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09 Mar 2017 14:12:22
Calgary Trades
Tkachuk

Toronto Trades
WNylander
Leivo
ANielsen (AHL)

Thoughts ?

Pinball

1.) 09 Mar 2017 15:18:09
Nope.
Marner for Tkachuk + 5th.


2.) 09 Mar 2017 15:35:50
Leafs are not trading Marner #Fair Trade4all.
I proposed a very fair trade, WNylander will fit in nice with Gaudreau and Monahan, Leivo playing every game on a line with MBacklund and Frolik will in my guess be in the 25 goal and 50 to 60 point range, and ANielsen is a very good Prospect and Calgary needs DMan prospects.
The Leafs are at a stage where they can make a 3 for 1 deal like this.
Tkachuk is what they need and Kapanen will take WNylander's spot playing with Komarov and Kadri, its a good trade for both teams.


3.) 09 Mar 2017 16:13:47
Marner has way more value than tkachuk.


4.) 09 Mar 2017 16:22:39
Mclarty08 no he doesn't. They have about equal value. Tell me why Marner has "way more value"


5.) 09 Mar 2017 19:12:27
Marner can drive a play and Carry a line. Tkachuk can score but he can't carry a line. Think of last year in London Marner made there team every time he stepped on the ice he made a difference. Tkachuk wasn't even in the same league as marner he just fed off of marner and Dvorak all season. Marner is a tier above Tkachuk. Tkachuk Is on the same level as Nylander IMO but tkachuk will benefit by playing in the western conference. Also marner has 10 More points in less games played.


6.) 09 Mar 2017 19:46:20
Pinball and McIarty
Blue n white bias shows it's ugly head.

Sorry, Calgary won't be trading Tkachuk unless it's Marner coming back. Not 3 for 1's. Not for soft concussion boy Nylander + either. Maybe for Matthews? But not for anyone else on your team but those 2.

Marner and Tkachuk are EQUAL VALUE PLAYERS. One has more finesse and no physical play, one is tougher has more grit anin your face physical play. I value them as equal with perhaps maybe even a little edge to Tkachuk for being a year younger. There was absolutely 0 difference between the 3 players on the Knights first line squad that played the Memorial cup in Red Deer.


7.) 09 Mar 2017 19:47:50
To say Tkachuk and Marner are the same is stupidity. Marner drive his line in London and is doing so in Toronto. Tkachuk is going to be a good 50-60 point guy, but Marner will be at 65-80.


8.) 09 Mar 2017 20:05:49
Granted Marner is a more gifted play maker and point producer. However Tkachuk bring some much more to the table. Here are my reasons:
- Brings a physical presence and grit
- Younger (Almost a year)
- Bigger
- Better possession stats
- Better defensively
They are 2 very different players and it is not fair to just measure by points. Because Tkachuk bring much more than points I would say they have about equal value. Also Tkachuk >> Nylander.


9.) 09 Mar 2017 20:41:05
TopShelf
Stop with the London Knights. That doesn't matter any more. Also how can you say he will be a 50-60 point guy when he could very possibly break 50 points in his rookie season as an 18 year old?
So far no one has backed up why Marner is better than Tkachuk with facts or even logic.


10.) 09 Mar 2017 21:15:10
Well, here are some facts for you:

Mitch Marner: 15 goals and 37 assists for 52 points in 60 games

Matthew Tkachuk: 12 goals and 30 assists for 42 points in 62 games.

Marner has more goals, more assists, and about 25% more points than Tkachuk in two fewer games played.

Now, go ahead, use arbitrary measures like "toughness", "grit", and "potential" to tell me how they're at the very least equal right after asking for objective facts.


11.) 09 Mar 2017 21:34:53
It's not that often. Mark it on the calendar.
But looks like Xcing and I are on the same page for this topic.

The players worth is not always how many points he can get.

Intangibles count as well.
Tkachuk has this edge and pisses off star players to get them off their game. Tkachuk will probably stay healthy and stay in the lineup longer than Marner. Marner doesn't take as many bad penalties (and doesn't draw as many either. ) The players equal out even though they have completely different styles of play and different skill sets.


12.) 09 Mar 2017 22:00:13
Ok Shankar Marner wins points.
Now some stats for you:
Hits: Tkachuk wins
Blocks: Marner wins
+/ -: Tkachuk (12 vs -6)
Take away vs give away %: Tkachuk
Age: Tkachuk (220 day school younger)
CF%: Tkachuk
FF%: Tkachuk
Defensive zone starts: Tkachuk (over 65% as opposed to under 45% which is Marner)
These are all tangibles. As I said before Marner is a better point producer but statistically Tkachuk is more well rounded. And go ahead and tell me that Tkachuk doesn't bring grit and a hard nosed game. Leaf fans preach how great Kadri's game is and Tkachuk plays a similar game so please tell me why Marner > Tkachuk. (P. S. Points aren't everything) .


