shutouts, 2.39 Avg, .919 Sv%
SAMSONOV: 1-6 W/ L, 0 Shutouts, 2.98 Avg, .907 Sv%

Why ANYONE would want to compare Samsonov vs Price is. hilarious! As I said before, one of us is going to be awfully surprised this Spring/ Summer. Time always tells the truth, and while I'm not one to bluster about "I was right about this or that", I will make a special exception for you when the time comes.

Thanks for the laughs. you never disappoint.

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08 Mar 2023 15:34:57
At The Draft.

Arizona Trades
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)

Toronto Trades
NRobertson (AHL)(IR)

From July 1 on Matthews has a NMC in his contract so if they plan on trading Matthews it would have to be at The Draft, NRobertson has been injured but should be ready to go for The 23/24 Season, Arizona has wanted Matthews since he was Drafted and this is there best chance as signing him long term after next season, they wait until his possible UFA status I believe Toronto would sign him long term.

Leafs no matter how the upcoming playoffs go are at a position that if they use one of there Top 4 assets, they would be able to retool some and be better overall doing something like my proposal, Cooley would be playing with his College Winger in Knies, Schmaltz is no Matthews but a solid #2 Centre, and Crouse is the big Winger every Team wants and needs, add a higher Draft Pick in this proposal gives Toronto another good prospect for the future.

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