13.) 09 Mar 2017 22:46:00
Sure, they're tangible, but a lot of them are open to criticism or alternate interpretation, while the ones I provided aren't.

Hits are at the discretion of the official scorer. Anyway, what do hits matter? This isn't the 70s.

Blocks don't matter much either. Look at Kris "Block King" Russell, he had to wait a long time to get a job last Summer, didn't he.

+/ - is less than useless and using it in any argument does nothing but discredit the argument.

220 days is nothing. they've both lived about 7000.

What's their difference between the two in those two measures? Is it anything of significance? (legitimate question, you looked it up already and I don't feel like it)


14.) 09 Mar 2017 22:51:14
Also, go ahead and tell me Marner doesn't play with grit and toughness. Seriously, go ahead, I don't care because you're wrong for one, and because it's something that the impact of can't be accurately measured, so arguing it is basically useless.


15.) 09 Mar 2017 23:18:44
Ok you know what I give in points are everything. If you have points than someone else then you are better. Panarin > Tarasenko
Marchand = Kane
Carter > Bergeron, Kopitar, and Tavares
Scheifle > Eichel
Kadri > Toews
Backlund > O'Rielly
Since points are the only real stat and anything that can't be measured doesn't count then this accurately depicts what you are saying. See how idiotic this looks? No you probably don't because this is exactly the point you are trying to make.


16.) 09 Mar 2017 23:23:02
Marner is a faster skater, Smarter player, way better play maker, Better shot and has way better hands.

Tkachuk is more physical but worse at everything I just said. ( The physical aspect of the game is almost obsolete )

While Tkachuk is more physical marner still backchecks and goes in the corners.

Marner is by far the more supirior player this is like comparing Patty Kane to Rick Nash there not even in the same level.


17.) 10 Mar 2017 00:06:59
This seriously has to be one of the most leaf biased comment sections ever. Holay!

Come on. I watched both Marner and Tkachuk in the Flames vs Leafs game. Tkachuk is good, but he is not on the same level as Marner. Intangibles like hits and blocks are pointless. What do you want, I'll give you Matt Martin, he beats both of them in the hits department. All I'm trying to say is this. Marner has a higher ceiling that Tkachuk, and that has to be seen by now. I'm not say Tkachuk isn't going to be good, i'm saying that in the long run, I'd rather have the player that can socre the clutch goal than lay the big hit. Cause Marner, for his size, he goes into the corners, he does the dirty work, hell, he even gets deflection goals because he was screening the goalie. If anyone here has who is bashing Marner actually WATCHED a leaf game, go ahead an tell me that his compete level isn't there. He is far and away the most competitive player on the team, and he isn't scared to do things that he shouldn't.

This (imo) is like comparing a Johnny Gaudreau/ lesser Patrick Kane to a Brad Marchand type. Brads good, but I'd still take a Johnny or a kane over him.


18.) 10 Mar 2017 00:09:49
Also, @xcing, you just compared Tkachuk to Kadri, which imo is pretty fair (Kadri has been reallly good this year fyi), and that's pretty fair.

But on the leafs, Marner is still >> Kadri.


19.) 10 Mar 2017 00:28:05
Sorry for the long response

haha you guys are comparing +/ - and corsi for marner and tkuchuk. Marner is playing on a line with the two worst possesion, +/ - and shooting differrencial players over the past three years in bozak and jvr. And you know what? he has run that line and has improved the that line ten fold, i'm honestly supprised marner is only a -6 playing on that line haha. also when comparing players who cares about +/ - completely useless stat unless that player is -20 then you know something is up. Hell everyone says Gardiner is the crappiest defending defender out there and he is a +23 this year, so get stuffed.

and bringing up age, come on man, that's like comparing crosby and ovie (who is a year older) when they were kids, i know its completely different level both having 100+ point rookie seasons and all, but no one cared about their ages, that wasnt the argument people used to see who whad more value or ho was better. even laine vs matthews, matthews is about more than half a year older, and they are both wrecking the league, honestly that use of "age" is useless in comparing players under 20, especially if the number is under a year difference. its different if you compare tkuchuk to panarins first year lol who was 24.

I believe Tkuckuk will definitely be a top line winger much like in the ilk of that marchand, but I believe marner will be a superstar who will be racing for spot of top point getter every year much like patrick kane. ALSO Marner will be on the pentaly kill next year, he has killed penalties at every level of his career, so you can't bang him for weak defence, its just hard when your line mates are useless in their own zone. and really? come on you're bringing up hits in this day and age? where hits have been proven to be a sign of having less possession. If hits are important wouldn't polak and martin be at the tp of your list of great players? the important stat is of hits seperating puck from player, even though tkuchuk most likely has more of those anyways.

So as I have shown above let's compare these two with the players i have compared them too. Marchand and kane. I think they can both be better overall than both of them, however i don't know if tkuchuk will ever have the year marchand is having now and I am not confident Marner will ever have a 100 pt season seeing how the game is progressing.

You'd still take a marchand over a kane?

I wouldnt. but anyways that's what i think, and if you take that as me putting down tkuchuk then you're mistaken.


20.) 10 Mar 2017 02:02:08
Since when do hits not matter? Lol hitting is a pretty big part of the game man.


21.) 10 Mar 2017 02:48:15
Shankar your us all on point but this time your dead wrong. Marner is a very special player but Tkachuk is just in another league. i'd take him before Matthews and maybe even McDavid. The guy is definitely worth more then Mariner to any Gm in the nhl. Maybe exepct uncle Lou.


22.) 10 Mar 2017 02:50:53
Shankar just can't accept the fact that he's a Niagara that might wanna stick with basket and let the big boys talk.


23.) 10 Mar 2017 04:09:41
lol didn't think tkatchuk had so much value.


24.) 10 Mar 2017 06:09:23
This is why I hate talking to leaf fans. I am sure there are lots of reasonable fans out there but the ones on here are pretty bias. I give up. You can value Marner greater than McDavid if you want (and you probably will) and say stats that work against your arguement are meaningless. Have fun and please stick to being one of the fools that calls into radio stations that has no clue what they are talking about. Hey fun fact Aho has more goals than Marner (is he the next Gretzky? ) Aho > Marner because goals over everything.


25.) 10 Mar 2017 08:15:04
Yeah, goals alone are now everything, that's exactly what I said. Good for you resorting to personal insults, too. Doing that is basically admitting you've lost an argument. It's childish, it really is.


26.) 10 Mar 2017 12:14:31
Yeo, this was actually funny.

All we said was that points are probably the most important statistic in the game. And they are. Cause if a player has a +15, 150 hits and 7 points, is he great? No. We never said 'goals' were the most important. We said points are most important.


And if you've watched Marner, you'd understand where most leaf fans are coming from. He has a Patrick Kane streak in him, and he already has 53 points in his rookie season. Yeah Tkachuk can hit, but he just isn't as good of a player as Marner is skill-wise.

And we aren't that stupid. We know that Mcdavid is the future best player in the world, and we know what Marner, Matthews, Nylander and the other leafs are worth. In some ways, our evaluations of players right now are good.


27.) 10 Mar 2017 13:33:27
Look what you did Pinball.


28.) 10 Mar 2017 17:16:47
That's a lot of responses lol

My 2 cents, marner is more valuable. Tkachuk is a really good player and brings a lot to the table, every team wants and needs those guys. But as has been said on here a million times, marner runs a line, he's a game changer. And has a higher ceiling.

Easiest comparison I can make here that might actually show proof this summer without interpretation is Colorado is shopping landeskog and duchene (2nd and 3rd overall) marner and tkachuk were 4th and 6th overall. Landeskog brings grit, hits more, hits harder, plays an all round game, leads by example, plays the right way. A lot of the things tkachuk does that are hard to measure. Duchene scores more, skates faster. Has the ability to play centre or Wing and has a higher end skill set and ceiling.

Do you think the asking price/ offers are the same on those 2 players? Do you think Sakic expects the same return (reportedly Young NHL Dman, 2 top prospects and a first rounder) for landeskog as for duchene? I don't think so but time might tell.


29.) 10 Mar 2017 17:58:24
Okay Pinball - Leivo will never be a 25 goal or 50-60 point guy. He is 23 and probably at his peak of development right around now, but his career high in goals in any season dating back to junior is 32 (in the OHL) . Nielsen is an alright d prospect, but I'd much rather have Kylington and Andersson on the flames over him.

Nylander and Tkatchuk hold relatively similar offensive upside, but in regards to play style and attitude most teams would take chucky in a heartbeat because teams hate to play against them.

You don't just trade an 18-19 year old player with Tkatchuk's skill and promise, and he's on a 50+ point pace.

Rant over, but I'm tired of hearing about Leivo, Sosh, and other meh players being 25-30 goal and 60 point players.


30.) 10 Mar 2017 18:57:59
VB your assessment is a bit off.

Ktchuck and Marner are very close in value. Yes marner is speedy little winger with a little more skill but Tkachuk is a natural power forward that gets into the dirty areas to score goals. Which is a very valuable asset to have during the playoffs. To early to tell on this one Bra.


31.) 10 Mar 2017 20:38:21
Did mcj habs really just say he's take tkachuk over Matthews or mcdavid?!?! That's a troll job too I hope.


32.) 10 Mar 2017 21:07:13
Imo marner will be better then patty Kane the best power forward in the NHL is no where near Kane's value his potential is probably around Blake Wheeler.


33.) 11 Mar 2017 04:04:42
Why would either team do the trade? Nylander wouldn't be as successful in the West just because of his style of play. You don't just go trading players that young unless you are Peter Charelli. Pinball stop this nonsense now.


34.) 11 Mar 2017 07:34:18
So I skimmed through this post again and saw this, which I apparently missed the first time:

"Shankar just can't accept the fact that he's a Niagara that might wanna stick with basket and let the big boys talk. "

Would you mind repeating that in English?


35.) 11 Mar 2017 17:33:30
I disagree with you on the Patrick Kane assesment. That's a pretty bold statement.


36.) 11 Mar 2017 20:41:56
Shankar. sounds like a racist comment if I ever heard one.


37.) 28 Mar 2017 12:03:57
This is terrible. Everything about these players should be who you want to build your team with. If you need points you take Marner, someone who can drive the play and put the puck in the net. Leafs have their role players on the team. If you have your scoring say, with a Monahan and Gaudreau it would be very beneficial to have a strong role player in Tkachuk. Now, intangibles matter in the game of hockey, anyone would be foolish to claim they don't. But in the role both these players were given as teenagers in their first years in the NHL both are playing up to and surpassing their expectations. To compare them is foolish as you wouldn't compare Crosby to Ryan O'Reilly. While both are great player, elite levels, they play different roles on their teams. Crosby is hard to play against based on supreme skill while O'Reilly is hard to play against based on grit, hitting, size etc. Both are very competent in their roles much like Tkachuk and Marner.


 

 

08 Mar 2017 14:17:46
2 Trade Proposals.

Columbus Trades
Jenner

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
2nd Round Pick 2018

With Columbus solid at LW with Saad, NFoligno and Hartnell but weak at RW and the Leafs the opposite this trade makes sense for both Teams.


Edmonton Trades
Nurse

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Soshnikov
ANielsen (AHL)

With GReinhart on the bubble its time to see what he has at the NHL Level, getting Leivo and Soshnikov gives Edmonton more depth in the bottom 6 and ANielsen looks like an NHL DMan in the future.
The Leafs add a very good young DMan to go with Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev.

These are both off summer trades of course.

Thoughts ?

Pinball

1.) 08 Mar 2017 15:33:40
Hahaha! I knew it was pinball when I seen the first trade.
Why on earth would CLB and EDM do this? Not a chance. Those two players are important to their teams right now. Zero need to trade them for younger less established players. Just brutal.


2.) 08 Mar 2017 15:44:04
Huge no from both Columbus and Edmonton. Thoughts are the same, you're still an idiot.


3.) 08 Mar 2017 15:54:40
I think he means Caitlyn Jenner.


4.) 08 Mar 2017 18:58:13
Terrible for Edmonton.


5.) 08 Mar 2017 22:45:46
Brutal trade for Nurse.


 

 

03 Mar 2017 15:21:30
Summer Trade.

Colorado Trades
Landeskog
3rd Round Pick 2018

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Leivo
Soshnikov
2nd Round Pick 2018

Thoughts ?

Pinball

1.) 03 Mar 2017 17:22:41
Omg man like stop plz. On what planet does that help Colorado.


2.) 03 Mar 2017 17:47:33
Well let's see McJesus Christ.
Connor Brown will be a 25 goal to 50 plus points a year player, Leivo has improved his skating and could always score so another 25 goal plus player, and Soshnikov is a little spark plug, Landeskog will never out score all 3 so its not how you invision these players whatsoever, Landeskog isn't even better then JVR he is a very good player but not a star player but he fits what the Leafs need.


3.) 03 Mar 2017 18:08:57
If you think both Leivo and Brown will be 25+ goal players you are crazy.


4.) 03 Mar 2017 19:49:10
If leivo and brown played in the 80's, they might be 25 goal players.


5.) 03 Mar 2017 19:57:04
Haha I agree, sorry pinball mate, lievo won't be a 25+ goalscorer, I wouldn't be surprised for him to score 20 a couple times but i don't see him doing it consistantly.


6.) 03 Mar 2017 20:52:34
@Pinhead

If that were the case (Brown and Leivo being 25+ goals scorers) why would Toronto trade 2 young 25 goal scorers for an older player who is a fringe 20 goal scorer? This is just stupid. Brown will be a 15-20 goal scorer maybe, Leivo i doubt will be an impact player in the NHL, Soshnikov is a great energy 3rd line player but nothing extravagant.

Classic brutal proposals from pinhead herself.


7.) 03 Mar 2017 21:57:24
Yeah pinball thanks for proving my point why this is awful.
Andd it's funny because Colorado wants a dman and you didn't even put one.


8.) 03 Mar 2017 22:23:55
I think Stammer nailed it.


9.) 04 Mar 2017 02:49:15
You make it sound like any young player with a bit of upside is a 25+ goal scorer. How many 30 goal men are in the NHL every season?! 15 guys a year maybe get over 30 goals and you think the leafs, 10 months removed from a 30th place finish just have them to spare lol Get a grip. Terrible offer (value and needs wise) and even worse explation. You offered 3 hard working, secondary scoring forwards for one good established player who is only being dangled for young D help.


10.) 04 Mar 2017 12:03:25
Not any good ones.


11.) 04 Mar 2017 15:02:00
Boys this is a bad trade brown won't be anything special sosh 4 th line guy but Leivo is like stone in ott gunna be a very underrated player that can play hard and score unfortunately I don't think it will be in Toronto.


12.) 04 Mar 2017 18:02:38
I think Brown is underrated but not saying he will be a 25 goal scorer but maybe a consitant 20 goal scorer with 2-3 years with 25. Colorado would not do this tho.


 

 

28 Feb 2017 12:50:19
Buffalo Trades
Franson

Toronto Trades
Polak

Both are UFAs after this season but Franson has always played well paired with Gardiner.
Buffalo can still trade away Polak for draft picks.

Thoughts ?

Pinball

1.) 28 Feb 2017 14:34:45
Ok so most disagree so let me tweek it some.

Buffalo Trades
Franson
3rd Round Pick 2017

Toronto Trades
Polak
2nd Round Pick 2018

Sabres exchange a 3rd Round Pick in a weak draft year for a 2nd Round Pick in 2018.

Thoughts?

By the way people weather this is the trade for Franson I do believe the Leafs will trade for him by Wednesday.


2.) 28 Feb 2017 16:31:11
That's better pinhead now everybody disagrees!


3.) 28 Feb 2017 17:24:09
I think it's not bad pinball! But I think because Toronto might not make playoffs they should just trade Polak for a pick like last season.


 

 

27 Feb 2017 12:20:15
Detroit Trades
Vanek
Ott
MGreen

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Soshnikov
Polak
2nd Round Pick 2018

Detroit starts there rebuild with this Trade.

Toronto doesn't give up any top prospects or 1st Round Picks in this Trade and gives them a great shot at making the playoffs a good deal
without hurting there future.

Thoughts ?

Pinball

1.) 27 Feb 2017 12:51:10
Not enough! Look what Hanzel got. You will have to add 2 first round picks.


2.) 27 Feb 2017 13:11:17
If the Leafs have to add two 1st Round Picks VanCity then the Leafs are out, I get what you are saying and comparing the Hanzel trade, this is a different structure trade then that one but trading 2 33yr old UFAs for 2 23yr olds that fit into what they have makes sense to me, MGreen is the key to this trade for Toronto even though its only for the rest of this season and next.


3.) 27 Feb 2017 14:42:26
I will tweek my Trade Proposal some to make it happen, I will add Draft Picks from both Teams and change one Leaf Player so my revised Trade is.

Detroit Trades
Vanek
Ott
MGreen
3rd Round Pick 2017 (Chicago's Pick)

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Soshnikov
CCarrick
2nd Round Pick 2017
2nd Round Pick 2018

I believe that's more then enough to get this proposal done.

Thoughts?


4.) 27 Feb 2017 16:08:55
Leivo and Sosh don't carry a lot of value. They don't have high ceilings at all. Stop trying to trade them for older players. Neither team accepts this trade I would say.


 

 

 

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08 Sep 2016 19:24:07
Wild Trade
Neiderreiter
Dumba

Leafs Trade
JVR
Holland
Greening
Corrado

Toronto also retains $1,500.000 of JVRs Salary for the next 2 Seasons for Cap Reasons.

Thoughts?

Pinball

 

 

15 Jun 2016 13:26:27
Besides the obvious of Matthews, Zaitsev (already signed) as well as WNylander, Hyman, Connor Brown, Soshnikov and CCarrick all in the mix for the Leafs Roster next season I will propose 2 UFAs and 2 Trades the Leafs should go after.

UFAs.

Stamkos and Vesey


Trades.

Girardi - Lupul, Corrado (Rangers)

Fleury - Komarov, Sparks, 2nd Round Pick 2017 (Pittsburgh)


All 4 to me are very possible and would still stick to the rebuild the Leafs are doing but would help in the progress of building a Championship Team in the future.


Thoughts?

Pinball

1.) 15 Jun 2016 14:49:49
I don't think we have Pittsburgh's second round pick?


2.) 15 Jun 2016 14:58:06
Nah you do you got it in the winnik trade last year.


3.) 15 Jun 2016 16:32:34
No. Toronto doesn't have Pitsburgh 2017 2nd. Bud is right.


4.) 15 Jun 2016 19:29:29
Oh true, forgot the pens re aquiered the pick in the kessel trade.


5.) 15 Jun 2016 20:51:28
Same old junk from the same old Pinball.


6.) 15 Jun 2016 21:29:50
Who cares who has who's pick. That's a no from Penguins and a no from the Rangers.


7.) 15 Jun 2016 22:46:01
@yup tbh I'd say yes from Rangers, that's a same salary player but instead the Rangers would get rid of the guy with more term. So really, I'd sya no from Toronto, don't need Dan Girardi.


8.) 15 Jun 2016 23:55:41
And the Rangers don't need Lupus.
Easy no.


9.) 16 Jun 2016 08:15:49
No one needs Lupus, yup. Terrible disease. :P.


 

 

26 Jan 2016 14:25:55
Blues Trade
Berglund
Rattie
Shattenkirk
Bortuzzo
Elliott

Leafs Trade
JvanRiemsdyk
Boyes
Gardiner
Polak
Reimer

Thoughts?

Pinball

1.) 26 Jan 2016 18:42:48
salary cap?


2.) 26 Jan 2016 18:43:31
also pretty much no reason for st louis to make this trade, not much of any of that helps them win now.


3.) 26 Jan 2016 19:58:25
Terrible for Toronto IMO no player there will impact there rebuild as much as JVR or Gardiner.


4.) 26 Jan 2016 22:53:07
Do you really think that St. Louis would ever consider that?


5.) 27 Jan 2016 01:43:31
@meatball up there, Shattenkirk is far better than Gardiner I'd think he'd help the rebuild more.


6.) 27 Jan 2016 02:07:39
Terrible for STL! Leafs would take this and run.


7.) 27 Jan 2016 02:56:26
Why don't the team's just trade cities? Move all of Toronto to STL and vice versa.


8.) 27 Jan 2016 18:08:08
best trade toronto will ever make.


9.) 27 Jan 2016 20:07:58
I didn't notice Shatts in there but isn't he like 28 he'll be 32 when they make the playoffs.


 

 

09 Jul 2015 13:18:25
Chicago Trades
Sharp
Versteeg

Toronto Trades
Spaling
Frattin
Percy

Clears the Cap Space needed for the Hawks and doesn't affect the Leafs rebuild and makes them a better Team this upcoming Season.

Thoughts?

Pinball

1.) 09 Jul 2015 16:30:21
Makes zero sense for Toronto.

Sharp is not going to help Toronto and Versteeg is hardly a consolation prize for taking on his salary.


2.) 09 Jul 2015 18:14:00
You never cease too impress


3.) 09 Jul 2015 18:35:48
In what way does that hurt Toronto @THEGR81 even though they need to dump money, Sharp isn't a cap dump.


4.) 09 Jul 2015 19:17:08
"And it makes Toronto a better team next season" That hurts the god damn rebuild idiot. Think! God!


5.) 09 Jul 2015 20:41:35
Ohhh right Leafs are tankers.


6.) 10 Jul 2015 01:37:33
Call the leafs tankers when they have multiple 1st overalls in their lineup. Just wondering why nobody on this site said anything about the Sabres? They even traded their goalies away to lock up a spot. The leafs finished just outside the playoffs all those years the oilers finished last. Apparently they aren't as good as tanking as other teams.


7.) 10 Jul 2015 02:02:24
Any way those 3 leaf player are total scrap they could just get you versteeg


8.) 10 Jul 2015 02:48:46
The Leafs are rebuilding. Taking on Sharp may make them a better team in certain ways, but that's not what their focus is.

And it has nothing to do with tanking.


9.) 10 Jul 2015 15:23:50
Well IF they had the chance to rob Chicago of Sharp they would despite wanting to finish last.


10.) 10 Jul 2015 18:53:42
@Leafs17
Difference between leafs and Sabres is that the Sabres were in the basement from day one. Leafs were in playoff contention in December and decided (for some peculiar reason) to fire their coach and hand the reigns over to an incompetent and just let that whole thing play out without ever attempting to right the ship.


11.) 10 Jul 2015 19:32:52
Did I strike a nerve chirp? We listened to you cry for 3 months that the leafs were tanking. My point was that a team as bad as the oilers have been for years. As many 1st overalls they got. Is it at all possible that the oilers may have had a plan? Or is it just the leafs. I've fought enough about this topic with you over the months. Bottom line is an oiler fan has no room to speak.


12.) 10 Jul 2015 22:34:10
To me that just show the desperation of a city that did not win over 50 year! Loser attitude is for loser!
Winner attitude is for winner that why great organisation have sucess


13.) 10 Jul 2015 23:40:40
So a 1st overall pick automatically means a team is going to excel? Patrik Stefan worked out pretty well, huh? And Rick DiPietro? Also, the clear incompetence of KLowe and MacT did more damage than good to the Oilers, you can't deny that. But for as bad as they are and have been, did they ever take a tumble down the standings the way the leafs did this past half-season? Has any team in recent memory? I just can't wrap my head around how you can point a finger at Buffalo and then flat-out deny that the leafs did anything like that. Whatever, it's not like you're the only leafs fan that acts like that so what else should I expect, right?

Btw, if you want me to stop "crying" about FACTS, then stop bringing the subject up and then crying when I set you straight. You whine about Buffalo and I'll hold a mirror up to you ever time.


14.) 11 Jul 2015 13:11:56
chirp, you had to go back 15 years to stefan and dipietro drafts. scouting has vastly improved. first overalls should make their team better, a lot better, sooner than later.

crosby, ovechkin, stammer, tavares, kane. all have vastly improved their teams. all of those teams are playoff teams, 2 have a cup. not to mention the multiple cup finals appearances,

then you have the oil picking 3 in a row and now mcjesus.

now don't get me wrong I love my oil, but god it looks bad when they pick 4 first overalls and still might not be in the playoffs. every time they won the lottery it just seemed so rigged to me, nhl execs tongue in cheek announcing the oilers have won again with a smirk on their face.

and no its not because the leafs lost the lottery, most of those years they finished high out of the lottery and playoffs, or had traded the pick away.

the leafs were getting ripped apart last season by the media even when they were winning and in a playoff spot, because they were playing such a flawed system that relied on them scoring 4 goals a night on 20 shots, while giving up 3 goals on 50 shots and expecting bernier to stand on his head nightly. the train was bound to fall of the tracks, and when it did it was ugly.

i watched all those games, its not like they were trying to lose, they just couldn't put together a 60 minute game.


15.) 11 Jul 2015 17:12:37
I really don't want to get into again with you but I didn't bring it up. I was replying to another oiler fan when you stepped in to set me straight. If you've ever watched the leafs, free falls from the standings are common. A few years back they went from the top of the east to missing the playoffs in like 2 months. Unfortunately, I keep watching. Let's get back to hockey talk.


16.) 11 Jul 2015 20:50:31
Ovie, you did not just say that the draft lottery is rigged, did you? Good god, please don't start in with paranoia and conspiracy, it's not rigged. I watched the McDavid draft lottery draw and Bettman wouldn't make a move without the camera on him. Not to mention that it was overseen by 7 teams GMs as well as several other non-partisan witnesses. Oilers just beat the odds.

And my point with Stefan and DiPietro was that pedigree shifts from draft to draft. Oilers have loaded up their front lines while their major weak points (defense and goaltending) were ones they couldn't address with draft choices because a top Dman was not in the cards for the years when they had the top pick. Murray would have been a better choice over Yakupov (though he hasn't exactly excelled due to numerous injuries) but Yak was Katz's call when everyone was telling him they should take Murray. That's on Katz for sticking his nose where he shouldn't. Now, the Oilers have drafted Nurse and he could potentially be a difference maker on that team but they've chosen not to rush him. What if the Oilers had first overall in the 2014 rather than the Yakupov draft? They'd be missing out on Draisaitl (another forward, albeit a potentially great one) but would have Aaron Ekblad. Ekblad is a difference maker. With Ekblad, there's a good chance the Oilers don't get McDavid because their defense would have been that much stronger.

I don't feel like typing more, but look at what the oilers had available at 1st in comparison to other drafts. Hall was/is great. RNH is decent, leaning towards good, but not exactly a 6'4" speedy C like Corey Perry, is he? Yakupov is having his troubles. Is that the Oilers fault? No, it's just the strength of the draft class and overall consensus of who should be selected first overall. Mcdavid is another story. What if that was the only 1st overall pick a team got a la Pittsburgh? Difference maker? Absolutely. And he'll be a difference maker in Edmonton too. Nurse at 7th and Draisaitl at 3rd to go along with McDavid and that alone is a better team due to player skill set and position. Toss in the fact that Edmonton had tons of trouble getting players to come to Alberta, and the fact that the KLowe/MacT tandem were awful for this franchise (there is a great article I read about just how bad MacT's ability to read defensemen was. It's staggering) and exactly how is Edmonton supposed to succeed?


17.) 13 Jul 2015 23:02:23
i didn't say it was rigged, I just felt like it it was. the oilers seem to beat the odds, alot, except when it comes to winning games. 4 first overall picks should make any team a contender, and not a joke. regardless of strength of draft year.

you can blame management all you want. who am I to argue? what do you think leaf fans have done since harold ballard?


 

 

30 Sep 2014 17:58:30
Tomas Kaberle has been cut by the Devils
How about the Leafs picking him up?

Thoughts?

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1.) No. I think he's done. and if he isn't, he may only be slightly better than what the Leafs have now, and developing those assets is more important long term.


2.) 01 Oct 2014 02:04:09
why do you want the leafs to sign/trade for all these players lol.

i get its for the 7h defenseman spot but i'd just as soon give it to holzer who deserves at least a shot to show what he can do. he won't be anything special, but maybe he proves himself as a servicable 3rd pair guy.


 

 

 

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09 Mar 2017 15:35:50
Leafs are not trading Marner #Fair Trade4all.
I proposed a very fair trade, WNylander will fit in nice with Gaudreau and Monahan, Leivo playing every game on a line with MBacklund and Frolik will in my guess be in the 25 goal and 50 to 60 point range, and ANielsen is a very good Prospect and Calgary needs DMan prospects.
The Leafs are at a stage where they can make a 3 for 1 deal like this.
Tkachuk is what they need and Kapanen will take WNylander's spot playing with Komarov and Kadri, its a good trade for both teams.

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03 Mar 2017 17:47:33
Well let's see McJesus Christ.
Connor Brown will be a 25 goal to 50 plus points a year player, Leivo has improved his skating and could always score so another 25 goal plus player, and Soshnikov is a little spark plug, Landeskog will never out score all 3 so its not how you invision these players whatsoever, Landeskog isn't even better then JVR he is a very good player but not a star player but he fits what the Leafs need.

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28 Feb 2017 14:34:45
Ok so most disagree so let me tweek it some.

Buffalo Trades
Franson
3rd Round Pick 2017

Toronto Trades
Polak
2nd Round Pick 2018

Sabres exchange a 3rd Round Pick in a weak draft year for a 2nd Round Pick in 2018.

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By the way people weather this is the trade for Franson I do believe the Leafs will trade for him by Wednesday.

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27 Feb 2017 14:42:26
I will tweek my Trade Proposal some to make it happen, I will add Draft Picks from both Teams and change one Leaf Player so my revised Trade is.

Detroit Trades
Vanek
Ott
MGreen
3rd Round Pick 2017 (Chicago's Pick)

Toronto Trades
Leivo
Soshnikov
CCarrick
2nd Round Pick 2017
2nd Round Pick 2018

I believe that's more then enough to get this proposal done.

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27 Feb 2017 13:11:17
If the Leafs have to add two 1st Round Picks VanCity then the Leafs are out, I get what you are saying and comparing the Hanzel trade, this is a different structure trade then that one but trading 2 33yr old UFAs for 2 23yr olds that fit into what they have makes sense to me, MGreen is the key to this trade for Toronto even though its only for the rest of this season and next.

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